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Media In Full-Blown Freak-Out Mode After Epic Obama Fail! - DNC ad: "Romney Wasn't Nice!"

 
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You would have Insurance companies making the Voucher system look good until they draw enough people from Medicare to destroy (defund) it. Then they would start raising their rates. Tell me I'm wrong. Privatizing Social Security would put your retirement at the whim of the Stock Market. How many people would have lost their entire retirement in the last stock market crash. Wall Street just wants your money. They don't care if you retire or not.
 Quoting: Major_Payne


We can't have that evil evil free market getting involved...

Yea, I noticed Obama feels the same way.
 Quoting: *Heisenberg*


There is no Free Market, just Capitalism.

Capitalism is the social system which now exists in all countries of the world. Under this system, the means for producing and distributing goods (the land, factories, technology, transport system etc) are owned by a small minority of people. We refer to this group of people as the capitalist class. The majority of people must sell their ability to work in return for a wage or salary (who we refer to as the working class.)

The working class are paid to produce goods and services which are then sold for a profit. The profit is gained by the capitalist class because they can make more money selling what we have produced than it cost to buy on the labour market. In this sense, the working class are exploited by the capitalist class. The capitalists live off the profits they obtain from exploiting the working class whilst reinvesting some of their profits for the further accumulation of wealth.
 Quoting: Major_Payne


Have you ever studied the history of the Soviet Union? Do it, then whine about Capitalist exploiter's after seeing how the Apparatchik exploiter's screwed over the workers far worse than the capitalist ever dreamed of.
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That's a great defense. We aren't getting screwed as bad.
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We can't have that evil evil free market getting involved...

Yea, I noticed Obama feels the same way.
 Quoting: *Heisenberg*


There is no Free Market, just Capitalism.

Capitalism is the social system which now exists in all countries of the world. Under this system, the means for producing and distributing goods (the land, factories, technology, transport system etc) are owned by a small minority of people. We refer to this group of people as the capitalist class. The majority of people must sell their ability to work in return for a wage or salary (who we refer to as the working class.)

The working class are paid to produce goods and services which are then sold for a profit. The profit is gained by the capitalist class because they can make more money selling what we have produced than it cost to buy on the labour market. In this sense, the working class are exploited by the capitalist class. The capitalists live off the profits they obtain from exploiting the working class whilst reinvesting some of their profits for the further accumulation of wealth.
 Quoting: Major_Payne


Have you ever studied the history of the Soviet Union? Do it, then whine about Capitalist exploiter's after seeing how the Apparatchik exploiter's screwed over the workers far worse than the capitalist ever dreamed of.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 19863234


That's a great defense. We aren't getting screwed as bad.
 Quoting: Major_Payne


So theres a perfect system out there? where everyone feels as if they are not being screwed?

Wow. can't wait to hear all about it.
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There is no Free Market, just Capitalism.

Capitalism is the social system which now exists in all countries of the world. Under this system, the means for producing and distributing goods (the land, factories, technology, transport system etc) are owned by a small minority of people. We refer to this group of people as the capitalist class. The majority of people must sell their ability to work in return for a wage or salary (who we refer to as the working class.)

The working class are paid to produce goods and services which are then sold for a profit. The profit is gained by the capitalist class because they can make more money selling what we have produced than it cost to buy on the labour market. In this sense, the working class are exploited by the capitalist class. The capitalists live off the profits they obtain from exploiting the working class whilst reinvesting some of their profits for the further accumulation of wealth.
 Quoting: Major_Payne


Have you ever studied the history of the Soviet Union? Do it, then whine about Capitalist exploiter's after seeing how the Apparatchik exploiter's screwed over the workers far worse than the capitalist ever dreamed of.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 19863234


That's a great defense. We aren't getting screwed as bad.
 Quoting: Major_Payne


So theres a perfect system out there? where everyone feels as if they are not being screwed?

