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PHONY DIARRHEA, GENUINE BULL

 
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PHONY DIARRHEA, GENUINE BULL
for some reason the system is not letting me [post this as a response on my other threads and so will try it as a free standing thread to at least get it on the system.


In this post/thread, I'll take a detaled look at the Borman cislunar illness SCAM. I would imagine anyone withour prior knowledge of these events will walk away from their reading of this account utterly convinced of Apollo's fraudulence, after all, facts are facts are FACTS........

Let's begin with a baker's dozen and three UNDISPUTED FACTS. These FACTS were presented to the public by our media, not to mention by NASA spokespersons as well. When I make reference to media reports,in I mean not only reports as presented on TV, in mags and newspapers, but reports as conveyed in book and video publications/accounts as well. In this post, I'll first present some FACTS, then present some rhetorical questions which emphasize the inconsistency and internal incoherency of the NASA yawn, erh, I mean yarn. Finally, I'll present my take on the FACTS, give my own accounting for NASAs incoherent story, say why it is that the story is so very internally incoherent, and in so doing, i shall make sense of it all. Ultimatley, the only conclusion one may draw is that Apollo was/is fraudulent.
If a reader or two differs, I invite you to give your own accounting of the FACTS as presented. I am sure we can all agree the facts as presented below are indeed correct/accurate. If you have a problem with one of them, please say which of the 16 facts you have a problem with, and why such is the case.

THE FACTS AS REGARDS THE BORMAN CISLUNAR DIARRHEAL ILLNESS EPISODE

1) An INFLUENZA pandemic created great problems for the world's public health care systems of the time, 1968/1969. The Hong Hong Flu took a million lives worldwide and 30,000 give or take, in the U.S. alone . Millions more were rendered ill to the point of complete incapacitation before they were fortunate enough to recover.

2) NASA alleges all 3 Apollo 8 astronauts, Borman, Lovell and Anders, were vaccinated in the late fall of 1968.

3) INFLUENZA vaccines, including that for the Hong Kong Flu of 1968/1969, are not 100% effective/efficaious. As it turned out, the Hong Kong Flu vaccine of 1968 was disappointingly ineffective. Assuming the Apollo 8 astronauts were indeed vaccinated, the vaccine's efficacy/effectiveness would have been no better than 80%, and that figure is VERY GENEROUS, this, given what was learned in the wake of the epidemic as regards the vaccine's performance.

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4) Frank Borman became ill "in space" beginning roughly 18 hours after the launch of Apollo 8. His illness was characterized by himself and NASA physicians including lead doc, Charles Berry, as one in which he experienced chills, malaise, nausea associated with vomiting, and diarrhea. The vomitus and liquid feces floated about the zero G cabin and was ultimately cleaned up by Lovell and Anders using paper towells. (A detailed presentation of the illness and associated events can be found in Andrew Chaikin's book, A MAN ON THE MOON, a work considered by most, including NASA personnel, the astronauts themselves, as the very best popular account of the moon landing project generally, not to mention the very best accout as regards the details of the Apollo mission events.

5) In the real-time world of the last week of December 1968, the NASA flight surgeons/physicians stated it was their view that Borman's illness was due to viral gastroenteritis. Most lay persons would refer to this as "stomach flu". This is a very different illness from INFLUENZA, much less serious, though it would present a very significant problem nonetheless. Because Borman was viewed as having viral gastroenteritis, it was if not assumed such would be the case, then viewed at least as very very possible, that the other 2 astronauts would become sick as well, "stomach flu" viruses being so very contagious

6) Prior to becoming ill, given alleged bothersome insomnia, Astronaut Borman took a seconal pill/capsule his first "night in space" . Side effect wise, seconal would be a medication that may well cause a problem with nausea, and if nauseated enough, an individual might vomit in consequence. That said, seconal use would not be associated with diarrhea .

