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German state TV reports: Syrian rebels claim responsibility for attack on Turkey

 
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German state TV reports: Syrian rebels claim responsibility for attack on Turkey
by R. Teichmann

On Oct. 4th, the German state TV channel ZDF reported on the attack on Turkey several times.

In its “Mittagsmagazin” at 1300 hours it reports as follows:

02:06 – 02:32

“Rocket and mortar fire. Turkey takes revenge after an attack from the Syrian side. Yesterday afternoon Syrian rebels fired on a Turkish village close to the border. For weeks Ankara had warned against provoking Turkey. Meanwhile Syrian rebels officially claimed responsibility for the provocation.”

Only 3 hours later in its “Heute in Europa” at 1600 hours it reports:

01:40 – 01:52

“Rocket and mortar fire. Last night Turkey took revenge for an attack from the Syrian side. Yesterday afternoon rebels fired on a Turkish village close to the border.

Testimony of a local Turk: “The Syrian rebels try to draw us into their conflict. We have to be very careful here.”

In their main evening news “Heute” at 1900 hours they report:

01:40 – 01:53

“Rocket and mortar fire. Last night Turkey took revenge. Yesterday afternoon the Syrians fired on a Turkish village close to the border. The tensions between the neighbours had escalated – Ankara retaliated.”

0235 – 0242

“Houses shot to pieces and streets devoid of people. It is not even clear yet who really fired, the Syrian army or the rebels.”


The first victim of war is the truth

The first report clearly states that the rebels officially claimed responsibility for the attack on Turkey.

It is telling to see how the pressure on this TV station worked. They had to back-paddle:

At 1300 it was the Syrian Rebels officially claiming responsibility.

In the main evening news at 1900 it was the Syrians (suggesting the Syrian army). This is a prime example of how the first and probably most authentic and truthful report is turned and twisted by the spin doctors to come to the desired result. In these times of Orwellian double speak we have to give credit to the ZDF that they did not stick with “The Syrians did it” but at least ended with a question mark - in the late evening they leave it open who was responsible.


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Good find OP, how is this being reported in Germany in light of that article? There is something funny going on, I can't find any primary source reports about the actual inncident, but there are reports of Turkish fire into Syria as far backl as July. Anyway, surely Syria are well within their rights to attack training camps os supply points used by the FSA, even if it is over their border. Look at the US drones in Pakistan in comparison. While I believe Syrias position is defendable if they were to attack Turkry thas would be the end for Assad.
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Good find OP, how is this being reported in Germany in light of that article? There is something funny going on, I can't find any primary source reports about the actual inncident, but there are reports of Turkish fire into Syria as far backl as July. Anyway, surely Syria are well within their rights to attack training camps os supply points used by the FSA, even if it is over their border. Look at the US drones in Pakistan in comparison. While I believe Syrias position is defendable if they were to attack Turkry thas would be the end for Assad.
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remember that Syria has allies in china and russia
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nobody has the slightest doubt that turkey and fsa jointly have made up this alleged attack turkish territory in order to pave way for a limited turkish involvment to release some pressure on aleppo battle where fsa is under sever stress and are about to surrender themselves within a few days.

in fact turkey is unable to wage war against syria for various reasons:
- syria still has a well trained regular army
- the kurdish problem
- supporters of syrian regime within turkey
- nato's refusal to engage in the syrian war

show is over in damascus, and is almost coming to an end in aleppo.
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nobody has the slightest doubt that turkey and fsa jointly have made up this alleged attack turkish territory in order to pave way for a limited turkish involvment to release some pressure on aleppo battle where fsa is under sever stress and are about to surrender themselves within a few days.

