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Upcoming Supreme Court case : Can you resell your own stuff???

 
Chrit

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This is the first step at “taxing the internet” without passing an internet tax law.


All they see is $$$$

This all happened cause a guy made over a million bucks selling books on E-bay and they had no way to collect any taxes from it.
I'm only human, it's my biggest flaw.

We must all realize a sink a chair and a pillow are all luxuries of home and a soldiers helmet takes the place of all three.
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"resell"? How can you resell your stuff if you never sold it in the first place? All you did was buy it.

The original seller is the one doing the "resell" if he extracts money, once again, for the object he sold in the first place.

Just think about it. The original seller can extract money every time his product is sold at a garage sale or on Ebay etc. Used articles are sold over and over. Lots of buyer go to places to buy used things to take them to their place to sell them, and that person that buys from them, may have a garage sale and sell it at his place and on and on until it gets sold at the time of a person's death and starts all over again.
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What will the statists say?? Probably yes but you have to pay a tax, otherwise you're a criminal!

[link to www.marketwatch.com]
Your right to resell your own stuff is in peril

It could become illegal to resell your iPhone 4, car or family antiques

Tucked into the U.S. Supreme Court’s busy agenda this fall is a little-known case that could upend your ability to resell everything from your grandmother’s antique furniture to your iPhone 4.

 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 20610884


This would put eBay out of business over night.

Do you know what this will do to the market?!?!?!

LOL - bye bye USA.
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"resell"? How can you resell your stuff if you never sold it in the first place? All you did was buy it.

The original seller is the one doing the "resell" if he extracts money, once again, for the object he sold in the first place.

Just think about it. The original seller can extract money every time his product is sold at a garage sale or on Ebay etc. Used articles are sold over and over. Lots of buyer go to places to buy used things to take them to their place to sell them, and that person that buys from them, may have a garage sale and sell it at his place and on and on until it gets sold at the time of a person's death and starts all over again.
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this is a Mafia racket, and plain as the nose on your face: this proves our government has been taken over by the Mafia; (the Midus Touch in perversion retrospect) everything the Mafia and its family members touch, it turns to crime.
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10/07/2012 02:10 PM
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One word...unenforceable!
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this law will never pass, not because they care about your rights, but because it will open up huge blackmarket buying and selling and government will miss out on sales taxes
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 22775281


Not so sure. There's already a huge black market, thru craigslist, ebay, etc. And it's unregulated because there's no obvious intent to circumvent the law, even though everyone knows sales tax will not be paid on cash transactions resulting from craigslist ads.

But if this law is upheld, they could require documentation of saleability behind every craigslist ad, to "protect the copyright holders". Craigslist itself could be liable, which means the end of craigslist. Everything will have to go thru official channels. Freedom will take a huge hit.
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10/07/2012 02:14 PM
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One word...unenforceable!
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Perhaps, but, if it becomes law it will be another nail in the coffin..another lame excuse for them to fine/imprison us, if they are looking for a reason to put us out of commission for a while..beat us down with fines, keep us dependent on them...
think......what if they took it a step further and shipped offenders to the countries who had their copyright infringed upon, or allowed those countries to punish us under their law?? think Sharia/Islam..good way to get rid of some...not saying they would take it that far, but, who knows...
Once it is in the books, there is no stopping them..
Why even let them get their foot in the door with this?

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You know, if you took this even a step further, we couldn't even sell our HOMES!! Think of all of the foreign building materials, right down to screws and nails and the paint on the walls, which go into constructing a house!!! bump
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What a bump for the homebuilding industry ... just what Obama wants. You'll have to buy a new house made of all new materials, newly built by illegal immigrants.
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One word...unenforceable!
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this law will never pass, not because they care about your rights, but because it will open up huge blackmarket buying and selling and government will miss out on sales taxes
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how do you tax a barter system?- and what would be the loop holes?
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10/07/2012 02:19 PM
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One word...unenforceable!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 24917207


this law will never pass, not because they care about your rights, but because it will open up huge blackmarket buying and selling and government will miss out on sales taxes
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 22775281


One word...unenforceable!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 24917207


this law will never pass, not because they care about your rights, but because it will open up huge blackmarket buying and selling and government will miss out on sales taxes
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 22775281


Ugggg I would not worrie about it. It won't happen, and would LOSE them money. Sometime people get a little over excited on this site :0))))))
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One word...unenforceable!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 24917207


this law will never pass, not because they care about your rights, but because it will open up huge blackmarket buying and selling and government will miss out on sales taxes
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 22775281


how do you tax a barter system?- and what would be the loop holes?
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Barter REALLY requires some sort of internet contact, like ebay or craigslist or something like that. Not only do you have to find someone offering what you want to get, but they have to want what you are willing to give in exchange.

