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smokahontas

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how can christianity come from the Jewish religion, when the Jews do not think people have a soul or an afterlife?
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Christianity comes from the Bible. What the Jews believe today is irrelevant.
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and Jesus was supposed to be the Messiah that the JEWS were waiting for, according to Jewish prophecies. Jesus himself said he was a Jew. how can Jesus talk about saving your soul and raising from the dead and going to heaven, when the Jews thought there was no soul and no afterlife?

why do the christians think the Jews are their heritage, why do they want to support Israel, why do they think the Jews are their buddies, when Jewish religion was and still is totally different? when they don't believe in Jesus? when, as the christians say, they crucified Jesus? when even today, even right now, they mock Jesus? look on youtube for some videos if you don't believe me. so why do christians do this? it's like hugging someone who doesn't want to be hugged. it's ridiculous. why do they do it?

if an atheist mocks Jesus the christians would say he is going to hell and some might even be inclined to send him there. but why do they ignore it when the Jews mock Jesus? and they do. why?
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Jesus was an angry, evangilist who believed the end of the world would occur in his lifetime, As did many in that era. He may have been a little crazy as well to believe he was the son of Santa Claus.
"I may not agree with what you say, but I would defend to the death your right to say it." Voltaire

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And why does Jesus say if you want to be on my staff you have to abandon your family? And why does Matthew , Mark, Luke and John all tell different versions of same story? And why do you go to whurch on Sunday when its says you should go on saturday and the only reason it was moved is cause Constantine worshipped the SUN
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Most likely, as can be attested to by observance, to leave ones family is to abandon all man made religions, as opposed to following the One True God, Jesus Christ, which they (their families) do not know and will not follow because they are not called chosen and elected, and will continue to put faith in a false priesthood that if they do certain sacrifices and observances, they will be declared saved.
Not so with Jesus. He said I am the Way the lifeand the Truth. He calls and no one is worthy, or even able to respond, without the indwelling of the Holy Spirit. Only God can declare them clean. Not by works.
So yes, their family begins to hate them for not following the traditions of their religion that always served their conscious. They (the followers of Jesus) must then bare up under the rejection of the very ones that loved them when they have found the One True Savior Jesus Christ, not by their own knowledge, but by Gods calling, they know this, it is against the ways of the world they walk and are hated for doing so.

I don't go to Church on Sunday. I pray, study, and witness of God seven days a week. I am not against Sunday as a day of worship, and Monday would work for me too. We are in the eighth day, but that is another Bible lesson that most don't understand. But no matter, they that are called are always still His chosen ones out of a dead and dying world
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how can the christians say how awful the world is, that it's dead and dying, and Jesus is the only way out, when they did their best for 1500 years to totally eradicate everything else but christianity and their Jesus?
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how can the christians say how awful the world is, that it's dead and dying, and Jesus is the only way out, when they did their best for 1500 years to totally eradicate everything else but christianity and their Jesus?
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Oh be stupid already, all that calls itself Christian is not of Christ. Who spent hundreds of years killing Christians in the name of Jesus, but the very ones that claimed to be of Christ?

Oh, and the wars and rumors of wars that continue on today are but of the same power, still killing Christians in each country, and putting their henchmen,that they created hundreds of years ago, in power.
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Why is it okay that immediately after the council of Nicea, emperor constantine had traditional pagan places of worship destroyed, and hundreds of thousands of heathens murdered, and why is everyone still OK with this?
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Anyone willing to take this?
Christians are still upset about Nero, but no one is willing to touch Constantine.
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You have to understand that this stuff gets demanded of us a hundred times a day, and that people asking it generally haven't first done a little research to see if it's been answered already. A quick google search would save us a lot of repetition. So that's why we're not exactly in a hurry to jump when they get asked again.

We have indeed "touched" Constantine. If you have ever read the work of historian Philip Schaff, he shows that even before Constantine there was a growing root of hierarchy that the disciples had warned about. The NT writers told us that wolves would arise from among us and scatter the flock, and it happened within a generation of their departure.

