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Anonymous Coward User ID: 20766750 United States 10/05/2012 06:57 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | This is how they want to circumvent CCW without repealing CCW. This tactic will be coming to your state soon, be aware! Quoting: Chrit You would not even be allowed to have a gun in your own apartment or rented home without permission. Article; Two Ohio Democrat State Representatives, Bill Patmon and Ted Celeste, are co-sponsoring a bill "to generally prohibit a person from having a firearm on privately owned land or premises unless the person owns, controls, or resides on or in the land or premises, has permission of the owner or person who controls the land or premises and, if the land or premises is rental property, of the tenant when required, or is the tenant with respect to those premises." The bill specifies that it "applies to any person, including a concealed handgun licensee." HB595 would essentially reverse current law, which allows concealed carry on private property unless a sign is posted requesting that law-abiding CHL-holders stay out, and replace it with a requirement that CHLs would need to obtain permission to carry almost anywhere they go. That permission could come in the form of a sign specifically granting permission to CHL-holders, or by the CHL-holder obtaining permission either orally or in writing. The bill would even require non-tenants on rented or leased property to obtain permission to bring a firearm on the property. Short of obtaining that permission, the gun owner or concealed handgun licensee would not be allowed to go on the property, visit a place of business, or even to keep a gun in their friend's apartment or place of business (if they lease). [link to www.buckeyefirearms.org] |
Chrit (OP) User ID: 15366081 United States 10/05/2012 07:01 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Lot of this bill is fear mongering touted to people who have never been around a gun and just have hollywood ideas about guns & no real world experience with them. Full bill linked here [link to www.legislature.state.oh.us] I'm only human, it's my biggest flaw. We must all realize a sink a chair and a pillow are all luxuries of home and a soldiers helmet takes the place of all three. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 25002222 United States 10/05/2012 07:10 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | It is already illegal to take a gun onto Quoting: Anonymous Coward 24804298 private property without the property owners knowledge and permission. You bring a gun, ESPECIALLY a concealed gun onto my property and I will shoot you dead the second I discover it. No exceptions, no questions. I can ONLY assume you came to harm me and in fear of my life and standing my ground I defended my life. Then there's no need for this "law", is there. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 23022509 United States 10/05/2012 07:13 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | It is already illegal to take a gun onto Quoting: Anonymous Coward 24804298 private property without the property owners knowledge and permission. You bring a gun, ESPECIALLY a concealed gun onto my property and I will shoot you dead the second I discover it. No exceptions, no questions. I can ONLY assume you came to harm me and in fear of my life and standing my ground I defended my life. You are a fucking idiot. Common practice here. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 24804298 United States 10/05/2012 07:16 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Eminent Domain with Guns is what OP supports. Private Property should not be taken without permission or contract and nobody should have a right to enter private property without permission or contract ESPECIALLY armed and most certainly not with concealed weapons. WINNSBORO, Texas, October 5, 2012 (ENS) – Eleanor Fairchild, 78, was arrested Thursday for trespassing on her own ranch as she tried to halt construction of TransCanada’s Keystone XL pipeline. The pipeline is being built by the Canadian company to carry diluted bitumen from the Alberta tar sands to refineries on the Gulf of Mexico. Actress and activist Daryl Hannah was also arrested as the two women stood in front of an excavator sent by TransCanada to clear trees along the pipeline route bisecting the east Texas ranch. Law enforcement officials arrest actress Daryl Hannah and Eleanor Fairchild as they block TransCanada tree-clearing equipment. October 4, 2012 (Photo courtesy Tar Sands Blockade) Early this morning, both Fairchild and Hannah were released from the Wood County jail in Quitman, Texas. They were both charged with criminal trespass; Hannah was additionally charged with resisting arrest. Today both women are in Dallas appearing on TV news broadcasts. TransCanada’s construction crews worked through the night to bulldoze and burn piles of trees on Fairchild’s 300 acre ranch. Fairchild and her husband bought the land near Winnsboro when her husband retired as an oil industry geologist. The Keystone XL pipeline will permanently bisect the 300 acre ranch, which includes undeveloped wetland areas and natural springs producing over 400 gallons of fresh water per minute from her property. Fairchild has been opposed to the pipeline since she was first informed that the route would cross her land years ago. [link to ens-newswire.com] Last Edited by Account Deleted by User on 10/07/2012 10:00 AM |
Chrit (OP) User ID: 15366081 United States 10/05/2012 07:16 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The co-sponsor of the bill is the brother of the former governor of Ohio, Dick Celeste. . I'm only human, it's my biggest flaw. We must all realize a sink a chair and a pillow are all luxuries of home and a soldiers helmet takes the place of all three. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 24804298 United States 10/05/2012 07:18 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | It is already illegal to take a gun onto Quoting: Anonymous Coward 24804298 private property without the property owners knowledge and permission. You bring a gun, ESPECIALLY a concealed gun onto my property and I will shoot you dead the second I discover it. No exceptions, no questions. I can ONLY assume you came to harm me and in fear of my life and standing my ground I defended my life. You are a fucking idiot. Common practice here. Where is here? You bring a gun onto private property here and you can be shot dead by the owner, even if you were invited and failed to ask to bring your gun. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 8398786 United States 10/05/2012 07:18 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | It is already illegal to take a gun onto Quoting: Anonymous Coward 24804298 private property without the property owners knowledge and permission. You bring a gun, ESPECIALLY a concealed gun onto my property and I will shoot you dead the second I discover it. No exceptions, no questions. I can ONLY assume you came to harm me and in fear of my life and standing my ground I defended my life. |