If this passes, internet ads could become illegal unless the poster proves they have the right to sell the item.
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One word...unenforceable!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 24917207


this law will never pass, not because they care about your rights, but because it will open up huge blackmarket buying and selling and government will miss out on sales taxes
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 22775281


One word...unenforceable!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 24917207


this law will never pass, not because they care about your rights, but because it will open up huge blackmarket buying and selling and government will miss out on sales taxes
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 22775281


Ugggg I would not worrie about it. It won't happen, and would LOSE them money. Sometime people get a little over excited on this site :0))))))
5ayoda5arant
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Uhhhhhhhhhh.....I think it may. This administration is AGAINST capitalism and FREE market. This would take a HUGE chunk out of the "small business world", leaving more people desolate....dependent on the Government. Places like eBay, Craig's list, etc. will be gone. BUT it will make a BIGGER Government when Field Agents have to be hired to ensure NO Flea Markets, Garage Sales,etc. And if the Agents do come upon a garage sale, you better have you paperwork in order or face HUGE fines.
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One word...unenforceable!
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this law will never pass, not because they care about your rights, but because it will open up huge blackmarket buying and selling and government will miss out on sales taxes
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 22775281


One word...unenforceable!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 24917207


this law will never pass, not because they care about your rights, but because it will open up huge blackmarket buying and selling and government will miss out on sales taxes
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 22775281


Ugggg I would not worrie about it. It won't happen, and would LOSE them money. Sometime people get a little over excited on this site :0))))))
5ayoda5arant
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But apparently this is at SCOTUS because it was approved by one of the Circuit Courts of Appeal. It's already the law in one of the circuits, maybe suspended pending this appeal to the Supremes.
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10/07/2012 02:45 PM
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What will the statists say?? Probably yes but you have to pay a tax, otherwise you're a criminal!

[link to www.marketwatch.com]
Your right to resell your own stuff is in peril

It could become illegal to resell your iPhone 4, car or family antiques

Tucked into the U.S. Supreme Court’s busy agenda this fall is a little-known case that could upend your ability to resell everything from your grandmother’s antique furniture to your iPhone 4.

 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 20610884


Reading more into this, the case involves importing goods from outside the US, then reselling them here in the US.

As quoted from the article:

[quote]

The case stems from Supap Kirtsaeng’s college experience. A native of Thailand, Kirtsaeng came to America in 1997 to study at Cornell University. When he discovered that his textbooks, produced by Wiley, were substantially cheaper to buy in Thailand than they were in Ithaca, N.Y., he rallied his Thai relatives to buy the books and ship them to him in the United States.

He then sold them on eBay, making upward of $1.2 million, according to court documents.

Wiley, which admitted that it charged less for books sold abroad than it did in the United States, sued him for copyright infringement. Kirtsaeng countered with the first-sale doctrine.


[/quote]

The language involves profiteering without a business license to do so, Just saying.

This does not involve selling your old used iPod on eBay.

putin
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What will the statists say?? Probably yes but you have to pay a tax, otherwise you're a criminal!

[link to www.marketwatch.com]
Your right to resell your own stuff is in peril

It could become illegal to resell your iPhone 4, car or family antiques

Tucked into the U.S. Supreme Court’s busy agenda this fall is a little-known case that could upend your ability to resell everything from your grandmother’s antique furniture to your iPhone 4.

 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 20610884




EBAY..CRAIGSLIST AND OTHERS DONE..DONE I SAY.!
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What will the statists say?? Probably yes but you have to pay a tax, otherwise you're a criminal!

[link to www.marketwatch.com]
Your right to resell your own stuff is in peril

It could become illegal to resell your iPhone 4, car or family antiques

Tucked into the U.S. Supreme Court’s busy agenda this fall is a little-known case that could upend your ability to resell everything from your grandmother’s antique furniture to your iPhone 4.

 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 20610884


AND THE U.S. WOULD REIMBURSE TO THOSE COUNTRYS.. THE TAX..YA..RIGHT..


China, Japan or Europe, for example, would have to give you permission to sell it.
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One word...unenforceable!
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I'll call your word and raise you another word. Selective enforcement.
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"resell"? How can you resell your stuff if you never sold it in the first place? All you did was buy it.

The original seller is the one doing the "resell" if he extracts money, once again, for the object he sold in the first place.

Just think about it. The original seller can extract money every time his product is sold at a garage sale or on Ebay etc. Used articles are sold over and over. Lots of buyer go to places to buy used things to take them to their place to sell them, and that person that buys from them, may have a garage sale and sell it at his place and on and on until it gets sold at the time of a person's death and starts all over again.
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this is a Mafia racket, and plain as the nose on your face: this proves our government has been taken over by the Mafia; (the Midus Touch in perversion retrospect) everything the Mafia and its family members touch, it turns to crime.
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Well, I guess that this is all we can expect from an Administration which is primarily from Chicago.

It's "the Chicago Way".
"I have come to the conclusion that all news should be treated like 9/11, assume it is a psyop with actors participating in a staged event complete with props, until proven otherwise, in which case assume whatever is being recorded, reported, televised, is distortions/lying by omission/outright lies, until proven otherwise." - Anonymous, 4-13-12
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Capitalism is dieing, and its your own god damn fault for voting in a communist!
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Yes, and wait and watch who votes against personal freedom - it will be the republican appointed judges 5-4. You people are living in such a dream world.
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10/07/2012 03:38 PM
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The SC is null and void. They lost all credibility with the unconstitutional "Obama care" bullshit. We do not have to obey them.
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I hate to spoil the middle class entitlement party but creators and innovators have an inalienable right to determine the dissemination and destiny of their works.

If someone creates something you want - such as a car - they have a right to decide the terms. They may only want to rent it to you or lease it for a period of time. There is no endowment by our Creator that says you have a right to sell another's effort.

Anyone that feels they are entitled to profit from another person's invention is the communist.
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What will the statists say?? Probably yes but you have to pay a tax, otherwise you're a criminal!

[link to www.marketwatch.com]
Your right to resell your own stuff is in peril

It could become illegal to resell your iPhone 4, car or family antiques

Tucked into the U.S. Supreme Court’s busy agenda this fall is a little-known case that could upend your ability to resell everything from your grandmother’s antique furniture to your iPhone 4.

 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 20610884


I hope and pray that a trigger to get people to STOP allowing this insanity, does exist. It's reached a point FAR beyond embarrassing, just how much unbelievable BULLSHIT people are willing to take.

Your "government" prepares for war against you, while simultaneously making virtually everything illegal, and yet the domesticated zombies just take whatever The Scum That Be have in store for them.

The average person breaks dozens of laws after getting out of bed in the morning. Not because they are criminals, but because there are MILLIONS of laws!!

This abomination (country) has become everything that the founding fathers WARNED us about. And the REAL horror is, that people will apparently take ANY assault on their liberties that The Powers That Suck dish out.

Which begs the question...

How far will it go????????????????
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products that are made abroad and if the Supreme Court upholds an appellate court ruling it would mean that the copyright holders of anything you own that has been made in China, Japan or Europe, for example, would have to give you permission to sell it.

^^^So, everything we buy here...screw this!!! We need to fight this..not take it lying down like some whipped dog...WHEN WILL PEOPLE WAKE UP???


wtf
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A whipped dog has far more dignity than your average dipshit AmeriKan.
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Old news.. Please use the search box..
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Old, to some, is new, to others! It isn't all about YOU! hf
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Seems to me it's all about you
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Old news.. Please use the search box..
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Old, to some, is new, to others! It isn't all about YOU! hf
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Seems to me it's all about you
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And thanks for the bad karma you piece of shit!
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Oh wait, your Canadian! That explains it..

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GET THIS!!

The timing of this??? October 29!! When everybody will be focused on the election and nobody will give a fuck about this VERY IMPORTANT RULING that could destroy what's left of the economy!
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The corporations are trying to sneak this through.

Big business would love nothing more than to shut down the second hand market thus forcing people to buy new.

This is abhorant.

5* op for finding this.
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What will the statists say?? Probably yes but you have to pay a tax, otherwise you're a criminal!