7) In the post flight medical report, lead physician Charles Berry reported all the vomitus AND diarrhea was captured/caught in the plastic bags the astronauts used for defecation. This dirrectly contradicts the story as reported in the newspapers and magazines of the time, real-time reports. It also contradicts the story as told by authors such as Chaikin in his MAN ON THE MOON book. Keep in mind Chaikin interviewed all of the principals, and then some, before writing their detailed accounts of exactly what happened up there in space. Newsmen/newswomen of the day, Andrew Chaikin , and others, all reported the vomitus and diarrhea floated about the cabin. The only report made anywhere of ALL the vomitus and diarrhea being captured in the fecal collection bags is that of physician Charles Berry. No one else makes such a claim.

8) Liquid of ANY KIND, floating about a hypothetical Apollo command module poses a significant threat. In James Irwin's account of his experience aboard Apollo 15 , the astronaut reported there was great anxiety when a water leak was discovered, this, because the water could get into the electronic works and short something out, the computer say. If the water leaking into the




9) Water floating about a zero G cabin was problem enough, vomitus and diarrhea posed a duel threat; first of all, just like water, vomitus and diarrhea would have posed a major threat to the electronic systems of the ship as emphasized by James Irwin in his discussion of the Apollo 15 water leak problem, and then additionally, vomitus and diarrhea carried chemicals(e.g. acid) , not to mention pathogens(viruses, bacteria, and so forth) that posed a risk to the astronauts' biologic systems. Water/vomitus/loose diarrheal stool floating about in a ZERO G cabin's "atmosphere" would constitute an unbelievable health risk. The inhalation of low pH/acidic material, enteric BACTERIA, viruses such as INFLUENZA, could wipe a crew out in short order, and simply could not/would not be tolerated. Here's a REAL astronaut addressing the issue of the risk posed by poop in space. In space, there is zero tolerance for poop in one's zero G cabin.

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10) Any person, whether a man actually traversing cislunar space in a ship, or a kindergarten teacher, were he or she to complain of chills, malaise, nausea, vomiting, diarrhea, a physician that was charged with helping said individual would gernerate a list, or a "differential" as doctors call them, of possible explanations for the problem. This is actually a simple and staright forward matter, the list generation issue is. I do not mean to imply it was a simple matter in that the risk, the threat, was not significant. So the problem is not "simple" in the sense that the individual might not become very ill, or be very ill to begin with, but simple as regards the fact that acute diarrhea, with or without vomiting, is a common problem, something dealt with many times a day by many doctors, interns, medical students, nurses. Its general UNDERSTANDING is not complicated. As it turns out, there are not many common problems that are associated with both vomiting and diarrhea. One is garden variety staphlococcal bacteria food poisoning. Other things doctors would and do consider when an individual reports chills, malaise, nausea/vomiting/diarrhea, are bacterial enteritis such as that caused by salmonella, toxin based diarrhea such as that which occurs with a bacteria called C. difficile, a serious viral infection such as that caused by INFLUENZA during a period of an epidemic or during the right season as was indeed the case here, a medication effect problem, or space adaptation syndrome. The latter mentioned problem there is "motion sickness" space men get. It is just like car sickness, but a spaceship variety. At that time, 1968/1969, people did not know what exactly the symptoms were for space adaptation syndrome since it was all new. As a matter of fact, prior to the Borman illness, no US astronaut had gotten sick in space. As it turns out, diarrhea is not generally speaking a feature of space adaptation syndrome, so that cannot be the explanation for Borman's "illness". Hoiwever, this was not known in 1968/1969, so it may initially have been a consideration.

11) As Borman seemed to "recover" quickly from whatever made him ill, the NASA doctors responsible for the Apollo 8 astronauts felt viral gastroenteritis/stomach flu was more likely than not responsible. The newspapers of the times reported that should viral gastroenteritis prove to be responsible, the other two astronauts , Lovell and Aders, were at risk. Some papers reported it was even LIKELY the other two astronauts would get ill as well. This, as the virus is highly contagious, and given the close quarter, they would have ben a set up .

12) No effort was made to examine the food supply, to check for food poisoning on board the Apollo 8 ship, or back in the states. The ship was not cultured for virus/bacteria. The astronauts were not cultured for virus/bacteria on there return.

