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Your stocks are NOT safe

 
sylvie (OP)

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Hmmm... no comments at all on this?
 Quoting: sylvie


Most people are trying to keep from being homeless and you want to talk about stocks, 401K's and IRA's. You stupid rich bitch, what "advice" you are giving was needed maybe 5 years ago. Too late for most.

Now it's just some rich bitch wringing her hands about her fucking money!

Kiss my ass.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 22421783


Sorry you're homeless (or almost). But there are quite a few people out there who are not... and who ARE trying to save for their retirement.
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Not in the market I haven't been all year.

I buy physical gold and silver and have self storage.

If I was to even consider getting in I would only day trade or swing trade.

This is not s buy and hold market anymore.

One trade on my mnd right now is shorting CMG.

It's right at support and a break here could send it plummeting.

Earnings coming up soon could break this down
everything in its right place
sylvie (OP)

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10/06/2012 05:03 PM

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I found out yesterday that contrary to what most people think, stocks aren't safe at all -- what I'm saying is that ordinary stock investors like you and me have basically no protection whatsoever.
 Quoting: sylvie


You mean the FDIC doesn't cover my FaceBook loses?

ohno

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This isn't news OP, this is obvious to anyone who has traded stocks.
 Quoting: The Governor


As I said, this is not about stock prices dropping, this is about how stocks are DEFINED now... you don't really OWN anything anymore when you "own" a stock.
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10/06/2012 05:04 PM

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Well, let's see if I can get anyone to believe me here. I tried to post about this topic on another forum-which-must-not-be-named and was basically laughed off the thread.

Here it goes: I've never, ever have written a thread like "My uncle told me the world's gonna end next week, but I can't tell you why" before, but I'm afraid this is such a thread.

Not that the world will end (at least not that I know of). Also, I want to make this clear from the get-go: THIS IS NOT A PREDICTION OR A PROPHECY!!!

I'd love to go into the details, but I'm working for an investment firm which is gonna write about this situation in one of its paid services, so I can't front-run them -- a) it wouldn't be right, b) I could get in trouble for it.

So as much as I'd like to give you all the juicy tidbits, I'll have to be somewhat vague with this.

PLEASE NOTE: this is NOT a conspiracy theory; it's fact and can be checked. There's no doubt about this, and I haven't heard it from some obscure source -- this info comes from a big-time hedge fund guy who has done a lot of research and by chance found this out.

So, after all the disclaimers, I'll tell you what I CAN tell you, and I really hope that someone on this forum will take this seriously. You're welcome to check my thread record -- I'm not a nutcase (well, not more than most here anyway ;)), and I'm working in the investment biz.

I found out yesterday that contrary to what most people think, stocks aren't safe at all -- what I'm saying is that ordinary stock investors like you and me have basically no protection whatsoever. What happened with MF Global and futures investors can happen with stocks to anyone with a brokerage account.

I hope people here will realize how HUGE this is, without me having to spell out every little detail...
 Quoting: sylvie




blahblahloserrolleyesrolleyesrolleyescrazycrazy



Seriously OP, where have you been? Are you new at trading?


Stocks are and never were safe. Bond holders always get paid first...but guess what?

They aren't safe either. Bondholders have been wiped out as well.

When it comes to paying people back, stockholders are always last. If you own stocks in this market you are nuts.

It's been propped up by QE money and it is not real.

Once a day somebody will come in here with a thread just like this one. Swearing to god almighty their information is true and not a prediction.

The story tellers here are astounding.

You didn't even really do that good of a job.

Sorry but you are not believable.
sylvie (OP)

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10/06/2012 05:05 PM

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I only dabbled in the stock market for a little while, but it wasn't for me and I didn't feel good about having money in stocks, so I got out after a year or so.

Obviously, stocks are not *safe* (as in "bullet-proof") anyway; share prices go up and down, even more so when you move into the small-cap sector -- but that's not what I'm talking about.

What I'm talking about is that if you think you own shares of a company, YOU ARE MISTAKEN. That used to be the case, but isn't anymore. Unless you have paper stock certificates at home, like in the olden days, you have nothing, really. And they don't like to issue those paper certificates anymore so they can get on with their scheme.

