Why are christians so fucking arrogant?

Your ether with HIM or against HIM,I mean the SON OF MAN in the FLESH. It's obvious thous who know,are against HIM. It'll be 10years after shortly,you might want to listen to their music!!

You Go Monty!!!...

Freyja,

Yes, Christianity does teach a duality between light and darkness, good and evil. And I think that this duality reflects the truth ... though in the past I was indeed in the other camp of "nonduality." Duality meaning that "evil" has a separate innate existence apart from God and God's pure Being. As to the origin of this duality, infinite books and speculations have been penned from every persuasion, including Christian. This is the age-old question regarding the purpose and origin of good and evil. "Free will" is one of the common arguments or porposed solutions, but there are many problems associated with that as well.

But just to be fair, many non-Christian and esoteric philosphies also teach duality -- in Hinduism there are dualist and non-dualists schools of thought. Certainly western occultism such as Rosicrucianism teaches duality, and the existence of evil as a separate force to be resisted and transcended.

And most of all, gnostics are dualists -- they even believe the physical material world and the flesh is evil, created by a lesser Demiurge who entrapped souls in flesh. It amuses me when gnostics decry Christianity for its dualism and for YHWH being evil -- because gnosticism is the ultimate in dualism. No "oneness of all" taught there! It's a mistake to think that most esoteric or occult thought is non-dualistic.

Mystical thought is more along the lines that all beings share an innate ontological divine identity. Even the Bible could be said to hint at that ... man was created in the image and likeness of God. But it extends that to saying that something "happened" to distort that image of God -- the so-called "fall of man" from some original state into one now dominated by sin, illusion, and separation. And there are many parallels to that in gnosticism and occultism.

I think this entire discussion about duality versus non-duality is defined by what level of reality of the divine plan one observes it from. I believe that ultimately all things will be re-gathered into One via Christ. But that comes from God identifying with man and raising man -- not man "striving" or evolving through some innate capacity or inclination. This is grace ... not karma.

what creates a shadow?
you could say a light creates shadow

but, really, whatever BLOCKS the light creates the shadow, right?

so, is the shadow a "part" of the light?
or does the shadow reveal a "blockage" of the light?

of course God is all light and no darkness is in Him

from the apostle John who knew Jesus in the flesh:
This then is the message which we have heard of him, and declare unto you, that God is light, and in him is no darkness at all

43505,
Yes, no duality in God, who is Light. I meant that there is duality in the universe, due to the existence of evil.

good thing the duality is temporary, not eternal

47217

beautiful and you are so very truthful when you speak of grace.

it is challenging to speak of non duality IMHO even from the state of grace...it is not as you say a striving but a place you wake up in.

i can see the truth of duality if i intellectualize it...but speaking from my heart it is not there.

>>christianity is the low rung on the ladder...i guess one becomes arrogant on the first rung knowing the ground is only six inches from their ass.<<

Hi Freyja:



That's me. Down here on rung 1 of the ladder. Thought I'd say Hi on this "Christians are arrogant thread". Can you hear me all the way down here...

christians got off the ladder
that's why they hate us
we invalidate their high climb

this is a good question...

what if you finally reach the top of the ladder, but only then realize it's leaning against the wrong wall?

I apologoze for that...i was being flippant and arrogant.

Please excuse my lapse of compassion for all others.

I know that in truth we are all perfect where we are in every moment.

I am so sorry.

The SON is created in likeness of the FATHER. The SON OF MAN.Everything is prophesy of the TIME of the END,as humans know it. That is why,HE is here today in the FLESH,to fulfill prophesy. The book is written of HIM,the SECOND COMING!!!

Well Freyja:

You don't have to apologize. I'm just funnin' ya. We Christians do have a sense of humour, you know.



Jesus loves us all.

all eyes will see Him when he arrives

don't go out into the desert when someone says " he is here"

thank you for your graciousness.

