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that's cuz vows are kinda like lightsticks

break em and shake em and put on a show

until the light goes out
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that's cuz vows are kinda like lightsticks

break em and shake em and put on a show

until the light goes out
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i like that.. ;)
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Solarson, I think you're getting close. You're reaching out, that is true, because you don't know, none of us know, but you're on the right track and you can feel it and you're fishing. There is no justifiable reason for us to all be floating on this rock in the middle of this vast expanse we call the universe. None whatsoever. People can try to explain it away using their gods, if that's what helps them sleep at night. But to be fighting over land, politics, it's all just a giant facade. Nothing that is going on in the news today matters.

I believe that the answer lies in our dreams. Now bear with me. There is a place, between awake and asleep. When you close your eyes, you can see shapes. You can travel through those shapes and see things you've never seen on this earth. The shapes are fractal in nature, constantly morphing, changing, but you can get in if you try hard enough and you don't let yourself be taken by sleep. These are portals. They are ways of showing you the other, hell, I don't know, dimensions, universes, options, realities. All I know, is if you relax and focus on them, you can fly through them, and if you do, when you DO fall to sleep you will dream something that impacts your daily life here on earth. I don't know if it's the pineal gland that is the source of this, or what it is, but I know you can see the most amazing things. And I think, between that and lucid dreaming, you can find more answers than what we see and feel in this reality.

You can't trust your eyes and ears in this world. We see and hear only a small amount of the spectrum. There is so much more out there. So if our eyes and ears have, through evolution, made it so we filter out MOST of the frequencies in our world, doesn't it make sense that we should trust more, the things we see when our visuals and sounds are cut off?

There's this reality (you control it),

Then there's day dreaming (you control it),

Then there's the place between awake and asleep (you do not control it),

Then there's dreams (you do not control it),

I think these different levels of consiousness will someday bear much more fruit than we give them credit for these days.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 22573986


I know I'm quoting myself here, but I think there is way more to sleep and meditation than we are letting ourselves be aware of. Here's a new study, out of UCLA from today:

[link to www.medicalnewstoday.com]

Our brains "behave" as if we are remembering when we are sleeping.

Now what does this tell you?

I think we have much to learn about this 8 hour period of "non-conciousness" that we all take for granted. We should give much greater importance to it.

We ARE remembering. But what happens when we try to remember our dreams in the morning? They get shut off. Like someone is turning off the water spigot.

I think we're remembering the past lives of our own souls.
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But then there is lucid dreaming. I have been proficient in this area for about three years now. You do not forget these in the morning. And I am certainly taking an active approach in these and not simply remembering.

However, I will agree with you that the auto load type dreams can be past life memories. I think dreaming is like any cognitive function. It can be controlled.
 Quoting: High Plains Jester


Or maybe the lucid dreams are a way that we actively participate and develop our past memories? You can do anything you want, is that right? I've only had a few in my life, but I try to do it every night.
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I can have them at will. It is correct, but much mroe complicated than that.
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More Gnosis.
Let me put it in laymen's terms for you.
The Devil is the good one and God is the bad one.

Lol


Cheap stinking Gnosis.
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That does have some fragments of truth to it. However it is not that simple. It is not just a question about the one or the other.

However, it could be close enough to truth to say that if you reverse the roles of the biblical God and Devil, it would be more correct, as the Vatican is an institute of the Evil force, the ones that DO control you and keep you here, and were directly INVOLVED in getting you here in the first place. They run the show through diabolical connections with that which is beyond the Sphere of existence on your level of currently being.
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I saw through it too, and that thought always was in the back of my mind with al the judgmental religious leaders.
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I actually believe some very good, spiritually aware, people get sucked into "BOXES", when they sign up for the mystery schools. Like any religion, the perimeters are set, and then there are layers to encourage a seeking, with something seedy at the top. So a BOX. A trap! If you buy the whole thing and don't just sail in and grab info and exit, and use discernment.