in fact turkey is unable to wage war against syria for various reasons:
- syria still has a well trained regular army
- the kurdish problem
- supporters of syrian regime within turkey
- nato's refusal to engage in the syrian war

show is over in damascus, and is almost coming to an end in aleppo.
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Turkey is going to be dragged in to the conflict,watch and see
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nobody has the slightest doubt that turkey and fsa jointly have made up this alleged attack turkish territory in order to pave way for a limited turkish involvment to release some pressure on aleppo battle where fsa is under sever stress and are about to surrender themselves within a few days.

in fact turkey is unable to wage war against syria for various reasons:
- syria still has a well trained regular army
- the kurdish problem
- supporters of syrian regime within turkey
- nato's refusal to engage in the syrian war

show is over in damascus, and is almost coming to an end in aleppo.
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Ye, there are ongoing anti-war protests in Turkey, over 5000 out last night. Yet our overlords, on all sides are going to keep pushing for war. It's fucking depressing, the people in charge have decided they are going to remove Assad one way or another. All we can do is document and recode all the lies and propaganda and hope that some day the warmongers are held to account.
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Re: German state TV reports: Syrian rebels claim responsibility for attack on Turkey
nobody has the slightest doubt that turkey and fsa jointly have made up this alleged attack turkish territory in order to pave way for a limited turkish involvment to release some pressure on aleppo battle where fsa is under sever stress and are about to surrender themselves within a few days.

in fact turkey is unable to wage war against syria for various reasons:
- syria still has a well trained regular army
- the kurdish problem
- supporters of syrian regime within turkey
- nato's refusal to engage in the syrian war

show is over in damascus, and is almost coming to an end in aleppo.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 25053956


Ye, there are ongoing anti-war protests in Turkey, over 5000 out last night. Yet our overlords, on all sides are going to keep pushing for war. It's fucking depressing, the people in charge have decided they are going to remove Assad one way or another. All we can do is document and recode all the lies and propaganda and hope that some day the warmongers are held to account.
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Pike letter that is whats going to happen
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Re: German state TV reports: Syrian rebels claim responsibility for attack on Turkey
Good find OP, how is this being reported in Germany in light of that article? There is something funny going on, I can't find any primary source reports about the actual inncident, but there are reports of Turkish fire into Syria as far backl as July. Anyway, surely Syria are well within their rights to attack training camps os supply points used by the FSA, even if it is over their border. Look at the US drones in Pakistan in comparison. While I believe Syrias position is defendable if they were to attack Turkry thas would be the end for Assad.
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At the moment, the msm mainly report the 'altered' version and blame Assad's army for the incident and some even top the usual lies by claiming that "Assad wants to draw Turkey into the conflict because it would be advantegeous (?) for him".

Lies, lies and more lies from the msm. I don't know how drawing Turkey into this conflict could be of any benefit for Assad.
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Re: German state TV reports: Syrian rebels claim responsibility for attack on Turkey
nobody has the slightest doubt that turkey and fsa jointly have made up this alleged attack turkish territory in order to pave way for a limited turkish involvment to release some pressure on aleppo battle where fsa is under sever stress and are about to surrender themselves within a few days.

in fact turkey is unable to wage war against syria for various reasons:
- syria still has a well trained regular army
- the kurdish problem
- supporters of syrian regime within turkey
- nato's refusal to engage in the syrian war

show is over in damascus, and is almost coming to an end in aleppo.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 25053956


Ye, there are ongoing anti-war protests in Turkey, over 5000 out last night. Yet our overlords, on all sides are going to keep pushing for war. It's fucking depressing, the people in charge have decided they are going to remove Assad one way or another. All we can do is document and recode all the lies and propaganda and hope that some day the warmongers are held to account.
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Those are not exactly Syria supporters. We are against a war with Syria and criticize the ME politics of our government. We sholudn't be involved in this Syria crisis just from the beginning. This is what millions are saying, we are not supporting Assad regime, i mean most of the people who are against this war.
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Re: German state TV reports: Syrian rebels claim responsibility for attack on Turkey
nobody has the slightest doubt that turkey and fsa jointly have made up this alleged attack turkish territory in order to pave way for a limited turkish involvment to release some pressure on aleppo battle where fsa is under sever stress and are about to surrender themselves within a few days.

