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Your stocks are NOT safe

 
sylvie
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Well, let's see if I can get anyone to believe me here. I tried to post about this topic on another forum-which-must-not-be-named and was basically laughed off the thread.

Here it goes: I've never, ever have written a thread like "My uncle told me the world's gonna end next week, but I can't tell you why" before, but I'm afraid this is such a thread.

Not that the world will end (at least not that I know of). Also, I want to make this clear from the get-go: THIS IS NOT A PREDICTION OR A PROPHECY!!!

I'd love to go into the details, but I'm working for an investment firm which is gonna write about this situation in one of its paid services, so I can't front-run them -- a) it wouldn't be right, b) I could get in trouble for it.

So as much as I'd like to give you all the juicy tidbits, I'll have to be somewhat vague with this.

PLEASE NOTE: this is NOT a conspiracy theory; it's fact and can be checked. There's no doubt about this, and I haven't heard it from some obscure source -- this info comes from a big-time hedge fund guy who has done a lot of research and by chance found this out.

So, after all the disclaimers, I'll tell you what I CAN tell you, and I really hope that someone on this forum will take this seriously. You're welcome to check my thread record -- I'm not a nutcase (well, not more than most here anyway ;)), and I'm working in the investment biz.

I found out yesterday that contrary to what most people think, stocks aren't safe at all -- what I'm saying is that ordinary stock investors like you and me have basically no protection whatsoever. What happened with MF Global and futures investors can happen with stocks to anyone with a brokerage account.

I hope people here will realize how HUGE this is, without me having to spell out every little detail...
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Nor are your Pensions, 401 k, Bank Accounts, Safety Deposit Boxes, Or Your Property. People are so dumbed down though they will never see it before its too late.
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Ha,ha. Stocks. Yeah, good one...

Worried about your fucking money are ya? *grin*
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I only dabbled in the stock market for a little while, but it wasn't for me and I didn't feel good about having money in stocks, so I got out after a year or so.

Obviously, stocks are not *safe* (as in "bullet-proof") anyway; share prices go up and down, even more so when you move into the small-cap sector -- but that's not what I'm talking about.

What I'm talking about is that if you think you own shares of a company, YOU ARE MISTAKEN. That used to be the case, but isn't anymore. Unless you have paper stock certificates at home, like in the olden days, you have nothing, really. And they don't like to issue those paper certificates anymore so they can get on with their scheme.

If I WERE still in stocks at this point, I'd get out immediately.
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10/06/2012 04:09 PM

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What really kills me is that nearly every American these days is a stock investor -- due to 401(k)s and IRAs -- and people rely on that income to get them through retirement.

If there's any kind of implosion of the financial system (and as we've seen in many, many threads lately, there's a very good chance of that happening in the near future), those small-time investors and retirees could be left with nothing.

Now, you could say if there's a stock market crash, they'd be left with nothing anyway, but historically, even in the 1929 crash, for example, there were always stable, good companies -- many of them dividend payers -- that made it.

THIS is completely different; it has to do with the definition of a stock itself - and that's unfortunately just about all I can say about it.

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Hmmm... no comments at all on this?
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10/06/2012 04:21 PM

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I believe you, the dollar will collapse also, Beans Bullets and Bandaids!
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Hmmm... no comments at all on this?
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Most people are trying to keep from being homeless and you want to talk about stocks, 401K's and IRA's. You stupid rich bitch, what "advice" you are giving was needed maybe 5 years ago. Too late for most.

Now it's just some rich bitch wringing her hands about her fucking money!

Kiss my ass.
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Hmmm... no comments at all on this?
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Most people are trying to keep from being homeless and you want to talk about stocks, 401K's and IRA's. You stupid rich bitch, what "advice" you are giving was needed maybe 5 years ago. Too late for most.

Now it's just some rich bitch wringing her hands about her fucking money!

Kiss my ass.
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You mad bro?
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I found out yesterday that contrary to what most people think, stocks aren't safe at all -- what I'm saying is that ordinary stock investors like you and me have basically no protection whatsoever.
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You mean the FDIC doesn't cover my FaceBook loses?

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This isn't news OP, this is obvious to anyone who has traded stocks.
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10/06/2012 04:27 PM
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Hmmm... no comments at all on this?
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Most people are trying to keep from being homeless and you want to talk about stocks, 401K's and IRA's. You stupid rich bitch, what "advice" you are giving was needed maybe 5 years ago. Too late for most.

Now it's just some rich bitch wringing her hands about her fucking money!

Kiss my ass.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 22421783


This is a prediction: AC is going to die like he lived: Bitter and poor.

lmao
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10/06/2012 04:29 PM
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Ha,ha. Stocks. Yeah, good one...

Worried about your fucking money are ya? *grin*
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The typical jab of a typical envious poor failure. *grin*
Welcome to Woodbury.

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10/06/2012 04:36 PM
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OP, you said you were going to give NEW information that could be verified. where is it? this is all speculation. We see much better speculation and opinion pieces everyday here. where is your stuff to be checked?
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I only dabbled in the stock market for a little while, but it wasn't for me and I didn't feel good about having money in stocks, so I got out after a year or so.

Obviously, stocks are not *safe* (as in "bullet-proof") anyway; share prices go up and down, even more so when you move into the small-cap sector -- but that's not what I'm talking about.

What I'm talking about is that if you think you own shares of a company, YOU ARE MISTAKEN. That used to be the case, but isn't anymore. Unless you have paper stock certificates at home, like in the olden days, you have nothing, really. And they don't like to issue those paper certificates anymore so they can get on with their scheme.

If I WERE still in stocks at this point, I'd get out immediately.
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YES DO NOT USE 'NOMINEE' ACCOUNTS. GET PAPER CERTIFICAES FOR YOUR SHARES AND YOUR NAME ON THE REGISTER OF SHAREHOLDERS. THEN YOU OWN THE SHARES. OTHERWISE, YOUR BROKERAGE WILL USE YOUR SHARES TO SHORT YOUR SUPPOSED INVESTMENT.

THIS IS A FACT.
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I only dabbled in the stock market for a little while, but it wasn't for me and I didn't feel good about having money in stocks, so I got out after a year or so.

Obviously, stocks are not *safe* (as in "bullet-proof") anyway; share prices go up and down, even more so when you move into the small-cap sector -- but that's not what I'm talking about.

What I'm talking about is that if you think you own shares of a company, YOU ARE MISTAKEN. That used to be the case, but isn't anymore. Unless you have paper stock certificates at home, like in the olden days, you have nothing, really. And they don't like to issue those paper certificates anymore so they can get on with their scheme.

If I WERE still in stocks at this point, I'd get out immediately.
 Quoting: sylvie


YES DO NOT USE 'NOMINEE' ACCOUNTS. GET PAPER CERTIFICAES FOR YOUR SHARES AND YOUR NAME ON THE REGISTER OF SHAREHOLDERS. THEN YOU OWN THE SHARES. OTHERWISE, YOUR BROKERAGE WILL USE YOUR SHARES TO SHORT YOUR SUPPOSED INVESTMENT.

THIS IS A FACT.
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Yes ^this^ is true, if that's what OP was referring to.
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Real funny assholes here. Poor people are a real funny topic? Angry? Fuck yes.

People that can't see the pain right now in the world disgust me. Actually I got out of stocks and cashed in my 401K long ago and did just fine.

The utter lack of compassion and lack of awareness is disgusting. I can just hope that most of you are just stupid kids.

If not, may God help you...
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Real funny assholes here. Poor people are a real funny topic? Angry? Fuck yes.

People that can't see the pain right now in the world disgust me. Actually I got out of stocks and cashed in my 401K long ago and did just fine.

The utter lack of compassion and lack of awareness is disgusting. I can just hope that most of you are just stupid kids.

If not, may God help you...
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iamwith
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I stopped reading after all the "This is not a doom thread, blah blah blah".

Learn to fucking present yourself in a conversation. You must work as a janitor in this investment firm or you'd know how to present yourself.
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You mad bro?



Probably a democrat


Thank you OP for the head's up. Is there anyplace that is more safe? Just thought I'd ask embarrasse
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Google "Self Directed Custodians."

There is a way and means of protecting against this.

Direct Registration and Certificate Costs:

Regardless of the website for the DTC system, a competitor of the DRS, the following is the cost of both direct registration and certificate issuance by the transfer agent: ZERO.

Any charges quoted to you are inventions by the brokers or their clearing house generally structured to dissuade you from leaving the system or to earn something for nothing.
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You mad bro?



Probably a democrat


Thank you OP for the head's up. Is there anyplace that is more safe? Just thought I'd ask
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silvertard

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Welcome to Woodbury.

I think being a Democrat should be a felony.

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from someone with experience:

Both TD Ameritrade and EverTrade (using Penson as agent) told me $500 to $600 to register each stock. I sold all my positions and opened an account with ScotTrade. ScotTrade does DRS for eligible stocks for $0.00.

I found that many companies and Canadian stocks do not use the DRS system. I sold all of those.
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Op your firm is a bit behind the curve
This has been public knowledge for several years
Though recent events have brought the subject more out into the open
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A friend of mine has a business that invests money for banks. Big banks. He's worth 44M. He confided in me this week that the whole market is going to collapse soon and it will level the banks. Because of Bernake's actions and its affect on government bonds that banks are required to invest in and that stocks are way over priced. We didn't get into detail but he had no reason to bullshit me. He sort of had this attitude like he was just playing the game until there is no game left to play and implied that's what the banks, his clients are doing too.

The big boys know the game is over and the average investor thinks they are safe. Probably nothing new to us here but it just reaffirmed what you are saying.
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What's the deal OP? Are you saying DTC is a sham? That street name stock held by Cede & Co. Is worthless if Uncle Sam says so?

I've been saying that since 89.... BFD
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Here are some tips these are company on www.lse.com on the London aim MARKET the code for the the share are as follows
SOU...WAIT BUY AT 0.60
WSG...WAIT BUY AT 0.22
OPE...WAIT BUY AT 0.42
SGRO..WAIT BUY AT 222.00
NTOG..WAIT BUY AT 0.37
WET...BUY NEXT PUSH THIS WEEK 0.18 RERATE 0.33-0.40
take this how you see it but you will make money put buy orders in sell when you want no odds to me but i make a hell of a lot of money ......
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Get out of the stock market now!
Only keep enough in the bank each month to cover that month's expenses! (In case there is a long bank holiday)
Buy up to 1000 ounces of silver first.
Hide it and forget it for about 5 to 10 years.
With the rest of your cash, buy as many ounces of gold that you can get.
Hide it and forget it for about 5 to 10 years.
Keep a few ounces of gold around for emergency cash.
Keep buying gold, and every time you get 10 ounces, hide it and forget it for about 5 to 10 years.
In 5 to 10 years you should be in great shape financially!
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What's the deal OP? Are you saying DTC is a sham? That street name stock held by Cede & Co. Is worthless if Uncle Sam says so?

I've been saying that since 89.... BFD
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THIS ^^^^^. YES.
DRS AND CERTIFICATES IF YOU HAVE TO OWN SHARES.
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Wise move... Get rid of all of your holdings tied to dollars, convert it and invest it in items of real value, and especially in survival essentials...

Before the first quarter of 2013.
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I not only believe what you say is true, i have already prepared for it. it seems as though this is difficult for people to understand. i believe also those who deny the situation we are in can't in their minds accept it. its almost as a defense mechanism to preserve them from reality.

I'm glad i did all i can do. Now its nothing more then a waiting game. The road the can gets kicked down is only so long. i personalty look at all the money printing as destructive but at the same time regard the extra time to prepare a blessing.
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