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What can civil aviation do to help save the planet?

 
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Very few scientists are funded one way of another by government no warming = no cash.

Look at the rise of eco cars the more they are bought= lower consumption = creeping up prices for magical reasons

the sun controls our planets temperature and then our planet wobbles (to be scientific) Check out

A)0 milankovich cycles

B) CERN cloud experiment

then return with a new thread saying you KNOW as a FACT
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So you are saying there is no warming . . .??? If you are you have not lived in areas of the world where glaciers are receding in rapid fashion . . . I have seen it with my own eyes . . . I also see species living in temperature zones where they have never invaded before . . . so can it be a natural cycle . . . sure . . . so is the extinction of dominate species . . . man is a dominate species . . . the difference is we can invent ways to prevent our own extinction . . . at least I hope so !!!! ohno
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what you are saying is that the world has never warmed before and is now entirely due to humans ?

prevention cant happen The world will do what it wants to do and the same as every animal ever we adapt or die
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I did not say that . . . I have not attributed the warming to any source . . . I said above that it could be a natural cycle . . . I said that it exists and could become critical in the survival of a dominate species like mankind . . .the difference is we may invent ways to prevent our extinction . . .
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That is fair i read you for a hippy global warming was created for taxes and taxes alone.

If the sun wants to cook us slowly we may evolve if quick we will cook i know that for a fact you cant stop chang or reverse so what do you propose as the solution?
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So you are saying there is no warming . . .??? If you are you have not lived in areas of the world where glaciers are receding in rapid fashion . . . I have seen it with my own eyes . . . I also see species living in temperature zones where they have never invaded before . . . so can it be a natural cycle . . . sure . . . so is the extinction of dominate species . . . man is a dominate species . . . the difference is we can invent ways to prevent our own extinction . . . at least I hope so !!!! ohno
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what you are saying is that the world has never warmed before and is now entirely due to humans ?

prevention cant happen The world will do what it wants to do and the same as every animal ever we adapt or die
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I did not say that . . . I have not attributed the warming to any source . . . I said above that it could be a natural cycle . . . I said that it exists and could become critical in the survival of a dominate species like mankind . . .the difference is we may invent ways to prevent our extinction . . .
 Quoting: George B


That is fair i read you for a hippy global warming was created for taxes and taxes alone.

If the sun wants to cook us slowly we may evolve if quick we will cook i know that for a fact you cant stop chang or reverse so what do you propose as the solution?
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Well one of Edward Teller's friends suggested a nuclear winter . . . I don't suggest that, but I might replicate in a more controlled way, what Mount Pinatubo did in 1991 eq. . . injected 20 Million Metric Tons of Sulfur Dioxide into the stratosphere . . . it halted the warming . . . [link to en.wikipedia.org]

HOW? By using Commercial Aviation . . . applause2

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For those that think global warming is a hoax. . . .someone is going to great effort to present evidence like the following. . . .



Greenland Ice Sheet

[link to phys.org]

"Aerial oblique view of the Petermann glacier front on 24 July, 2011 Alun Hubbard of Aberystwyth University, Wales.
The melting of glaciers is seen as a yardstick by which the warming of the planet is measured. Climate change experts have warned that sea-level rises caused as the planet warms and the glaciers melt could devastate coastal and island communities.
A British glaciologist who has been studying the Petermann Glacier in north-west Greenland, which is over 300km long and makes up 6% of the Greenland ice sheet, described pictures showing how fast it had melted as “gob-smacking.”

"New research shows that 2010 set new records for the melting of the Greenland Ice Sheet, expected to be a major contributor to projected sea level rises in coming decades."

[link to phys.org]



[link to www1.ccny.cuny.edu]

"Extreme Melting on Greenland Ice Sheet, Reports CCNY Team *

GLACIAL MELT CYCLE COULD BECOME SELF-AMPLIFYING, MAKING IT DIFFICULT TO HALT


Marco Tedesco standing on the edge of one of four moulins (drainage holes) he and his team found at the bottom of a supraglacial lake during the expedition to Greenland in the summer, 2011. (Credit: P. Alexander)


The Greenland ice sheet can experience extreme melting even when temperatures don’t hit record highs, according to a new analysis by Dr. Marco Tedesco, assistant professor in the Department of Earth and Atmospheric Sciences at The City College of New York. *His findings suggest that glaciers could undergo a self-amplifying cycle of melting and warming that would be difficult to halt."

Greenland glacier melting faster than expected

[link to www.youtube.com]

Check out this video on YouTube:

[link to www.youtube.com]



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Hello George!

I hope this finds you very well. Sorry if a little 'off topic', but hey-ho...

lee h here....the 'existentialist' - remember me? Was just checking the old stomping ground and, well, plus ca change! etc

I see 9/11 is on again - if you haven't already, then do yourself a favour and watch this

www.youtube.com/watch?v=YW6mJOqRDI4

Over two hours long, but well worth it - where you'll find an abundance of eminently sane, professional, expert opinion from structural engineers, architects (including high-rise steel-framed), demolition operatives, explosives experts both civil and miltary in background. Even a few psychology professionals to help explain part of what you're up against. If you want to contact me - please feel free at booboorubble@yahoo.com and I'll give you my real-world mail and more

A bientot!

Take care

Best

lee
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Hello George!

I hope this finds you very well. Sorry if a little 'off topic', but hey-ho...

lee h here....the 'existentialist' - remember me? Was just checking the old stomping ground and, well, plus ca change! etc

I see 9/11 is on again - if you haven't already, then do yourself a favour and watch this

www.youtube.com/watch?v=YW6mJOqRDI4

Over two hours long, but well worth it - where you'll find an abundance of eminently sane, professional, expert opinion from structural engineers, architects (including high-rise steel-framed), demolition operatives, explosives experts both civil and miltary in background. Even a few psychology professionals to help explain part of what you're up against. If you want to contact me - please feel free at booboorubble@yahoo.com and I'll give you my real-world mail and more

A bientot!

Take care

Best

lee
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Hello Lee how are you doing?? I am on the road in Miami presently will review your info . . . nice to hear from you . . .
Martin Luther King . . . Our lives begin to end the day we become silent about things that matter!

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Enjoy talking to yourself much OP?

Years ago I was told that the longer the post, the more detailed with many links, the higher the odds that they are being paid to post

Sure looks like you're on a mission

How much do they pay you? Do you get dental with that?

lmfao

propoganda
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Anyone who looks now sees the spray
Ing program, and realises the scope and duration.
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The Planet does not need saving. Every time a sociopaths like yourself gets such a brilliant idea, that idea only makes things worse.

The Earth can take care of itself, and will.

You see all the water drying up?

The seasons changing so that crops dont grow?

Super Volcanoes waking?

The Sun acting strange?

Mother Nature is the Ultimate Eugenicists. She has a million ways to kill you, and all of us, solving the problem.

She has done it in the past, and will again.

Who is a match for her?

Tell me?

NO ONE.

She always gets her way, and there is nothing anyone can do about it.

Penicillin was her. Giving us a chance to prove if we have evolved any.

What is the verdict since then?

When the pits of hell are opened upon the Earth, and the demons of molten lava roar, and the Sun spits, and the water is gone, and Humans don ash and lamentations, then all will know her judgements.

The purification and cleansing of animal flesh upon the ground will come.
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The Planet does not need saving. Every time a sociopaths like yourself gets such a brilliant idea, that idea only makes things worse.

The Earth can take care of itself, and will.

You see all the water drying up?

The seasons changing so that crops dont grow?

Super Volcanoes waking?

The Sun acting strange?

Mother Nature is the Ultimate Eugenicists. She has a million ways to kill you, and all of us, solving the problem.

She has done it in the past, and will again.

Who is a match for her?

Tell me?

NO ONE.

She always gets her way, and there is nothing anyone can do about it.

Penicillin was her. Giving us a chance to prove if we have evolved any.

What is the verdict since then?

When the pits of hell are opened upon the Earth, and the demons of molten lava roar, and the Sun spits, and the water is gone, and Humans don ash and lamentations, then all will know her judgements.

The purification and cleansing of animal flesh upon the ground will come.
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Wow! You would be fun at a party . . . humans are part of the problem but may be part of the solution as well . . . we are part of the earth as well . . .
Martin Luther King . . . Our lives begin to end the day we become silent about things that matter!

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Enjoy talking to yourself much OP?

Years ago I was told that the longer the post, the more detailed with many links, the higher the odds that they are being paid to post

Sure looks like you're on a mission

How much do they pay you? Do you get dental with that?

lmfao

propoganda
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I give myself an allowance . . .
Martin Luther King . . . Our lives begin to end the day we become silent about things that matter!

All truths are easy to understand once they are discovered; the point is to discover them.
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The only thing guaranteed in life is deception. . . everything else is optional . . . George B
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Anyone who looks now sees the spray
Ing program, and realises the scope and duration.
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What we see everyday can and often is not exactly what we think it may be . . .
Martin Luther King . . . Our lives begin to end the day we become silent about things that matter!

All truths are easy to understand once they are discovered; the point is to discover them.
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You can knock out drones.
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You can knock out drones.
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That is a totally different issue . . .
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All truths are easy to understand once they are discovered; the point is to discover them.
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What can civil aviation do to help save the planet?
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they can stop flying drugs for the CIA
for starters.

those are not really medical supplies
for the Red Cross.
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What can civil aviation do to help save the planet?
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they can stop flying drugs for the CIA
for starters.

those are not really medical supplies
for the Red Cross.
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I am sure there is more than the CIA involved . . .
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One scheme which is not talked about much . . . it doesn't use Sulfur Compounds nor does it use injection into the stratosphere is the following . . . it uses a type of high tropospheric cloud seeding to reduce cirrus clouds and thus reduce the amount of heat retained or reflected back into

Modification of cirrus clouds to reduce global warming

David L Mitchell and William Finnegan
Desert Research Institute, Reno, NV 89512-1095, USA
E-mail: david.mitchell@dri.edu
Received 1 April 2009
Accepted 12 August 2009
Published 30 October 2009
Abstract.

Greenhouse gases and cirrus clouds regulate outgoing longwave radiation (OLR) and cirrus cloud coverage is predicted to be sensitive to the ice fall speed which depends on ice crystal size. The higher the cirrus, the greater their impact is on OLR. Thus by changing ice crystal size in the coldest cirrus, OLR and climate might be modified. Fortunately the coldest cirrus have the highest ice supersaturation due to the dominance of homogeneous freezing nucleation. Seeding such cirrus with very efficient heterogeneous ice nuclei should produce larger ice crystals due to vapor competition effects, thus increasing OLR and surface cooling. Preliminary estimates of this global net cloud forcing are more negative than–2.8 W m–2 and could neutralize the radiative forcing due to a CO2 doubling (3.7 W m–2). A potential delivery mechanism for the seeding material is already in place: the airline industry. Since seeding aerosol residence times in the troposphere are relatively short, the climate might return to its normal state within months after stopping the geoengineering experiment. The main known drawback to this approach is that it would not stop ocean acidification. It does not have many of the drawbacks that stratospheric
injection of sulfur species has.

[link to iopscience.iop.org]
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It appears the delivery mechanism (chemical trails) is already in place. "Surprise.....Surprise"
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One scheme which is not talked about much . . . it doesn't use Sulfur Compounds nor does it use injection into the stratosphere is the following . . . it uses a type of high tropospheric cloud seeding to reduce cirrus clouds and thus reduce the amount of heat retained or reflected back into

Modification of cirrus clouds to reduce global warming

David L Mitchell and William Finnegan
Desert Research Institute, Reno, NV 89512-1095, USA
E-mail: david.mitchell@dri.edu
Received 1 April 2009
Accepted 12 August 2009
Published 30 October 2009
Abstract.

Greenhouse gases and cirrus clouds regulate outgoing longwave radiation (OLR) and cirrus cloud coverage is predicted to be sensitive to the ice fall speed which depends on ice crystal size. The higher the cirrus, the greater their impact is on OLR. Thus by changing ice crystal size in the coldest cirrus, OLR and climate might be modified. Fortunately the coldest cirrus have the highest ice supersaturation due to the dominance of homogeneous freezing nucleation. Seeding such cirrus with very efficient heterogeneous ice nuclei should produce larger ice crystals due to vapor competition effects, thus increasing OLR and surface cooling. Preliminary estimates of this global net cloud forcing are more negative than–2.8 W m–2 and could neutralize the radiative forcing due to a CO2 doubling (3.7 W m–2). A potential delivery mechanism for the seeding material is already in place: the airline industry. Since seeding aerosol residence times in the troposphere are relatively short, the climate might return to its normal state within months after stopping the geoengineering experiment. The main known drawback to this approach is that it would not stop ocean acidification. It does not have many of the drawbacks that stratospheric
injection of sulfur species has.

[link to iopscience.iop.org]
 Quoting: George B


It appears the delivery mechanism (chemical trails) is already in place. "Surprise.....Surprise"
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 36419852


"Substances exist that nucleate ice crystals as effectively as silver iodide (AgI, the best ice nucleant known) at cirrus cloud temperatures, and some are relatively inexpensive and non-toxic (see section 2.1). If significantly larger, these artificially seeded ice crystals would fall faster, and their higher fall velocities may lead to reduced cirrus cloud coverage as predicted in GCM simulations (Mitchell et al 2008, Sanderson et al 2008). The lower cirrus cloud coverage would result in greater OLR and cooler surface temperatures, thus reducing the impact of global warming. It is important to note that the decrease in cirrus coverage would occur where the cirrus greenhouse effect is strongest (i.e. temperatures < –40 °C). This is a key principle for this geoengineering idea."

You will notice form this same paper (quote above) that the targeted area to mitigate Cirrus Clouds is where Cirrus Clouds naturally form . . . which is the same areas where contrails form via air traffic. So the aircraft do not produce the Cirrus Clouds they only trigger their formation when conditions are ripe . . .
The key to this paper is that one could use silver iodine or some other nucleating agent to dissipate Cirrus Clouds in the higher Troposphere not that it is now being done!!!

Last Edited by George B on 02/20/2014 01:18 PM
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All truths are easy to understand once they are discovered; the point is to discover them.
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The only thing guaranteed in life is deception. . . everything else is optional . . . George B
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One scheme which is not talked about much . . . it doesn't use Sulfur Compounds nor does it use injection into the stratosphere is the following . . . it uses a type of high tropospheric cloud seeding to reduce cirrus clouds and thus reduce the amount of heat retained or reflected back into

Modification of cirrus clouds to reduce global warming

David L Mitchell and William Finnegan
Desert Research Institute, Reno, NV 89512-1095, USA
E-mail: david.mitchell@dri.edu
Received 1 April 2009
Accepted 12 August 2009
Published 30 October 2009
Abstract.

Greenhouse gases and cirrus clouds regulate outgoing longwave radiation (OLR) and cirrus cloud coverage is predicted to be sensitive to the ice fall speed which depends on ice crystal size. The higher the cirrus, the greater their impact is on OLR. Thus by changing ice crystal size in the coldest cirrus, OLR and climate might be modified. Fortunately the coldest cirrus have the highest ice supersaturation due to the dominance of homogeneous freezing nucleation. Seeding such cirrus with very efficient heterogeneous ice nuclei should produce larger ice crystals due to vapor competition effects, thus increasing OLR and surface cooling. Preliminary estimates of this global net cloud forcing are more negative than–2.8 W m–2 and could neutralize the radiative forcing due to a CO2 doubling (3.7 W m–2). A potential delivery mechanism for the seeding material is already in place: the airline industry. Since seeding aerosol residence times in the troposphere are relatively short, the climate might return to its normal state within months after stopping the geoengineering experiment. The main known drawback to this approach is that it would not stop ocean acidification. It does not have many of the drawbacks that stratospheric
injection of sulfur species has.

[link to iopscience.iop.org]
 Quoting: George B


It appears the delivery mechanism (chemical trails) is already in place. "Surprise.....Surprise"
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 36419852


"Substances exist that nucleate ice crystals as effectively as silver iodide (AgI, the best ice nucleant known) at cirrus cloud temperatures, and some are relatively inexpensive and non-toxic (see section 2.1). If significantly larger, these artificially seeded ice crystals would fall faster, and their higher fall velocities may lead to reduced cirrus cloud coverage as predicted in GCM simulations (Mitchell et al 2008, Sanderson et al 2008). The lower cirrus cloud coverage would result in greater OLR and cooler surface temperatures, thus reducing the impact of global warming. It is important to note that the decrease in cirrus coverage would occur where the cirrus greenhouse effect is strongest (i.e. temperatures < –40 °C). This is a key principle for this geoengineering idea."

You will notice form this same paper (quote above) that the targeted area to mitigate Cirrus Clouds is where Cirrus Clouds naturally form . . . which is the same areas where contrails form via air traffic. So the aircraft do not produce the Cirrus Clouds they only trigger their formation when conditions are ripe . . .
The key to this paper is that one could use silver iodine or some other nucleating agent to dissipate Cirrus Clouds in the higher Troposphere not that it is now being done!!!
 Quoting: George B


Seems a possible scenario could be to get permission for each long haul commercial jet to carry a canister of silver iodide (AgI) and when they transverse an area of projected cirrus cloud bank (persistent contrail) activity via a projection by NASA . . . a ground signal could release the contents of the canister . . . this would be a passive system . . . when a canister is expended it would be replaced at the next airport . . . [link to cloudsgate2.larc.nasa.gov] [link to cloudsgate2.larc.nasa.gov]

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The reason there are more and more persistent trails in the sky . . . and the reason civil aviation has the best chance to solve the global warming issue if emergency actions are deemed necessary. . .goodnews


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Great thread OP!

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The planet needs saving from the dark energy of all the evil oppressive governments, or the shadow govts controlling them

More white light energy to help raise its vibration.
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The planet needs saving from the dark energy of all the evil oppressive governments, or the shadow govts controlling them

More white light energy to help raise its vibration.
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Yes, but that has been going on for at least 3,000 years and nothing has changed much! The human condition is consistent, if nothing else!
Martin Luther King . . . Our lives begin to end the day we become silent about things that matter!

All truths are easy to understand once they are discovered; the point is to discover them.
Galileo Galilei, Italian astronomer & physicist (1564 - 1642)

The only thing guaranteed in life is deception. . . everything else is optional . . . George B