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Are Teachers Underpaid?

 
The Governor

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Do you realize that their 'yearly' salary is only for 9 months of work and that they get ridiculous pensions paid at taxpayer expense. Isn't something like 70% of their full salary for life?

No actually teachers are bankrupting the nation and it starts with their union, which promotes godless Marxism as a replacement for American values.
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Do you realize that their 'yearly' salary is only for 9 months of work and that they get ridiculous pensions paid at taxpayer expense. Isn't something like 70% of their full salary for life?

No actually teachers are bankrupting the nation and it starts with their union, which promotes godless Marxism as a replacement for American values.
 Quoting: SevenThunders


And they repeat the last half of the year in the first half of the new year...I remember being so pissed off when coming back from summer break just to get "taught" the same fucking shit we learned from last school year! I could have gotten through 13 years, including kindergarten, in like three years...
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I'm talking about the country where I live (USA)...lots of times the flag doesn't actually indicate where the person is from...
 Quoting: BRIEF


So what is use of the flags?
 Quoting: Démodé


They are accurate for the most part...
 Quoting: BRIEF


I've said this many times on here...I live in Germany but I'm from OHIO.
 Quoting: BlondeDramaQueen


eyebat Don't make me blush.
I bet my husband would allow it too.
He's always saying "Brief is so awesome, he's so funny"
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So what is use of the flags?
 Quoting: Démodé


I know someone who is a paid GLP member. When he signed up, he listed his information as living in the USA, and GLP listed him as Germany. He tried to change it for over a year to no avail, so he gave up.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 24945571



Once NWO comes, the flags will be banned.
 Quoting: Démodé


No, they will be mandatory.
And there will be only one:

[link to 4.bp.blogspot.com]
 Quoting: The Governor


True that.

But again:

"Once NWO comes, the flags will be banned."

Is everyone stupid in the States?
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10/06/2012 06:58 PM
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and its more like from 7:30-3:30 with 15 students in your room at lunch, and at least 4-8 hours of grading in the evening and weekend

most teachers don't get the retirement any more
the average teacher quits after 5 years

its the job from hell
and for some reason they (teachers) have become the scapegoat of a failed ed system

look to the university trainers and their agenda if you want to know what killed the US ed system

Get a clue, half your class is illiterate in high school, discipline is considered Taboo and then this happens far too often...

Student Spiked Teacher's Coffee With Butt Pills

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or its strawberry something or other in your coffee if someone learns your allergic

Summers off are required to regain health and well being.

Three months vacation, hours from 8-2:30 M-F, every single holiday off, two weeks for Christmas and New Years off, one week spring break, two weeks for fall break off...two snow flakes and snow day, too hot and off for heat day...all Negroes day off...fuck yeah they are overpaid!
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So what is use of the flags?
 Quoting: Démodé


They are accurate for the most part...
 Quoting: BRIEF


I've said this many times on here...I live in Germany but I'm from OHIO.
 Quoting: BlondeDramaQueen


eyebat Don't make me blush.
I bet my husband would allow it too.
He's always saying "Brief is so awesome, he's so funny"
 Quoting: BlondeDramaQueen


I agree. Brief is a great guy.
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So what is use of the flags?
 Quoting: Démodé


They are accurate for the most part...
 Quoting: BRIEF


I've said this many times on here...I live in Germany but I'm from OHIO.
 Quoting: BlondeDramaQueen


eyebat Don't make me blush.
I bet my husband would allow it too.
He's always saying "Brief is so awesome, he's so funny"
 Quoting: BlondeDramaQueen


That's cool, but he's not invited...when I do a three way, it's with two chicks...but I'd have a beer with him after grinning
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They are accurate for the most part...
 Quoting: BRIEF


I've said this many times on here...I live in Germany but I'm from OHIO.
 Quoting: BlondeDramaQueen


eyebat Don't make me blush.
I bet my husband would allow it too.
He's always saying "Brief is so awesome, he's so funny"
 Quoting: BlondeDramaQueen


I agree. Brief is a great guy.
 Quoting: Démodé


aww shucks guys hf
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I know someone who is a paid GLP member. When he signed up, he listed his information as living in the USA, and GLP listed him as Germany. He tried to change it for over a year to no avail, so he gave up.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 24945571



Once NWO comes, the flags will be banned.
 Quoting: Démodé


No, they will be mandatory.
And there will be only one:

[link to 4.bp.blogspot.com]
 Quoting: The Governor


True that.

