NWO Believers Also Believe in God??

I'm not an atheist but I would rather have a dialogue with one over a Christian any day.

Hbr 13:7 ¶ Remember them which have the rule over you, who have spoken unto you the word of God: whose faith follow, considering the end of [their] conversation.





You should put that verse in context. Because in verse 7 of that very same chapter.. we are TOLD WHICH LEADERS TO PRAY FOR.

Those 'WHO HAVE SPOKEN UNTO YOU THE WORD OF GOD; WHOSE FAITH FOLLOW'.



Do you know of any ruler, in this day and age, that speaks the truth of the Word of God? You can't even find a ruler that speaks the TRUTH AT ALL. Therefore, we are not required to pray for liberal, shit eating parasites.


II John chapter 1 states:

9 Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God. He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son.

10 If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into your house, neither bid him God speed:

11 For he that biddeth him God speed is partaker of his evil deeds.







Don't quote from something that is over your head.

Take your own advice on that one.

And who determines: "'WHO HAVE SPOKEN UNTO YOU THE WORD OF GOD; WHOSE FAITH FOLLOW"? Your own faith? someone elses? your faith is an abomination to others, and vice versa.

That's pretty subjective, simpleton. Try again.

Last Edited by flashlight on 10/05/2012 01:44 PM

Your post is slightly taken out of context. If you read the context (surrounding words) you'll see that this specific verse is not about Christians being obedient to world governments as Paul was making it clear that Christians were to be obedient and submissive to those who were taking the lead in a spiritual sense (ie, the elders).

"Remember those who are taking the lead among YOU, who have spoken the word of God to YOU, and as YOU contemplate how [their] conduct turns out imitate [their] faith." Heb 13:7

"Be obedient to those who are taking the lead among YOU and be submissive, for they are keeping watch over YOUR souls as those who will render an account; that they may do this with joy and not with sighing, for this would be damaging to YOU" Heb 13:17

To your point though, I agree that Christians are to be obedient to worldly governments as Paul admonished to the Christian congregation in Rome:

"Let every soul be in subjection to the superior authorities, for there is no authority except by God; the existing authorities stand placed in their relative positions by God. Therefore he who opposes the authority has taken a stand against the arrangement of God; those who have taken a stand against it will receive judgment to themselves" Rom 13:1,2

However, note that obedience and subjection is relative. When what human governments command conflicts with what God commands, ...

"We must obey God as ruler rather than men" Acts 5:29

I'm not so sure about this. I used to be Catholic and they were pretty big in huge theological discussions about following your leaders.

My entire point was to refute the ignoramus claim that the Bible is against following leaders. Follow moses, god, Jesus,, etc etc etc etc. follow follow follow.

No creativity. No freedom.

Last Edited by flashlight on 10/05/2012 01:50 PM

You're a fucking moron. I provided links to the United Nations spiritual CHARTER in which they proclaim Lucifer as their god.. as an example of those who DO NOT speak the Word of God or keep His laws.


And you say it's "subjective"? Open your fucking eyes.


It isn't that hard to discern which authority figures in this world follow Lucifer and which ones follow YHVH.

Whoa tiger. Faith is not a possession of all. (2 Thes 3:2)

We do well to speak with kindness and understanding to all... even those who are not believers.

"But sanctify the Christ as Lord in YOUR hearts, always ready to make a defense before everyone that demands of YOU a reason for the hope in YOU, but doing so together with a mild temper and deep respect." 1 Peter 3:15

I appreciate your zeal though. :P

You worship duality, I follow unity. Big difference.

Once you remove yourself from the programming that TPTB have locked you in, and look at it from an outsider's perspective. It is all very subjective.

You think you know "the word of God"? And therefore follow who you think follows your notion of the word of God? that's laughable to say the least.

Last Edited by flashlight on 10/05/2012 01:59 PM

Yes, you are correct. I will try and hold back my temper in further posts. I apologize for my poor choice of words.

Psh, you're an idiot no matter which way you put it.

The fuckers are thinking that when nwo happenes, they will have a chance to brainwash the fuck out of the survivors, it will be like the dark ages & aftermath all over again.. at least that's what they think!!

I removed myself from their programming over 10 years ago. I am a defect in this world. I do not belong in it nor do I want to be a part of it.

You and your religion of "unity" is TPTB's programming defacto. The United Nations is working hard for your religion of "unity" and has been for a very long time now. As is documented in the links I provided previously.



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READ IT.

This helps to understand where you're coming from. Thanks. Not all claiming to be Christian have that understanding (as you can see from what I posted above, I don't).

And, to your 2nd point, I've already shown by the Scriptures cited what Christians are to do... obey governments so long as they don't conflict with God's commands.

This refusal to obey governments (when they require something contrary to God's Word) is a huge reason there's been a long history of persecution against Christians.

Also, for you to imply "freedom" is obtained by not having to obey anybody is truly a folly. Do you truly think that if everybody believed like you the world would be a better place? Would that really contribute to everybody living in peace and harmony with one another?

That's not my religion. Why do you assume and assume and assume things about me? Do you do this with everyone? You know nothing. Read up on Pythagoras to get you started.

There's still hope for you yet.

The UN has actually had meetings and discussions on how to "prepare" the world for the arrival of Lucifer... their "teacher" and leader.


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Yeah but the real gatekeepers are the ones who decide what God's commandments are.

Pythagoras = No.
I reject TPTB's mystics and philosophers.

Yet you embrace TPTB's Bible?



Edit: Rejecting Pythagoras means you reject reality. Wake up already. Do you even know what he's responsible for, before making such an asinine statement? Calling him out as a mystic and philosopher when modern day science is going to his discoveries for answers?

Last Edited by flashlight on 10/05/2012 02:20 PM

It doesn't belong to them.
They want to destroy it.
If they could erase the Word of God from our hearts and minds then they would. But the Word is written into our DNA and in the stars. It will live forever.

Their mystics and philosophers are worthless.

Wrong. It most certainly belongs to them and is authored by them. Check your history on the Council of Nicea.

If they wanted it gone it would be gone. They sure did a good job of eradicating gnostic texts til they were discovered recently at Nag Hammadi and the Dead sea scrolls.

I missed this post. Glad to hear that. So, you do believe there is a Creator then, correct? And by Creator I mean GOD... the Supreme, Almighty Being.

If so, How would we know about Him? Surely He's observing the predicament that the human race is in and all the suffering that's going on around the world.... not to mention the destruction of his creation (earth, air, etc.).

How do you suppose He feels about it? And what do you suppose He's going to do about it?

I don't presume to suppose how the source feels about anything; our true purpose and identity has clearly been hijacked. Our current state of affairs is that we are cattle on a farm. It's been that way for a long, long time.

Fortunately for us, we have something that one would call a 3rd eye. It's typically used against us, but it goes both ways. It's the key to unlocking your identity.

(I see why the other poster concludes you're a new ager - whether you realize it or not, your comments are very much aligned with new age thinking/philosophy).

All your posts seem to have one thing in common: it's all about you, ie, very self-centered. I don't mean to sound mean - but go back and read your posts and you'll see what I mean.

Again, I ask... if everybody believed like you.. do you honestly believe the world would be a better place? Would it lead to no more wars? Would it lead to peace and harmony?

The ones that talk about bringing in a NWO gather under a 40 foot owl in the middle of a grove of oaks praising and talking to something. They are getting the job done too.

If that doesn't queue one in on at least what they believe in then I don't know what will.

I think that if we found out our true purpose and Identity than yes. It would be easy to see through the lies of TPTB. Their lies are the source of duality. Duality is the cause of a problem they create and the solution they create. We are being farmed in this way.

I follow an eastern, Tai-Chi spirituality. I am also Gnostic. I understand where Pythagoras was coming from....I recognize certain repeating patterns in all of nature. There's just too many labels, ya know?

Last Edited by flashlight on 10/05/2012 03:20 PM

You calling GOD a liar?
Thats just messed us right thare.

Aaaaaand here we go with this merry go round again. Who's to say God wrote this or that? The people who say God wrote this or that are the ones in control.

So, if we just find "our true purpose and identity" then all would be good? What about issues mankind faces that are beyond human fixing? For example, nuclear radiation... the Fukushima disaster is a prime example. You do realize that the situation that's been created -3 reactors in meltdown and the 4th about to explode whilst nuclear radiation is being spued out and polluting the world- was created on purpose and that it can't be stopped by human efforts? Not even if all governments miraculously decided to put their differences aside and work together to accomplish it. (eg, get on Youtube and search for "On Fukushima Beach FULL" for a sobering documentary of the reality of the situation; they talk about this calamity alone has the potential of being an "extinction level event" as in it could wipe humanity off the face of the planet).

Now, if you can show me how new age thinking offers a real solutions to the nuclear genocide situation... and all other maladies facing mankind... to wit:

- suffering
- old age
- sickness
- war
- racism
- corruption
- greed
- injustices of all kinds
- death
- starvation/famine
- social classes
- earthquakes

If you can show me how it'll solve any of those, I'll be willing to listen. And, just FYI, the Bible offers solutions to all of these... God's Kingdom will accomplish all of that and more.

Only God knows the future as we find in the Bible no man could know what was written including the coming of Jesus Messiah 600 BC given the exact year fulfilled, and more. History confirms the Bible not your pagan beliefs.

Atheism is NWO lies - fact.

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