A truly discerning soul that is deprogrammed or deprogramming, who has a recognition of Love and Goodness and Equality, can read from any book (if their spirit allows them too, I actually can't read from some, for there is a demonic or negative gravity, dwarf star, black hole, crawly, prickly aura in some of them, such as the Cassiopian Wave, and I can't read the Law of One or Ra's stuff, and I will explain that shortly). Energy recognition can prevent some of us from reading some things. But on the other hand, there are some that can sail into that and actually look at the material and then find all the "distortions". Because like many works and mystery school stuff, they put just enough in to lure you, then at key points, distort truth. So its actually good to be able to go in. But I have a strong repulsion to gravity and it makes me sick.

But, a truly discerning soul will pick up any book, and see what is Love and ignore the rest, or study the rest and expose the dark side's plans with it.

Do not put yourself in a box.

They don't understand What Infinity actually means and what's actually going on in these tests here, and have taken some very basic things, that a child in the jungles could practice, Love, Discernment, Not Following Bad Orders, Equality, Kindness, Patience, Peace, and instead turned into a nightmare of metaphors, and symbolism, pictographs, geography and really screwed alot of minds.

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Now, I don't tend to go into some channeled writings, but will give the 2 I mentioned as an example of danger danger.

1. Cassiopian Wave. Someone who wrote on this forum, can't remember his handles, for I didn't follow that stuff then, and then on another forum, really promoted something elitist and extremely negative. I pegged him as a MKultra or military guy really, with a occult background and a possible Elohim or Annanuki/ET type source or influence. But I also prayed alot for him. As I do for all. I hold them in my heart chakra, and remind them they are Light and Whole and who they really are: LOVE, and then request to talk to their Higher Self, which sometimes that connection does happen, and their Higher Selves are Wonderful Hero's, gentle, humor, filled with romantic brotherly love, not the wrong kind. And what I cannot do or interfere, I can ask for help and interference from their own Souls. I don't play games in dark holes for planets. The prime directive is to get people the hell out of here, and its too programmed to be free will, currently, so we are allowed to ask away for positive intervention.

In any case, this guy liked to tell everyone they were just tares, and that they would be reformatted, etc etc. And being Loving wasnt how you passed your tests and progressed. No, it was on obedience and obey, and following the ego of another.

A few of us had long discussions with him, trying to get him to heal and become more loving.

In any case, he kept promoting this Cassiopian wave and got into a private talk with me. I tried to get out of it and so in the end, agreed to read this thing, against my own recognition of teh gravity, after trying to tell him, I knew the energy, its the opposite of Goodness and who I am, but he started getting authortative and giving me warnings, and I just didn't have the heart to speak up, so took the short cut of agreeing to read it. On that forum his name was Adonai Christ Bless. We called him ACB.

Was that ever a mistake! I didn't get far. A few chapters!

I felt this negative energy assail me, in fact, it scanned me, like gravity within scanning me.

Now here is the problem for those who are aware and recognize the key players here on both sides, is that you are actually giving permissions when you go against what you know is right, and falling (thankfully temporal, and only for a short time)

So basically its like, I had worked hard to raise frequency and Love, and become conscious daily, and Love and Compassionate even the bad guys who were accessing in ufology related events and gained REAL PROTECTION. Because ARK is acts of random kindness.

And getting on task with your Soul's Duty, Purpose. Doing the Right Thing and being LOVE.

And now, the dark side was just waiting to jump on me and my family all this time.

So the door opened.

I woke up with my son running down the stairs, my youngest, then 9.

He threw the quilt on the floor saying it had paralyzed him.

He said that hooded goons, what ACB later admitted were jackyls and worked with the military or black ops, negative black op jackyls. They had a kind of wand, stick, or cattle prod in their hands.

Every time my son tried to resist. They touched his stomach with these sticks and he said, it was like being punched in the stomach.

He broke the state of paralysis by his will and strength.

My son when he was only 6 or 7 years of age, woke up and told me, He Protected Our Home!!!! He was the protector, and I've been told he is an Indigo. He's very psi.