Wow. can't wait to hear all about it.
 Quoting: *Heisenberg*


Yes. It's called giving the working class a voice. Unions. The middleclass was at it's best when we had strong Labor Unions. Unions came under attack and the middle class collapsed. We need a strong central Government, a strong Labor class, and a strong Corporate class (Capitalists). The three would act as checks and balances for one another. Or you could elect me Emperor Major_Payne.
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Have you ever studied the history of the Soviet Union? Do it, then whine about Capitalist exploiter's after seeing how the Apparatchik exploiter's screwed over the workers far worse than the capitalist ever dreamed of.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 19863234


That's a great defense. We aren't getting screwed as bad.
 Quoting: Major_Payne


So theres a perfect system out there? where everyone feels as if they are not being screwed?

Wow. can't wait to hear all about it.
 Quoting: *Heisenberg*


Yes. It's called giving the working class a voice. Unions. The middleclass was at it's best when we had strong Labor Unions. Unions came under attack and the middle class collapsed. We need a strong central Government, a strong Labor class, and a strong Corporate class (Capitalists). The three would act as checks and balances for one another. Or you could elect me Emperor Major_Payne.
 Quoting: Major_Payne


We already have emperor Obama, close enough...
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We need to restore private sector unions (and control imports in a way to make that possible) and destroy public sector unions (even though they are surviving now because "public sector" work is very hard to outsource or import.)

It's all screwed up, and we're stuck with endless taxes for government employee pay and pensions. We're largely working and suffering so our public employees can have a secure and comfortable retirement.
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We need to restore private sector unions (and control imports in a way to make that possible) and destroy public sector unions (even though they are surviving now because "public sector" work is very hard to outsource or import.)

It's all screwed up, and we're stuck with endless taxes for government employee pay and pensions. We're largely working and suffering so our public employees can have a secure and comfortable retirement.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 23597994


What's wrong with Public sector Unions? And before you say they can vote in anyone to give them raises and perks you have to remember there are far more voters than there are public workers. The voters have the final say. Anyway to get past the "politicians give Public workers whatever they want" mentality, just have an arbiter decide crucial sticking points. That is usually how it's done. It doesn't get any more Democratic than that.
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10/04/2012 07:37 PM

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Re: Media In Full-Blown Freak-Out Mode After Epic Obama Fail! - DNC ad: "Romney Wasn't Nice!"
HOW DARE HE SPEAK TO OUR MESSIAH IN THAT MANNER!!!

Was Obama coked out during the debate?
He was lost without the teleprompter, and even kicked the podium in frustration!

For the first time, Americans got to see Mitt Romney free of the Mainstream Media Filter. When the Moderator tried to cut him off to save Obama, Mitt wouldn't let him, and continued to drive it home. Even Obama begged the moderator to save him. That didn't work, either.

Honestly Obama acted like he is defeated, already. Their internals have to be showing the truth not the fantasy the propagandists are claiming.

I loved it, Romney got the chance to speak in prime time and present the facts. Prime time is usually skewed regurgitated DNC talking points that have nothing to do with the state of our Union.

Americans got to see the unfiltered Obama last night, too. Runaway ego, unable to deal with the problems America faces, just repeating the same old, tired campaign lines over, and over again.

I've worked for CEO's like Romney before. Driven people, who will slice and dice you before you even know you are bleeding out on the floor. Those kind of people, who tell it like it is, without sugar, engender loyalty in their employees. A rising tide lifts ALL boats.

If you enjoyed the Romney/Obama debate, you're gonna absolutely LOVE Ryan/Biden...

HANG IN THERE, AMERICA, CHANGE IS COMING!!!
 Quoting: PravdaDemocrat


Yeah he was really rude...thought the rules didn't apply to him...(taking more time than alotted).......very prideful......even when talking about...Obamacare (nation).........naming it after himself...come now .......how into yourself do you have to be for people to notice..........

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We can't have that evil evil free market getting involved...

Yea, I noticed Obama feels the same way.
 Quoting: *Heisenberg*


There is no Free Market, just Capitalism.

Capitalism is the social system which now exists in all countries of the world. Under this system, the means for producing and distributing goods (the land, factories, technology, transport system etc) are owned by a small minority of people. We refer to this group of people as the capitalist class. The majority of people must sell their ability to work in return for a wage or salary (who we refer to as the working class.)

The working class are paid to produce goods and services which are then sold for a profit. The profit is gained by the capitalist class because they can make more money selling what we have produced than it cost to buy on the labour market. In this sense, the working class are exploited by the capitalist class. The capitalists live off the profits they obtain from exploiting the working class whilst reinvesting some of their profits for the further accumulation of wealth.
 Quoting: Major_Payne


Have you ever studied the history of the Soviet Union? Do it, then whine about Capitalist exploiter's after seeing how the Apparatchik exploiter's screwed over the workers far worse than the capitalist ever dreamed of.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 19863234


That's a great defense. We aren't getting screwed as bad.
 Quoting: Major_Payne


We are also not being deliberately starved to death (Google Holodor), being loaded by the hundreds on railcars and being trucked to northern Alaska (which is an extension of Siberia) and being dumped out in the middle of winter to freeze to death. No matter what you think, people here have had it good.
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We need to restore private sector unions (and control imports in a way to make that possible) and destroy public sector unions (even though they are surviving now because "public sector" work is very hard to outsource or import.)

It's all screwed up, and we're stuck with endless taxes for government employee pay and pensions. We're largely working and suffering so our public employees can have a secure and comfortable retirement.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 23597994


What's wrong with Public sector Unions? And before you say they can vote in anyone to give them raises and perks you have to remember there are far more voters than there are public workers. The voters have the final say. Anyway to get past the "politicians give Public workers whatever they want" mentality, just have an arbiter decide crucial sticking points. That is usually how it's done. It doesn't get any more Democratic than that.
 Quoting: Major_Payne


Public workers are leeches off of the producers. They live on the public bounty and having them unionised is stupidity of the highest sort.
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Have you ever studied the history of the Soviet Union? Do it, then whine about Capitalist exploiter's after seeing how the Apparatchik exploiter's screwed over the workers far worse than the capitalist ever dreamed of.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 19863234


That's a great defense. We aren't getting screwed as bad.
 Quoting: Major_Payne


So theres a perfect system out there? where everyone feels as if they are not being screwed?

Wow. can't wait to hear all about it.
 Quoting: *Heisenberg*


Yes. It's called giving the working class a voice. Unions. The middleclass was at it's best when we had strong Labor Unions. Unions came under attack and the middle class collapsed. We need a strong central Government, a strong Labor class, and a strong Corporate class (Capitalists). The three would act as checks and balances for one another. Or you could elect me Emperor Major_Payne.
 Quoting: Major_Payne


A strong central government? Are you insane? What do you think was responsible for all of the horrors of the 20th Century? The Armenian Holocaust, the Holodor, the Jewish Holocaust, the Great Leap Forward, Cultural Revolution and the Killing Fields of Cambodia were all the result of "strong central government".
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"Romney Wasn't Nice!"

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... laughing01 ... October ... surprise? ...
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 Quoting: Wisconsin


If I were in Tehran, Syria, or especially Libya, that can't shoot back, I'd be keeping my eye to the sky for the sound of jets.

Obama's needs a distraction now, big-time.

WARM UP THOSE JET ENGINE ON THE BOMBERS AND DRONES, BITCHEZ!!
IT'S WAG-THE-DOG TIME!!!

 Quoting: PravdaDemocrat


if a president and his cabinet have to do that ...then they they don't need to be in those position.........they are not needed.............because that show's how weak of indivduals they are.......and can't win fair and square....

sad no shame....

how embarrassed they must feel...

how utterly hopeless in their being...

they are living the lie.......and will vanish with it.