But again:

"Once NWO comes, the flags will be banned."

Is everyone stupid in the States?
 Quoting: Démodé


You of course are not addressing that interrogative to me, because if you are, I have to respond with "Only 47% are stupid, the same percentage of Serbians who know who their fathers are".

hf
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10/06/2012 07:01 PM

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Illiteracy and discipline are the problem not money.
Teachers have control over neither.

The system passes illiterate students on to 'protect their egos', the university trainers teach the teachers that to "teach and test vocabulary is like stabbing a child in the back."

The university system also trains teachers and admin that discipline is ??? A student can throw a teacher over a desk, stab at a fellow student with a piece of glass, fan a flaming paper on a bulletin board, or and be back sitting in that same class the next day or 15" later.

Teachers don't need more money, they need more control over what goes on in the classroom. Kick the gang banger wannabes back to their parents to deal with,(homeschooling) and then the teachers will get a chance to actually teach.
 Quoting: samanthasunflower


I totally agree with you.
They need to kick kids out of schools and make them be home schooled or alternative schools.
These kids are so disrespectful!
 Quoting: BlondeDramaQueen

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you know they won't kick students out - there goes their money! There go the teacher units! There go the accolades for being tops in dropout prevention! No, they keep the baddies in school with babysitters - ha ha community activists - their same race of course who PLEAD with them to stay in school.
Now is the time.
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They are accurate for the most part...
 Quoting: BRIEF


I've said this many times on here...I live in Germany but I'm from OHIO.
 Quoting: BlondeDramaQueen


eyebat Don't make me blush.
I bet my husband would allow it too.
He's always saying "Brief is so awesome, he's so funny"
 Quoting: BlondeDramaQueen


That's cool, but he's not invited...when I do a three way, it's with two chicks...but I'd have a beer with him after grinning
 Quoting: BRIEF





[link to www.youtube.com] lmao
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you know they won't kick students out - there goes their money! There go the teacher units! There go the accolades for being tops in dropout prevention! No, they keep the baddies in school with babysitters - ha ha community activists - their same race of course who PLEAD with them to stay in school.
 Quoting: beeches


Do you ever get tired of being correct?

cheers
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I've said this many times on here...I live in Germany but I'm from OHIO.
 Quoting: BlondeDramaQueen


eyebat Don't make me blush.
I bet my husband would allow it too.
He's always saying "Brief is so awesome, he's so funny"
 Quoting: BlondeDramaQueen


That's cool, but he's not invited...when I do a three way, it's with two chicks...but I'd have a beer with him after grinning
 Quoting: BRIEF





[link to www.youtube.com] lmao
 Quoting: sonic doom



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Heterosexual pride!

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10/06/2012 07:06 PM
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They're are paid pretty well considering the perks, holidays, etc.
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My answer was maybe. Just as in other professions, some teachers work above and beyond what is expected of them. These teachers so deserve more money.
Unfortunately,they, in my experience, are a small minority. What I've seen first hand are resentful shrewish women and men who don't like their jobs and who don't like their students. From upper elementary on, they want to be cool and a member of one of the student in cliques. They abuse the authority they have over the students.
These have been my observations after dong volunteer work in schools for more than 30 years. I will say that the teachers 25-30 years ago were more dedicated and actually tried to teach. The kids respected them. Sure they joked about them but in the classroom, they showed respect and were obedient.
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My Texas friends worked for about 25 years in the Elpaso schools and retired with about 60K/year each. I don't think they had to pay SS, just to their own special retirement.
They're living large.
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I've said this many times on here...I live in Germany but I'm from OHIO.
 Quoting: BlondeDramaQueen


eyebat Don't make me blush.
I bet my husband would allow it too.
He's always saying "Brief is so awesome, he's so funny"
 Quoting: BlondeDramaQueen


That's cool, but he's not invited...when I do a three way, it's with two chicks...but I'd have a beer with him after grinning
 Quoting: BRIEF





[link to www.youtube.com] lmao
 Quoting: sonic doom




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Once NWO comes, the flags will be banned.
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No, they will be mandatory.
And there will be only one:

[link to 4.bp.blogspot.com]
 Quoting: The Governor


True that.

