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Bill introduced in Ohio would effectively ban concealed carry without repealing it.

 
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And there are still gun owners who vote for democrats!!
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more antigun BS from elected officials that want to abolish our rights is what it is.

when even writing such legislation they are not honoring their oath to protect and uphold the constitution.
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No way this passes.


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Don't be surprised. Ohio is a swing state and they voted for Obama in 2008.

Ohio is also a place that is pulling for obama even now after their 2014 electric rates went from $16mw hour to $362mw hour.

Anybody that is willing to let their electric bill go from $200 a month to $1200.00 a month in the name of green energy is bound to vote against guns as well.

I actually see this passing there.
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This is what you get when you vote for Communists/Liberals/Democrats(all same thing just different label) in the office.
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I live in Ohio and this doesn't have one chance in hell of passing.....
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It is already illegal to take a gun onto
private property without the property owners
knowledge and permission.
You bring a gun, ESPECIALLY a concealed gun
onto my property and I will shoot you dead
the second I discover it. No exceptions,
no questions.
I can ONLY assume you came to harm me and
in fear of my life and standing my ground
I defended my life.
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You sound like a total asshole to me. Why would anyone want to visit an asshole?ahole
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I live in Ohio and this doesn't have one chance in hell of passing.....
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It is already illegal to take a gun onto
private property without the property owners
knowledge and permission.
You bring a gun, ESPECIALLY a concealed gun
onto my property and I will shoot you dead
the second I discover it. No exceptions,
no questions.
I can ONLY assume you came to harm me and
in fear of my life and standing my ground
I defended my life.
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All that would get you is the right to be someones prison bitch. How can my LCP tucked into a holster in my back pocket be a threat to you. Good luck in court after that one.
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It is already illegal to take a gun onto
private property without the property owners
knowledge and permission.
You bring a gun, ESPECIALLY a concealed gun
onto my property and I will shoot you dead
the second I discover it. No exceptions,
no questions.
I can ONLY assume you came to harm me and
in fear of my life and standing my ground
I defended my life.
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And that would be murder.


I'm one of the biggest gun nuts here, and even I would convict you of murder if you did this.

Go ahead, blaze away ...see where it gets you.
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Re: Bill introduced in Ohio would effectively ban concealed carry without repealing it.
It is already illegal to take a gun onto
private property without the property owners
knowledge and permission.
You bring a gun, ESPECIALLY a concealed gun
onto my property and I will shoot you dead
the second I discover it. No exceptions,
no questions.
I can ONLY assume you came to harm me and
in fear of my life and standing my ground
I defended my life.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 24804298


Well i hope your a good shot.People who talk like you cant shoot for shit...LOL...
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It is already illegal to take a gun onto
private property without the property owners
knowledge and permission.
You bring a gun, ESPECIALLY a concealed gun
onto my property and I will shoot you dead
the second I discover it. No exceptions,
no questions.
I can ONLY assume you came to harm me and
in fear of my life and standing my ground
I defended my life.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 24804298


As a CCW holder myself, you sir are a fucking moran, and the reason a lot of people misunderstand firearms owners.

Sure, go Rambo asshole. Let's see where that gets you.
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This is what you get when you vote for Communists/Liberals/Democrats(all same thing just different label) in the office.
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this is all coming out of the united nations folks
theyre goal is to disarm the globe. go tothe un site and read it yourself


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It is already illegal to take a gun onto
private property without the property owners
knowledge and permission.
You bring a gun, ESPECIALLY a concealed gun
onto my property and I will shoot you dead
the second I discover it. No exceptions,
no questions.
I can ONLY assume you came to harm me and
in fear of my life and standing my ground
I defended my life.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 24804298


You sir,and use that term loosely, are a damn idiot and the reason that the left is trying to use BS such as this to circumvent the Constitution.
 Quoting: Gasman28110


Hey idiot, there is NO valid reason to circumvent the constitution NONE.
Any one who does so is a traitor and should be dealt with accordingly.
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And another thing: every year I get an influx of morons from the city trespassing on my property to hunt dear.
My property is clearly marked.
I have been shot at more than once by some idiot that thought I was a dear, and I can show you the bullet holes in my shed which is only a short walk from my house.
Now I go into the woods armed, if you point a gun at me you are a dead man.
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Again, fuck you asshole - if it's such a problem call the game warden or sheriff. You sound like a psycho that wants to get his rocks off by gunning down hunters.

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Article; Two Ohio Democrat State Representatives, Bill Patmon and Ted Celeste, are co-sponsoring a bill "to generally prohibit a person from having a firearm on privately owned land or premises unless the person owns, controls, or resides on or in the land or premises, has permission of the owner or person who controls the land or premises and, if the land or premises is rental property, of the tenant when required, or is the tenant with respect to those premises." The bill specifies that it "applies to any person, including a concealed handgun licensee."



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 Quoting: Chrit


Pray for these two. They work directly for the illuminutties. Maybe that's why the crazies that be are trying to convince us of the reality of a zombie apocalypse - they want US to be the zombies, like Bill Patmon and Ted Celeste!

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It is already illegal to take a gun onto
private property without the property owners
knowledge and permission.
You bring a gun, ESPECIALLY a concealed gun
onto my property and I will shoot you dead
the second I discover it. No exceptions,
no questions.
I can ONLY assume you came to harm me and
in fear of my life and standing my ground
I defended my life.
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Your a fearful, faithless, and Godless little mouse. You will be eaten someday out of your fear of life.
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It is already illegal to take a gun onto
private property without the property owners
knowledge and permission.
You bring a gun, ESPECIALLY a concealed gun
onto my property and I will shoot you dead
the second I discover it. No exceptions,
no questions.
I can ONLY assume you came to harm me and
in fear of my life and standing my ground
I defended my life.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 24804298


Then there's no need for this "law", is there.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 25002222


And that's why YOU shouldn't have a gun.


There's a difference between vigilance, and ignorance.

You've obviously forgotten how to operate a firearm in special circumstances.


Someone who came to hurt you would have drawn their gun before they got to the door.


Would you invite someone in you didn't know?



your argument is elementary, and arbitrary aside from that.
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Based on the language of the proposed bill that has the words “person owns, controls” caused me to do some additional research on “who owns the property when it is mortgaged.”

While I trust nothing on the WWW when it comes to legal issues, I did find something that makes me take pause …

In some states, known as "title theory" states, the lender keeps the title and owns the house until the borrower pays off the loan. In "lien theory" states, the borrower holds the title and owns the house, but the mortgage note gives the lender the right to seize and sell the house for non-payment.
(found the above here [link to homeguides.sfgate.com]

If Ohio is a “Title Theory” State, then this proposed law could mean that the mortgage holder would need to provide permission to have a gun on “their” property.

Have fun with this little twist …
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I was wondering about that.
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That bullshit would never fly in Dixie. You Yankees are slaves.
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I say VOTE the MoFo's out1111

"Two Ohio Democrat State Representatives, Bill Patmon and Ted Celeste"
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This is how they want to circumvent CCW without repealing CCW. This tactic will be coming to your state soon, be aware!

You would not even be allowed to have a gun in your own apartment or rented home without permission.



Article; Two Ohio Democrat State Representatives, Bill Patmon and Ted Celeste, are co-sponsoring a bill "to generally prohibit a person from having a firearm on privately owned land or premises unless the person owns, controls, or resides on or in the land or premises, has permission of the owner or person who controls the land or premises and, if the land or premises is rental property, of the tenant when required, or is the tenant with respect to those premises." The bill specifies that it "applies to any person, including a concealed handgun licensee."

HB595 would essentially reverse current law, which allows concealed carry on private property unless a sign is posted requesting that law-abiding CHL-holders stay out, and replace it with a requirement that CHLs would need to obtain permission to carry almost anywhere they go. That permission could come in the form of a sign specifically granting permission to CHL-holders, or by the CHL-holder obtaining permission either orally or in writing. The bill would even require non-tenants on rented or leased property to obtain permission to bring a firearm on the property. Short of obtaining that permission, the gun owner or concealed handgun licensee would not be allowed to go on the property, visit a place of business, or even to keep a gun in their friend's apartment or place of business (if they lease).


[link to www.buckeyefirearms.org]
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Jurors have the Constitutional right to nullify illegal and unfair laws. One juror has the right to stop the prosecution of a person charged with breaking any law he deems unfair.

A juror on the bench has more power than the President or the Supreme Court.

People need to know this because it's the most basic principle of checks and balances included in the Constitution by the framers of our Republic.

A juror does not have to follow the instructions of the judge. One man can stop an unfair law.
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Even if it passed .. I think it would get the big veto
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If you rent or lease property it should be your property within the rental or lease period and you should be able to use it as you wish. I own private property and I do not want people coming onto it with guns. I do get an occasional stray hunter and that's ok because I know what they're doing. Random people from the world, no stay away!
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Another reason I'm glad I live in Tennessee. Coming back from the range yesterday, I stopped into Krogers before going home. I was open carrying a Tarus Judge (.45/.410) and no one even batted an eye.
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This is how they want to circumvent CCW without repealing CCW. This tactic will be coming to your state soon, be aware!

You would not even be allowed to have a gun in your own apartment or rented home without permission.



Article; Two Ohio Democrat State Representatives, Bill Patmon and Ted Celeste, are co-sponsoring a bill "to generally prohibit a person from having a firearm on privately owned land or premises unless the person owns, controls, or resides on or in the land or premises, has permission of the owner or person who controls the land or premises and, if the land or premises is rental property, of the tenant when required, or is the tenant with respect to those premises." The bill specifies that it "applies to any person, including a concealed handgun licensee."

