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Are Teachers Underpaid?

 
s. d. butler

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10/06/2012 09:14 PM
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Under paid? I think they are some of the dumbest fuckers in our society. They have done more damage to our kids than people can imagine...
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 22421783


Why do you think that?
You don't think it's the parents fucking their children up?
 Quoting: BlondeDramaQueen


When kids spend 8/9 hours a day with school teachers and spend 3/4 hours a day with their family, guess you they listen to.

They are fed societies crap all day every day. These idiot teachers just regurgitate all the crap they are told to. Just robots!

They disgust me. Fat, dumb, afraid fools. And we give our kids to them!!!! Crazy.

Over paid? They should be spit on!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 22421783


So you think the downfall of our society is based solely on the teachers?
 Quoting: BlondeDramaQueen


You have heard of John Taylor Gatto and what he says about teaching and the teaching profession?

You do know about John Dewey, the so called father of modern education, right? You do know that he based the American system on the Prussian model? The Prussians were getting fewer cannon fodder for their wars. So they overhauled the education system. Presto after awhile , no shortage of cannon fodder.

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SilverPatriot

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10/06/2012 09:24 PM

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Under paid? I think they are some of the dumbest fuckers in our society. They have done more damage to our kids than people can imagine...
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 22421783


Why do you think that?
You don't think it's the parents fucking their children up?
 Quoting: BlondeDramaQueen


If America were in the top 5 worldwide then the money spent on education would be well worth it however it is not merely the overpaid teachers who re nothing more than glorified prison guards it is the parents who cannot or will not tech their children right from wrong that are most to blame.
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10/06/2012 09:25 PM
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Yes, those poor striking teachers only $79,000. a year!!
I mean WTF!? anyway. Thats like only 2 houses and a car here, things many work a lifetime for, should be given away for sure.

Bad news is, it would probably cost more to employ any without a socialist marxist slant and who can actually read and write, so looks like we all screwed for life.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 24969748


They must work in the ghetto to get that amount. That's the only way bad schools can get teachers to work there is to make the salary higher.

Teacher's in safe, nice neighborhoods make between 25,000 - 40,000 a year. More if you have a masters, and even more if you have a PhD.

Teachers also spend a ton of their own money on the kids for many things the school won't provide.

Are they underpaid? I don't know. In my state, you have to have more than just a four year degree to be a teacher. If after 5+ years of college, you are only making 30,000 a year, tell me if they are paid enough.

It's a profession of love. It's not chosen to make your fortune.
 Quoting: Earth Daughter

Teachers in our very nice, very safe but high income area make up to 80,000. And we pay tons of property taxes to support it, and their endless pensions.

Those kids we laughed at for their ineptitude in school, who went to college for education degrees, now our property taxes are supporting their guaranteed jobs.

I guess they win. They are very proud of their bureaucracy.
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10/06/2012 09:28 PM
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I voted no, but it depends where they are at and what system they are under.

Know a teacher in N.Y. making 145K for teaching third effing grade. GTFO. Job's worth 50K tops, 60K cuz you're in NY. Wouldn't begrudge 70K cuz it's "for the children" but 145K? GTFO! Damn unions, curse them.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 13166822


is this a private school? Never heard of an elementary teacher getting paid that much.. ever.
 Quoting: Meligrove


No, it's not a private school.
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10/06/2012 09:29 PM
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Under paid? I think they are some of the dumbest fuckers in our society. They have done more damage to our kids than people can imagine...
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 22421783


Why do you think that?
You don't think it's the parents fucking their children up?
 Quoting: BlondeDramaQueen


If America were in the top 5 worldwide then the money spent on education would be well worth it however it is not merely the overpaid teachers who re nothing more than glorified prison guards it is the parents who cannot or will not tech their children right from wrong that are most to blame.
 Quoting: SilverPatriot


Our teachers would need an IQ transplant, and getting rid of curricula that make sure everyone of every race is comfortable, before we could be competitive again.
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10/06/2012 09:31 PM
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I am not a teacher, and nor do I feel the need to call one a dog.

A teacher I knew was paying $300 dollars a month, and she still had a $900 dollar deductible for this cheap insurance you speak of.

I wish I needed to say more to have a rebuttal for you, but for all you said, these scant words decisively expose your ignorance.
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We're not talking about A teacher, we're talking about the over all lot of them.. 300 hundred dollars a month, and 9 hundred dollar deductible? Where was that? Cuba? I didn't feel the need for you to call me out because of some remarks i made about the 'acknowledge knowledge' had about the whole over all situation, i'm sure you know the differences. you called me a liar just the same, only in a round about way.
ignorance can be improved on, stupid can't..
 Quoting: ceawaves


Twice now you have told me that I was being untruthful in your replies to my post. I have simply clarified my point, and you say I call you a liar.