But again:

"Once NWO comes, the flags will be banned."

Is everyone stupid in the States?
 Quoting: Démodé


You of course are not addressing that interrogative to me, because if you are, I have to respond with "Only 47% are stupid, the same percentage of Serbians who know who their fathers are".

hf
 Quoting: The Governor


It was just simple question addressing you your mother language basic grammar.

The rest of your response is just too lameeee to even be considered for the answer.
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Yes, those poor striking teachers only $79,000. a year!!
I mean WTF!? anyway. Thats like only 2 houses and a car here, things many work a lifetime for, should be given away for sure.

Bad news is, it would probably cost more to employ any without a socialist marxist slant and who can actually read and write, so looks like we all screwed for life.
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You forgot about 4 grand a month retirement
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hmmm, there are even schools who will lie
on the attendance at the 'drop date' to get the state funds


you know they won't kick students out - there goes their money! There go the teacher units! There go the accolades for being tops in dropout prevention! No, they keep the baddies in school with babysitters - ha ha community activists - their same race of course who PLEAD with them to stay in school.
 Quoting: beeches


Do you ever get tired of being correct?

cheers
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My Daughter has been teaching 7th and 8th grade kids in a Catholic school in Dallas for 8 years. She's paid $35,000.00 a year, plus health insurance and 401K. She has been awarded several awards over the years for teaching exelence. I know that she spends about 10-12 hrs a day with her teaching duties while school's in session. She is leaving after this year to be a para legal. She loves teaching but is tired of living just above the poverty level and has no desire to teach in public school.

She has a degree in English Literature and English, minor in History, Communications, French and holds a certificate in counciling and has been in school for two years to gain a certificate to be a para legal.

It's sad to say, she will start off as a para legal twice the pay she is receiving as a teacher.
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I think teaching is something that can't be put into a single category. The range of teaching abilities is enormous, and I think salary should correlate to that.
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25+ years ago we behaved in class...
25+ years ago teachers were trained to teach
basics and then build upon them.

Now they are trained that books are bad, vocab is bad
and math? That new math mess? Well just look
at the declining test results to see how successful that agenda was. Not.

There are less and less older teachers, so yes the younger ones were more cliquish with the kids.
The older teachers mostly quit.

My kids used to always tell me "Miss you are not cool."
To which I replied. "I never have been."

I had to reteach kids in Chem class algebra in a traditional manner so they could actually do traditional Chem Science. By the end of the year they finally said " ah, now we understand why it has to be done that way."

The new ed solution? Change science so it can be buried next to math.


My answer was maybe. Just as in other professions, some teachers work above and beyond what is expected of them. These teachers so deserve more money.
Unfortunately,they, in my experience, are a small minority. What I've seen first hand are resentful shrewish women and men who don't like their jobs and who don't like their students. From upper elementary on, they want to be cool and a member of one of the student in cliques. They abuse the authority they have over the students.
These have been my observations after dong volunteer work in schools for more than 30 years. I will say that the teachers 25-30 years ago were more dedicated and actually tried to teach. The kids respected them. Sure they joked about them but in the classroom, they showed respect and were obedient.
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hmmm, there are even schools who will lie
on the attendance at the 'drop date' to get the state funds

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First of all, I'm not a teacher, but I work with them and with administrators. I'm a school secretary in a specialized area. I've worked with supers, departmental and bldg. principals.
I have educated, to date, all my children in public schools.

In my humble opinion, they're lacking, in almost every aspect I've been exposed to. From weak supers to just plain lazy janitors. It's a broad spectrum of society with doctorates to illiterates. It's also a myopic view of the population depending on the size of your community. And I must say the overall view is bleak.

It is broken. I can't even begin to tell you where to start to fixing it.

I am considering quitting after 10+ years and putting my kids in K12, online learning.

I could register as a homeschooler and still gain access to extra-curricular activities and electives such as music, art and PE.

This is the general attitude of most of my co-workers. They're generally overworked and totally stressed. They wonder why I stick around for the paltry wage I make.

Teachers and administrators at least make a annual salary that makes all the BS worth it, to some degree.

All this and it's only October...I can't wait until Thanksgiving break, I'm already beat up....
Definitely not made for this world--at least not this century.

...you are dangerous to everyone---not because you are ungifted, but because you embrace evil with your teachings. In so doing, in trying to be kind, to be unselfish, in trying to be nonjudgmental, you allow evil to become far more powerful than it otherwise would. You refuse to see evil, and so you welcome it among you. You allow it to exist. You give it power over you. You are a people who have welcomed death and refuse to denounce it. You are an empire naked to the shadow of evil. Terry Goodkind, NAKED EMPIRE
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25+ years ago we behaved in class...
25+ years ago teachers were trained to teach
basics and then build upon them.

Now they are trained that books are bad, vocab is bad
and math? That new math mess? Well just look
at the declining test results to see how successful that agenda was. Not.

There are less and less older teachers, so yes the younger ones were more cliquish with the kids.
The older teachers mostly quit.

My kids used to always tell me "Miss you are not cool."
To which I replied. "I never have been."

I had to reteach kids in Chem class algebra in a traditional manner so they could actually do traditional Chem Science. By the end of the year they finally said " ah, now we understand why it has to be done that way."

The new ed solution? Change science so it can be buried next to math.


 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 13263762


OMG, so true.

fact
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Teachers are poor students themselves and come from the lower tier of academia. If you cant do - teach!

Over Paid - Too Much vacation - Too many workshops

Can't be fired - Tenure its outrages, who gets a guarantee!

Their pensions are bloated and way out of line, time for self funded 401k plans for that bunch.

They don't teach worth a darn, but they sure can teach agendas.
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I'm always hearing how underpaid teachers are. I've read different things. I know as a teacher most days I feel underpaid, I feel overly stressed and beat down physically and emotionally.
But are we really as underpaid as everyone thinks?

“The demands of the job require that teachers make hundreds of decisions, large and small, each day, that they work for hours after the school day ends, and that they continuously engage in professional development activities to remain current. It’s quite intense. These are factors that very, very few private sector jobs require, and those that do compensate handsomely.”
[link to www.schoolbook.org]

"Raising pay alone won't boost teacher quality. Economist Dale Ballou shows that better qualified teacher applicants - such as those from more competitive colleges, with higher GPAs, and specializing in subject areas such as math and science - are actually lesslikely to be hired than other applicants, probably because principals and superintendents are biased toward the traditional teacher education route. Ballou and Michael Podgurskyshow that raising pay without reforms would draw more applicants and keep older teachers from retiring, potentially lowering the quality of the teacher workforce."
[link to www.realclearmarkets.com]

So as a tax paying citizen what do you think? Do you think teachers bitch to much about their pay or do you think they don't deserve the pay they get?
 Quoting: BlondeDramaQueen


Hey babe Yes they are.Hows the boobie Do ?
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The school day is over at 3:10 but most teachers stay at the school far longer than that, or at least have to take their work home with them (grading papers, making tests, etc.)
Many teachers, especially teachers of elementary school children, have to spend their own money on supplies for their classes.
The pay scale for teachers varies depending on where they live and where they teach. $60,000 in a large city like LA or Chicago isn't very much. Teachers in smaller towns and cities make far far less...

Teachers are forced to teach the curriculum given to them. Teachers do not have freedom to teach. Teachers do not have the authority to discipline. Teachers have to deal with your disrespectful kids (Probably learned from their disrespectful parents - most of you are on here too) all day while you are out socializing at your office (you act like you work so hard - you don't do shit)

So yes, I would say teachers are underpaid, especially in America, where they have to deal with your shitty, moronic kids.
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Let's not forget too that teachers pass out homework so that the parents have to do the teachers job so they can clock out at 2:30, yet the kids have to go home and finish the work day...
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