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They chemtrailed the crap outta LA today

 
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The air doesn't need to be super saturated for contrail formation.

Contrails have a critical temperature for formation...based on pressure level (altitude) and relative humidity...also the type of engine has an influence on contrail formation.
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geo engineering is admitted and is funded; this came out from congressional reports
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No but i can offer my sympathy to you and tell you the same thing happened here. It was overcast and a faint rain for most of the day then around 3-4 ish it cleared up only to reveal dozens of low lying chem sprays overhead. To make it worse it warmed up quickly then an hour or so later it not only cooled and clouded back over, now there's a thick low level fog that's blanketed this whole fricken area.

Anyone else in southern Ontario see what I just described?? I was very reluctant to go running just before dark but I did anyways, this crap is what needs to be brought up in these stupid debates!! Stop spraying, kill GMO foods, cancel all water fluoridation immediately, etc etc.

Arrrrrrrrg. So frustrating some days, sorry had to vent a little.
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Have you bothered to notice how INTENSELY WHITE the sun is when there isn't smog/fog/overcast. In my area it is SO intense that it is actually blinding. It has caused me to actually rethink the possible motives behind the spraying.
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The air doesn't need to be super saturated for contrail formation.

Contrails have a critical temperature for formation...based on pressure level (altitude) and relative humidity...also the type of engine has an influence on contrail formation.
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Yes, the air has to have enough moisture so the ADDED moisture from the engine brings it past saturation. The air must be supersaturated by the engine for the trail to persist.

And yes, the more efficient the engine, the more water vapor created.
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geo engineering is admitted and is funded; this came out from congressional reports
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Yet, there is NOTHING in the reports to link the trails in the sky TO the "geoengineering"...is there!?!

Oh wait...yes there is..

Ignorant and paranoid chemtard assumption!

How do you people know that "geoengineering" would result in ANY visible trail whatsoever?!

Howe do you know the planes NOT leaving trails aren't "geoengineering" with clear/hard to see "chemicals"?!
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No but i can offer my sympathy to you and tell you the same thing happened here. It was overcast and a faint rain for most of the day then around 3-4 ish it cleared up only to reveal dozens of low lying chem sprays overhead. To make it worse it warmed up quickly then an hour or so later it not only cooled and clouded back over, now there's a thick low level fog that's blanketed this whole fricken area.

Anyone else in southern Ontario see what I just described?? I was very reluctant to go running just before dark but I did anyways, this crap is what needs to be brought up in these stupid debates!! Stop spraying, kill GMO foods, cancel all water fluoridation immediately, etc etc.

Arrrrrrrrg. So frustrating some days, sorry had to vent a little.
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Have you bothered to notice how INTENSELY WHITE the sun is when there isn't smog/fog/overcast. In my area it is SO intense that it is actually blinding. It has caused me to actually rethink the possible motives behind the spraying.
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Doesn't look any different to me for the last 47 years...
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Don't believe your lying eyes....Act as if you were born last night......

Right Noble?

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Re: They chemtrailed the crap outta LA today
The air doesn't need to be super saturated for contrail formation.

Contrails have a critical temperature for formation...based on pressure level (altitude) and relative humidity...also the type of engine has an influence on contrail formation.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 3843921


Yes, the air has to have enough moisture so the ADDED moisture from the engine brings it past saturation. The air must be supersaturated by the engine for the trail to persist.

And yes, the more efficient the engine, the more water vapor created.
 Quoting: Noble

Yes, I know that. But even if the parcel of air behind the engine is saturated with respect to water, the ambient air has to be saturated with respect for ice, so that the contrail persists as it returns to ambient conditions.

Super saturation isn't the reason.
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Weird, Portland Oregon is BLUE BLUE BLUE sky with not a contrail or cloud up there.. This is odd as theres plenty of planes flying around, just beautiful blue sky, odd that i also feel more energized today.... SHits making me wonder YO!!

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Oh yea! Watched it all day long even into the night. Been seeing this for three days now. In mid-cities area.
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Don't believe your lying eyes....Act as if you were born last night......

Right Noble?