in fact turkey is unable to wage war against syria for various reasons:
- syria still has a well trained regular army
- the kurdish problem
- supporters of syrian regime within turkey
- nato's refusal to engage in the syrian war

show is over in damascus, and is almost coming to an end in aleppo.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 25053956


Turkey is going to be dragged in to the conflict,watch and see
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turkey will not get dragged, because they know 100% they will loose sooner or later.
turkey's involvement gives moral leverage for the syrian regime to be fighting external enemy instead of their own people.

these coming one or two weeks is their last chance to support the fsa one way or another in order to rule out a victory for the regime.

the syrian regime approach is to eliminate popular support for the fsa. when syrian supporters realize that to allow fsa in their neighbourhood means total destruction of their properties they will certainly stop their support and fsa looses ground.

i say the coming 2 weeks are critical simply because of weather

for november
Average high °C 19
Average high °C 7

already aleppo is cut from gas,water,electricity...many parts of aleppo have seen only a few hours of electricity in the last 10 days

also food shortage already kicked in, so far government has control over infrastructure and food supply. whoever controls food, can decide the outcome of the war.
outcome of aleppo will determine the ourcome of this conflict
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Re: German state TV reports: Syrian rebels claim responsibility for attack on Turkey
nobody has the slightest doubt that turkey and fsa jointly have made up this alleged attack turkish territory in order to pave way for a limited turkish involvment to release some pressure on aleppo battle where fsa is under sever stress and are about to surrender themselves within a few days.

in fact turkey is unable to wage war against syria for various reasons:
- syria still has a well trained regular army
- the kurdish problem
- supporters of syrian regime within turkey
- nato's refusal to engage in the syrian war

show is over in damascus, and is almost coming to an end in aleppo.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 25053956


Turkey is going to be dragged in to the conflict,watch and see
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1487375


turkey will not get dragged, because they know 100% they will loose sooner or later.
turkey's involvement gives moral leverage for the syrian regime to be fighting external enemy instead of their own people.

these coming one or two weeks is their last chance to support the fsa one way or another in order to rule out a victory for the regime.

the syrian regime approach is to eliminate popular support for the fsa. when syrian supporters realize that to allow fsa in their neighbourhood means total destruction of their properties they will certainly stop their support and fsa looses ground.

i say the coming 2 weeks are critical simply because of weather

for november
Average high °C 19
Average high °C 7

already aleppo is cut from gas,water,electricity...many parts of aleppo have seen only a few hours of electricity in the last 10 days

also food shortage already kicked in, so far government has control over infrastructure and food supply. whoever controls food, can decide the outcome of the war.
outcome of aleppo will determine the ourcome of this conflict
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you have to take in to account the refugees that flooding over to Turkey(close to 3/4 of a million some reports say),its causing problems and tensions are bad enough....

now we have certain forces inside Syria staging terror attacks on Turkey this complicates the equation,i see Albert Pikes letter being played out
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Re: German state TV reports: Syrian rebels claim responsibility for attack on Turkey
As they notice that more and more people are aware of the atrocities committed by the rebels, they now call for an intervention no matter who is responsible. They say something has to be done about the situation anyway to stop the killings.
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Re: German state TV reports: Syrian rebels claim responsibility for attack on Turkey
nobody has the slightest doubt that turkey and fsa jointly have made up this alleged attack turkish territory in order to pave way for a limited turkish involvment to release some pressure on aleppo battle where fsa is under sever stress and are about to surrender themselves within a few days.

in fact turkey is unable to wage war against syria for various reasons:
- syria still has a well trained regular army
- the kurdish problem
- supporters of syrian regime within turkey
- nato's refusal to engage in the syrian war

show is over in damascus, and is almost coming to an end in aleppo.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 25053956


