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Obama Policy Advisor OKs US Military Intervention in Syria - Obama says he stands behind Turkey after Erdogan says "Not Far from War"

 
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Obama Policy Advisor OKs US Military Intervention in Syria - Obama says he stands behind Turkey after Erdogan says "Not Far from War"
Sounds like a No-Fly Zone is just around the corner.

Stay tuned for updates.

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The IDF’s top intelligence officers toured the Golan Heights on Thursday in preparation for the possible disintegration of the Syrian regime and its expected ramifications.

IDF Military Intelligence chief Maj. Gen. Aviv Kochavi and senior Military Intelligence officers discussed “how to adapt the tools, intelligence collection methods, and research of Military Intelligence to the threats in the region.”

Kochavi said that predictions the Golan would soon be a frontier with Syria’s 18-month-long civil war were quickly coming true.

“The battles between the armed opposition rebels and the Syrian army are no longer occurring only far away from the border, but are taking place a mere several kilometers away,” he said.

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Re: Obama Policy Advisor OKs US Military Intervention in Syria - Obama says he stands behind Turkey after Erdogan says "Not Far from War"
so no fly zone is imminent (hours? days? weeks? months?) because of some FSA guys captured an air defense base?

hmm i can't see this coming soon..
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Re: Obama Policy Advisor OKs US Military Intervention in Syria - Obama says he stands behind Turkey after Erdogan says "Not Far from War"
ISTANBUL — Turkey’s Parliament on Thursday authorized further military action against Syria as Turkish forces fired a second round of artillery across the border, threatening to escalate a confrontation that has highlighted Turkey’s fraught double role as it tries to stay out of direct involvement in the fight against President Bashar al-Assad while offering haven and support to the rebels.

Inside the war-battered country, news reports said on Friday, government warplanes and artillery pounded parts of the central city of Homs while, outside Damascus, the capital, rebels said they fought back against government advances, capturing an air defense base with a cache of missiles on Thursday.

Reinforcing the claim, video posted on YouTube showed rebels clad in military uniform in front of a military installation with black smoke spiraling upwards. Another video showed rebels inspecting a weapons cache which included what appeared to be part of a surface-to-air missile, but it seemed unlikely that the insurgents would be able to fire it

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Re: Obama Policy Advisor OKs US Military Intervention in Syria - Obama says he stands behind Turkey after Erdogan says "Not Far from War"
so no fly zone is imminent (hours? days? weeks? months?) because of some FSA guys captured an air defense base?

hmm i can't see this coming soon..
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Phase one of implementing a no-fly zone is when special ops capture as many SAM sites as they can.
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No fly zone imminent! LOL! Not even close.
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FSA Commander

FSA special forces units have captured an air defense base with a cache of missiles near Damascus

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Re: Obama Policy Advisor OKs US Military Intervention in Syria - Obama says he stands behind Turkey after Erdogan says "Not Far from War"
because one anti air base got captured, syria anti air capabilities are all thrown out?

dumb...
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No fly zone imminent! LOL! Not even close.
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Ye, much more likely more missile strikes into Turkey. The rebels alone are unlikely to be able to operate any of the weapons systems on base and it would be unwise for forign special forces to move onto the base as Assads troops will take control of it again within a couple of weeks. It would be hard to explain SAS troops on the base when assads tanks roll in.
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because one anti air base got captured, syria anti air capabilities are all thrown out?

dumb...
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Expect more
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Syrian rebels say they captured an air defense base with a cache of missiles outside Damascus, a rare advance in a city where President Bashar Assad's forces have them on the back foot.

A video posted on YouTube shows dozens of rebels dressed in army fatigues celebrating as black smoke rises from a military installation behind them.

A middle-aged man holding an assault rifle says the assault on the base, in the Eastern Ghouta area was carried out by a rebel battalion from the town of Douma - both places are a few miles east of the capital.

Rebels say the operation happened on Thursday.

Syrian rebels are vastly outgunned by the army and have few ways to fend off continuous air attacks. Another video showed rebels at the base's weapons cache which included what appeared to a be part of a surface-air-missile.

[link to www.haaretz.com]
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Syrian rebels say they captured an air defense base with a cache of missiles outside Damascus, a rare advance in a city where President Bashar Assad's forces have them on the back foot.

A video posted on YouTube shows dozens of rebels dressed in army fatigues celebrating as black smoke rises from a military installation behind them.

A middle-aged man holding an assault rifle says the assault on the base, in the Eastern Ghouta area was carried out by a rebel battalion from the town of Douma - both places are a few miles east of the capital.

Rebels say the operation happened on Thursday.

Syrian rebels are vastly outgunned by the army and have few ways to fend off continuous air attacks. Another video showed rebels at the base's weapons cache which included what appeared to a be part of a surface-air-missile.

[link to www.haaretz.com]
 Quoting: DoorBert


And the next paragraph:

"It is unlikely that rebels have the ability to fire the missile but they might be able to use the explosives to make improvised bombs. When rebels have captured army bases in other parts of the country during the 18-month-old revolt, fighter jets have bombed the sites shortly afterwards.

It was not possible to independently verify the videos."
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Syrian rebels say they captured an air defense base with a cache of missiles outside Damascus, a rare advance in a city where President Bashar Assad's forces have them on the back foot.

A video posted on YouTube shows dozens of rebels dressed in army fatigues celebrating as black smoke rises from a military installation behind them.

A middle-aged man holding an assault rifle says the assault on the base, in the Eastern Ghouta area was carried out by a rebel battalion from the town of Douma - both places are a few miles east of the capital.