13) Upon "returning to the Earth", Borman wrote in a January 17 1969 LIFE magazine article that he had gotten ill in space, became nauseated and was vomiting. He wrote as it was his suspicion that the seconal sleeping medication was what made him sick to begin with, he decided to take seconal, half a tab/cap a second time. In so doing, he could prove his own hypothesis that seconal was responsible for his illness to begin with. Borman reasoned, if the seconal did it once, it would do it again. Borman claimed he indeed did get ill, not as severely, but felt poorly nevertheless, after taking the second and smaller dose of seconal. As such, Borman felt confident that it was the seconal which was responsible for his first and more troublesome bout of symptoms.

14) Samuel Phillips was the Air Force General who served as the chief administrator for the USAF Minuteman ICBM program. Under his direction, the US developed its land based nuclear deterrant, the famous Minuteman arsenal. Subsequent to his directing the Minuteman program, Phillips went on to become the director of the Apollo program. Samuel Phillips is not, was not, a physicain. He was a military man, one specializing in the administration of programs working to devebunnyplex missile/rocket based systems. In the May 1969 National Geographic Magazine, Phillips wrote about Borman's illness in his article, an article that addressed the Apollo 8 mission generally. Phillips wrote that in the real time world of the Apollo 8 mission, they had been worried about the possibility of Borman's having acquired INFLUENZA given his symptoms. However, they then quickly realized that Borman was safe, at least as far as the INFLUENZA risk went, this, because the astronauts had all been vaccinated. Phillip's point was that because Borman was vaccinated, he was not at risk for acquiring the Hong Kong flu, his vaccination guranteeing his immunity to said viral pathogen. INFLUENZA vaccination never has been 100% effective/efficaious. This was well known in 1969, as it is today. Were the astronauts vaccinated, they would nevertheless have still been vulnerable, though perhaps less so if the vaccine did successfully produce an antibody response.

15) Though there may be one such case/example, I have never seen one. In essentially all public events where Borman himself discusses what happened during the flight of Apollo 8, HE DOES NOT SPEAK OF THE DIARRHEA. THE VOMITING, YES, THE DIARRHEA, NEVER.

16) As mentioned at the outset, Michael Collins wrote in his book, CARRYING THE FIRE, that Borman's problem/illness was due to space adaptation syndrome/space based motion sickness. Collins wrote of Bormans nausea and vomiting, but not his diarrhea.

Before I give my own account of how one makes sense of these points, these FACTS, please note that is what they are. They are FACTS. Nothiong here is in dispute. FACTS 1 through 16 say nothing about the reality of Apollo , or the lack of Apollonian reality. Granted, this strange collection of FACTS is indeed open to myriad interpretation, though I would and will argue, that my interpretation fits the FACTS the best, makes the best sense. I challenge others to submit an alternative version/interpretation. If a reader has a problem with one of my FACTS, please share with the group exactly why you feel the FACT was reported inaccurately.