If I WERE still in stocks at this point, I'd get out immediately.
 Quoting: sylvie


YES DO NOT USE 'NOMINEE' ACCOUNTS. GET PAPER CERTIFICAES FOR YOUR SHARES AND YOUR NAME ON THE REGISTER OF SHAREHOLDERS. THEN YOU OWN THE SHARES. OTHERWISE, YOUR BROKERAGE WILL USE YOUR SHARES TO SHORT YOUR SUPPOSED INVESTMENT.

THIS IS A FACT.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 24461947


Yes ^this^ is true, if that's what OP was referring to.
 Quoting: The Governor


Yes exactly, your brokerage can use your shares as collateral for whatever bets they want to make... which could leave you in the dust with nothing.
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I buy physical gold and silver and have self storage.
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Not at these prices...

When it ALL comes crashing down...
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No FDIC coverage.
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10/06/2012 05:07 PM

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Sorry, this is totalbsflag
sylvie (OP)

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10/06/2012 05:07 PM

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You mad bro?
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Probably a democrat


Thank you OP for the head's up. Is there anyplace that is more safe? Just thought I'd ask embarrasse


Physical gold and silver; property -- best would be good farmland; if you want to stay in stocks, spread them around different brokerages.
sylvie (OP)

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10/06/2012 05:09 PM

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A friend of mine has a business that invests money for banks. Big banks. He's worth 44M. He confided in me this week that the whole market is going to collapse soon and it will level the banks. Because of Bernake's actions and its affect on government bonds that banks are required to invest in and that stocks are way over priced. We didn't get into detail but he had no reason to bullshit me. He sort of had this attitude like he was just playing the game until there is no game left to play and implied that's what the banks, his clients are doing too.

The big boys know the game is over and the average investor thinks they are safe. Probably nothing new to us here but it just reaffirmed what you are saying.
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Great post, thanks.
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10/06/2012 05:10 PM

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OP, does this have to do with the repo market?
sylvie (OP)

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10/06/2012 05:11 PM

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Get out of the stock market now!
Only keep enough in the bank each month to cover that month's expenses! (In case there is a long bank holiday)
Buy up to 1000 ounces of silver first.
Hide it and forget it for about 5 to 10 years.
With the rest of your cash, buy as many ounces of gold that you can get.
Hide it and forget it for about 5 to 10 years.
Keep a few ounces of gold around for emergency cash.
Keep buying gold, and every time you get 10 ounces, hide it and forget it for about 5 to 10 years.
In 5 to 10 years you should be in great shape financially!
 Quoting: Cautious 13582764


^^THIS^^
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10/06/2012 05:12 PM
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People who sell gold and silver now at this super-inflated prices all say something like: "no matter what gold and silver will always be worth something, and never worthless"

Because they have to... They also say there are risks you should consider before investing... No one ever does.. but you should.

You may have your gold IF it all crashes, but how much will it be worth then?

What if it takes a pound to buy a week's supply of groceries?

No one should be buying in at the current prices, those who have it should be selling it now.

Look for other investments, convert your funds into things you need and can trade with after a potential collapse.

Or, prepare to be disappointed.
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10/06/2012 05:12 PM
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bsflag

What else are you supposed to do? Put the money in the bank and make 1% interest? Might as well just stuff cash in a mattress because you'll still get a negative return due to inflation. Gold? Silver? Yeah right. Buying those at near all-time highs sounds like a great way to lose your ass, too.

I'll keep my money where it is. SOME gold, SOME silver, SOME stocks, SOME fixed income and SOME cash. It's called "asset allocation" and "diversification." Whatever happens, happens. I'll deal with whatever eventuality comes to pass at that time.

What's it like living in constant fear and paranoia?

Enjoy "investing" in canned preps and clinging to your guns for the doom which will probably never come. I'll be busy enjoying my life.
sylvie (OP)

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10/06/2012 05:15 PM

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People who sell gold and silver now at this super-inflated prices all say something like: "no matter what gold and silver will always be worth something, and never worthless"

Because they have to... They also say there are risks you should consider before investing... No one ever does.. but you should.

You may have your gold IF it all crashes, but how much will it be worth then?

What if it takes a pound to buy a week's supply of groceries?

No one should be buying in at the current prices, those who have it should be selling it now.

Look for other investments, convert your funds into things you need and can trade with after a potential collapse.

