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Factchecking the debate

 
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Factchecking the debate
10:45 —Big Bird is tiny: Mitt Romney says he’d help bring down the deficit by cutting PBS and “Big Bird.” PBS receives about $445 million from the federal government, which represents about .01 percent of the federal budget.

10:20 —Romney left his heart in the Zurich: Romney tells Obama, “The place you put your money is a pretty good indication of where your heart is.” The obvious rejoinder, readymade for a DNC attack is, that Romney’s heart must be in the Cayman Island, Bermuda, or Switzerland, where Romney has put his money.

10:10 —“The same fucking bill:” Romney says his healthcare plan in Massachusetts is very different from Obamacare. The guy who designed both the plans calls them “the same fucking bill.”

10:00 —Romney sees death panels: Romney comes dangerously close to invoking death panels, saying Obamacare has “a board that will tell people what kind of treatment they’re going to get.” He’s referring to IPAB,a board of doctors, hospital officials, and government officials who try to find best practices to reduce the cost of Medicare (and only Medicare —no one else’s health care —which is already a government plan). IPAB does not decide on individual cases,is subject to congressional oversight, and is legally prohibited from rationing care. In August, Paul Ryan told Florida seniors Obamacare has a “rationing board.”

9:45 —Obamacare still doesn’t cut Medicare: Romney revived one of the most repeated falsehoods of the campaign –that Obamacare cut over $700 billion from Medicare. It’s not true, and Paul Ryan’s budget included the same cuts; Ryan and almost every other Republican in the House voted for them. Obamacare did cut funds from Medicare, but from providers, not beneficiaries. The actuaries in charge of the program say the savings will actually extend the life of the program and experts say the cuts won’t affect benefits.

9:40 —NFIB fib: Romney uses as a cudgel against Obama’s tax plan a study from the National Federation of Independent Business. The NFIB sounds like a anodyne business group, but like the U.S. Chamber of Commerce it is actually a very partisan Republican group funded mostly by large corporations, not small businesses.

9:35 —Some small businesses not so small: Romney says Obama wants to raise taxes on “small businesses” by letting the Bush tax cuts on the top-tier of income expire. Indeed, many small businesses pay taxes as if they’re individuals via companies called S-corporations. Many of these small business are mom-and-pop stores, home businesses, doctors offices, etc. –real small businesses. But some large privately-held large corporations classify themselves as S-corps for tax purposes. For example, one “small business” registered this way: Koch Industries,the country’s second-largest privately held corporation.

9:20 —Romney’s curious studies: Responding to Obama’s waving around the Tax Policy Center Study, Romney said there are five other studies that show he’s right. The problem with this is some aren’t studies (Wall Street Journal op-eds are not studies) and others are by economists advising his campaign.

9:15 –Romney still can’t explain his tax plan: One of Mitt Romney’s core economic policies is a 20 percent tax cut for all Americans, which economists estimate will cost about $5 trillion over 10 years. Nonetheless, tonight Romney said,“I don’t have a $5 trillion tax cut.” What he means is that the net cost of his plan will be zero because he’ll find ways to raise $5 trillion to make up for lost revenue by closing loopholes and expanding the tax base. He wants “no tax cut that adds to the deficit,” as he said tonight. The problem with this is he won’t say how. In a much-cited study, the nonpartisan Tax Policy Center found that there’s no way this is possible without significantly raising taxes on the middle class, which Romney also says he’s not going to do.

[link to www.salon.com]
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Re: Factchecking the debate
Romney won stylistically, hands down.
He was on top of his game, extremely aggressive, and talking 1000 miles an hour.

Obama was looking down the whole debate, scribbling notes and making expressions. But those notes didn't do him any good because even his closing statement was weak.

It occurs to me that Romney was taking the JFK debate strategy.
When JFK debated Nixon he talked quickly and made a bunch of shit up. In a debate that's very effective.

But Obama plays a long game and it seems to me he was looking to just try to be solid during the debate and use Mitt's falsehoods against him in ads.

I think Obama was weak and tentative and had a bad night. For me, it was really disappointing.
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10/03/2012 11:27 PM

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Re: Factchecking the debate
Romney won stylistically, hands down.
He was on top of his game, extremely aggressive, and talking 1000 miles an hour.

Obama was looking down the whole debate, scribbling notes and making expressions. But those notes didn't do him any good because even his closing statement was weak.

It occurs to me that Romney was taking the JFK debate strategy.
When JFK debated Nixon he talked quickly and made a bunch of shit up. In a debate that's very effective.

But Obama plays a long game and it seems to me he was looking to just try to be solid during the debate and use Mitt's falsehoods against him in ads.

I think Obama was weak and tentative and had a bad night. For me, it was really disappointing.
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I am happy you were disappointed.
Ban guns to "save the children" but killing them in the womb is totally cool......I see; it makes perfect sense now.
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10/03/2012 11:40 PM
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Re: Factchecking the debate
Romney won't tell you about his plans to replace health care, won't tell you about his tax plan and won't tell you about his plan to regulate the financial sector.
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10/03/2012 11:47 PM
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Re: Factchecking the debate
Romney won't tell you about his plans to replace health care, won't tell you about his tax plan and won't tell you about his plan to regulate the financial sector.
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He is very evasive. Of course Obama is no prize either.
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10/04/2012 12:10 AM
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Romney won't tell you about his plans to replace health care, won't tell you about his tax plan and won't tell you about his plan to regulate the financial sector.
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to replace health care? you mean allow us to keep our healthcare that we had prior to obamacare?

thanks, romney!
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"Fact" checking from Salon?...lol...bunch of Liberal opinion tripe.

This is what Obama's retard brigade looks like tonight...

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"Fact" checking from Salon?...lol...bunch of Liberal opinion tripe.

This is what Obama's retard brigade looks like tonight...

:parascree:
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Yeah I know, you much prefer breitfart and newsmax.
another do

This is the high water mark for the Romney campaign, so enjoy it while it lasts. The next two debates won't be so good for him and he's probably in too deep of a hole at this point to pull it out.
I hope.
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"Fact" checking from Salon?...lol...bunch of Liberal opinion tripe.

This is what Obama's retard brigade looks like tonight...

parascree
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Yeah I know, you much prefer breitfart and newsmax.
another do

This is the high water mark for the Romney campaign, so enjoy it while it lasts. The next two debates won't be so good for him and he's probably in too deep of a hole at this point to pull it out.
I hope.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 24908979


I really don't care where facts come from, but I don't try to limply pimp off some opinions as fact like you did...

BTW...you want to read about the lack of substance?...you can start here...

[link to www.mittromney.com]

You really think Obama is going to do well in a townhall format including both domestic and forgeign policy and then a full debate on just foreign policy?....the only water around is the water that's over Obama's head...

Hope all you want, but Obama has already failed, the only thing left is for the people to be allowed to see just how much of a blundering boob he really is without his massive media insulation...tonight was the first time he has ever really been fully exposed out there on his own against a worthy opponant...and it was a pathetic debacle for Obama.

Don't worry...President Romney is going to be great...have no fear...;)
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