When I say ignorant, I mean exactly that: not knowing. Please do not take offense at my choice of words.

Look, I wish I was lying. I am not going to come right out and say where I am from, as I choose to be discreet on this site.

I also acknowledge that things are not the same here as they are throughout the rest of the country. In this, I am ignorant. I speak for what I see, observe, and know from my perspective in my pocket of this country.

There is no need for petty insults.
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10/06/2012 09:33 PM
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This is why Illinois is so screwed.

Lazy ass teachers working 9 months out of the year, full pension, and striking to get more money.

[link to www.championnews.net]

Direct quote from champion news:

- A Phys. Ed teacher $203,154 for a 9 month work year.
- 14,866 teachers made more than $100,000 in 2011.
- 21 who made more over $1,000/day ($170,000/yr.)
- Drivers Ed teacher who salary is $18,222/month to teach teenagers how to parallel park.
- 13 teachers make more than the Governor’s $177,500.
- Top 100 Teachers average $18,169 per month salary ($163,579/yr).

Quinn bends over backwards since these people vote for him. Its the typical Democrat way of taxpayer funded purchase of votes.

Illinois keeps putting this losers in Jail. Corruption at its finest and Obama is one of them.
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10/06/2012 09:34 PM
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They are underpaid!

To be a Teacher you need to invest huge Amounts
of Money in your own Education, you need to live
close to the School which is sometimes more than expensive
and it is a Full Time Job!

Teachers should get the same amount of Money as every
Academician, they need to study the same Time like a Med.
and the Job is not that easy as many People think!
 Quoting: the mighty Atom



Maybe in Japan, not here where they get their college reimbursed for being a teacher and dont have to live close to school either..
Radical Idea
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10/06/2012 09:35 PM
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teachers and unionists are now the scum suckers off of society. We do not need public schools and can put K-12 on Television !!!!!!!!. Start by putting kids in rooms with TV monitors that have teachers. Boomsheeka can stand in the room and beat them down if they get out of line. Wow underpaid, they make 80k here in Shitagan by Detroit and they are not responsible for the product they produce. Can a store sue the school district because little trayvon made a 100million dollar error ?
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10/06/2012 09:40 PM
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My Daughter has been teaching 7th and 8th grade kids in a Catholic school in Dallas for 8 years. She's paid $35,000.00 a year, plus health insurance and 401K. She has been awarded several awards over the years for teaching exelence. I know that she spends about 10-12 hrs a day with her teaching duties while school's in session. She is leaving after this year to be a para legal. She loves teaching but is tired of living just above the poverty level and has no desire to teach in public school.

She has a degree in English Literature and English, minor in History, Communications, French and holds a certificate in counciling and has been in school for two years to gain a certificate to be a para legal.

It's sad to say, she will start off as a para legal twice the pay she is receiving as a teacher.
 Quoting: Longtrain58

Then her pay is about right
Anonymous Coward
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10/06/2012 09:43 PM
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My father was a school teacher. Work 6 hours a day 3 of those hours were free periods. Insane amounts of days off.
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10/06/2012 09:44 PM

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My father was a school teacher. Work 6 hours a day 3 of those hours were free periods. Insane amounts of days off.
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^^^this^^^
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davvi

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10/06/2012 09:47 PM

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these are salaries of an average sd in ny.


Kindergarten from starting salary to highest

$78,610

$39,640

$58,720

$80,070

$102,310

$117,420



Elementary

$83,090

$52,340

$65,930

$83,340

$102,540

$117,780



Middle school

$80,820

$51,970

$64,030

$80,050

$98,930

$114,770



High school

$83,560

$52,690

$64,510

$82,240

$102,990

$119,940

and then there is this, the average salaries of the people in the district.

Median family income: $65,287 (both parnets working)
Median male income: $37,336
Median female income: $21,552

how is this fair? leftists are all about fair share aren't they? does anyone know of any industry where failure or mediocrity is compensated so well?
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10/06/2012 09:50 PM
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For just pimping pc to children, "teachers" and the fine bureaucratic types that enables them deserve much abuse
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10/06/2012 09:52 PM

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I am not a teacher, and nor do I feel the need to call one a dog.

A teacher I knew was paying $300 dollars a month, and she still had a $900 dollar deductible for this cheap insurance you speak of.