Or, prepare to be disappointed.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 2475575


I disagree; many financial experts are expecting gold to rise to $7,000 eventually. Now many will say, "You can't eat gold!" but if there's a hyperinflation, your gold and silver will be the only things still worth SOMETHING.
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I only dabbled in the stock market for a little while, but it wasn't for me and I didn't feel good about having money in stocks, so I got out after a year or so.



So where do we put our Retirement money?
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10/06/2012 05:18 PM
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Stocks.

hahahahahahahahahahahahahah!

Stocks.
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$7,000 eventually. Now many will say, "You can't eat gold!" but if there's a hyperinflation, your gold and silver will be the only things still worth SOMETHING.
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That is exactly what the sales people are instructed to say, and almost word for word what is said in their advertising campaigns...

Buying in at the current prices is foolish... But if you owned gold bought at much lower prices long ago, and in bulk.. You too would be working on ways to get people to buy it.

You're right, it will still be worth SOMETHING..

lol
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10/06/2012 05:20 PM
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bsflag

What else are you supposed to do? Put the money in the bank and make 1% interest? Might as well just stuff cash in a mattress because you'll still get a negative return due to inflation. Gold? Silver? Yeah right. Buying those at near all-time highs sounds like a great way to lose your ass, too.

I'll keep my money where it is. SOME gold, SOME silver, SOME stocks, SOME fixed income and SOME cash. It's called "asset allocation" and "diversification." Whatever happens, happens. I'll deal with whatever eventuality comes to pass at that time.

What's it like living in constant fear and paranoia?

Enjoy "investing" in canned preps and clinging to your guns for the doom which will probably never come. I'll be busy enjoying my life.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 24152885


We had bad inflation overthe last ten years and it will continue on its course as the USD gets destroyed. But there is nothing to prepare for it long term. All one can do is realize things will never be the same.
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why do you think there are so many DAY TRADERS ? In and out in 10 minutes. Buy and Hold is dead amigo. The number one investment is AMMO. All else is speculation.
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anyone who has money in the stock market is still in the dark ages and still voting for obama or romney..

nuff said
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stock!!!...
Now!...would that be chicken or vegetable flavoured ...stir
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bsflag

What else are you supposed to do? Put the money in the bank and make 1% interest? Might as well just stuff cash in a mattress because you'll still get a negative return due to inflation. Gold? Silver? Yeah right. Buying those at near all-time highs sounds like a great way to lose your ass, too.

I'll keep my money where it is. SOME gold, SOME silver, SOME stocks, SOME fixed income and SOME cash. It's called "asset allocation" and "diversification." Whatever happens, happens. I'll deal with whatever eventuality comes to pass at that time.

What's it like living in constant fear and paranoia?

Enjoy "investing" in canned preps and clinging to your guns for the doom which will probably never come. I'll be busy enjoying my life.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 24152885



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Nothing...and I mean...nothing is safe!

BANG!
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Hmmm... no comments at all on this?
 Quoting: sylvie


Most people are trying to keep from being homeless and you want to talk about stocks, 401K's and IRA's. You stupid rich bitch, what "advice" you are giving was needed maybe 5 years ago. Too late for most.

Now it's just some rich bitch wringing her hands about her fucking money!

Kiss my ass.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 22421783


Your vulgarity proves your ignorance and stupidity. Let me take a wild stab . . . You're mad at the whole damn world, everyone else makes mistakes, but certainly not you, your (insert appropriate noun here) dumped you, your boss fired you, mom and dad never understood you and God doesn't exist. Quit feeling sorry for yourself and get off your deadbeat, disenfranchised, entitled ass! MOST people with stocks, 401Ks and IRAs are just average joes trying to do what they can to survive when the ENTIRE system is working AGAINST them, stealing what they WORKED for their ENTIRE lives! No doubt, when the SHTF, people like you will also bitch about those who've managed to stock up on a few cans of Spam. You'll be the first on the front lines, trying to loot, steal and pillage, rationalizing that the world OWES you! WRONG again! WORK at getting a BRAIN first, then you can open that deep, black hole that knows how to do nothing but spew VOMIT!
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Lol i think the OP also just found out santa is not real¡!!!!!!!!!