Anyway, I got a huge lump in my lymph gland/neck and needed antibiotics for a month.

Those doors were renounced and closed.

And ACB apologized.

Laura channels Legion on a Ouji Board. Oh, but she is so blessed and successful, look at her life, I was told. Us speakers of truth and wisdom are poor, and struggling and often health problems.

I spoke up and said, Yup, well, the devil rewards his own

Real Family and Light Workers, go down to the trenches, and roll up their sleeves. Wisdom looks up from the bottom of the well!!!!!
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Now, that was kind of Oct-Nov of 2010.

So in November that year, this was a few months after moving into our new rental home I believe. In any case. I had contact in the evening, telepathic with some of the groups I have had contact. A long blond haired woman in a form fitting blue uniform, and I could see/sense the craft in my back yard with my insight. And that evening, got a checkup, physical one, and was actually helped by them to heal.

The covers moved on their own, hands were touching my head, but I am very cautious with those kind of things, so jumped up (and by the way, never paralyzed by good guys) to take my antibiotics I was still on due to the Cassiopian Wave ordeal, that I had forgotten.

My second oldest son, then 19, came out of the bathroom and said, "Mom, for a second I saw a huge blue orb behind your back. It was about a meter in diameter"
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All people can become ascended Masters.
 Quoting: Newheart


And how along on the Path are we, brother?
 Quoting: High Plains Jester


I've learned more secrets by reading Ernest Becker "Denial of Death" and "Escape From Evil" chap 8 on fascism.

Most people don't know where to look.....and most don't want to learn.
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The trick ive found is that when you're actively seeking the path, the answers are everywhere to be found. Hell, I've had moments when ive been stuck on a question or subject and the next song on the radio will have that answer in it. Or I'll overhear a random conversation and theres the answer as well. It's really all about opening yourself up and allowing room for the truth to come in.
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Law Of One. I had this book given to me years ago, before I was awake. This guy kept saying, I am Ra!. There was a part in it where he said, if you go further ,he will send his runners out to you to help you.

That book got shown its new home in the garbage can.

No runners needed, thank you very much. I know what those are. Also, he had this similar, gravity, death star, dwarf star, black hole, type gravity that I get sick around.

OK, so the Law of One is very popular. From what others can read in it, some of it is very idealistc. Except for some very basic problems and distortions.


WE ARE NOT ONE. Infinity shows you what exists, infinite fractals, infintie energies, infinite energies, infinite intellects. One is a concrete, and has both a beginning and an ending, it would already have passed. 111111111111111111111111111111111111111......................​.

Wrap your mind around infinity, its mind boggling and the most exciting of all things to examine.

Existence is wonderful and profound.

If infinity is a circle to you, the old book "the bear is stupid, the bear is stupid, circles just circles" comes to mind. It is indeed the Spiral of Progression.

We are not pushed from past events, but PULLED FROM FUTURE ONES or the TELEOS, UPGRADED OR OUR WHOLE PROGRESSED SELVES.

We are all unique rays, like snowflakes.

Earth is about BECOMING! And doing it "our way". Passing the tests of Love and Equality, Our Way! Uniquely.

So let go of my ego! Indeed.

When I started exploring infintiy, I met with my Higher Self, within. I was contemplating the infinity within:


Beyond our Universe - Infinity Zoom [HD]

The ending is the point of it.

And I had over a month of downloads.

This life, when you finally pass the earth tests, is like the Film Clip that holds the infinite roll of film of your life.

Its the framework or foundation.

And there is no Duality "up" there, where there is no up/down, past/future, higher/lower, for you cannot take a measurement in Infinity. There is no Time.

At one point in these downloads, I was having a deep conversation on infinity and the holographic/matrix universe with my then 18 year old son, and he was saying, Thats just the way it is, and I was saying, No Way, that is a cop out, there has to be a reason for infinite something, not infinite nothing.

And, we both shared a vision.

The "Old Man" stepped out of the sky, laughing with delight at the students mulling over this question.