So what Constantine did was not something new, but the formalization of something already in progress. As a shrewd leader, he saw that Christianity could serve him better as a state religion than an enemy. What he wanted from the Council was just to make some formal lists and dogmas to be made law; the canon of scripture was already mostly set, with only a very few documents still undecided. Constantine also saw to it that the rather loose hierarchies were solidified and formalized into rigid levels of rank, with pay scales to match.

So this fake, state Christianity was nothing like Jesus or the disciples taught, and there were small groups outside of it from the start. As I recall, the Donatists were among the first identified, and the first persecuted by the now state-empowered "church". Rome never stopped hounding Christians, but only changed their label to "heretics".

Clearly, then, we are not "okay with that".
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Surely you understand that Christianity wouldn't even be a footnote in history without emperor constantine, though. Without eradicating indigenous populations, and setting up their own foreign religion in other lands, Christianity would have stayed for the most part in the middle east.
So from what I can see, Christianity is a deeply flawed belief system, much like America which was built on genocide and slavery.
We've already addressed the problems with genocide and slavery, but not much has been done with the problems of Christianity.
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Surely you understand that Christianity wouldn't even be a footnote in history without emperor constantine, though. Without eradicating indigenous populations, and setting up their own foreign religion in other lands, Christianity would have stayed for the most part in the middle east.
So from what I can see, Christianity is a deeply flawed belief system, much like America which was built on genocide and slavery.
We've already addressed the problems with genocide and slavery, but not much has been done with the problems of Christianity.
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Don't be so sure of what might or might not have been. The RCC and even the Reformers tried their best to eradicate real Christianity and failed. They tried to hide or obscure the Bible, and they failed. Had they not existed at all, we'd not only have a thriving Christian presence in the world, but it would not be riddled with scandal and greed and power struggles. And that, in turn, means a very different and better world. I'd say that's far from a mere footnote.

What you are talking about is the fake, worldly Christianity. I'd dearly have loved for that never to take root.

Here's an informal commentary I did on a church history you've never seen: [link to books.fether.net] . Read it and then we'll talk some more.
Have I now become your enemy by telling you the truth? (Gal. 4:16)
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Surely you understand that Christianity wouldn't even be a footnote in history without emperor constantine, though. Without eradicating indigenous populations, and setting up their own foreign religion in other lands, Christianity would have stayed for the most part in the middle east.
So from what I can see, Christianity is a deeply flawed belief system, much like America which was built on genocide and slavery.
We've already addressed the problems with genocide and slavery, but not much has been done with the problems of Christianity.
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Don't be so sure of what might or might not have been. The RCC and even the Reformers tried their best to eradicate real Christianity and failed. They tried to hide or obscure the Bible, and they failed. Had they not existed at all, we'd not only have a thriving Christian presence in the world, but it would not be riddled with scandal and greed and power struggles. And that, in turn, means a very different and better world. I'd say that's far from a mere footnote.

What you are talking about is the fake, worldly Christianity. I'd dearly have loved for that never to take root.

