Israel: The worst apartheid in modern history | |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 24924823 United States 10/07/2012 03:40 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | |
Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 1449517 Canada 10/07/2012 03:47 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 9204251 Australia 10/07/2012 03:49 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | |
Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 1449517 Canada 10/07/2012 03:52 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Israel's Troubling Tilt Toward Apartheid - This is CRAZY! [link to www.consortiumnews.com] "The United Nations General Assembly may well have been wrong in 1975 to equate Zionism with racism, since many early Israelis rejected extremist notions regarding separation of Jews from Arabs. But today a virulent form of Zionism is turning Israel in the direction of an intolerant apartheid state.Share this article This ultra-conservative strain of Judaism is now represented at senior levels of Benjamin Netanyahu’s government, especially in the Housing Ministry, which recently humiliated Vice President Joe Biden by announcing 1,600 more Jewish housing units in East Jerusalem as Biden was arriving to reaffirm U.S. solidarity with Israel. An under-reported element of the flare-up between the Obama administration and Netanyahu’s government is that Israel’s Housing Minister Ariel Atias, who sprang the announcement during Biden’s visit, is a religious fanatic whose ultra-Orthodox Judaism is about as intolerant of others as many extreme forms of Islam are. Atias, a rising star in the religious Shas Party, has publicly called for imposing legal and physical constraints on the housing choices of Israel’s Arab population. But his demands for segregation do not stop at Arabs. He also targets secular Jews who don’t follow strict religious rules. Last July, Atias told a conference of the Israel Bar Association that Israel’s Arab population must be prevented from buying homes in many parts of Israel. "I see [it] as a national duty to prevent the spread of a population that, to say the least, does not love the state of Israel," Atias declared. "If we go on like we have until now, we will lose the Galilee. Populations that should not mix are spreading there. I don't think that it is appropriate [for them] to live together." Atias also spoke favorably about relying on aggressive ultra-Orthodox Jews, known as Haredis, to keep the Arabs in line. Citing Jewish-Arab tensions that broke out in the town of Acre, Atias recounted a conversation he had with the city’s mayor about how Acre could be saved. Atias said: “He told me 'bring a bunch of Haredis and we'll save the city, even if I lose my political standing.' He told me that Arabs are living in Jewish buildings and running them out." In Atias’s vision for Israel, certain lands would be sold to Arabs, others to ultra-Orthodox Jews, and still others to secular Jews, creating a nation segregated along inter- and intra-religious lines. “I, as an ultra-Orthodox Jew, don't think that religious Jews should have to live in the same neighborhood as secular couples, so as to avoid unnecessary friction,” Atias explained. Some of that friction between the ultra-Orthodox Jews and secular Jews relates to the anger of the ultra-Orthodox Haredis against Jewish women dressing in ways that are considered immodest or against secular Jews who don’t follow strict rules against using machinery on the Sabbath. These tensions are similar to those in strict Islamic states, where morality police arrest or humiliate women whose bodies are not adequately covered. Atias noted that the ultra-Orthodox Haredis “need synagogues and do not want any traffic on Shabbat. Seculars demand cultural facilities.” Favoring His Own Inside Israel, Atias has come under criticism for favoring his fellow ultra-Orthodox Jews in opening more new housing units to them than to secular Jews and surely to Arabs. "There is a severe housing crisis among the young ultra-Orthodox couples, and in the general population,” Atias said, explaining his thinking. “And since some 5,000 to 6,000 religious couples get married every year, a problem arises because they require a certain kind of community life that goes along with their lifestyle." Commenting on Atias’s statements, some leftist members of the Knesset have deplored the racism implicit in his policies. "Racism is spreading throughout the government, and Minister Atias is the latest to express it,” said Hadash Chairman Mohammad Barakeh. “The government and everyone in it must realize that Arabs are living in their homeland and they have no other. If there is any foreign element in the Galilee, it is not the Arabs." [For details, see Haaretz.com, and Ynet.com, July 2, 2009] Last September, in announcing favorable housing