My son shot up, looking startled. And I knew he had experienced this too.

So I tested him "He laughed!"

My son nodded in shock.

There is Oneness, not ONE.

We are not ONE with murders.

God/GOODNESS is not a duality.

We're in tests to overcome duality.

BE LOVE! And seek. You will understand for the way will open. Your own soul will show you.

My Higher Self gave me several conscious contacts, one in childhood.

But one coming down the stairs feeling low key and poor health, and suddenly with each step, the room lit up, and home opened up and She asked me, with joy and humor and love, "Where do you think you are? Do you ever think you truly leave home?"

And I saw myself on a cot with see through curtains and my loved ones all around.

Then I saw a cafe curtain.

Then I saw the big red theatre curtains pull back on the movie of our lives.

And everything is recorded forever.

We have to be the hero's of this thing. No more bloopers and no meanness allowed

Family is NOT TOUGH LOVE. Turn the dial higher and higher on:

Humility, Kindness, Beauty, Equality, Fairness, Compassion, Gentleness, Intelligence, Awareness, Freedom, Truth, Love!

The Law of Oner's are actually, like the Hidden Hand message, trying to set you up for: Control is Love, its only for your own good.

Fema camps are Love, its only for your own good.

WE are loving you, when we kill, murder, rape, etc.

Renounce that distortion!

There is a right and there is a wrong, and we're testing everyday.

One day its pencils down. And our frequency level will assign us our realm.

If we like this world of extremes and injustice and social darwinism, survival of the fittest, there are even more extreme realms under even bigger predators, to explore our attraction to hellzone material in.
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Mystery schools basically contain the Law of One, and Hidden Hand message, a dualistic God, they seek to balance you to the middle of half light/half dark

Well that, my dear, is the beginning of the earth tests, so its a big reset trap.
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last nite I dreampt I was going down all these stairs and then
going thru doors and going down more steps over and over
again, then I jumped over a banister thinking it would be faster to get
where I was going, only to find I was back where I started. In the dream
it felt like this was the second time I dreampt this. I wonder what this
means
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last nite I dreampt I was going down all these stairs and then
going thru doors and going down more steps over and over
again, then I jumped over a banister thinking it would be faster to get
where I was going, only to find I was back where I started. In the dream
it felt like this was the second time I dreampt this. I wonder what this
means
 Quoting: stella stevens


Perhaps you were attempting to access deep subconscious programming, but didn't quite know how to move within the different layers of it. Could explain why it seemed so familiar. I prefer going up the stairs myself, but there is a wealth of information to be obtained from the "basement" levels
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[quote:SolarSon:MV8yMDA3NTU0XzMzNzg1NTY5XzJDMTUyRjcz]
I will be back soon to answer more questions, and tell more of the story I want to tell. I have a bit busy days so it may go a few days in between at
times.

For now I want to quickly address the Cannabis / Marihuana issue since so many people mention this.

Myself I am more than familiar with this substance, and I actually was a user myself for almost 10 years before I discovered the darker truths behind it.

There is actually a "conspiracy behind the conspiracy theory" on this substance. And it is very cleverly orchestrated. It IS true that Cannabis can be helpful against different physical illnesses. That includes some of the worst, such as cancer.

However, just because it is good for something does not make it good for everything. The whole reason it is so widely available, on black market, is because that is the way they get more people to use it of the ones that are "against" them.

If that makes any sense. It has to do with Humankinds rebellious nature, being against "authorities" and so on. So they have set you up. To make you think you are a "good spiritual warrior" and "rebellion of truth" by using it against the law and against their apparent "will".

But YOU are the one getting set up, shot in your own foot if you will. They KNOW marijuana is being widely popularized - thanks to them selves, and that IS the plan. They WANT it to be integrated into society, since they KNOW of the negative spiritual and mental affects it has.

It WILL open your mind up for more easy mind control through different means, including spiritual attacks & psychic influence. It will also give you a FALSE spiritual experience where you are mislead to believe you are "spiritually advanced" when the opposite is true.

As said, I myself was a user of Marijuana myself for almost a decade. And I highly advocated it and was in on the same deceit and lies myself, until I got higher up in my ranks and was let in on the secret behind it, and had good friends within the system that recommended me to stop using it. They were very enthusiastic about telling me how the world is fooled this way - not only by cannabis for that matter, a lot of "reverse conspiracies" exists in many forms.

As I said in my introduction, NOTHING is the way you think it is and you are all being deceived. That includes the lot of you in the "conspiracy community" who think you have figured things out.

Will be back as soon as time allows to answer other questions.


We have to be patient, OP will be back in a few days.
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last nite I dreampt I was going down all these stairs and then
going thru doors and going down more steps over and over
again, then I jumped over a banister thinking it would be faster to get
where I was going, only to find I was back where I started. In the dream
it felt like this was the second time I dreampt this. I wonder what this
means
 Quoting: stella stevens


Perhaps you were attempting to access deep subconscious programming, but didn't quite know how to move within the different layers of it. Could explain why it seemed so familiar. I prefer going up the stairs myself, but there is a wealth of information to be obtained from the "basement" levels
 Quoting: High Plains Jester


thanks

cool2
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[quote:SolarSon:MV8yMDA3NTU0XzMzNzg1NTY5XzJDMTUyRjcz]
I will be back soon to answer more questions, and tell more of the story I want to tell. I have a bit busy days so it may go a few days in between at
times.

For now I want to quickly address the Cannabis / Marihuana issue since so many people mention this.

Myself I am more than familiar with this substance, and I actually was a user myself for almost 10 years before I discovered the darker truths behind it.

There is actually a "conspiracy behind the conspiracy theory" on this substance. And it is very cleverly orchestrated. It IS true that Cannabis can be helpful against different physical illnesses. That includes some of the worst, such as cancer.

However, just because it is good for something does not make it good for everything. The whole reason it is so widely available, on black market, is because that is the way they get more people to use it of the ones that are "against" them.

If that makes any sense. It has to do with Humankinds rebellious nature, being against "authorities" and so on. So they have set you up. To make you think you are a "good spiritual warrior" and "rebellion of truth" by using it against the law and against their apparent "will".

But YOU are the one getting set up, shot in your own foot if you will. They KNOW marijuana is being widely popularized - thanks to them selves, and that IS the plan. They WANT it to be integrated into society, since they KNOW of the negative spiritual and mental affects it has.

It WILL open your mind up for more easy mind control through different means, including spiritual attacks & psychic influence. It will also give you a FALSE spiritual experience where you are mislead to believe you are "spiritually advanced" when the opposite is true.

As said, I myself was a user of Marijuana myself for almost a decade. And I highly advocated it and was in on the same deceit and lies myself, until I got higher up in my ranks and was let in on the secret behind it, and had good friends within the system that recommended me to stop using it. They were very enthusiastic about telling me how the world is fooled this way - not only by cannabis for that matter, a lot of "reverse conspiracies" exists in many forms.

As I said in my introduction, NOTHING is the way you think it is and you are all being deceived. That includes the lot of you in the "conspiracy community" who think you have figured things out.

Will be back as soon as time allows to answer other questions.
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We have to be patient, OP will be back in a few days.


There are no darker truths about it.. Just like with everything else , misuse or overuse..

And your so called high ranks.. would be better off if they were truly high. :) Like this being Low in lowlands among so called high ranks that are not high.... does not sound too good either. :)
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You say Cannabis would open you to psychic attacks? I guess then Cannabis is to be blamed for existence of psychic attacks?.
While those doing all those aggression upon everyone else is what really the problem is.. Not cannabis..

How your psyche could be attacked if none is attacking?.. And then if they are attacking is it true that if you do not smoke you will not be deceived or harmed as you say??

Hmmm most of people do not smoke.. And their condition is not really helpful either..