Here's an informal commentary I did on a church history you've never seen: [link to books.fether.net] . Read it and then we'll talk some more.
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Alrighty.
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Why can't the creator of the Universe be some other god, maybe one that no one on earth has ever been able to describe? Why does it have to be YOUR god that did all that? Because, it seems obvious that YOUR god (the Biblical one) is too daft, insane, ignorant, psychopathic, genocidal, fickle, and angry over nothing, to be the kind of intelligent being it would take to make an entire universe.
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Why can't the creator of the Universe be some other god, maybe one that no one on earth has ever been able to describe? Why does it have to be YOUR god that did all that? Because, it seems obvious that YOUR god (the Biblical one) is too daft, insane, ignorant, psychopathic, genocidal, fickle, and angry over nothing, to be the kind of intelligent being it would take to make an entire universe.
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Father, glorify your name!" Then a voice came from heaven, "I have glorified it, and will glorify it again." John 12:28
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Why can't the creator of the Universe be some other god, maybe one that no one on earth has ever been able to describe? Why does it have to be YOUR god that did all that? Because, it seems obvious that YOUR god (the Biblical one) is too daft, insane, ignorant, psychopathic, genocidal, fickle, and angry over nothing, to be the kind of intelligent being it would take to make an entire universe.
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Father, glorify your name!" Then a voice came from heaven, "I have glorified it, and will glorify it again." John 12:28
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Wow! That answers nothing.
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Why can't the creator of the Universe be some other god, maybe one that no one on earth has ever been able to describe? Why does it have to be YOUR god that did all that? Because, it seems obvious that YOUR god (the Biblical one) is too daft, insane, ignorant, psychopathic, genocidal, fickle, and angry over nothing, to be the kind of intelligent being it would take to make an entire universe.
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Father, glorify your name!" Then a voice came from heaven, "I have glorified it, and will glorify it again." John 12:28
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Wow! That answers nothing.
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Why can't the creator of the Universe be some other god, maybe one that no one on earth has ever been able to describe? Why does it have to be YOUR god that did all that? Because, it seems obvious that YOUR god (the Biblical one) is too daft, insane, ignorant, psychopathic, genocidal, fickle, and angry over nothing, to be the kind of intelligent being it would take to make an entire universe.
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Father, glorify your name!" Then a voice came from heaven, "I have glorified it, and will glorify it again." John 12:28
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Wow! That answers nothing.
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<< Daniel 12:10 >>
Many will be purified, made spotless and refined, but the wicked will continue to be wicked. None of the wicked will understand, but those who are wise will understand.
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Christian logic, If you don't believe in my faith that automatically makes you an athiest. Christianity and most man made religions are shit. And no I'm not an athiest, just a person with enough logic to realize Christianity is a control system and nothing more than primitive man trying to make Heads or tails of his world. It amazes me people like op even come to this site.
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Why can't the creator of the Universe be some other god, maybe one that no one on earth has ever been able to describe? Why does it have to be YOUR god that did all that? Because, it seems obvious that YOUR god (the Biblical one) is too daft, insane, ignorant, psychopathic, genocidal, fickle, and angry over nothing, to be the kind of intelligent being it would take to make an entire universe.
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Father, glorify your name!" Then a voice came from heaven, "I have glorified it, and will glorify it again." John 12:28
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Wow! That answers nothing.
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<< Daniel 12:10 >>
Many will be purified, made spotless and refined, but the wicked will continue to be wicked. None of the wicked will understand, but those who are wise will understand.
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Again. Nothing. You're on a roll! Soon your nothingness will surpass you and your mind will implode!
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Father, glorify your name!" Then a voice came from heaven, "I have glorified it, and will glorify it again." John 12:28
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Wow! That answers nothing.
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<< Daniel 12:10 >>
Many will be purified, made spotless and refined, but the wicked will continue to be wicked. None of the wicked will understand, but those who are wise will understand.
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Again. Nothing. You're on a roll! Soon your nothingness will surpass you and your mind will implode!
