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The bible is plagerized... Ancient egyptian stories, The epic of gilgamesh, It was all said before... The Virgin birth, the flood ect. Woman was made at the same time as man in the 1st chapter of Genesis, then in the 2nd she is made later from the rib. Cant even get through the 1st book without the contradictions starting. It is a Story that early man a primitive and superstitious creature came up with to feel better and make sense of the world around him Its the idiots that still believe it today that are the sad ones.
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Why to confuse the Son of God with God?
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They love to pick and choose the parts of the bible they want to use and the ones that do not count anymore... Leviticus 18:22, the man should not lie with man verse, yet nothing mentioned about Lot sleeping with daughters, or its a sin to eat shellfish, or to blend materials and wear it, or loan money at interest. You would not even know who Jesus was if not for pauls letters. They neglect to tell you there is no mention of Noah, Moses, or abraham anywhere outside of the bible, when Jesus is mentioned once by the Jewish Historian Josephus... Christians do not tolerate History and will dismiss all logic when it comes to the Bile being a written text of orally told stories passed down from generation to generation. Never argue with a christian its like telling a 3 year old there is no santa, Like having a conversation with Rainman
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The bible is plagerized... Ancient egyptian stories, The epic of gilgamesh, It was all said before... The Virgin birth, the flood ect. Woman was made at the same time as man in the 1st chapter of Genesis, then in the 2nd she is made later from the rib. Cant even get through the 1st book without the contradictions starting. It is a Story that early man a primitive and superstitious creature came up with to feel better and make sense of the world around him Its the idiots that still believe it today that are the sad ones.
 Quoting: smokahontas


This argument is used over and over again.


However when the Holy Spirit sweeps through a Chinese town that is sharing one page of Scripture for the whole town.....and a 1,000 come to Christ on the spot.....then you know that God has paid them a visit.


God also paid me a visit......prior to me ever opening a Bible. And I was not seeking Him either.


He Himself showed me that I was lost and perishing......and thereafter I gave my life to Christ (1988)
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Why is it okay that immediately after the council of Nicea, emperor constantine had traditional pagan places of worship destroyed, and hundreds of thousands of heathens murdered, and why is everyone still OK with this?
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Why too is it ok that 13 books were left out? and that King James the first (a real immoral asshole) gets his own Version?
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Why is it okay that immediately after the council of Nicea, emperor constantine had traditional pagan places of worship destroyed, and hundreds of thousands of heathens murdered, and why is everyone still OK with this?
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That number is probably exaggerated, but we will never know exactly HOW many were killed. The Christians of the day made a great effort in destroying all literature and culture that existed prior to their time on earth.
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And who were the people Cain met and got a wife? The land East of Eden Called Nod, who the fuck were they? And how did Noah get the Gila Monster on the Boat?
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They love to pick and choose the parts of the bible they want to use and the ones that do not count anymore... Leviticus 18:22, the man should not lie with man verse, yet nothing mentioned about Lot sleeping with daughters, or its a sin to eat shellfish, or to blend materials and wear it, or loan money at interest. You would not even know who Jesus was if not for pauls letters. They neglect to tell you there is no mention of Noah, Moses, or abraham anywhere outside of the bible, when Jesus is mentioned once by the Jewish Historian Josephus... Christians do not tolerate History and will dismiss all logic when it comes to the Bile being a written text of orally told stories passed down from generation to generation. Never argue with a christian its like telling a 3 year old there is no santa, Like having a conversation with Rainman
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Well then read the Jewish Talmud, the vile and evil things they wrote and believe about Jesus and His earthly family. If he did not exist why would they waste so much seething hatred toward something?
Josephus was a sell out to the Roman government. He wrote nice things concerning Jewish history to appease his executioners. Yes, he even mentioned Jesus, as Jesus did have an influence on the people who abandoned the bought and paid for "priesthood" of the time. They could see through the BS of lies, or as Jesus said, adding to the laws of God, and burdening the people by manmade precepts to cause them to serve Rome and their obedient put in place "priesthood", for financial gain and control of the people.
There are actual artifacts and written historical documents that describe the era of Jesus time.
But you hate Him so and you desire that He never came to save that which was lost at the fall, so go your own way, you are not one of His and your seething hatred is just more proof that He is real as written the Talmud - why oh why would anyone be so vile towards anything that they don't believe happened or existed if - I myself do not believe in fairies, but I never discuss my non belief with words of hate - I just dismiss the whole subject into fantasy, not hatred
Perhaps you have an agenda to destroy out the faith of those that are called chosen and elected - which can't happen as Jesus says, the gates of hell will not destroy His kingdom, of which, you are not a part of.