HB595 would essentially reverse current law, which allows concealed carry on private property unless a sign is posted requesting that law-abiding CHL-holders stay out, and replace it with a requirement that CHLs would need to obtain permission to carry almost anywhere they go. That permission could come in the form of a sign specifically granting permission to CHL-holders, or by the CHL-holder obtaining permission either orally or in writing. The bill would even require non-tenants on rented or leased property to obtain permission to bring a firearm on the property. Short of obtaining that permission, the gun owner or concealed handgun licensee would not be allowed to go on the property, visit a place of business, or even to keep a gun in their friend's apartment or place of business (if they lease).


[link to www.buckeyefirearms.org]
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Jurors have the Constitutional right to nullify illegal and unfair laws. One juror has the right to stop the prosecution of a person charged with breaking any law he deems unfair.

A juror on the bench has more power than the President or the Supreme Court.

People need to know this because it's the most basic principle of checks and balances included in the Constitution by the framers of our Republic.

A juror does not have to follow the instructions of the judge. One man can stop an unfair law.

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TPTB don't want you to know about jury nullification. Jurors have the right to judge not only the facts of the case but the law itself and exercise their own conscience as to the rightness or wrongness of the law itself.
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This is how they want to circumvent CCW without repealing CCW. This tactic will be coming to your state soon, be aware!

You would not even be allowed to have a gun in your own apartment or rented home without permission.



Article; Two Ohio Democrat State Representatives, Bill Patmon and Ted Celeste, are co-sponsoring a bill "to generally prohibit a person from having a firearm on privately owned land or premises unless the person owns, controls, or resides on or in the land or premises, has permission of the owner or person who controls the land or premises and, if the land or premises is rental property, of the tenant when required, or is the tenant with respect to those premises." The bill specifies that it "applies to any person, including a concealed handgun licensee."

HB595 would essentially reverse current law, which allows concealed carry on private property unless a sign is posted requesting that law-abiding CHL-holders stay out, and replace it with a requirement that CHLs would need to obtain permission to carry almost anywhere they go. That permission could come in the form of a sign specifically granting permission to CHL-holders, or by the CHL-holder obtaining permission either orally or in writing. The bill would even require non-tenants on rented or leased property to obtain permission to bring a firearm on the property. Short of obtaining that permission, the gun owner or concealed handgun licensee would not be allowed to go on the property, visit a place of business, or even to keep a gun in their friend's apartment or place of business (if they lease).


[link to www.buckeyefirearms.org]
 Quoting: Chrit


Jurors have the Constitutional right to nullify illegal and unfair laws. One juror has the right to stop the prosecution of a person charged with breaking any law he deems unfair.

A juror on the bench has more power than the President or the Supreme Court.

People need to know this because it's the most basic principle of checks and balances included in the Constitution by the framers of our Republic.

A juror does not have to follow the instructions of the judge. One man can stop an unfair law.

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TPTB don't want you to know about jury nullification. Jurors have the right to judge not only the facts of the case but the law itself and exercise their own conscience as to the rightness or wrongness of the law itself.

Also be aware there have been cases where juries have found someone not guilty of the main charges and guilty of lesser charges.

And because the judge disagreed with the verdict gave a heavy punitive sentence for the lesser charge.

It is an end run around the intent of a jury.
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And there are still gun owners who vote for democrats!!
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And there are still NRA Democrats and other democrats who
are not gung-ho on gun control. And there are states like
Massachusetts where Romney is coming from that have the
strictest gun control laws in the country. Last time I was
in that area it was not even legal to carry a hunting rifle
into Massachusetts without a special permit and it was
very difficult to get a permit to even own a handgun.

Remember they all said Obama was going to be a big threat
to gun owners and so far no gun legislation coming out of
congress; I believe the Democrats have learned that gun
control is not popular with a substantial majority of the
American public. Also remember that Obama signed into law
a bill that now allows possession of guns on Federal Land
{I believe it is in the National Parks}.
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And there are still gun owners who vote for democrats!!
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And there are still NRA Democrats and other democrats who
are not gung-ho on gun control. And there are states like
Massachusetts where Romney is coming from that have the
strictest gun control laws in the country. Last time I was
in that area it was not even legal to carry a hunting rifle
into Massachusetts without a special permit and it was
very difficult to get a permit to even own a handgun.

Remember they all said Obama was going to be a big threat
to gun owners and so far no gun legislation coming out of
congress; I believe the Democrats have learned that gun
control is not popular with a substantial majority of the
American public. Also remember that Obama signed into law
a bill that now allows possession of guns on Federal Land
{I believe it is in the National Parks}.
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yes obama did sign the bill that allows carry in National parks where state law allows.

I suspect he did so for other reasons than being pro second amendment.
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So we have a bill that would effectively ban having a gun in any way if you do not own the property without written permission and at the same time we have the department of housing and urban development getting in to the rental game. No way will the government give you permission that is for sure.

And yes the bill says you can have a gun with oral or written permission, but we all know oral will not cut it if you have to go to court, the landlord could flip flop on you and then you’re in serious trouble, so you NEED written permission to have a gun.


Then the one AC brings up a great point, do you or does the bank holding your note own your house,? Will you need permission from the bank if you have a house payment? No way a bank would say you can have a gun, puts them in a legal position, they will never do it for anyone.
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