[link to www.marketwatch.com]
Your right to resell your own stuff is in peril

It could become illegal to resell your iPhone 4, car or family antiques

Tucked into the U.S. Supreme Court’s busy agenda this fall is a little-known case that could upend your ability to resell everything from your grandmother’s antique furniture to your iPhone 4.

 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 20610884


Reading more into this, the case involves importing goods from outside the US, then reselling them here in the US.

As quoted from the article:

[quote]

The case stems from Supap Kirtsaeng’s college experience. A native of Thailand, Kirtsaeng came to America in 1997 to study at Cornell University. When he discovered that his textbooks, produced by Wiley, were substantially cheaper to buy in Thailand than they were in Ithaca, N.Y., he rallied his Thai relatives to buy the books and ship them to him in the United States.

He then sold them on eBay, making upward of $1.2 million, according to court documents.

Wiley, which admitted that it charged less for books sold abroad than it did in the United States, sued him for copyright infringement. Kirtsaeng countered with the first-sale doctrine.


[/quote]

The language involves profiteering without a business license to do so, Just saying.

This does not involve selling your old used iPod on eBay.

putin
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thanx for that, I've just made a dick of myself with my previous post.
Make note toself, verify article before typing.
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If this happens I'm going to start stealing, and I suggest everyone do the same. That will send a clear message to keep their bloody little hands away from what doesn't belong to them.
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What will the statists say?? Probably yes but you have to pay a tax, otherwise you're a criminal!

[link to www.marketwatch.com]
Your right to resell your own stuff is in peril

It could become illegal to resell your iPhone 4, car or family antiques

Tucked into the U.S. Supreme Court’s busy agenda this fall is a little-known case that could upend your ability to resell everything from your grandmother’s antique furniture to your iPhone 4.

 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 20610884


Will the current justices be seating in their seats this fall? i doubt it. They refused to oust the illegal immigrant in the white house. They refused to honor the OATH they took to uphold the US Constitution from all enemies foreign and domestic.....the next POTUS could
remove all of them for violating their OATH of office.

stay tuned....i think this current court of justices is history
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a VOTE for Mitt Romney is a VOTE for Ron Paul...i read where the electoral college has demanded proof from POTUS candidates of their eligibility...they will not cast their vote for another ineligible POTUS.

Romney is not a natural born citizen
Obama is not a citizen...

Therefore, it is a very good possibility that the electoral college will elect Ron Paul, counting all Mitt Romney's votes, and give them to Ron Paul who is still a RNC Candidate.

The beauty of the electoral college is, the two parties do not have access to the names in the college, it's secret; i don't think even other states know who they are other than their own state.

If Ron Paul is elected; you can say adios to the setting justices. You can also say adios to the Federal Reserve Board and a slew of wasteful spending agencies....Ron Paul will trim the government and he will balance the budget...at his age, he has nothing to lose politically; by setting america back on track as a REPUBLIC, and getting rid of acts of congress that go against the US Constitution...i.e. Obamacare, Dodd-Frank, and all other spending out of control acts of congress.
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norespect
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Can you imagine a Honda dealership? "Yeah, we'll give you $2,000 trade-in value for your 2010 Accord.". "WTF?" "OK, don't take our offer -- you're not allowed to sell it at all now".



They uphold this and the economy goes KABOOOOOOM.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 20610884


It would stimulate the economy wouldn't it? Shut down ebay and craigslist resales and make people buy newly manufactured stuff.

Agree, though, it's insane, a terrible idea. Sounds like just the sort of crap John Roberts (traitor) would vote for.
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John Roberts is a republican. This is a republican initiative. Therefore if John Roberts is a "traitor" he will vote against it and it will fail.

THe republicans real wet dream to stimulate the economy is to kill off public libraries. This will force people to buy rather than borrow. Also resale of old items would hurt libraries too, because a lot of libraries are reselling old books dvds and cds to subsidize their budgets.

So remember little republican sheep, buy buy buy, because it's all going bye bye bye real soon.
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GET THIS!!

The timing of this??? October 29!! When everybody will be focused on the election and nobody will give a fuck about this VERY IMPORTANT RULING that could destroy what's left of the economy!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 20610884


Exactly, "what's left;" all over here now are consignment stores, yard sales daily, and folks selling online.
We have a big sale planned ourselves. So do many of our friends.
It is a matter of survival.
Also, I am in CA, where the underground economy is the only economy left for ordinary folks.
Sick.