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And why does Jesus say if you want to be on my staff you have to abandon your family? And why does Matthew , Mark, Luke and John all tell different versions of same story? And why do you go to whurch on Sunday when its says you should go on saturday and the only reason it was moved is cause Constantine worshipped the SUN
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Ok :-)

Do you seriously believe that an omniscient, omnipotent and omnipresent god would engage in the following...?

After creating a vast and unending universe he decides to bring into existence a being in his own image (he already has a few in the form of angels but would like something a little more basic).

So he chooses a tiny planet which circles a less than average sized star for his new toy. He creates a man, gives him a lovely garden and then after some time decides that this lonely soul needs a mate.

Out with a rib and presto! Woman.

Now the woman is a blight from the start (typical rligious chauvanism) and has a conversation with a snake. A snake!
The snake tells her that she can become an ubermensch if she snacks on a certain fruit from a tree god doesn't want anyone to touch (why place the tree there in the first place?).

So she does, and all that happens is that she realises she's naked (wow, that's naughty!)
The man, being what men are is easily duped by the promise of poon and so he too has a munch and suddenly he's ashamed of his bare ass.

Now there's some fucking and whatnot, some boys are born and one eventuall bumps the other dumass off...
Sound like a story only a human could come up with?
From there the rest of the book is a smorgasbord of violence, intolerance, hatred, genocide, patracide, infantacide,incest and some shit they haven't yet put into movies!

Jump ahead and what happens?

Out with the jealous, violent stormgod and in with the soft and thoroughly pathetic figure of jesus. God on earth.
Long forgotten are all the stuffy rules of what you can do with your dick and when. No more stonings, daughter offerings and menstrual phobias.
The stormgod is now a peace loving character.
Next, the suicide (which it is if jesus was god incarnate), a resurrection and up into heaven on a cloud.

I've left out most of the really insane bits like water skiing, booze production and the fish and chips shop that never runs low on ingredients for the sake of brevity and because most of us have been exposed to this nonsense before.

So, my question is...Why do you believe this?

:-)
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i have absolutely no idea what this is, but it sure isn't the bible God nor Christianity.

it is painfully obvious you haven't a clue.

i suggest getting one.
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And why does Jesus say if you want to be on my staff you have to abandon your family? And why does Matthew , Mark, Luke and John all tell different versions of same story? And why do you go to whurch on Sunday when its says you should go on saturday and the only reason it was moved is cause Constantine worshipped the SUN
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Genius, the life of Jesus is the most authenticated life in ancient history, with four independent witnesses of his life. Umm of course each account will differ slightly, like any police investigator knows, if you interview 10 witnesses of a crime, you will get 10 different accounts.

No, but you would rather believe some highly consolidated single narrative from a single viewpoint, that somehow makes it more truthful to you somehow.
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Why is there no Science in Christian Science?
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Christian Science is certainly more accurate an prescient than Science. I mean, think about it, Christian Science denounced modern Western medicine as completely inneffectual over a hundred years ago. And what disease has medicine cured in the last 60 years???? Zero. Nada. Zip.

Christian Science FTW!!!
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Nobody in their right minds can argue against advancements like antiseptics and penicillin to be extremely helpful. But who is to say that people werent just as healthy thousands of years ago, if not more? No McDonalds, cigarettes, etc.. Also our ozone layer and electromagnetic atmosphere are both deteriorating (atheists hate this 2nd law of thermodynamics), which means that there was probably a much healther air quality way back then.
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Ummm, antiseptics were used in ancient times, way before the advent of modern science. And penicillin was the one freakish outlier attributed to "Science", discovered through sheer dumb luck. Of course, modern medicine and science so over prescribed it, that its largely becoming useless now.