Rebels say the operation happened on Thursday.

Syrian rebels are vastly outgunned by the army and have few ways to fend off continuous air attacks. Another video showed rebels at the base's weapons cache which included what appeared to a be part of a surface-air-missile.

[link to www.haaretz.com]
 Quoting: DoorBert


And the next paragraph:

"It is unlikely that rebels have the ability to fire the missile but they might be able to use the explosives to make improvised bombs. When rebels have captured army bases in other parts of the country during the 18-month-old revolt, fighter jets have bombed the sites shortly afterwards.

It was not possible to independently verify the videos."
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 25002504


so we have rebels who cant controll these SAMs and we can read that this happened before and the installations getting bombed shortly after

both together we can say that OPs opinion on an no fly zone is just around the corner is very very unrealistic

hf
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Where do you read about the no fly zone?
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 Quoting: DoorBert


this video was also uploaded on oct 1st, so its either an other base or they just reported it today



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so we have rebels who cant controll these SAMs and we can read that this happened before and the installations getting bombed shortly after

both together we can say that OPs opinion on an no fly zone is just around the corner is very very unrealistic

hf
 Quoting: Ger_reG


How soon you all forget

[link to shadow.foreignpolicy.com]

US and Turkey to consider no-fly zones for Syria

[link to rt.com]


The Nuts and Bolts of a No-Fly Zone in Libya

QUESTION: What would it actually take to implement a no-fly zone?

ANSWER: The first thing that would have to happen is we would have to bring in aircraft to take out the enemy surface to air missile systems and enemy fighters that are on the ground.

[link to abcnews.go.com]
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so we have rebels who cant controll these SAMs and we can read that this happened before and the installations getting bombed shortly after

both together we can say that OPs opinion on an no fly zone is just around the corner is very very unrealistic

hf
 Quoting: Ger_reG


How soon you all forget

[link to shadow.foreignpolicy.com]

US and Turkey to consider no-fly zones for Syria

[link to rt.com]


The Nuts and Bolts of a No-Fly Zone in Libya

QUESTION: What would it actually take to implement a no-fly zone?

ANSWER: The first thing that would have to happen is we would have to bring in aircraft to take out the enemy surface to air missile systems and enemy fighters that are on the ground.

[link to abcnews.go.com]
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thats not wrong, BUT:
again,
1. FSA captured SAMs long before
2. now it's just ONE base
i would agree if suddenly a lot of SAMs getting captured
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Re: Obama Policy Advisor OKs US Military Intervention in Syria - Obama says he stands behind Turkey after Erdogan says "Not Far from War"
This is the video from today at the captured SAM site

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Syria orders military to stay 10 km away from Turkish border to avoid confrontation

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bump
Morning Doorbert!cheers
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bump
Morning Doorbert!cheers
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Morning IFUN

cheers
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FSA Captures Long-Range Missiles



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again 22,000,000 Syrians and no one can account for them and their support for Assad.

Clutching at straws much?

I didn't realise that using IED's and suicide bombers to gain power wasn't terrorism.
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again 22,000,000 Syrians and no one can account for them and their support for Assad.

Clutching at straws much?

I didn't realise that using IED's and suicide bombers to gain power wasn't terrorism.
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How do you get Australia to come up?
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Activists report shooting down an #Assad regime warplane by FSA in Damascus countryside
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SkyNews: A jet fighter was downed a while ago by the FSA near #Damascus.

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Cheers for the update DoorBert.
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Cheers for the update DoorBert.
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cheers
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Damascus Suburbs: Eastern Ghota: The Free Syrian Army shot down a warplane that was shelling the neighborhoods and towns in Eastern Ghota

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Re: Obama Policy Advisor OKs US Military Intervention in Syria - Obama says he stands behind Turkey after Erdogan says "Not Far from War"
1535 GMT: Syria. The Turkish news agency Today's Zaman has a significant claim. Citing another Turkish source, Zaman (which is highly reliable) reports that the Turkish government has ordered the Syrian military to stay at least 10 kilometers away from the border with Turkey, and to avoid firing artillery into that area.

Turkey's ntvmsnbc.com news portal claimed, citing “reliable sources,” that the Syrian regime had ordered all kinds of military aircraft, including warplanes and helicopters, to stay at least 10 kilometers from the Turkish border. The report also said a number of Syrian warplanes which approached within 10 kilometers of the Turkish border despite this warning had been ordered to turn back immediately by Syrian authorities.

This immediately caught our attention, because of a story we covered yesterday. We confirmed that the Turkish government used long-range howitzers capable of hitting targets 40km away, and we also confirmed that positions in Idlib were hit - far more strategicly important to the opposition than al Raqqah, where the cross-border incident took place. But the most important detail was the claim (made by the highly-disreputable-but-occasionally-correct Debka.com) was that the Turks had hit many areas within 10 kilometers of the Turkish border and were specifically targeting artillery bases fairly deep into Syrian territory and fairly far from the Acakale/Tal Abyad region.

In the same Zaman report, we see the first indications from Turkey that Wendesday and Thursday's artillery strikes did damage to Syrian military targets:

According to ntvmsnbc's report, Syria had ascertained that the Turkish artillery fire had killed 10 Syrian soldiers and damaged three tanks and two armored vehicles.

If all this is true, Turkey may have just granted the Syrian opposition the buffer zone that they so crave, as well as access to the entire Syrian border, greatly complicating Assad's efforts to shut down FSA supply routes to the north.

This claim is still unverified, and even if it is true it's not clear that the Assad regime will permanently abandon the strip 10 kilometers south of its border.

[link to www.enduringamerica.com]

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