Do not even mention condition of people in so called high ranks.. They are The last people in the world whose advice I would take seriously.. As none are more deceived then them..
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You say Cannabis would open you to psychic attacks? I guess then Cannabis is to be blamed for existence of psychic attacks?.
While those doing all those aggression upon everyone else is what really the problem is.. Not cannabis..

How your psyche could be attacked if none is attacking?.. And then if they are attacking is it true that if you do not smoke you will not be deceived or harmed as you say??

Hmmm most of people do not smoke.. And their condition is not really helpful either..

Do not even mention condition of people in so called high ranks.. They are The last people in the world whose advice I would take seriously.. As none are more deceived then them..
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Just for the record.. I only quoted all what OP had last posted. I am no cannabis expert.. just wanted to say to the people to be patient, as OP wrote he will be off a few days.
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Is there any merit in just moving forward in your own natural way, your mind SET on never returning to corporeal life, without having to study the how to do it's of other people?

I have practiced meditation on and off since I was a teenager, but, not always with an intensity to move beyond this plane. At this point, it mostly amounts to moments of time, where I close my eyes and imagine balance.

There were two times I am certain 'I' levitated, but, as I was in a group, it could not last long enough.

Many years ago, while sitting quite centered with an 'aunt' (family friend) discussing transcendental meditation, I found myself shrouded in a golden light. After I returned, she asked me what I experienced, knowing 'I' had been traveling outside my self. It was spontaneous, while she was talking.

I have always attributed this unusual circumstance, of just sitting there talking as I achieved this state, to the fact that she, herself, was a one-a-in-a-million marvel, from which glorious things emanated.

Unique among her circle of friends and family, they regularly gathered at her kitchen table in the early 60's to discuss Cayce, Atlantis, Lemuria, the soul's purpose--until the day she simply picked up and moved to the desert of Las Vegas. She was never concerned that none of them traveled beyond their esoteric discussions with her. She was 'not' a hippie, was born during the depression, and, if not for the words she spoke, no one would think her anything but a mainstream wife and mother. Maybe is was her name that sealed her future: Gloria.

Throughout this entire thread I have read the titles of books that have been suggested, wondering if I MUST go so far, also. While I am always eager to learn things, I have never been one to follow 'recipes.'


So, I am asking if you would be so kind as to refer back to my original question. Can this be achieved entirely on one's own, without technique books, videos, and, such?

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>>So, I am asking if you would be so kind as to refer back to my original question. Can this be achieved entirely on one's own, without technique books, videos, and, such?<<

Hi Morgan, thats a great question! Im just an average one that may be more aware of things amiss than most but certainly not enlightened by any stretch so this may not amount to much for you.

I think it can be achieved that way, on ones own and thats probably how the majority of people achieve it. I think the point of actively seeking is spiritualy progress quicker than if one were not seeking.

I also think even those who are not seeking or even actively non-seeking (materialistic) are progressing in some way without realising it.

we really dont know do we? but atleast we know we dont know. that might be the only truth there is.

we all progress each moment, regardless but some of us are more progressive progressors, active not passive progress.
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>>So, I am asking if you would be so kind as to refer back to my original question. Can this be achieved entirely on one's own, without technique books, videos, and, such?<<

Hi Morgan, thats a great question! Im just an average one that may be more aware of things amiss than most but certainly not enlightened by any stretch so this may not amount to much for you.

I think it can be achieved that way, on ones own and thats probably how the majority of people achieve it. I think the point of actively seeking is spiritualy progress quicker than if one were not seeking.

I also think even those who are not seeking or even actively non-seeking (materialistic) are progressing in some way without realising it.

we really dont know do we? but atleast we know we dont know. that might be the only truth there is.

we all progress each moment, regardless but some of us are more progressive progressors, active not passive progress.
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Thanks, 1105272!

Wow, There a few synchronicities in your comment that have drawn me into a tangent. "272" for some reason seems familiar, as if I have been seeing it, and, your ststement:
"we really dont know do we? but at least we know we dont know."

Someone dear to me used to repeat a very similar quote all the time. I think he's at John Lennon birthday party today.