Turkey is going to be dragged in to the conflict,watch and see
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1487375


turkey will not get dragged, because they know 100% they will loose sooner or later.
turkey's involvement gives moral leverage for the syrian regime to be fighting external enemy instead of their own people.

these coming one or two weeks is their last chance to support the fsa one way or another in order to rule out a victory for the regime.

the syrian regime approach is to eliminate popular support for the fsa. when syrian supporters realize that to allow fsa in their neighbourhood means total destruction of their properties they will certainly stop their support and fsa looses ground.

i say the coming 2 weeks are critical simply because of weather

for november
Average high °C 19
Average high °C 7

already aleppo is cut from gas,water,electricity...many parts of aleppo have seen only a few hours of electricity in the last 10 days

also food shortage already kicked in, so far government has control over infrastructure and food supply. whoever controls food, can decide the outcome of the war.
outcome of aleppo will determine the ourcome of this conflict
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 25053956


you have to take in to account the refugees that flooding over to Turkey(close to 3/4 of a million some reports say),its causing problems and tensions are bad enough....

now we have certain forces inside Syria staging terror attacks on Turkey this complicates the equation,i see Albert Pikes letter being played out
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the refugees crisis is another incentive for turkey to end this conflict. we didnt mention anything about iranian, russian, chinese support to the syrian regime and inability to pass any un resolution due to veto.
china is very glad to ship massive amounts of weapons to syria on weekly basis, no problem there.

as to albert pike, he is utter nonsense, not to mention that freemasonry in general is a useless organisation with members only thinking about picnic parties and what sandwiches to prepare. i am a mason myself
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As they notice that more and more people are aware of the atrocities committed by the rebels, they now call for an intervention no matter who is responsible. They say something has to be done about the situation anyway to stop the killings.
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you mean stuff like this
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Re: German state TV reports: Syrian rebels claim responsibility for attack on Turkey
the refugees crisis is another incentive for turkey to end this conflict. we didnt mention anything about iranian, russian, chinese support to the syrian regime and inability to pass any un resolution due to veto.
china is very glad to ship massive amounts of weapons to syria on weekly basis, no problem there.

as to albert pike, he is utter nonsense, not to mention that freemasonry in general is a useless organisation with members only thinking about picnic parties and what sandwiches to prepare. i am a mason myself
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 25053956



ww3 prophecy,Albert Pike


the whole of the middle east is in chaos,Egypt,Tunisia,Iraq and now we have Turkey starting to be sucked in to the madness,it looks like to me that there is a plan to bring in a new world order,order out of chaos,Pikes letter looks spot on....

as for Syria,the problem is that the country is in such chaos that the prisons have collapsed and rapist murderers have been armed up by the western govermants this is because the west are following a masonic plan,the power of the masons is immense

you must be a low level mason and they do not have any real knowledge
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Re: German state TV reports: Syrian rebels claim responsibility for attack on Turkey
As they notice that more and more people are aware of the atrocities committed by the rebels, they now call for an intervention no matter who is responsible. They say something has to be done about the situation anyway to stop the killings.
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you mean stuff like this

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we live in a fcked up world
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Re: German state TV reports: Syrian rebels claim responsibility for attack on Turkey
the refugees crisis is another incentive for turkey to end this conflict. we didnt mention anything about iranian, russian, chinese support to the syrian regime and inability to pass any un resolution due to veto.
china is very glad to ship massive amounts of weapons to syria on weekly basis, no problem there.

as to albert pike, he is utter nonsense, not to mention that freemasonry in general is a useless organisation with members only thinking about picnic parties and what sandwiches to prepare. i am a mason myself
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 25053956



ww3 prophecy,Albert Pike


the whole of the middle east is in chaos,Egypt,Tunisia,Iraq and now we have Turkey starting to be sucked in to the madness,it looks like to me that there is a plan to bring in a new world order,order out of chaos,Pikes letter looks spot on....