MRK:13;26,they shall see the SON of MAN Matt:16:28 they shall see the SON of MAN. Matt"24:30 All the (tribes) will mourn.and THEY will see the SON of MAN. (All) tribes will mourn were does it say all will see the SECOND COMING

words of Jesus:
(concerning the time of His return)
[23] Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not.
[24] For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.
[25] Behold, I have told you before.
[26] Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth: behold, he is in the secret chambers; believe it not.
[27] For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.

not secret
but highly visible by all, as lightning is when it flashes in the sky

REV;12;12.satan KNOWS,he has a short time;LK:10:18, I saw satan fall like lightning from heaven.MT.24:27 as lightning comes from east and flashes to the west,as is the second coming.So,you people who know,you are of satan you lie,and deceit thous who believe. Nothing but a ring of devil worshipers that know your time is short.My FATHER in HEAVEN is not going to like your witholding bastards.

>>"if you take the greed for heaven and the fear of hell/devil out of christianity very few so-called christians would be one..."<<

Hi, L.E.

I know you were taking a jab at Christians when you made your post, but this statement of yours is quite thought-provoking.

If there were no punishments and no rewards, would I still follow, obey, and love God for no other reason than because it is the right thing to do? Would I still seek to love my neighbor as myself solely because it is right? Even if when all was said and done, I would not go to either heaven or hell?

Of course, I do believe there will be a judgment with punishments and rewards meted out, but still your comment was most thought-provoking.

They say they are Christian...but their not.

'Save me Jesus' they shout.

They are a disgrace to the life of Jesus and for that matter god as a whole.

Just take a look around and the stench of ignorance is overwhelming.

Armageddon, rapture, the anit-christ....if only they knew(-:

What would Jesus think today...NOT that he is coming back!!!!. He would be ashamed of a lot of people. 'Why did they not learn my teachings'...'why do they ignore what i have taught?' he would say. Why have you let yourselves be manipulated by evil.

Good point, why have most 'Christians' allowed themsleves to be manipulated by evil.??? (((-:

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Manipulated little people, get your head out of the sand.
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Im in a good mood, but political correctness can take a hike in my book.((-:

43505
"[7] Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth.
[8] Now as Jannes and Jambres withstood Moses, so do these also resist the truth: men of corrupt minds, reprobate concerning the faith.
[9] But they shall proceed no further: for their folly shall be manifest unto all men, as theirs also was."

As ever, quoting from the bible.
People of all faiths are forever quoting from their own good book, so how can we possibly know which one is the truth, they all think their version is the truth.
I have no doubt that there will be some truth in the bible,as there will be in the quoran, but the bible has been corrupted so many times throughout history, that to actually nail down which is truth and which is false is going to be a tough job.
Unless of course you have blind faith, which means you can be led to believe in anything.
As for me, I shall keep seeking truth within books, then seek to go beyond that point.

Why is monty so fucking arrogant towards Christians?

Born again,through the blood of CHRIST.There's only ONE who's born AGAIN.Meaning SECOND COMING,through HIM,is ETERNAL life.ON EARTH. When you die I guess everyone will see what happens. But, for most of you liars,who make things up,as you go,who have nothing to lose,cause you've already sold your soul. Nothing scares you BOYS. "STAND AT MY RIGHT HAND TILL I MAKE YOUR ENEMIES YOUR FOOTSTOOL"

everyone is to their own, these days.
you carn't just say that christains are arrogant.
you could get a jew or a muslim who are just as arrogant.

why do you make christains to be arrogant ?

i'm not a christain but this is how conflict arises when you sterotype people.

46624..
Are you one of the ships of Chittum?
If your learned you will understand.

I am a Christian. I used to be happy believing what I believed and letting others do the same. It occurred to me that if I truly believed in a Heaven and Hell and God and eternal life then I had a duty to THEM to share my understanding. In the same way, perhaps, as I would want to share my knowledge about a portal to a parallell utopian dimension.
I feel like people should be free to worship or not worship whomever they choose. I also cannot stop telling others that the portal exists, even if they are disinterested in my message, because I believe they are in danger. I try to spread my message by the way I live, not by preaching at someone. My God has to be ashamed of the church today. With it's constant attitude of condemnation, "club member" type snobiness and fear of being associated with people that don't fit the mold. Christ hung out with sinners and rebuked the Pharisees and Saducees for living as religious hypocrites. That's what we as Christians should be doing, living like Jesus did. It's no wonder people dont want any part of Christianity, they see Christians as complete hypocrites. Until we can get back to trying to live lives modeled after Jesus, the church is going to continue to lose the faith of the communities in which they reside.