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Every time I hear people anxious about the aftermath of an EMP, or, something else that might push civilization back into the stone age, I can't help but think that humans managed to get as far as they did (B.C.E. to C.E.) without the many creature-comfort advancements of the next several millennia.

Then again, while I might posit that people still managed to advance, for lack of better word, 'transcendentally' despite the lack of books, OP might just reply: "AH! now you how easy it was to entrap humankind. Lack of knowledge. Knowledge can set you free!"

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So, I don't know. 1dunno1 But, now i KNOW that I don't know!

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yes many syncros..

and I think is was Plato (not sure but famous philisopher) who said it first and rings true for me aswell is "The only thing I know for certain is that I dont know anything" or something to that effect L0L

"Know Thyself" and "Seek Within" seems to be the the safest path so that is where Im headed for now,

at this point I feel that I do not know myself so I strive for that now. I think but do not know, maybe by not thinking I will know?
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yes many syncros..

and I think is was Plato (not sure but famous philisopher) who said it first and rings true for me aswell is "The only thing I know for certain is that I dont know anything" or something to that effect L0L

"Know Thyself" and "Seek Within" seems to be the the safest path so that is where Im headed for now,

at this point I feel that I do not know myself so I strive for that now. I think but do not know, maybe by not thinking I will know?
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just move along as happily as you can, seeking to be in harmony with the universe, your relation to the all, seeing the beauty of nature, along with that whose beauty lies hidden. listen. learn to be quiet, receptive.

i think you are there. as you go with the flow, you WILL learn/know more.

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OP said he would be gone for a bit--have patience, I think he will return, some have other things to attend to.
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I will be back soon to answer more questions, and tell more of the story I want to tell.

I have a bit busy days so it may go a few days in between at times.



As I said in my introduction, NOTHING is the way you think it is and you are all being deceived. That includes the lot of you in the "conspiracy community" who think you have figured things out.

Will be back as soon as time allows to answer other questions.
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Muslim Saw Jesus and Visited Heaven

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One of so many NDEs that give proof of the role of Jesus in the astral realm.

Yet the esoteric community (including the Franz Bardon Hermetic teaching faction, Bavid Diickes devotees and others)totally keep on dismissing such witness accounts.

There are plenty of other phenomena in the line of christian mysticism that are yet vehemently and passionately overlooked or played down by the "anti-christ" faction.

If you can spend some time with one of the many psychic surgery healers in the philippines you WILL EXPERIENCE that yet one of the biggest proof of the power of Jesus and the Holy Spirit is the wonder of spontaneous remission. ALL the powerfull healers work in the lineage of Jesus Christ for the simple reason that they have personal encounter and experience with Jesus and the holy spirit.

Its nice to do astral travel. remote viewing, to channel aliens and ascended masters or to give great intellectual explanations. It's a different ball park whatsoever having the gift of healing in the magnitude of a really powerfull healer. By the way true mystics shine by appearance and few words.

Go and study the Bruno Groening phenomena in the mid 40ies in Germany. He was totally in the line of Christian mysticism and experienced likewise massive prosecution by the modern days cabal (west med and legislativ powers). Bruno gave teachings in small groups in the line of Jesus Christ. He would literally heal hundreds of people by just him appearing in front of the crowd). No nice talking but hands on real life experience.

People of a magnitude like Bruno Groening teach Monotheism. Deism on the other hand is more or less the foundation of the vast majority of the esoteric community who is consistently stuck in wonderfully layed out theories but none real life demonstration as healing of masses for instance.

...still you have people who come forward in the truth movement who keep on trolling witness accounts in the lineage of Jesus Christ.



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last nite I dreampt I was going down all these stairs and then
going thru doors and going down more steps over and over
again, then I jumped over a banister thinking it would be faster to get
where I was going, only to find I was back where I started. In the dream
it felt like this was the second time I dreampt this. I wonder what this
means
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It means...you need to stop reviewing M.C. Escher's artwork....no?

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