as for Syria,the problem is that the country is in such chaos that the prisons have collapsed and rapist murderers have been armed up by the western govermants this is because the west are following a masonic plan,the power of the masons is immense

you must be a low level mason and they do not have any real knowledge
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1487375


ok, first of all pike's mazzini letter the least one can say is controversial, to avoid using the word forgery

with respect to its content, indeed it is interesting and one might find some parallels in today's events.
but in today's world, it is more likely that zionism and state of israel are in cuddling in the same bed with islamic leaders rather than fighting each other.

when it come's to the events of our time, it is more about economic conflicts and wars over resources, oil, gas, water, minerals, rather than any esoteric mumbo jumbo, something that albert pike had no clue about.
reading his books one can only imagine him doing some strange occult rituals attempting to float in the air, not being aware that being overweight due to his appetite for food is the greatest obstacle to his magical aspiration

i can guarantee you that the higher you go in masonry, the more silly its members become, because the smart ones who actually have some grey matter leave the organisation after the first 2 years, it is simply aboring place tobe

okay, drifting away from main topic, I agree with your statement that the chaos is infclited by western governments (not masons!), and most probably the reason for funding this plundering is to plunge syria into chaos in order to weaken the iranian regime, in ´preparation for possible strike, or rather just weaken them and let them bleed to death, oil and gas being the prime motive for such actions, not islam illuminati bla bla...
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the refugees crisis is another incentive for turkey to end this conflict. we didnt mention anything about iranian, russian, chinese support to the syrian regime and inability to pass any un resolution due to veto.
china is very glad to ship massive amounts of weapons to syria on weekly basis, no problem there.

as to albert pike, he is utter nonsense, not to mention that freemasonry in general is a useless organisation with members only thinking about picnic parties and what sandwiches to prepare. i am a mason myself
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 25053956



ww3 prophecy,Albert Pike


the whole of the middle east is in chaos,Egypt,Tunisia,Iraq and now we have Turkey starting to be sucked in to the madness,it looks like to me that there is a plan to bring in a new world order,order out of chaos,Pikes letter looks spot on....

as for Syria,the problem is that the country is in such chaos that the prisons have collapsed and rapist murderers have been armed up by the western govermants this is because the west are following a masonic plan,the power of the masons is immense

you must be a low level mason and they do not have any real knowledge
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1487375


ok, first of all pike's mazzini letter the least one can say is controversial, to avoid using the word forgery

with respect to its content, indeed it is interesting and one might find some parallels in today's events.
but in today's world, it is more likely that zionism and state of israel are in cuddling in the same bed with islamic leaders rather than fighting each other.

when it come's to the events of our time, it is more about economic conflicts and wars over resources, oil, gas, water, minerals, rather than any esoteric mumbo jumbo, something that albert pike had no clue about.
reading his books one can only imagine him doing some strange occult rituals attempting to float in the air, not being aware that being overweight due to his appetite for food is the greatest obstacle to his magical aspiration

i can guarantee you that the higher you go in masonry, the more silly its members become, because the smart ones who actually have some grey matter leave the organisation after the first 2 years, it is simply aboring place tobe

okay, drifting away from main topic, I agree with your statement that the chaos is infclited by western governments (not masons!), and most probably the reason for funding this plundering is to plunge syria into chaos in order to weaken the iranian regime, in ´preparation for possible strike, or rather just weaken them and let them bleed to death, oil and gas being the prime motive for such actions, not islam illuminati bla bla...
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 25053956



The letters existed and were exhibited in London long before the planned events actually took place. Undeniable fact. So what is so controversial about them? Only the question WHO planned the events, not that they were planned and implemented.
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As they notice that more and more people are aware of the atrocities committed by the rebels, they now call for an intervention no matter who is responsible. They say something has to be done about the situation anyway to stop the killings.
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you mean stuff like this

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Sorry, I can't see the video or picture you posted.

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