Chrit (OP) User ID: 15366081 United States 10/05/2012 07:34 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Eminent Domain with Guns is what OP supports. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 24804298 Private Property should not be taken without permission or contract and nobody should have a right to enter private property without permission or contract ESPECIALLY armed and most certainly not with concealed weapons. Read it again, you can't even have a gun in your own apartment with this bill there by redefining your rights of private property! The precedence of this is unfathomable, lawyers will eat it up. All the laws to keep armed people off your land are already in place this is different. Besides Piss someone off on their own land? They shot you and call castle law. This bill has nothing to do with any of that. Last, You are forgetting your body is legally private property. Last Edited by Chrit on 10/05/2012 08:12 PM I'm only human, it's my biggest flaw. We must all realize a sink a chair and a pillow are all luxuries of home and a soldiers helmet takes the place of all three. |
Chrit (OP) User ID: 15366081 United States 10/06/2012 01:43 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I don’t think it will either, but they will piece it apart and hide those pieces in other legislative bills all over the country. I'm only human, it's my biggest flaw. We must all realize a sink a chair and a pillow are all luxuries of home and a soldiers helmet takes the place of all three. |
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s. d. butler User ID: 974819 United States 10/07/2012 02:47 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | It is already illegal to take a gun onto Quoting: Anonymous Coward 24804298 private property without the property owners knowledge and permission. You bring a gun, ESPECIALLY a concealed gun onto my property and I will shoot you dead the second I discover it. No exceptions, no questions. I can ONLY assume you came to harm me and in fear of my life and standing my ground I defended my life. Then absent anything else other than the presence of the gun you would be a murderer. |
s. d. butler User ID: 974819 United States 10/07/2012 02:50 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | It is already illegal to take a gun onto Quoting: Anonymous Coward 24804298 private property without the property owners knowledge and permission. You bring a gun, ESPECIALLY a concealed gun onto my property and I will shoot you dead the second I discover it. No exceptions, no questions. I can ONLY assume you came to harm me and in fear of my life and standing my ground I defended my life. You are a fucking idiot. Common practice here. Where is here? You bring a gun onto private property here and you can be shot dead by the owner, even if you were invited and failed to ask to bring your gun. I don't know what universe you live in but no one I know will shoot anyone dead for merely having a sidearm. Are you from one of the eastern states? You sound like a classic hoplophobe who has little experience with OC and weapons and self defense laws in general. You have stated on a public forum that you would murder someone for having a weapon on your property. Last Edited by s. d. butler on 10/07/2012 02:54 AM |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 13166822 United States 10/07/2012 03:07 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | It is already illegal to take a gun onto Quoting: Anonymous Coward 24804298 private property without the property owners knowledge and permission. You bring a gun, ESPECIALLY a concealed gun onto my property and I will shoot you dead the second I discover it. No exceptions, no questions. I can ONLY assume you came to harm me and in fear of my life and standing my ground I defended my life. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 12320884 United States 10/07/2012 03:13 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | It is already illegal to take a gun onto Quoting: Anonymous Coward 24804298 private property without the property owners knowledge and permission. You bring a gun, ESPECIALLY a concealed gun onto my property and I will shoot you dead the second I discover it. No exceptions, no questions. I can ONLY assume you came to harm me and in fear of my life and standing my ground I defended my life. someone report this person to the proper authorities. he just made a terroristic threat |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 24202972 United States 10/07/2012 03:28 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | This is how they want to circumvent CCW without repealing CCW. This tactic will be coming to your state soon, be aware! Quoting: Chrit You would not even be allowed to have a gun in your own apartment or rented home without permission. Article; Two Ohio Democrat State Representatives, Bill Patmon and Ted Celeste, are co-sponsoring a bill "to generally prohibit a person from having a firearm on privately owned land or premises unless the person owns, controls, or resides on or in the land or premises, has permission of the owner or person who controls the land or premises and, if the land or premises is rental property, of the tenant when required, or is the tenant with respect to those premises." The bill specifies that it "applies to any person, including a concealed handgun licensee." HB595 would essentially reverse current law, which allows concealed carry on private property unless a sign is posted requesting that law-abiding CHL-holders stay out, and replace it with a requirement that CHLs would need to obtain permission to carry almost anywhere they go. That permission could come in the form of a sign specifically granting permission to CHL-holders, or by the CHL-holder obtaining permission either orally or in writing. The bill would even require non-tenants on rented or leased property to obtain permission to bring a firearm on the property. Short of obtaining that permission, the gun owner or concealed handgun licensee would not be allowed to go on the property, visit a place of business, or even to keep a gun in their friend's apartment or place of business (if they lease). [link to www.buckeyefirearms.org] "You would not even be allowed to have a gun in your own apartment or rented home without permission." What part of "shall not be infringed" don't these relentless cocksuckers understand? This would be a declaration of war. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 11929805 United States 10/07/2012 03:32 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | It is already illegal to take a gun onto Quoting: Anonymous Coward 24804298 private property without the property owners knowledge and permission. You bring a gun, ESPECIALLY a concealed gun onto my property and I will shoot you dead the second I discover it. No exceptions, no questions. I can ONLY assume you came to harm me and in fear of my life and standing my ground I defended my life. You are a fucking idiot. Common practice here. Where is here? You bring a gun onto private property here and you can be shot dead by the owner, even if you were invited and failed to ask to bring your gun. LULZ. Go ahead and shoot someone legally carrying a CCW for knocking on your door because their car broke down and you will be thrown in prison, tough guy. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 24202972 United States 10/07/2012 03:32 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Eminent Domain with Guns is what OP supports. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 24804298 Private Property should not be taken without permission or contract and nobody should have a right to enter private property without permission or contract ESPECIALLY armed and most certainly not with concealed weapons. Read it again, you can't even have a gun in your own apartment with this bill there by redefining your rights of private property! The precedence of this is unfathomable, lawyers will eat it up. All the laws to keep armed people off your land are already in place this is different. Besides Piss someone off on their own land? They shot you and call castle law. This bill has nothing to do with any of that. Last, You are forgetting your body is legally private property. :colordiv::colordiv3::colordiv2: Oh yeah? Tell that to the TSA. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 1505880 United States 10/07/2012 03:43 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | the reason that the united states is doomed is because we the people believed the elected and judicial were honest people as we are. We trusted criminals. Now our own tax money is used to pay treasonous assholes to post idiotic crap on every serious message board to confuse the issues. absolutely doomed |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 25084779 United States 10/07/2012 03:45 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | It is already illegal to take a gun onto Quoting: Anonymous Coward 24804298 private property without the property owners knowledge and permission. You bring a gun, ESPECIALLY a concealed gun onto my property and I will shoot you dead the second I discover it. No exceptions, no questions. I can ONLY assume you came to harm me and in fear of my life and standing my ground I defended my life. You are a fucking idiot. Common practice here. Where is here? You bring a gun onto private property here and you can be shot dead by the owner, even if you were invited and failed to ask to bring your gun. In Arkansas you will then be charged with Capital Murder unless that person pulled the gun and threatened you with it. You would be found guilty and you would be executed. What kind of coward shoots someone unless that person is threatening them? |
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MuayThai User ID: 25096553 Philippines 10/07/2012 04:19 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | It is already illegal to take a gun onto Quoting: Anonymous Coward 24804298 private property without the property owners knowledge and permission. You bring a gun, ESPECIALLY a concealed gun onto my property and I will shoot you dead the second I discover it. No exceptions, no questions. I can ONLY assume you came to harm me and in fear of my life and standing my ground I defended my life. People like you give gun owners a bad name. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 25111082 Spain 10/07/2012 05:01 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | It is already illegal to take a gun onto Quoting: Anonymous Coward 24804298 private property without the property owners knowledge and permission. You bring a gun, ESPECIALLY a concealed gun onto my property and I will shoot you dead the second I discover it. No exceptions, no questions. I can ONLY assume you came to harm me and in fear of my life and standing my ground I defended my life. These are the same brave ppl that sit indoors while the neighbour gets shot 368 times by police . Total mouth jobs nothing else. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 22124161 United States 10/07/2012 05:22 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | It is already illegal to take a gun onto Quoting: Anonymous Coward 24804298 private property without the property owners knowledge and permission. You bring a gun, ESPECIALLY a concealed gun onto my property and I will shoot you dead the second I discover it. No exceptions, no questions. I can ONLY assume you came to harm me and in fear of my life and standing my ground I defended my life. Amen |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 25105597 United States 10/07/2012 05:25 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | "Two Ohio Democrat State Representatives, Bill Patmon and Ted Celeste, are co-sponsoring a bill "to generally prohibit a person from having a firearm on privately owned land or premises....." Interesting. One reason I am still registered to vote as a Republican is because of the apparent attempt by Democrats especially during the Clinton years to pass restrictive gun laws. You notice how the Democrats as of late in the US Congress have hot brought up anymore gun legislation. They learned they lose millions of votes from people by attempting to disarm the American people. Even Obama who everyone thought would be an anti-gunner has not proposed any new gun laws and in fact signed a piece legislation allowing the carrying of guns onto federal lands {I think it was the National Parks}. What is also interesting is the Supreme Court just ruled that the Second Amendment does indeed allow the possession of guns even in places like Washington, D.C. where until now did not allow any gun ownership. So with all do respect to these scum bag representatives from Ohio, I would suggest they take the guns they are probably hiding under the bed, make sure they are unloaded, and stick them where the sun don't shine. This clear attempt to circumnavigate the Second Amendment will not stand up in court even if it is passed. |