decisions for his ultra-Orthodox brethren, Atias reaffirmed his goal of achieving a segregated society. "I've said it in the past and I say it again: I don't think populations can be mixed together,” Atias told Haaretz. “A Haredi [ultra-Orthodox] population needs to live in locations with other Haredim, so we don't descend to sectarian violence, as is happening right now in Kiryat Yovel in Jerusalem. … “I advocate the separation of population groups as a healthy solution.” The 39-year-old Atias is regarded as a poorly educated politician who travels little, if at all, outside Israel. Still, he is an emerging powerbroker in the Shas Party, which represents a key element of Netanyahu’s Likud coalition. Atias, who previously was in charge of inspecting kosher meat and who has advocated censorship of the Internet, was placed second on the Shas candidate list in 2009. In Israel, the position of Housing Minister also is very important, given the significance of settlements to the concept of a Greater Israel and to the peace process. Past housing ministers have included future prime ministers, including Ariel Sharon and Netanyahu himself. Atias’s intolerance toward the mixing of Arabs and Jews and even Jews of different religious orientation goes a long way to explain the refusal of Netanyahu’s government to pull back on expansion of Jewish settlements into traditionally Arab lands. To do so would risk rupturing the governing coalition. ‘Anti-Semitic’ Charge Criticism of Israeli housing policies often draws angry responses from right-wing Israelis and American neoconservatives. For instance, the Obama administration’s complaint about Atias’s housing decision during Biden’s visit prompted Netanyahu’s brother-in-law, Hagai Ben Artzi, to label Obama as “anti-Semitic,” adding: “it's not that Obama doesn't sympathize with [Netanyahu]. He doesn't sympathize with the people of Israel." Netanyahu quickly distanced himself from Artzi’s comment. American neocons also have blamed Obama primarily for the housing dispute with Netanyahu's government. On Tuesday, the Washington Post’s neocon editorialists wrote, “It has been a little startling – and a little puzzling – to see Mr. Obama deliberately plunge into another public brawl with the Jewish state. … The dispute’s dramatic escalation … seems to have come at the direct impetus of Mr. Obama.” On March 2, Post columnist Richard Cohen labeled as anti-Semitic pretty much anyone who objects to Israel’s discrimination against Palestinians. Israel “is not motivated by racism,” Cohen declared. “That’s more than can be said for many of its critics.” Cohen was especially outraged by anyone who would compare the plight of Palestinians in and around Israel to South African blacks under “apartheid.” Yet, while the parallel is far from perfect, Atias’s plans for segregated neighborhoods for Arabs, for secular Jews and for ultra-Orthodox Jews does sound a lot like apartheid. Even thoughtful Israelis are beginning to grapple with the moral and political dilemma of Jewish settlers seizing Palestinian lands on the basis of Biblical mandates in which God supposedly granted all the territory to the Israelites. Defense Minister Ehud Barak, a Labor Party representative in Netanyahu’s government, has warned that the extreme Zionist vision of a Greater Israel could lead to either a single state with a Palestinian majority or special rules to limit Palestinian civil rights. “If, and as long as between the Jordan and the sea, there is only one political entity, named Israel, it will end up being either non-Jewish or non-democratic,” Barak said at a recent security conference. “If the Palestinians vote in elections, it is a bi-national state, and if they don't, it is an apartheid state.” However, to the Post’s Cohen, you are deserving of the ugly charge of anti-Semitism if you suggest that some form of apartheid looms in Israel’s future if it continues down its current path. Cohen scolded Henry Siegman, who wrote an op-ed for the Financial Times and mentioned the word apartheid several times. Noting that Siegman was a former executive director of the American Jewish Congress, Cohen conceded that “anti-Semitism is not the issue here.” Cohen then added, however, “anti-Semitism is not so easily dismissed with others.” Such knee-jerk defenses of Israel by influential American neocons apparently have emboldened Netanyahu and his coalition allies like Shas to believe they can do pretty much whatever they wish regardless of the desires – or interests – of the United States. Other Middle East experts believe Atias and his Shas Party may be oblivious to the political repercussions in Washington. As The Atlantic’s Jeffrey Goldberg told New York Times columnist Maureen Dowd, “It’s not entirely clear to me that the Shas Party knows who Joe Biden is or cares.” Prince Saud al-Faisal, Saudi Arabia’s foreign minister, told Dowd that Israel’s ultra-conservative religious groups were “killing every option that comes out that has peace in its objective.” Still, with U.S. neocons protecting Netanyahu’s back regardless of the reckless actions of his Shas allies, his government seems destined to plunge ever deeper into ethnic and religious segregation." |
Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 1449517 Canada 10/07/2012 03:59 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Apartheid State of Israel Carries Out Holocaust by: Huda Shaka' Monday, May 15 marks the 58th anniversary of the creation of the apartheid state of Israel. Why preface it with the ugly “A” word? Because I believe that the state of Israel, with its racist policies against the Palestinians and illegal occupation of their land, is an apartheid state. Since 1906, when the Zionist congress decided to establish a Jewish homeland in Palestine, Zionist forces, first underground terrorist militias like the Haganah and Igron and then Israel’s Occupational Forces, have attempted to systematically annihilate Palestinians, and drive them out of their land by oppression, torture and humiliation. The Palestinians have and continue to resist this injustice. As a direct result of the creation of the state of Israel, there are 6 million Palestinian refugees today—comprising around three-quarters of the Palestinian people, and nearly one-third of the global refugee population. One might disagree with the the opinions above. That’s perfectly fine. However, what is completely ridiculous is to be accused of anti-Semitism every time I, or any other member of the campus community, criticize the apartheid state of Israel. We’ve been through this argument several hundred times, but for the sake of clarity, let’s go through it once more. Zionism is not Judaism. Zionism is a political ideology and Judaism is a religion, one of the three Abrahamic faiths. Criticism of the state of Israel is a political opinion. It is an attack on Zionism, on the ideology behind the state’s racist policies. It is not an attack on Judaism, or its followers. In fact, as a Muslim, my religion requires me to respect all faiths, especially the Abrahamic faiths which share a common lineage of prophets. However, my religion also requires me to stand up against oppression and injustice, anywhere they occur. The Muslim Student Union on campus is sponsoring several events this week on the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, to raise awareness of the injustices Palestinians are subjected to on a daily basis. The title chosen for the week is “Holocaust in the Holy Land”. People might disagree as to whether what is happening in occupied Palestine may be considered a holocaust. Again, that is perfectly fine. In fact, this controversial title was partly chosen to attract an audience and encourage a political debate on this topic at UC Irvine. I think encouraging discourse and critical thinking on a college campus is a good thing. However, pro-Zionist groups would strongly disagree. They will go to any lengths necessary to stifle any criticism of the apartheid state of Israel, including accusing the events of being anti-Semitic. Pro-Zionist students and organizations have already started throwing these accusations around, in addition to accusing MSU of inciting hate on campus and asking the UCI administration to intervene and stop the events. The keynote speaker for MSU’s week-long program is Professor Norman Finkelstein, an American-Jewish scholar on the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, and the son of Holocaust survivors. Also, MSU is sponsoring a talk by Rabbi Y. Weiss, an anti-Zionist Jewish Rabbi, who will be discussing the difference between Zionism and Judaism. Still anti-Semitic? When on campus this week, check out MSU’s mock Israeli apartheid wall on Anteater Plaza. This is what the apartheid state of Israel is constructing in the West Bank to annex more of Palestinian land and divide the area into Bantustans, reminiscent of apartheid South Africa. If you’re interested in finding out more, come to MSU’s events this week and hear the less-heard view on the conflict. Then, make up your own mind. Visit [link to www.msu-uci.com] for more info. [link to horus.vcsa.uci.edu] |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 25128418 Saudi Arabia 10/07/2012 01:38 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 21661618 Romania 10/07/2012 01:45 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Oh the poor Palestinians, the big bad wolf Israel is torturing them ! How would you treat a neighbor that has made it clear that it's only purpose in life is to kill you ! Where do you think Hamas gets it's recruits ? They just materialize out of thin air? No, they come from Palestinians who have been indoctrinated since childhood to hate Jewish