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THE CHURCH AWAKES FROM SLUMBER:
PUT'S ON THE SPIRITUAL ARMOUR OF CHRIST AND FIGHTS THIS SPIRITUAL BATTLE!

About time!


The number of pastors boldly opposing the IRS rule grew to 539 in 2011 and is expected to be more than 1,500 on Oct. 7, during what organizers are calling “Pulpit Freedom Sunday.”

The pastors find support and instructions on participating at pulpitfreedom.org, and they are backed by a legal team at the Alliance Defending Freedom.
Pastors who participate in the special Sunday event send recordings of their sermons to the IRS, effectively throwing down the challenge to argue the free speech of ministers in open court.

“It is important to note that in our opinion provisions of the tax code are unconstitutional,” says a letter from the Alliance Defending Freedom legal team. “Specifically, any IRS attempt to censor a pastor’s sermon from the pulpit is unconstitutional.

“That’s why Alliance Defending Freedom started Pulpit Freedom Sunday, to protect a pastor’s right to speak freely from the pulpit without fearing government censorship or control.”

ADF said: “After all, it’s the job of the pastor and the church leadership not the IRS to decide what is said from the pulpit. No pastor should ever fear IRS censorship or punishment when he stands in the pulpit to preach.”

In a conference call regarding the effort, Pastor John Hagee of Cornerstone Church in San Antonio agreed that no church has ever lost its 501(c)3 status for teaching Bible principals.

Hagee says that every Sunday is “Pulpit Freedom Sunday,” and it’s time that pastors in this country “choose truth over popularity.”


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Don’t get confused with left or right, or Democrat or Republican, vote the Bible,” he said.

“God’s Word is against homosexuality and abortion. You know the party that is for those things, therefore you cannot support them,” he continued.

He said that he tells his church not to go into a voting booth as a “union member,” or any other label, but to go into the voting booth with the Bible in mind.

He then had a word for Christians who don’t show up to vote.

“Fifty percent of evangelicals don’t even vote. How insane is that?”

Garlow said, “We need to see a turn in this country in the next 30 days.”

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This Sunday, October 7, 2012 has been publicized as “Pulpit Freedom Sunday” where pastors and priests are encouraged to speak up on contemporary issues, unafraid of what opponents may say about the separation of church and state and unafraid of their IRS exemption. A powerful letter from Alan Sears, head of the Christian attorney group Alliance Defending Freedom, follows at the end:

The number of pastors standing up for their right to preach from their pulpits on politics is surging.

They call a ban on such speech a “cultural myth.”

In 2008, 35 pastors defied the IRS, which holds the position that church “organizations are absolutely prohibited from directly or indirectly participating in, or intervening in, any political campaign on behalf of (or in opposition to) any candidate for elective public office.”

The number of pastors boldly opposing the IRS rule grew to 539 in 2011 and is expected to be more than 1,500 on Oct. 7, during what organizers are calling “Pulpit Freedom Sunday.”

The pastors find support and instructions on participating atpulpitfreedom.org, and they are backed by a legal team at the Alliance Defending Freedom.


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I think if these pastors are prepared to leave the church of the 501c3, go for it. Speak your minds. Personally, I don't like the fact that the government can get it's tentacles into a non-profit via the 501c3 exemptions, and that churches should seriously consider getting off of that tit.
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I think if these pastors are prepared to leave the church of the 501c3, go for it. Speak your minds. Personally, I don't like the fact that the government can get it's tentacles into a non-profit via the 501c3 exemptions, and that churches should seriously consider getting off of that tit.
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The Bible from day one has spoke out Agaisnt, Abortion, Homosexuality, Slothfullness, Hedonisim, Occultisim, just because they have become Political Hot Buttons does not mean that the Church has not been speaking agaisnt them....
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I am a Christian and do not believe the church should ever endorse any candidate or party.. Jesus transcends politics.
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F*CK THE IRS.

God bless these guys.

The first American Revolution started from the pulpit. Looks like the next one will too.

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I am a Christian and do not believe the church should ever endorse any candidate or party.. Jesus transcends politics.
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Yes Jesus does...It is speaking agaisnt those who seek to destroy the values and blessings are Country was founded on...


We were Blessed as a Nation the U.S.A because of our Creator not Man....
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I am a Christian and do not believe the church should ever endorse any candidate or party.. Jesus transcends politics.
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Politics does not transcend Jesus. That is what you are asserting.
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THIS IS THE U>S>A

:::We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their creator with certain inalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.::::
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I am a Christian and do not believe the church should ever endorse any candidate or party.. Jesus transcends politics.
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Bravo! Most totally forget the fact that no side serves God and neither do the men. Also, God already spoke, so we cannot stop it. Once people realize this, they'll see just how pointless politricks is, but who are we kidding? This world acts first and asks Father questions second.
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And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.

Isaiah 9:6 KJV
For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.

Mark 16:16 KJV
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Acts 2:38 KJV
Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

Romans 8:6-9 KJV
6) For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.
7) Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.
8) So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.
9) But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.

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8) This people draweth nigh unto me with their mouth, and honoureth me with their lips; but their heart is far from me.
9) But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.

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Separation of church & state.
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Separation of church & state.
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Before 1954, “there were no restrictions on what churches could or couldn’t do with regard to speech about government and voting, excepting only a 1934 law preventing nonprofits from using a substantial part of their resources to lobby for legislation.”


Religion in the original Constitution


Religion makes only one direct and obvious appearance in the original Constitution that seems to point to a desire for some degree of religious freedom. That appearance is in Article 6, at the end of the third clause:

[N]o religious Test shall ever be required as a Qualification to any Office or public Trust under the United States.

This statement is simple and straight-forward, and applies to all offices in the entire United States, both state and federal. The clause simply means that no public position can be required to be held by any one of any religious denomination.

It would be unconstitutional for there to be a requirement that the President by Lutheran, or even for the mayor of a small town to be Christian. Likewise, it would be unconstitutional for a law to forbid a Jew or Muslim from holding any office in any governmental jurisdiction in the United States.


(This having been said, it should be noted that several state constitutions do have a religious test — specifically, they deny office to anyone unwilling to acknowledge God or a Supreme Being.)
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EPHESIANS 5:14

for it is light that makes everything visible. This is why it is said: "Wake up, O sleeper, rise from the dead, and Christ will shine on you."



Romans 13:11 And do this, understanding the present time. The hour has come for you to wake up from your slumber, because our salvation is nearer now than when we first believed.


MAY THE PEOPLE OF OUR LORD JESUS CHRIST WAKE UP! LET REVIVAL HAPPEN! IF GOD IS FOR US< THEN WHO CAN STAND AGAISNT US!

NO ONE!!!!! NOT A ONE!!!!



EPHESIANS 1:21

Far above all rule and authority and power and dominion, and every name that is named, not only in this age but also in the one to come.


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I think if these pastors are prepared to leave the church of the 501c3, go for it. Speak your minds. Personally, I don't like the fact that the government can get it's tentacles into a non-profit via the 501c3 exemptions, and that churches should seriously consider getting off of that tit.
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The Bible from day one has spoke out Agaisnt, Abortion, Homosexuality, Slothfullness, Hedonisim, Occultisim, just because they have become Political Hot Buttons does not mean that the Church has not been speaking agaisnt them....
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and speaks out for murder, rape, etc

tax the motherfuckers, it is a business
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I think if these pastors are prepared to leave the church of the 501c3, go for it. Speak your minds. Personally, I don't like the fact that the government can get it's tentacles into a non-profit via the 501c3 exemptions, and that churches should seriously consider getting off of that tit.
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The Bible from day one has spoke out Agaisnt, Abortion, Homosexuality, Slothfullness, Hedonisim, Occultisim, just because they have become Political Hot Buttons does not mean that the Church has not been speaking agaisnt them....
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and speaks out for murder, rape, etc

tax the motherfuckers, it is a business
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The Bible speaks out for Rape and Murder???

Post scripture please...

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John Hagee is the antichrist.

Christian Zionism is false doctrine, and you will not go to
heaven if you support it.

Jesus taught peace and love. Not war.
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If any of those churches are 501C3 they get the right to exist from the Government/IRS.
They get what they deserve for yoking up.
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If any of those churches are 501C3 they get the right to exist from the Government/IRS.
They get what they deserve for yoking up.
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Teaching from the Holy Bible is agaisnt what a nation that believes in Socialism, Facism and Totalitarisim is about...

In other words the Church teaches the Opposite of Obama, his values and policies...
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Separation of church & state.
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...is a libtard fantasy.
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John Hagee is the antichrist.

Christian Zionism is false doctrine, and you will not go to
heaven if you support it.

Jesus taught peace and love. Not war.
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Burn.

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BRAVO!!!


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If any of those churches are 501C3 they get the right to exist from the Government/IRS.
They get what they deserve for yoking up.
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Teaching from the Holy Bible is agaisnt what a nation that believes in Socialism, Facism and Totalitarisim is about...

In other words the Church teaches the Opposite of Obama, his values and policies...
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How did this happen in the first place - an Unpin? Really?
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How did this happen in the first place - an Unpin? Really?
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My guess: Libtard mod.

We know who I'm talking about.
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All the churches that do this should loose their tax-exempt status for a period of five years beginning immediately. That would help the government tremendously because they'd be paying regular taxes on their income/donations, and property taxes in the counties and cities where they're located! Also, many large churches have multi-million dollar investment/saving accounts. They should be taxed on all of that income, effective immediately, as well.

Freedom to run your mouth about political matters comes with the cost of supporting the system. If you're going to be in it, then pay for the privilege like the rest of us do!
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Anything that false prophets John Hagee and Mike Hucksterbee are involved in has GOT to be crooked.

Matthew 24:11 And many false prophets will arise, and will mislead many.

They're not going to be preaching that the Bible commands debt release every seven years or that the Good Book forbids interracial marriage.
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THE CHURCH AWAKES FROM SLUMBER:
PUT'S ON THE SPIRITUAL ARMOUR OF CHRIST AND FIGHTS THIS SPIRITUAL BATTLE!

About time!


The number of pastors boldly opposing the IRS rule grew to 539 in 2011 and is expected to be more than 1,500 on Oct. 7, during what organizers are calling “Pulpit Freedom Sunday.”

The pastors find support and instructions on participating at pulpitfreedom.org, and they are backed by a legal team at the Alliance Defending Freedom.
Pastors who participate in the special Sunday event send recordings of their sermons to the IRS, effectively throwing down the challenge to argue the free speech of ministers in open court.

“It is important to note that in our opinion provisions of the tax code are unconstitutional,” says a letter from the Alliance Defending Freedom legal team. “Specifically, any IRS attempt to censor a pastor’s sermon from the pulpit is unconstitutional.

“That’s why Alliance Defending Freedom started Pulpit Freedom Sunday, to protect a pastor’s right to speak freely from the pulpit without fearing government censorship or control.”

ADF said: “After all, it’s the job of the pastor and the church leadership not the IRS to decide what is said from the pulpit. No pastor should ever fear IRS censorship or punishment when he stands in the pulpit to preach.”

In a conference call regarding the effort, Pastor John Hagee of Cornerstone Church in San Antonio agreed that no church has ever lost its 501(c)3 status for teaching Bible principals.

Hagee says that every Sunday is “Pulpit Freedom Sunday,” and it’s time that pastors in this country “choose truth over popularity.”


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This is great...but it needs to be 150,000.

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