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Is that why you failed 6th grade science? Too busy jerking off?
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Re: They chemtrailed the crap outta LA today
The air doesn't need to be super saturated for contrail formation.

Contrails have a critical temperature for formation...based on pressure level (altitude) and relative humidity...also the type of engine has an influence on contrail formation.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 3843921


Yes, the air has to have enough moisture so the ADDED moisture from the engine brings it past saturation. The air must be supersaturated by the engine for the trail to persist.

And yes, the more efficient the engine, the more water vapor created.
 Quoting: Noble

Yes, I know that. But even if the parcel of air behind the engine is saturated with respect to water, the ambient air has to be saturated with respect for ice, so that the contrail persists as it returns to ambient conditions.

Super saturation isn't the reason.
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Uh huh....
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The air doesn't need to be super saturated for contrail formation.

Contrails have a critical temperature for formation...based on pressure level (altitude) and relative humidity...also the type of engine has an influence on contrail formation.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 3843921


Yes, the air has to have enough moisture so the ADDED moisture from the engine brings it past saturation. The air must be supersaturated by the engine for the trail to persist.

And yes, the more efficient the engine, the more water vapor created.
 Quoting: Noble

Yes, I know that. But even if the parcel of air behind the engine is saturated with respect to water, the ambient air has to be saturated with respect for ice, so that the contrail persists as it returns to ambient conditions.

Super saturation isn't the reason.
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And what do you think the air is saturated with when the temperature is -40? Liquid water?!
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Yes I drove from San Diego to Burbank yesterday. Crazy criss-cross patterns all over the sky. It was so noticeable that it couldn't have been an accident IMHO. The other thing I noticed was all incoming planes seemed to "turn on the spray" as they approached the LA area. You could physically see when it began shooting out. Also, you could see them falling. They would start as very thin lines in the sky and get bigger and bigger as they came down. The other noteworthy point is how they seemed to hold there shape all the way down...Seemed unaffected by winds/breezes.

Very noticeable grid type pattern all over the sky.
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Yes I drove from San Diego to Burbank yesterday. Crazy criss-cross patterns all over the sky. It was so noticeable that it couldn't have been an accident IMHO. The other thing I noticed was all incoming planes seemed to "turn on the spray" as they approached the LA area. You could physically see when it began shooting out. Also, you could see them falling. They would start as very thin lines in the sky and get bigger and bigger as they came down. The other noteworthy point is how they seemed to hold there shape all the way down...Seemed unaffected by winds/breezes.

Very noticeable grid type pattern all over the sky.
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And the ONLY explanation is..."chemtrails"...

Sure...
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Not what I am talking about.

I'll try to explain a little better...

Think of a parcel of air as a really big balloon, like the size of your car.

This parcel of air is generated by the exhaust, in the wake of the engine. It has it's own temperature and humidity.

Ambient temp is self explanatory,it is the temp and humidity of the air surrounding this parcel.


Contrails occur when that parcel of air becomes saturated to the respect for water. That's why race cars can even generate contrails in the low pressure wake of the car's wings.

If the ambient air surrounding this parcel is not saturated with respect for ice, the contrail particles will go through sublimation (opposite of deposition, return to ambient conditions, and disappear.

The contrail will persist if the ambient air is saturated with respect for ice...since it will be maintained as the parcel returns to the ambient conditions.
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Also, what happens when water vapor is introduced to an area that is saturated as opposed to an area which isn't saturated?

If it isn't saturated, the water vapor is absorbed by the air. If it's already saturated, what happens?

Add changes in temperature.
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No but i can offer my sympathy to you and tell you the same thing happened here. It was overcast and a faint rain for most of the day then around 3-4 ish it cleared up only to reveal dozens of low lying chem sprays overhead. To make it worse it warmed up quickly then an hour or so later it not only cooled and clouded back over, now there's a thick low level fog that's blanketed this whole fricken area.

Anyone else in southern Ontario see what I just described?? I was very reluctant to go running just before dark but I did anyways, this crap is what needs to be brought up in these stupid debates!! Stop spraying, kill GMO foods, cancel all water fluoridation immediately, etc etc.

Arrrrrrrrg. So frustrating some days, sorry had to vent a little.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 3064678


Have you bothered to notice how INTENSELY WHITE the sun is when there isn't smog/fog/overcast. In my area it is SO intense that it is actually blinding. It has caused me to actually rethink the possible motives behind the spraying.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1148772


Doesn't look any different to me for the last 47 years...
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That's because you can't see the sky when your head is lodged up your ass!
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Re: They chemtrailed the crap outta LA today
No but i can offer my sympathy to you and tell you the same thing happened here. It was overcast and a faint rain for most of the day then around 3-4 ish it cleared up only to reveal dozens of low lying chem sprays overhead. To make it worse it warmed up quickly then an hour or so later it not only cooled and clouded back over, now there's a thick low level fog that's blanketed this whole fricken area.

Anyone else in southern Ontario see what I just described?? I was very reluctant to go running just before dark but I did anyways, this crap is what needs to be brought up in these stupid debates!! Stop spraying, kill GMO foods, cancel all water fluoridation immediately, etc etc.

Arrrrrrrrg. So frustrating some days, sorry had to vent a little.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 3064678


Have you bothered to notice how INTENSELY WHITE the sun is when there isn't smog/fog/overcast. In my area it is SO intense that it is actually blinding. It has caused me to actually rethink the possible motives behind the spraying.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1148772


Doesn't look any different to me for the last 47 years...
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That's because you can't see the sky when your head is lodged up your ass!
 Quoting: Jonny Smoke



...says the stupid chemtard...
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Have you bothered to notice how INTENSELY WHITE the sun is when there isn't smog/fog/overcast. In my area it is SO intense that it is actually blinding. It has caused me to actually rethink the possible motives behind the spraying.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1148772


Doesn't look any different to me for the last 47 years...
 Quoting: Noble


That's because you can't see the sky when your head is lodged up your ass!
 Quoting: Jonny Smoke



...says the stupid chemtard...
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skull_fing
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Not what I am talking about.

I'll try to explain a little better...

Think of a parcel of air as a really big balloon, like the size of your car.

This parcel of air is generated by the exhaust, in the wake of the engine. It has it's own temperature and humidity.

Ambient temp is self explanatory,it is the temp and humidity of the air surrounding this parcel.


Contrails occur when that parcel of air becomes saturated to the respect for water. That's why race cars can even generate contrails in the low pressure wake of the car's wings.

If the ambient air surrounding this parcel is not saturated with respect for ice, the contrail particles will go through sublimation (opposite of deposition, return to ambient conditions, and disappear.

The contrail will persist if the ambient air is saturated with respect for ice...since it will be maintained as the parcel returns to the ambient conditions.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 3843921


Again,

And what do you think the air is saturated with when the temperature is -40? Liquid water?!
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Doesn't look any different to me for the last 47 years...
 Quoting: Noble


That's because you can't see the sky when your head is lodged up your ass!
 Quoting: Jonny Smoke



...says the stupid chemtard...
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1211465


skull_fing
 Quoting: Jonny Smoke



No matter what you reply with...it won't change the facts..

That being you fear man made clouds because you are an ignorant and paranoid pussy.

I WIN!
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Re: They chemtrailed the crap outta LA today
You guys can throw around "chemtard" as much as you want, but the fact is, there are some BIZZARE looking "clouds" outside today.

Any idiot can see that THIS IS NOT NORMAL.

Denytards.
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You guys can throw around "chemtard" as much as you want, but the fact is, there are some BIZZARE looking "clouds" outside today.

Any idiot can see that THIS IS NOT NORMAL.

Denytards.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 24526991


"bizzare looking" doesn't mean they are part of some plot...

You can claim all you want that they aren't normal (I'll argue that they are normal, just maybe not natural) but that's a far cry from being part of some government program.
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Not what I am talking about.

I'll try to explain a little better...

Think of a parcel of air as a really big balloon, like the size of your car.

This parcel of air is generated by the exhaust, in the wake of the engine. It has it's own temperature and humidity.

Ambient temp is self explanatory,it is the temp and humidity of the air surrounding this parcel.


Contrails occur when that parcel of air becomes saturated to the respect for water. That's why race cars can even generate contrails in the low pressure wake of the car's wings.

If the ambient air surrounding this parcel is not saturated with respect for ice, the contrail particles will go through sublimation (opposite of deposition, return to ambient conditions, and disappear.

The contrail will persist if the ambient air is saturated with respect for ice...since it will be maintained as the parcel returns to the ambient conditions.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 3843921


Again,

And what do you think the air is saturated with when the temperature is -40? Liquid water?!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1211465


If the ambient air is going to be saturated with anything, it is going to be ice.

However, as the warm un-saturated air of the engine (parcel) mixes with the colder ambient air, that parcel with it's saturation with respect for water, forming drops, then freezing.

Only if the ambient air is saturated with respect for ice will those ice crystals remain, and not sublimate.
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Hey noble, how come u only show up on Chemtard threads?
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Because it's a subject that I'm actually FINANCIALLY COMPENSATED to spread LIES and call people names for wanting the TRUTH about.

Why do you show up at other threads...because you are paranoid about other things...
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Fixed it for ya, ya little RAT BASTARD.
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 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1211465


Not what I am talking about.

I'll try to explain a little better...

Think of a parcel of air as a really big balloon, like the size of your car.

This parcel of air is generated by the exhaust, in the wake of the engine. It has it's own temperature and humidity.

Ambient temp is self explanatory,it is the temp and humidity of the air surrounding this parcel.


Contrails occur when that parcel of air becomes saturated to the respect for water. That's why race cars can even generate contrails in the low pressure wake of the car's wings.

If the ambient air surrounding this parcel is not saturated with respect for ice, the contrail particles will go through sublimation (opposite of deposition, return to ambient conditions, and disappear.

The contrail will persist if the ambient air is saturated with respect for ice...since it will be maintained as the parcel returns to the ambient conditions.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 3843921


Again,

And what do you think the air is saturated with when the temperature is -40? Liquid water?!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1211465


If the ambient air is going to be saturated with anything, it is going to be ice.

However, as the warm un-saturated air of the engine (parcel) mixes with the colder ambient air, that parcel with it's saturation with respect for water, forming drops, then freezing.

Only if the ambient air is saturated with respect for ice will those ice crystals remain, and not sublimate.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 3843921


Yeah?!
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Hey noble, how come u only show up on Chemtard threads?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 24699129


Because it's a subject that I'm actually FINANCIALLY COMPENSATED to spread LIES and call people names for wanting the TRUTH about.

Why do you show up at other threads...because you are paranoid about other things...
 Quoting: Noble


Fixed it for ya, ya little RAT BASTARD.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 3064678


Just more evidence of YOUR paranoia. I'm not paid to point out that paranoid morons are spreading fear based on ignorance.

I have lied about nothing.

You stupid chemtard loser...
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Not what I am talking about.

I'll try to explain a little better...

Think of a parcel of air as a really big balloon, like the size of your car.

This parcel of air is generated by the exhaust, in the wake of the engine. It has it's own temperature and humidity.

Ambient temp is self explanatory,it is the temp and humidity of the air surrounding this parcel.


Contrails occur when that parcel of air becomes saturated to the respect for water. That's why race cars can even generate contrails in the low pressure wake of the car's wings.

If the ambient air surrounding this parcel is not saturated with respect for ice, the contrail particles will go through sublimation (opposite of deposition, return to ambient conditions, and disappear.

The contrail will persist if the ambient air is saturated with respect for ice...since it will be maintained as the parcel returns to the ambient conditions.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 3843921


Again,

And what do you think the air is saturated with when the temperature is -40? Liquid water?!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1211465


If the ambient air is going to be saturated with anything, it is going to be ice.

However, as the warm un-saturated air of the engine (parcel) mixes with the colder ambient air, that parcel with it's saturation with respect for water, forming drops, then freezing.

Only if the ambient air is saturated with respect for ice will those ice crystals remain, and not sublimate.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 3843921


Yeah?!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1211465



Yeah.

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