I wish I needed to say more to have a rebuttal for you, but for all you said, these scant words decisively expose your ignorance.
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We're not talking about A teacher, we're talking about the over all lot of them.. 300 hundred dollars a month, and 9 hundred dollar deductible? Where was that? Cuba? I didn't feel the need for you to call me out because of some remarks i made about the 'acknowledge knowledge' had about the whole over all situation, i'm sure you know the differences. you called me a liar just the same, only in a round about way.
ignorance can be improved on, stupid can't..
 Quoting: ceawaves


Twice now you have told me that I was being untruthful in your replies to my post. I have simply clarified my point, and you say I call you a liar.

When I say ignorant, I mean exactly that: not knowing. Please do not take offense at my choice of words.

Look, I wish I was lying. I am not going to come right out and say where I am from, as I choose to be discreet on this site.

I also acknowledge that things are not the same here as they are throughout the rest of the country. In this, I am ignorant. I speak for what I see, observe, and know from my perspective in my pocket of this country.

There is no need for petty insults.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 23917036

Only place in the country i could possibly figure you would be, somewhere in the back woods of south eastern mountain region, You should expose the area so this injustice can be exposed.. because the national average with all benefits should be around 30/50 grand a year, that's on the very low end. You're telling us there are some teachers=government employees=union workers out there only being paid thirty six hundred dollars a year?
And i didn't call you a lair in the second reply... maybe A teacher lied to you, i surely don't know.. it's not personal, it's a forum.
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10/06/2012 10:00 PM
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I am an ex primary school teacher and they could not pay me enough to go back to that job!

I have worked in many different jobs and at the moment I am working in a small business. I have to say that teaching was the most time consuming and stressful job I have done.

I taught in both private and public schools so I can compare both. The stresses are different in each case.

Not only are you not able to discipline the children as you would like (I taught 20 years ago so I would imagine the kids are MUCH worse now!) you also have to deal with the expectations of the parents.

Out of 4 friends who all trained together there is only 1 still teaching and she is working for huge bucks in the Middle East!

If you are doing your job properly you are likely to be into work at 7am to prepare and then you are staying back until at least 5pm to do planning and preparation. Some schools will also expect you to coach sport so you may be tied up in the weekends also. Add to that the extra time spent with parent interviews, report evenings, etc, it really is a time consuming job.

If you love teaching it is the most rewarding job and you are remunerated with good holidays and the satisfaction of knowing you have helped others.

If you hate teaching it is the most hellish job!

I always say to friends at xmas time, "make sure you buy that teacher a present because they bloody deserve it!"
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10/06/2012 10:02 PM
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If they can shitcan bad/criminal teachers, then we can begin to measure pay fairness. Until then, "no".


Also, just cause a bunch of blacks and Mexicans can't learn, doesn't mean the teacher are bad
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10/06/2012 10:26 PM
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teachers are greedy


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People just can get used to the idea that there are a lot of really stupid people and no amount of money or attempts to educate can change it.
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10/06/2012 10:36 PM
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They have little job security once you get to the top of the pay grade you can never move from that school because any other school will hire a new inexperienced teacher that is at the bottom of the pay grade than one that knows far more about teaching but cost the price of three newbies.

I know it is not the same in America as it is here for teachers My mother is one with two university digress for the learning impaired and Aborigines teaching. She is entirely overqualified now and could never get a job teaching again because she just costs to much to employe despite being an excellent teacher.
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teachers are greedy


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teachers at least good ones work beyond the school hours and beyond what they get payed to do. My mother would work till 2am every day just getting everything ready for the next day all out of here own time school must have changed a great deal since I graduated.
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I am an ex primary school teacher and they could not pay me enough to go back to that job!

I have worked in many different jobs and at the moment I am working in a small business. I have to say that teaching was the most time consuming and stressful job I have done.

I taught in both private and public schools so I can compare both. The stresses are different in each case.

Not only are you not able to discipline the children as you would like (I taught 20 years ago so I would imagine the kids are MUCH worse now!) you also have to deal with the expectations of the parents.

Out of 4 friends who all trained together there is only 1 still teaching and she is working for huge bucks in the Middle East!

If you are doing your job properly you are likely to be into work at 7am to prepare and then you are staying back until at least 5pm to do planning and preparation. Some schools will also expect you to coach sport so you may be tied up in the weekends also. Add to that the extra time spent with parent interviews, report evenings, etc, it really is a time consuming job.

If you love teaching it is the most rewarding job and you are remunerated with good holidays and the satisfaction of knowing you have helped others.

If you hate teaching it is the most hellish job!