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We will see.
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Christian logic, If you don't believe in my faith that automatically makes you an athiest. Christianity and most man made religions are shit. And no I'm not an athiest, just a person with enough logic to realize Christianity is a control system and nothing more than primitive man trying to make Heads or tails of his world. It amazes me people like op even come to this site.
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Alright new age hippy, just shut up and go worship your crystals.
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Christian logic, If you don't believe in my faith that automatically makes you an athiest. Christianity and most man made religions are shit. And no I'm not an athiest, just a person with enough logic to realize Christianity is a control system and nothing more than primitive man trying to make Heads or tails of his world. It amazes me people like op even come to this site.
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Alright new age hippy, just shut up and go worship your crystals.
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At least those crystals won't send him to hell forever!
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Christian logic, If you don't believe in my faith that automatically makes you an athiest. Christianity and most man made religions are shit. And no I'm not an athiest, just a person with enough logic to realize Christianity is a control system and nothing more than primitive man trying to make Heads or tails of his world. It amazes me people like op even come to this site.
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Alright new age hippy, just shut up and go worship your crystals.
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At least those crystals won't send him to hell forever!
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And help him from it as well. Useless.
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Christian logic, If you don't believe in my faith that automatically makes you an athiest. Christianity and most man made religions are shit. And no I'm not an athiest, just a person with enough logic to realize Christianity is a control system and nothing more than primitive man trying to make Heads or tails of his world. It amazes me people like op even come to this site.
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Alright new age hippy, just shut up and go worship your crystals.
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I don't even understand this insult.
Please, take your foreign religion back to where it belongs if this is how your people choose to carry on.
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The bible is plagerized... Ancient egyptian stories, The epic of gilgamesh, It was all said before... The Virgin birth, the flood ect. Woman was made at the same time as man in the 1st chapter of Genesis, then in the 2nd she is made later from the rib. Cant even get through the 1st book without the contradictions starting. It is a Story that early man a primitive and superstitious creature came up with to feel better and make sense of the world around him Its the idiots that still believe it today that are the sad ones.
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Plagiarized? There is no book called 'Gilgamesh' in the Bible. Archaeological discoveries (dead sea scrolls) can actually prove the Old Testament to be one of the oldest (if not oldest) pieces of literature ever found. I noticed how you didnt cite anything. There are no contradictions in the Bible. Please name one if you have the time. Thanks.
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They love to pick and choose the parts of the bible they want to use and the ones that do not count anymore... Leviticus 18:22, the man should not lie with man verse, yet nothing mentioned about Lot sleeping with daughters, or its a sin to eat shellfish, or to blend materials and wear it, or loan money at interest. You would not even know who Jesus was if not for pauls letters. They neglect to tell you there is no mention of Noah, Moses, or abraham anywhere outside of the bible, when Jesus is mentioned once by the Jewish Historian Josephus... Christians do not tolerate History and will dismiss all logic when it comes to the Bile being a written text of orally told stories passed down from generation to generation. Never argue with a christian its like telling a 3 year old there is no santa, Like having a conversation with Rainman
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Lot and the towns of Sodom and Gomorrah is an interesting story. If you knew the context, it explains Lot unknowingly slept with his daughter. Lot and his daughters were lucky to barely escape the towns before they were destroyed, for their defiance to God and several other evil practices. Leviticus outlines the foods that are clean and unclean, but they are for the 'children of Israel'. Same with the Sabbath. The children of Israel are supposed to be a testament to the rest of the world. I still dont eat pork and most of the things outlined as unclean in Leviticus, because there are a lot of potentially harmful things in there actually. Jesus was also documented by Tacitus, btw. Fundamental Christianity is completely aligned with historical records. Do you know who all the old kings of Israel/Judah were? Where do you think you could find that information?
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Why can't the creator of the Universe be some other god,

This is what I think! What if the pagan god was THE
GOD? The god that is truly good, and respects the
earth and the life that was put forth.
Maybe Some of this God is written about in the Bible,
yet the priests and scholars decided to change it, and
then eliminate all forms of "pagan", GOD worship...for
their own agenda? The agenda to instill fear and obedience.
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Why can't the creator of the Universe be some other god,

This is what I think! What if the pagan god was THE
GOD? The god that is truly good, and respects the
earth and the life that was put forth.
Maybe Some of this God is written about in the Bible,
yet the priests and scholars decided to change it, and
then eliminate all forms of "pagan", GOD worship...for
their own agenda? The agenda to instill fear and obedience.
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If you research the Bible, you will find that there are codes within it. Codes and appearances of certain vocabulary that could only exist within the orginal Bible which the KJV was translated from. Chuck Missler has great info on this. There is no pagan book. There were no pagan disciples/apostles, or any relevant archaeological discoveries regarding paganism. There is Christmas, though.
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Why can't the creator of the Universe be some other god,

This is what I think! What if the pagan god was THE
GOD? The god that is truly good, and respects the
earth and the life that was put forth.
Maybe Some of this God is written about in the Bible,
yet the priests and scholars decided to change it, and
then eliminate all forms of "pagan", GOD worship...for
their own agenda? The agenda to instill fear and obedience.
 Quoting: dpepper 25268115


If you research the Bible, you will find that there are codes within it. Codes and appearances of certain vocabulary that could only exist within the orginal Bible which the KJV was translated from. Chuck Missler has great info on this. There is no pagan book. There were no pagan disciples/apostles, or any relevant archaeological discoveries regarding paganism. There is Christmas, though.
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bump
Ha, they choose to not know these things. That is why they have forty new versions to read, to cover up this code, where each word has a specific meaning, not according to the new "thought" or "bastardized english language", but according to the meaning assigned to each and every word, according to the time when it was written, forever. Let them go their own way of "well, "I think", "it must mean this," The meaning never changed, the education level has, of course.
Let them go their own way, they are but fooled into the the "now" of life, when the very foundation on which they stand was formed way before their comic book education existed.
They even changed the dictionaries of the encoding of meaning of the words, to match their dumbed down fluid slang language. They learned it in Public school. There is no truth, just "How I be feeling"
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I would be happy to help answer any questions you may have regarding fundamental Christianity, its history, and the science which backs it. Thank you for your honest inpnut. God bless
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Are priests allowed to marry?
Do priests like to fuck little boys?
Does the pope dover up pediphilia?
Why can't god defend his own honor, he is god after all?
Do people actually think they get to go to heaven just by repenting?
Does it make sense for a religion to charge money to exist?
Does something that created an entire universe or more actually care about one shitty planet more than the rest?
What god has more innocent people been slaughtered in the name of?

These are extremly fundamental. It's to obvious isn't it?
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I would be happy to help answer any questions you may have regarding fundamental Christianity, its history, and the science which backs it. Thank you for your honest inpnut. God bless
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Are priests allowed to marry?
Do priests like to fuck little boys?
Does the pope dover up pediphilia?
Why can't god defend his own honor, he is god after all?
Do people actually think they get to go to heaven just by repenting?
Does it make sense for a religion to charge money to exist?
Does something that created an entire universe or more actually care about one shitty planet more than the rest?
What god has more innocent people been slaughtered in the name of?

These are extremly fundamental. It's to obvious isn't it?
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why does the catholic church condone the murder of others, and they "pay away of sins", as documented historically?, albeit, Christ was a drunken recalcitrant hobo, with some mates that got hammered on the night of his arrest.... pffffft.... he was offered 3 times to recant being god-like but didn't.. either he or the romans were wrong.. either way, they all look like silly bitches...

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Are priests allowed to marry?
Do priests like to fuck little boys?
Does the pope dover up pediphilia?
Why can't god defend his own honor, he is god after all?
Do people actually think they get to go to heaven just by repenting?
Does it make sense for a religion to charge money to exist?
Does something that created an entire universe or more actually care about one shitty planet more than the rest?
What god has more innocent people been slaughtered in the name of?

These are extremly fundamental. It's to obvious isn't it?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 25465004


why does the catholic church condone the murder of others, and they "pay away of sins", as documented historically?, albeit, Christ was a drunken recalcitrant hobo, with some mates that got hammered on the night of his arrest.... pffffft.... he was offered 3 times to recant being god-like but didn't.. either he or the romans were wrong.. either way, they all look like silly bitches...
 Quoting: citizenperth


Really? You put a lot of your twisted little thoughts into the scriptures. Sounds like a script you have lived.
Jesus came to die. Little words with a big meaning. I bet you weren't born to die - enjoy your little paltry seventy or less years - you are not one of His obviously.

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