Stocks have NEVER been safe any investment is a risk. Period. No risk no reward.
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Hmmm... no comments at all on this?
 Quoting: sylvie


Most people are trying to keep from being homeless and you want to talk about stocks, 401K's and IRA's. You stupid rich bitch, what "advice" you are giving was needed maybe 5 years ago. Too late for most.

Now it's just some rich bitch wringing her hands about her fucking money!

Kiss my ass.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 22421783


Your vulgarity proves your ignorance and stupidity. Let me take a wild stab . . . You're mad at the whole damn world, everyone else makes mistakes, but certainly not you, your (insert appropriate noun here) dumped you, your boss fired you, mom and dad never understood you and God doesn't exist. Quit feeling sorry for yourself and get off your deadbeat, disenfranchised, entitled ass! MOST people with stocks, 401Ks and IRAs are just average joes trying to do what they can to survive when the ENTIRE system is working AGAINST them, stealing what they WORKED for their ENTIRE lives! No doubt, when the SHTF, people like you will also bitch about those who've managed to stock up on a few cans of Spam. You'll be the first on the front lines, trying to loot, steal and pillage, rationalizing that the world OWES you! WRONG again! WORK at getting a BRAIN first, then you can open that deep, black hole that knows how to do nothing but spew VOMIT!
 Quoting: Watchdog 777 25042530


Your vulgar and disparaging post to 83 hasn't won anyone on the fence over either. Youre just as vile. Just saying.
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Most equities are recorded in "street name" - not your name, even in your 401 and pension.

related from Jim Sinclair:

Before you give up on finding a solution to protecting your retirement accounts against the real risks of street name, please Google "Self Directed Custodians."

Yes, I have names, but in this world recommending anyone is high risk. It is best for you to do your homework on who you find that will do what your discount broker or banks says no to.

They usually have legal opinions on their ways and means.

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More from Jim:

My Dear Friends,

The Sentinel Ruling is now a legal precedent. In bankruptcy of your bank, broker or fund, you can find your assets in the majority of cases are backing the liabilities of the entity in front of yourselves. This is why you must act to protect yourself.

No one in this financial world is going to do it for you, and few will have the courage to recommend you escape Street Name. The Sentinel Ruling is the law and you can wake up one day and find out that your investments are gone.

The insurance programs will function as long as the incidents of bankruptcy are isolated events.

In a systemic collapse the insurance funds are not capitalized to meet the potential obligations. The guarantor you are relying on will have to be bailed out.

For securities there are only three ways to hold them:

1. Street name.
2. Direct registration.
3. Certificate form.

Anyone advising you to stay with the Street Name option is a babbling idiot not interested at all in your welfare.

In street name the inferred ownership is the broker or bank, not you. In Direct Registration and Certificate form, the distinct ownership is you.

In 99.9% of the cases of retirement accounts the answer is you are in Street Name.

How are your securities held? Do you even know? I dare you to ask!

Do you know what your broker’s capital ratio is? Find out as that number is the order of magnitude at which your broker is gambling on with primarily your money. I dare you to ask.

This time around those investors that are too lazy to consider protecting themselves will be demolished.

How would you like your gold shares at $3500 gold, outperforming gold, and one morning you wake up to having nothing anymore? It is because of the Sentinel Ruling that you now are behind the back burner in a bankruptcy situation with any fiduciary.

The system and their minions will do everything to keep you trapped in Street Name. Articles will be published trying to put you back to sleep on this issue.

Wake up, please.

Regards,
Jim
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The religion of submission cannot survive an open and honest discussion of its convoluted and foolish scriptures, its sexually perverted terrorist prophet, or its deceitful and demented god. When Western leaders become unified and resolute in their hostility to Islam's violent and ungodly beginnings, Muslims will flee the religion because they will be horrified by its endorsement of terrorism, mass murder, slave trading, plunder, kidnapping, and rape.

If Muslims & their apologists really want to cure "Islamophobia," here is an easy way. Focus their indignation on Muslims committing violent acts in the name of Islam, not on non-Muslims reporting on those acts.
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Ecclesiastes 10:2 “The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but the heart of the fool to the left.”

We are all born ignorant, but it takes a lot of work to keep looking the other way to remain stupid.

Islam is not a race - the racism rant is lame, used by the intellectually lazy to derail the debate.