Now to move on with some rhetorical point/questions. There are "problems" with these FACTS, problems that drive the thoughtful open minded reader inexorably to the conclusion that Apoll is fraudulent.
Consider the following points;
A) Why is Samuel Phillips writing in the May 1969 National Geographic article that Borman could not possibly have had INFLUENZA given the fact that the astronauts were vaccinated? That is simply not true. Any real physician, any first year intern, could tell Phillips that. Who is advising Phillips? Phillips is not a physician, and if he were, he would know that vaccinating someone by no means guarantees immunity. As a matter of fact, the men that would have advised Phillips as regards this matter, Charles Berry and the other NASA physicians, they themselves were making public proclamations that the astronauts had been vaccinated and were therefore immune. As such, one cannot claim that Phillips was simply mistaken, that he simply thought the astronauts were immune based on his lay understanding of a vaccination's efficacy. It was not just Phillips, but the NASA physicians as well, that were claiming the astronuats could not have acquired INFLUENZA by virue of their havding been vaccinated. INFLUENZA vaccines are far from 100% efficacious/evffective. As it turned out , the Hong Kong Flu vaccine was not very effective. But that fact aside, as it would not have been known for a while, not known until well after May of 1969, were astronauts to actually have become ill in space in December of 1968 with chills/malaise/nause/diarrhea, vaccination status notwithstanding, given that plenty of people acquire INFLUENZA AND DIE IN CONSEQUENCE DESPITE BEING VACCINATED, a real physician, genuinely concerned for the lives of his charges, in this case astronauts, would immediately think, "THIS HONG KONG FLU PANDEMIC SITUATION WORRIES ME, COULD THIS BE INFLUENZA?????? IF BORMAN HAS INFLUENZA, ANDERS AND LOVELL ARE SURE TO BECOME ILL GIVEN THE ENVIRONMENT THERE. HOW DO WE FIGURE THIS OUT? "
B) Given Borman allegedly had problems with both vomiting AND diarrhea, and given the FACT that food poisoning notoriously causes nausea/vomiting/diarrhea together, why did they not have the astronauts check their food supply, examine it, study it, ditto for the water supply, ditto for the food and water supply from which the astronauts ate and drank prior to "taking off"?
C) Why weren't the ship's surfaces cultured to look for virus and or bacteria?
D) Why wasn't Borman's stool cultured to look for salmonell for example?
E) Charles Berry, the head NASA physician, knew it was true that as the story was originally related to the public, vomitus and diarrhea floated freely about the command module cabin of Apoollo 8. Why did he write in the Apollo 8 medical report that that was not the case? He wrote all of the vomitus and ALL of the diarrheal stool was "caught" in fecal bags?
F) Why is Borman taking Seconal a second time if it made him sick to begin with? No physician would permit that. If a genuine ALLERGIC problem as opposed to a SIDE EFFECT problem was responsible for the syptoms initially, Borman could esily die in minutes with his second ingestion of seconal. And even if it was a seconal side effect issue, no one in their right mind would try to make himself/herself ill under such circumstances. No physician would permit that. This is utterly unbelievable and is proof of Apollo's fraudulence in and of itself.
G) On returning to earth, given the uncertainites and what would be at stake moving forward, why didn't NASA work diligently to prove to itself that Borman really did acquire viral gastroenteritis? there is so much at stake with respect to future flights. What if it is the food or water supply that is the problem? What about Apollo 9? !0? 11? What if Borman swallowed a piece of Lovell's poop and so got ill in consequence to begin with? How do they know such was not the case? Well the answer is that they know because Apollo is 10 plus fake and is all made up. But what if it was real? Were this real, environmental people would have been looking at that and a real toilet would have been installed. WAY FAKE, the plastic bags as a toilet thing , WAY FAKE. The claim was made that other persons in the Cape area were ill with viral enteritis and Borman presumably acquired it from them. But if that was the case, why didn't the other astronauts get sick in space? Surely they would have acquired it from Borman, or would have been at super high risk to have done so, no? Why aren't the doctors telling the astronauts to wash their hands? If Borman has viral gastroenteritis, Lovell and Anders are at risk. So where are the precautions? WAY FAKE! A joke, nothing less.

There really is only ONE explanation for all of this nonsense. Apollo was/is fraudulent. In an effort to try and make the narrative, the story, more detailed, nuanced, and therefore believable, they injected these anecdotes into the mission tales: Borman's cislunar illness, the wild girations of Apollo 10's Snoopy in Lunar Orbit, Aldrin taking a pee on the moon( a first), the water leaking into the Apollo 15 command module, the Apollo 14 LM extraction difficulties, the Apollo 16 CM problems that threatened the trip, the yakety yak antics of the Apollo 12 crew and so forth and so on and on and on and on.

Were Apollo real, we would expect anything but one "nominal" event after another. We would expect COLOR!!!! How do fiction writers make their stories work? DETAIL !!!!! Anecdote!!!! The Perpetrators of the Apollo fraud were/are well aware of this issue. To get people to buy this cock and bull, AND WITHOUT QUESTION, THE MOST IMPORTANT PEOPLE TO FOOL ARE THE 400,000 APOLLO WORKERS, THE PEOPLE ACTUALLY INVOLVED IN THE PROJECT, THE FEW BAD PERPETRATING APPLES HAVE TO COLOR THEIR STORY WITH ANECDOTES, JUST AS THEY DID WITH THE BORMAN ILLNESS ANECDOTE, a great case in point. If the 400,000 Apollo workers are doing things like "figuring out" how it is that water is leaking into Apollo 15 AND also figuring out how to FIX the problem, if the people in Mission control hear Borman is actually ILL, if engineers are working on solutions to Apollo 13's woes, THIS is what makes the fraud go, THIS is what makes it work.

Clever the Apollo fraud PERPS were and are, but NOT SMART. In some cases, they botched things, realizing too late that their details, in this case the Borman illness detail, instead of adding color in such a way that the fraud becomes more plausible, becomes instead an obvious piece of the story that is simply not credible, and as is the case with lying of any sort, once they realize their lie has been found out, or might be found out because it is not plausible, they tell more lies to cover the first, and then a lie to cover the second, and then 3 lies to cover the third lie and so forth, on and on, until they are left with a mish mash of incoherency. And as my group of Apollo researchers is fond of saying , the official narrative is easily seen to be internally incoherent and therefore necessarily untrue. Apollo must be fraudulent.

So what is the truth here?

At some point, a decision, and in retrospect, at least for the PERPS anyway, a bad decison, was made to tell this story about Borman having diarrhea in space. The thinking here of course is people are expected to think on some level, albeit a subconcious one, or perhaps better said in retrospect, people were expected to think in an "after the fact sense" , HOW CAN THE THING BE A FRAUD? HOW CAN IT NOT BE REAL? IF BORMAN IS ILL IN SPACE, IT HAS TO BE LEGIT? FAKE DIARRHEA? NO WAY". But in short order, perhaps in the wake of questioning by reporters, the PERPS realized the Borman illness anecdote was potentially fatal. It could easily end the entire fraudulent program before it really got off the ground. They realize that if Borman really were ill with diarrhea in space with his stool floating all about, that stool could be INHALED. E.Coli, salmonella, breathing it in. What would be the fallout? Were it simple viral gastroenteritis, it still would be problematic. Anders and Lovell could get very sick as well. Here on earth, stomach flu is no big, but in space? What if all three of them are pooping into the cabin, losing liters of fluid? How are they going to replace it? The environmental system could not even cope with mild diarrhea were all three to become ill, mildly symptomatic. They'd die. Electrolyte problems? What about the vomitus? How is that going to affect their lungs? It is low pH material/acidic, and they would be breathing in microdroplets of it. What about the equipment? James Irwin wrote himself that a small blob of water had the Apollo 15 astronauts worried with regard to its capacity to short the electrical systems. What about vomitus and/or diahhea? What is that going to do to the computer and the other equipment? Cannot say they would not be worried. They were plenty worried about the water leak in Apollo 15, and that was small volume. We are talking about a much more robust leak here.
Once they tell this ridiculous, and ridiculously damaging lie, they cannot undo it altogether, though they wished they could have. As such, they do the best they can and engage in damage control. By far and away, were the scenario real, from a biologic/medical standpoint, the biggest threat to the astronauts would have been INFLUENZA. They try to make this "go away" by saying that the astronauts were vaccinated and therefore immune. Of course any first year medical student, let alone a full fledged medical intern, could have told them such was not the case, but what were they to do? They had botched it big time, best they could do, tell more lies to minimize fallout They tried to minimize the diarrheal concern by not mentioning it and trying to link the illness to things not associated with diarrhea, seconal ingestion and space adaptation syndrome(motion sickness). NASA physician Charles Berry lied in writing the medical report by saying the vomitus and stool was all caught, EVEN THOUGH IT WAS REPORTED IN THE NEWSPAPERS AND MAGAZINES OF THE DAY with Charles Berry himself telling reporters in December of 1968 that Borman's stool was likely to infect the other astronauts as well(Lovell and Anders), this, as that particular virus group, those causing garden variety gastroenteritis, are so very contagious.

And so the not so white lie about Borman's vomiting and puking in space blew up and blew very real stool in the faces of the Apollo fraud perpetrators, and as such, with regard to this anecdote, the official soty is simply not credible, being inconsistent, internally incoherent and necessarily untrue.

If you have an alternative explanation, scenario proposal that also fits the facts, or if you object to my accounting of the facts, I welcome your challenge.

APOLLO IS FRAUDULENT

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THE FACTS AS REGARDS THE BORMAN CISLUNAR DIARRHEAL ILLNESS EPISODE

1) An INFLUENZA pandemic created great problems for the world's public health care systems of the time, 1968/1969. The Hong Hong Flu took a million lives worldwide and 30,000 give or take, in the U.S. alone . Millions more were rendered ill to the point of complete incapacitation before they were fortunate enough to recover.
 Quoting: RelentlesslyClever


So?

2) NASA alleges all 3 Apollo 8 astronauts, Borman, Lovell and Anders, were vaccinated in the late fall of 1968.
 Quoting: RelentlesslyObtuse


Allegedly? Why wouldn't they have been?

3) INFLUENZA vaccines, including that for the Hong Kong Flu of 1968/1969, are not 100% effective/efficaious. As it turned out, the Hong Kong Flu vaccine of 1968 was disappointingly ineffective. Assuming the Apollo 8 astronauts were indeed vaccinated, the vaccine's efficacy/effectiveness would have been no better than 80%, and that figure is VERY GENEROUS, this, given what was learned in the wake of the epidemic as regards the vaccine's performance.
 Quoting: RelentlesslyMisorthographic


Of course, they would need to have been exposed to the influenza in order to get it. Setting aside the fact that the vaccine works eight out of ten times, the astronauts were sequestered for two weeks prior to the mission.

4) Frank Borman became ill "in space" beginning roughly 18 hours after the launch of Apollo 8. His illness was characterized by himself and NASA physicians including lead doc, Charles Berry, as one in which he experienced chills, malaise, nausea associated with vomiting, and diarrhea.
 Quoting: RelentlesslyScatological


You forgot to mention that Anders and Lovell also reported becoming nauseated at that time. Nausea is a symptom of radiation sickness.

5) In the real-time world of the last week of December 1968, the NASA flight surgeons/physicians stated it was their view that Borman's illness was due to viral gastroenteritis. Most lay persons would refer to this as "stomach flu". This is a very different illness from INFLUENZA, much less serious, though it would present a very significant problem nonetheless. Because Borman was viewed as having viral gastroenteritis, it was if not assumed such would be the case, then viewed at least as very very possible, that the other 2 astronauts would become sick as well, "stomach flu" viruses being so very contagious
 Quoting: RelentlesslyObsessed


Since all three astronauts became nauseated during their passage through the Van Allen Radiation Belts, the first three human beings to pass through them, radiation sickness would be the first concern of the Flight Surgeons.

6) Prior to becoming ill, given alleged bothersome insomnia, Astronaut Borman took a seconal pill/capsule his first "night in space" . Side effect wise, seconal would be a medication that may well cause a problem with nausea, and if nauseated enough, an individual might vomit in consequence. That said, seconal use would not be associated with diarrhea .
 Quoting: RelentlesslyBoring


Why not? Allergic reactions vary.

7) In the post flight medical report, lead physician Charles Berry reported all the vomitus AND diarrhea was captured/caught in the plastic bags the astronauts used for defecation. This dirrectly contradicts the story as reported in the newspapers and magazines of the time, real-time reports. It also contradicts the story as told by authors such as Chaikin in his MAN ON THE MOON book. Keep in mind Chaikin interviewed all of the principals, and then some, before writing their detailed accounts of exactly what happened up there in space. Newsmen/newswomen of the day, Andrew Chaikin , and others, all reported the vomitus and diarrhea floated about the cabin. The only report made anywhere of ALL the vomitus and diarrhea being captured in the fecal collection bags is that of physician Charles Berry. No one else makes such a claim.
 Quoting: RelentlesslyGraphic


Was Dr. Berry present in the spacecraft? He is repeating what he was told. Most healthy people don't dwell on how they clean up their sick.

8) Liquid of ANY KIND, floating about a hypothetical Apollo command module poses a significant threat.
 Quoting: RelentlesslyRepetitive


Good thing they cleaned it up, then.

9) Water floating about a zero G cabin was problem enough, vomitus and diarrhea posed a duel threat; first of all, just like water, vomitus and diarrhea would have posed a major threat to the electronic systems of the ship... Water/vomitus/loose diarrheal stool floating about in a ZERO G cabin's "atmosphere" would constitute an unbelievable health risk. The inhalation of low pH/acidic material, enteric BACTERIA, viruses such as INFLUENZA, could wipe a crew out...
 Quoting: RelentlesslyDull


Good thing they did not have INFLUENZA.

10) Any person, whether a man actually traversing cislunar space in a ship, or a kindergarten teacher, were he or she to complain of chills, malaise, nausea, vomiting, diarrhea, a physician that was charged with helping said individual would gernerate a list, or a "differential" as doctors call them, of possible explanations for the problem. This is actually a simple and staright forward matter, the list generation issue is....
 Quoting: RelentlesslyVerbose


Yes. Three astronauts report becoming nauseated while passing through the radiation belts. The first item on the list would necessarily be radiation poisoning. Another possibility would be some form of vestibular disorientation due to microgravity. One of the astronauts reports a GI disturbance. This is probably an unrelated symptom.

11) As Borman seemed to "recover" quickly from whatever made him ill, the NASA doctors responsible for the Apollo 8 astronauts felt viral gastroenteritis/stomach flu was more likely than not responsible.
 Quoting: RelentlesslyHysterical


An excellent diagnosis. Only one astronaut was affected, and there had been reports of "stomach flu" in the area. INFLUENZA could be ruled out, due to the high efficacy of the vaccination (80%) and the sequestration period.

12) No effort was made to examine the food supply, to check for food poisoning on board the Apollo 8 ship, or back in the states. The ship was not cultured for virus/bacteria. The astronauts were not cultured for virus/bacteria on there return.
 Quoting: RelentlesslyAmateur


That you know of.

13) Upon "returning to the Earth", Borman wrote in a January 17 1969 LIFE magazine article that he had gotten ill in space, became nauseated and was vomiting. He wrote as it was his suspicion that the seconal sleeping medication was what made him sick to begin with, he decided to take seconal, half a tab/cap a second time. In so doing, he could prove his own hypothesis that seconal was responsible for his illness to begin with. Borman reasoned, if the seconal did it once, it would do it again. Borman claimed he indeed did get ill, not as severely, but felt poorly nevertheless, after taking the second and smaller dose of seconal. As such, Borman felt confident that it was the seconal which was responsible for his first and more troublesome bout of symptoms.
 Quoting: RelentlesslyRedundant


In other words, he performed his own differential diagnosis. Good for him!

14) Samuel Phillips was the Air Force General who served as the chief administrator for the USAF Minuteman ICBM program. Under his direction, the US developed its land based nuclear deterrant, the famous Minuteman arsenal. Subsequent to his directing the Minuteman program, Phillips went on to become the director of the Apollo program. Samuel Phillips is not, was not, a physicain. He was a military man, one specializing in the administration of programs working to devebunnyplex missile/rocket based systems. In the May 1969 National Geographic Magazine, Phillips wrote about Borman's illness in his article, an article that addressed the Apollo 8 mission generally. Phillips wrote that in the real time world of the Apollo 8 mission, they had been worried about the possibility of Borman's having acquired INFLUENZA given his symptoms. However, they then quickly realized that Borman was safe, at least as far as the INFLUENZA risk went, this, because the astronauts had all been vaccinated. Phillip's point was that because Borman was vaccinated, he was not at risk for acquiring the Hong Kong flu, his vaccination guranteeing his immunity to said viral pathogen. INFLUENZA vaccination never has been 100% effective/efficaious. This was well known in 1969, as it is today. Were the astronauts vaccinated, they would nevertheless have still been vulnerable, though perhaps less so if the vaccine did successfully produce an antibody response.
 Quoting: RelentlesslyThick


Since you yourself have pointed out that Phillips is not a doctor, why are you concerning yourself with his opinion?

15) Though there may be one such case/example, I have never seen one. In essentially all public events where Borman himself discusses what happened during the flight of Apollo 8, HE DOES NOT SPEAK OF THE DIARRHEA. THE VOMITING, YES, THE DIARRHEA, NEVER.
 Quoting: RelentlesslyPoopobsessed


Perhaps because normal people don't obsess over scat the way you do.

16) As mentioned at the outset, Michael Collins wrote in his book, CARRYING THE FIRE, that Borman's problem/illness was due to space adaptation syndrome/space based motion sickness. Collins wrote of Bormans nausea and vomiting, but not his diarrhea.
 Quoting: RelentlesslyBoring


Finally! An actual fact. What is your point here?

A) Why is Samuel Phillips writing in the May 1969 National Geographic article that Borman could not possibly have had INFLUENZA given the fact that the astronauts were vaccinated? That is simply not true. Any real physician, any first year intern, could tell Phillips that. Who is advising Phillips? Phillips is not a physician, and if he were, he would know that vaccinating someone by no means guarantees immunity.
 Quoting: RelentlesslyRhetorical


Correct; he is not a physician. He is repeating what he was told, in layman's terms. It was extremely unlikely that the astronauts had INFLUENZA, good enough odds to rule it out.

B) Given Borman allegedly had problems with both vomiting AND diarrhea, and given the FACT that food poisoning notoriously causes nausea/vomiting/diarrhea together, why did they not have the astronauts check their food supply, examine it, study it, ditto for the water supply, ditto for the food and water supply from which the astronauts ate and drank prior to "taking off"?
 Quoting: RelentlesslyRepetitive


Do you suppose that the astronauts'food was not prepared under the strictest hygienic conditions? What could they do about it if it were ridden with botulism?

C) Why weren't the ship's surfaces cultured to look for virus and or bacteria?
 Quoting: RelentlesslyFoolish


What makes you think it wasn't?

D) Why wasn't Borman's stool cultured to look for salmonell for example?
 Quoting: RelentlesslyJAQing


What makes you think it wasn't?

E) Charles Berry, the head NASA physician, knew it was true that as the story was originally related to the public, vomitus and diarrhea floated freely about the command module cabin of Apoollo 8. Why did he write in the Apollo 8 medical report that that was not the case? He wrote all of the vomitus and ALL of the diarrheal stool was "caught" in fecal bags?
 Quoting: RelentlesslyRepetitive


Again, was Dr. Berry present in the spacecraft?

F) Why is Borman taking Seconal a second time if it made him sick to begin with? No physician would permit that. If a genuine ALLERGIC problem as opposed to a SIDE EFFECT problem was responsible for the syptoms initially, Borman could esily die in minutes with his second ingestion of seconal. And even if it was a seconal side effect issue, no one in their right mind would try to make himself/herself ill under such circumstances. No physician would permit that. This is utterly unbelievable and is proof of Apollo's fraudulence in and of itself.
 Quoting: RelentlesslyMonomaniacal


It's called performing a differential diagnosis.

]G) On returning to earth, given the uncertainites and what would be at stake moving forward, why didn't NASA work diligently to prove to itself that Borman really did acquire viral gastroenteritis? there is so much at stake with respect to future flights. What if it is the food or water supply that is the problem? What about Apollo 9? !0? 11? What if Borman swallowed a piece of Lovell's poop and so got ill in consequence to begin with? How do they know such was not the case? Well the answer is that they know because Apollo is 10 plus fake and is all made up. But what if it was real? Were this real, environmental people would have been looking at that and a real toilet would have been installed. WAY FAKE, the plastic bags as a toilet thing , WAY FAKE. The claim was made that other persons in the Cape area were ill with viral enteritis and Borman presumably acquired it from them. But if that was the case, why didn't the other astronauts get sick in space? Surely they would have acquired it from Borman, or would have been at super high risk to have done so, no? Why aren't the doctors telling the astronauts to wash their hands? If Borman has viral gastroenteritis, Lovell and Anders are at risk. So where are the precautions? WAY FAKE! A joke, nothing less.
 Quoting: RelentlesslySpamming


The fact that the symptoms went away in 24 hours is a good sign that it was a 24 hour bug. For a doctor, you sure have some strange health related phobias!

There really is only ONE explanation for all of this nonsense.
 Quoting: RelentlesslyDefeated


Yes: you've completely lost your mind.

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