I always say to friends at xmas time, "make sure you buy that teacher a present because they bloody deserve it!"
 Quoting: Cleolotus

Would you agree that because we are no longer aloud to physically punish kids for miss behaving is the reason why kids are so out of control now a days?
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Under paid? I think they are some of the dumbest fuckers in our society. They have done more damage to our kids than people can imagine...
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 22421783


Why do you think that?
You don't think it's the parents fucking their children up?
 Quoting: BlondeDramaQueen

It was my teachers.Most of my teachers were mean and mad all the time.I never talked out of turn and never got in trouble.Still ,there were many times when my entire class including me would be punished for what a few would do.I hated the roller coaster of trying to keep my teachers happy.My parents were great .They loved me very much and let me know it.
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10/06/2012 10:51 PM
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No. They are not underpaid. In the county I live in the start out making $44,700 a year. That's with zero years experience: [link to www.fortbendisd.com]

That means a 22 or 23 year old fresh out of college could start off making that. They only work 9 months a year and they are actually off a little more than that when you factor in the 2 1/2 months summer break, over 2 weeks at Christmas, a week at Thanksgiving, a week at Spring Break and all the other bullshit one day holidays they get here and there during the 9 months they are actually at work.

There are many (degreed) people who make less than $44,700 start out pay with 0 experience who work 12 months a year and lucky to get two weeks vacation a year, a day at Christmas, a day at Thanksgiving and that's it. Considering teachers only work 9 months a year what they make is not bad at all.

It is no secret what teachers make. It's not like that school districts are advertising 6 figure salaries and then after teachers sign a contract the district is changing the terms and paying them $44,700 a year start out pay with 0 experience. People should consider what a teachers salary is BEFORE deciding to become one. If they don't like the pay then don't teach. Get a job where you work 12 months a year like everyone else as opposed to 9 months a year.
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Yes, those poor striking teachers only $79,000. a year!!
I mean WTF!? anyway. Thats like only 2 houses and a car here, things many work a lifetime for, should be given away for sure.

Bad news is, it would probably cost more to employ any without a socialist marxist slant and who can actually read and write, so looks like we all screwed for life.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 24969748


They must work in the ghetto to get that amount. That's the only way bad schools can get teachers to work there is to make the salary higher.

Teacher's in safe, nice neighborhoods make between 25,000 - 40,000 a year. More if you have a masters, and even more if you have a PhD.

Teachers also spend a ton of their own money on the kids for many things the school won't provide.

Are they underpaid? I don't know. In my state, you have to have more than just a four year degree to be a teacher. If after 5+ years of college, you are only making 30,000 a year, tell me if they are paid enough.

It's a profession of love. It's not chosen to make your fortune.
 Quoting: Earth Daughter

Teachers in our very nice, very safe but high income area make up to 80,000. And we pay tons of property taxes to support it, and their endless pensions.

Those kids we laughed at for their ineptitude in school, who went to college for education degrees, now our property taxes are supporting their guaranteed jobs.

I guess they win. They are very proud of their bureaucracy.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 23597994



Teaching your children, with your envious, hateful, jealous example....they are most likely obese, nasty and self rightgeous reflections of yourselves....

Teachers were second class, took low salaries and put up with foolish parental practice for decades.

They put up with the short term "me" generation because of a contract and they actually enjoyed trying/attempting to educate despite the selfish fool parents.
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Some are, the good ones whose salaries are tied to unions controlled wages who are pitted against teachers who are just coasting.


Here is what galls me more: Two university professors each making over $100k. One only goes to campus 2x a week, the other 3. Both are heavily invested in activities outside the university. Activities that require alot of time and investment. They have 2 kids.

Now just imagine how much time they are really dedicating to their classes at the university? Summers off... paid "research" vacations. Who is teaching their classes? who is available for when their students have questions? Not them.... like instructional aides, it would be the TA's or grad students.

Now that sucks.
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Under paid? I think they are some of the dumbest fuckers in our society. They have done more damage to our kids than people can imagine...
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 22421783


Why do you think that?
You don't think it's the parents fucking their children up?
 Quoting: BlondeDramaQueen


^ THIS
Pay them more with a clear way to get rid of the bad ones.

While your at it, fix the curriculum....it is not relevant for today.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 3475435


So you are saying that teachers aren't doing their job? They shouldn't have to be paid more to do the job they were fucking hired to do. If they didn't like the pay then they should have never accepted a teaching position.
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10/06/2012 11:07 PM
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Who isn't underpaid now a days?
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pay the good ones fire the rest of them.
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They are underpaid!

To be a Teacher you need to invest huge Amounts
of Money in your own Education, you need to live
close to the School which is sometimes more than expensive
and it is a Full Time Job!

Teachers should get the same amount of Money as every
Academician, they need to study the same Time like a Med.
and the Job is not that easy as many People think!
 Quoting: the mighty Atom



Moron, hate to break it to you, but EVERYONE has to invest in their own education