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Re: Media In Full-Blown Freak-Out Mode After Epic Obama Fail! - DNC ad: "Romney Wasn't Nice!"
In my view, it is quite obvious that Mitt smacked Obama around. Obam looked scared, looked weak, like he didn't even want to be there. I think if there were Independants watching, who are occasional news watchers, who don't follow the day to day grind, Romney came out looking really well. Which is the demographic he needed to connect with.

With that said, for me though as a Conservative, some of the things Romney said worried me. Was it just Romney trying to pander to Indys, or was this the real Romney?
He said he wanted to use the principles of his Mass. healthcare model as a model for the nation. That shocked me. I don't want those principles.

All of a sudden he is for funding all the popular government programs Obama mentioned....Which I also don't like. Just because an idea or program is popular, doesn't make it good.

He said he would lower tax burdens, also add 2 trillion to military spending, and not borrow any money.....how is that possible? He didn't describe enough spending cuts or loop holes to close to offset the add to the deficit. To me, besides jobs, our debt is the biggest issue. It WILL crush us if durastic measures are not taken to cut spending.


All in all, it was a great night for Romney, especially in the independant demographic.......but to me he sounded like he shifted quite a bit to the left. Which is what I have been afraid he would do.
 Quoting: *Heisenberg*


I KNOW Romney isn't going to be a Social Conservative, no matter how hard the media tries to paint him as such.

What he will be is a FISCAL CONSERVATIVE, and that matters far, far more to me, and Americans as a whole.
 Quoting: PravdaDemocrat


There is NO WAY Romney will be fiscally conservative. He is saying that he will be, but he won't be. Just look at the work he did as the governor and you'll see the truth of it.

He's also a gun grabber.
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In my view, it is quite obvious that Mitt smacked Obama around. Obam looked scared, looked weak, like he didn't even want to be there. I think if there were Independants watching, who are occasional news watchers, who don't follow the day to day grind, Romney came out looking really well. Which is the demographic he needed to connect with.

With that said, for me though as a Conservative, some of the things Romney said worried me. Was it just Romney trying to pander to Indys, or was this the real Romney?
He said he wanted to use the principles of his Mass. healthcare model as a model for the nation. That shocked me. I don't want those principles.

All of a sudden he is for funding all the popular government programs Obama mentioned....Which I also don't like. Just because an idea or program is popular, doesn't make it good.

He said he would lower tax burdens, also add 2 trillion to military spending, and not borrow any money.....how is that possible? He didn't describe enough spending cuts or loop holes to close to offset the add to the deficit. To me, besides jobs, our debt is the biggest issue. It WILL crush us if durastic measures are not taken to cut spending.


All in all, it was a great night for Romney, especially in the independant demographic.......but to me he sounded like he shifted quite a bit to the left. Which is what I have been afraid he would do.
 Quoting: *Heisenberg*


I KNOW Romney isn't going to be a Social Conservative, no matter how hard the media tries to paint him as such.

What he will be is a FISCAL CONSERVATIVE, and that matters far, far more to me, and Americans as a whole.
 Quoting: PravdaDemocrat


I care more about fiscal conservatism than social conservatism.

But he talked like a fiscal liberal to me. I mean no doubt he is a better choice than bammy, IMO. I just saw a huge shift to the left, and that is honestly what I have been expecting him to do. Even in fiscal policy. He was all for spending on the programs Obama spoke of that were popular.

I am all for cutting taxes. Ideologically I am for cutting taxes. But you can't cut taxes add 2 trillion to military spending without massive cuts to the government. It just isn't possible.

So he will either

1)Create deficits and add to the debt

2)Raise taxes elsewhere to cover it

Unless there is some 3rd option I don't see?
 Quoting: *Heisenberg*


Romney can say what he wants to say, but as of Jan. 1, 2013 the government is going to be under sequestration. The amount of money Romney can spend might be severely limited.

Then again, just like Obama he might just ignore the law and I think his term as governor tells us more about him than any promises he makes.

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