Other than that, modern medicine has not discovered a single cure for a disease. It is a spectacular failure, but tards continue to have FAITH in it for some reason.
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Not at all my freind. If christians couls just say the bible is a great lesson book, and that jesus was a Martyr, If they could just take the moral compass for what it is, If they could really Judge not, If they could admit it was a bronze age civilisation and take it in its historical context,that it is symbolic, and metaphorical it would be easier deal with christians. But no, you take literally the most ridiculous stories and undermine your intellegence , like a virgin birth, parting a sea, walking on water, raising the dead, Coming back to life, The ark, 3 days in the belly of a whale...
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And why does Jesus say if you want to be on my staff you have to abandon your family? And why does Matthew , Mark, Luke and John all tell different versions of same story? And why do you go to whurch on Sunday when its says you should go on saturday and the only reason it was moved is cause Constantine worshipped the SUN
 Quoting: smokahontas


Genius, the life of Jesus is the most authenticated life in ancient history, with four independent witnesses of his life. Umm of course each account will differ slightly, like any police investigator knows, if you interview 10 witnesses of a crime, you will get 10 different accounts.

No, but you would rather believe some highly consolidated single narrative from a single viewpoint, that somehow makes it more truthful to you somehow.
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We could also add the importance of keeping things in context. People like to cite things such as "hate your mother and father" as if Jesus were actually telling us to loathe them and want them dead. Of course all he was saying is that we have to love God more than anyone or anything else, even if it means your own family turns against you.
Have I now become your enemy by telling you the truth? (Gal. 4:16)
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Why is it okay that immediately after the council of Nicea, emperor constantine had traditional pagan places of worship destroyed, and hundreds of thousands of heathens murdered, and why is everyone still OK with this?
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Anyone willing to take this?
Christians are still upset about Nero, but no one is willing to touch Constantine.
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Why is it okay that immediately after the council of Nicea, emperor constantine had traditional pagan places of worship destroyed, and hundreds of thousands of heathens murdered, and why is everyone still OK with this?
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Anyone willing to take this?
Christians are still upset about Nero, but no one is willing to touch Constantine.
 Quoting: jadksn 24543892


Umm, because liberals like to fudge the numbers and truth, and like to throw out things like "hundreds of thousands of heathens murdered", 6 million died in a Holocaust, etc., etc.,

LOL you do realize that Constantine was a Roman emperor, and they constantly fought civil wars with their rivals?

And what Christian still goes crying on about Nero from like 2000 years ago? Thats just dumb.
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Why do you bother so much on whatever happened 2000+ years ago and we can't accurately know?
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Why is it okay that immediately after the council of Nicea, emperor constantine had traditional pagan places of worship destroyed, and hundreds of thousands of heathens murdered, and why is everyone still OK with this?
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Anyone willing to take this?
Christians are still upset about Nero, but no one is willing to touch Constantine.
 Quoting: jadksn 24543892


You have to understand that this stuff gets demanded of us a hundred times a day, and that people asking it generally haven't first done a little research to see if it's been answered already. A quick google search would save us a lot of repetition. So that's why we're not exactly in a hurry to jump when they get asked again.

We have indeed "touched" Constantine. If you have ever read the work of historian Philip Schaff, he shows that even before Constantine there was a growing root of hierarchy that the disciples had warned about. The NT writers told us that wolves would arise from among us and scatter the flock, and it happened within a generation of their departure.

So what Constantine did was not something new, but the formalization of something already in progress. As a shrewd leader, he saw that Christianity could serve him better as a state religion than an enemy. What he wanted from the Council was just to make some formal lists and dogmas to be made law; the canon of scripture was already mostly set, with only a very few documents still undecided. Constantine also saw to it that the rather loose hierarchies were solidified and formalized into rigid levels of rank, with pay scales to match.

So this fake, state Christianity was nothing like Jesus or the disciples taught, and there were small groups outside of it from the start. As I recall, the Donatists were among the first identified, and the first persecuted by the now state-empowered "church". Rome never stopped hounding Christians, but only changed their label to "heretics".

Clearly, then, we are not "okay with that".
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how can christianity come from the Jewish religion, when the Jews do not think people have a soul or an afterlife?
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How can you justify denying rights to homosexuals over a single line in a book?

Also why are we not killing everyone who works on the sabbath, plants two crops side by side, wears clothes of mixed cloth or handles leather.

Why are our daughters not sold as slaves? Why are we ignoring the content of 95% of the bible?
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The bible is plagerized... Ancient egyptian stories, The epic of gilgamesh, It was all said before.
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Did you see that on teevee?


It's a long history lesson but the book of Genesis was not written by Moses. It was written by 10 firsthand witnesses all the way back to Adam. (Wiseman hypothesis) Genesis is the oldest text on the planet.

After the flood Noah's sons founded Sumer in the Land of Kish (Cush) and Babylon.
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how can christianity come from the Jewish religion, when the Jews do not think people have a soul or an afterlife?
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Christianity comes from the Bible. What the Jews believe today is irrelevant.
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Why do you bother so much on whatever happened 2000+ years ago and we can't accurately know?
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'Caveman' is fiction mind control.
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The bible is plagerized... Ancient egyptian stories, The epic of gilgamesh, It was all said before... The Virgin birth, the flood ect. Woman was made at the same time as man in the 1st chapter of Genesis, then in the 2nd she is made later from the rib. Cant even get through the 1st book without the contradictions starting. It is a Story that early man a primitive and superstitious creature came up with to feel better and make sense of the world around him Its the idiots that still believe it today that are the sad ones.
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This argument is used over and over again.

However when the Holy Spirit sweeps through a Chinese town that is sharing one page of Scripture for the whole town.....and a 1,000 come to Christ on the spot.....then you know that God has paid them a visit.

God also paid me a visit......prior to me ever opening a Bible. And I was not seeking Him either.

He Himself showed me that I was lost and perishing......and thereafter I gave my life to Christ (1988)
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spoken like a true brainwashed cult member.
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How can you justify denying rights to homosexuals over a single line in a book?

Also why are we not killing everyone who works on the sabbath, plants two crops side by side, wears clothes of mixed cloth or handles leather.

Why are our daughters not sold as slaves? Why are we ignoring the content of 95% of the bible?
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Sodomites already have the same rights as I do. No need to anoint them as a superior and protected class with extra rights.

And as for the rest, you might have skipped over the NT I believe.
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The Virgin birth, the flood ect.

Woman was made at the same time as man in the 1st chapter of Genesis, then in the 2nd she is made later from the rib. Cant even get through the 1st book without the contradictions starting.
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There are no virgin messiahs that predate Christianity. They were invented/added after the fact.

various parallel claims by zeitgeist and masonic sources debunked

[link to www.kingdavid8.com]

Two creation stories? Is this where you tell Christian believers what the Bible says, LOL. There are no contradictions; chapter 2 is a more detailed account of the 6th day.

Two creations?

[link to creation.com]
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The Virgin birth, the flood ect.

Woman was made at the same time as man in the 1st chapter of Genesis, then in the 2nd she is made later from the rib. Cant even get through the 1st book without the contradictions starting.
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There are no virgin messiahs that predate Christianity. They were invented/added after the fact.

various parallel claims by zeitgeist and masonic sources debunked

[link to www.kingdavid8.com]

Two creation stories? Is this where you tell Christian believers what the Bible says, LOL. There are no contradictions; chapter 2 is a more detailed account of the 6th day.

Two creations?

[link to creation.com]
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Christians will dicount all that does not fit. Again you cannot argue reason with a point not founded in reason.
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How can you justify denying rights to homosexuals over a single line in a book?

Also why are we not killing everyone who works on the sabbath, plants two crops side by side, wears clothes of mixed cloth or handles leather.

Why are our daughters not sold as slaves? Why are we ignoring the content of 95% of the bible?
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There are no slaves as critics claim. They do not believe in God or Christianity and the Bible thus have no interest in the truth of the matter. There were bond servants. These were willing servants who have no other means of support. Paul and Peter called themselves bond servants of Jesus.

1:1 "Simon Peter, a servant and an apostle of Jesus Christ,"
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how can christianity come from the Jewish religion, when the Jews do not think people have a soul or an afterlife?
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Christianity comes from the Bible. What the Jews believe today is irrelevant.
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and Jesus was supposed to be the Messiah that the JEWS were waiting for, according to Jewish prophecies. Jesus himself said he was a Jew. how can Jesus talk about saving your soul and raising from the dead and going to heaven, when the Jews thought there was no soul and no afterlife?

why do the christians think the Jews are their heritage, why do they want to support Israel, why do they think the Jews are their buddies, when Jewish religion was and still is totally different? when they don't believe in Jesus? when, as the christians say, they crucified Jesus? when even today, even right now, they mock Jesus? look on youtube for some videos if you don't believe me. so why do christians do this? it's like hugging someone who doesn't want to be hugged. it's ridiculous. why do they do it?

if an atheist mocks Jesus the christians would say he is going to hell and some might even be inclined to send him there. but why do they ignore it when the Jews mock Jesus? and they do. why?

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