people ! Israel stands on the same land as Palestine and yet through decades of hard work and dedication they managed to transform that desert into a prosperous country...what did the Palestinians do ? Well they are almost completely dependent on foreign aid and they sit all day on their asses plotting new ways to kill Israelis ! |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 801743 United States 10/07/2012 01:52 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 3140080 Netherlands 10/07/2012 03:01 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 14001161 United Kingdom 10/07/2012 03:11 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | CYBER-WARFARE PSYOPS WARNING. Numerous conspiracy websites like this one function as disinformation and cointelpro operations run by western gov/mil. They also function as honeypots and used for data mining purposes to identify and profile forum users. Many trolls/shills/thread derailers on conspiracy sites will be spooks doing the work of their employers ~ USA/UK/Israel. Some 'posters' are multiple identity bots controlled by humans. The shills and trolls are paid operatives who are most likely employed by private companies contracted by alphabet agencies to run black propaganda campaigns on conspiracy forums, some of which have been infiltrated and/or domains covertly purchased and completely taken over. It's a major PSYOP aimed at internet users who are waking up. Welcome to the CYBER WAR. YOU are the enemy. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 23057782 United States 10/07/2012 03:13 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Oh the poor Palestinians, the big bad wolf Israel is torturing them ! Quoting: subzero86 How would you treat a neighbor that has made it clear that it's only purpose in life is to kill you ! Where do you think Hamas gets it's recruits ? They just materialize out of thin air? No, they come from Mossad agents reprogramming Palestinians to hate Jewish people adn to create a controlled opposition! Israel stands on the same land as Palestine and yet through decades of hard work and dedication they managed to transform that desert into a prosperous country...what did the Palestinians do ? Well they are almost completely dependent on foreign aid and they sit all day on their asses plotting new ways to kill Israelis ! Fixed it for you |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 23057782 United States 10/07/2012 03:15 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 17582373 Romania 10/07/2012 03:16 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Oh the poor Palestinians, the big bad wolf Israel is torturing them ! Quoting: subzero86 How would you treat a neighbor that has made it clear that it's only purpose in life is to kill you ! Where do you think Hamas gets it's recruits ? They just materialize out of thin air? No, they come from Mossad agents reprogramming Palestinians to hate Jewish people adn to create a controlled opposition! Israel stands on the same land as Palestine and yet through decades of hard work and dedication they managed to transform that desert into a prosperous country...what did the Palestinians do ? Well they are almost completely dependent on foreign aid and they sit all day on their asses plotting new ways to kill Israelis ! Fixed it for you Well, you're ZAZZ so I won't even bother coming up with an answer to that ! It would be like trying to teach string theory to a chimp ! |
Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 1449517 Canada 10/07/2012 04:08 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 23057782 United States 10/07/2012 07:52 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Oh the poor Palestinians, the big bad wolf Israel is torturing them ! Quoting: subzero86 How would you treat a neighbor that has made it clear that it's only purpose in life is to kill you ! Where do you think Hamas gets it's recruits ? They just materialize out of thin air? No, they come from Mossad agents reprogramming Palestinians to hate Jewish people adn to create a controlled opposition! Israel stands on the same land as Palestine and yet through decades of hard work and dedication they managed to transform that desert into a prosperous country...what did the Palestinians do ? Well they are almost completely dependent on foreign aid and they sit all day on their asses plotting new ways to kill Israelis ! Fixed it for you Well, you're ZAZZ so I won't even bother coming up with an answer to that ! It would be like trying to teach string theory to a chimp ! |
Enim1 User ID: 1089842 United States 10/07/2012 11:17 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 22712082 United States 10/07/2012 11:22 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 24312377 United States 10/07/2012 11:25 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | |