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BREAKING: Trickle down economics is BULLSHIT! - The wealthy should pay more taxes!

 
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I have a solution that should satisfy everyone:

Let's tax people at the same rate they want to tax other people.

Libertarians will pay only enough sales tax to fund a defensive military.

Democrats will be taxed at 100%-200% of income in addition to sales, property, inheritance, and special additional taxes as they deem good For The Children(tm).

Republicans will pay enough sales tax to fund the portion of the prison system that houses non-violent drug offenders in addition to all the Libertarian requirements.

Independents aren't smart enough to figure out who to vote for, so they will be special slaves to Republicans who will be in charge of culling the Democrats from time to time.

goofy thum
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If you were truly free, taxes would be voluntary, not taken at the point of a gun.
Thread: One sentence that will prove you are not free.


I agree with this!
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That is exactly correct.
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I have a solution that should satisfy everyone:

Let's tax people at the same rate they want to tax other people.

Libertarians will pay only enough sales tax to fund a defensive military.

Democrats will be taxed at 100%-200% of income in addition to sales, property, inheritance, and special additional taxes as they deem good For The Children(tm).

Republicans will pay enough sales tax to fund the portion of the prison system that houses non-violent drug offenders in addition to all the Libertarian requirements.

Independents aren't smart enough to figure out who to vote for, so they will be special slaves to Republicans who will be in charge of culling the Democrats from time to time.

goofy thum
 Quoting: The Governor


How about we fund Big Bird and you can fund the bloated military you love so much?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 25098629


The Governor is saying that if that is your wish, so be it.

are you also going to fund
30,000 drones flying over the united states?
Are you going to fund all the ammunition they've been buying?
are you going to fund the too big to fail banks?
are you going to fund operation gun runner?
Do you like funding the department of transportation?
Do you like funding foreign governments?

It seems the only thing lefties can figure out they don't want to pay for is military spending, but don't mind turning our own country into a gunless police state.

Treason use to mean giving money and aid to our enemies, now the government steals the money by force gives it to our enemies and calls it foreign aid.

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How about we go to a National Sales tax, INSTEAD of an income tax. That way we all pay on what we consume. I'm not even rich, and I agree with that.
 Quoting: illuminatinwo


OP isn't interested in economic facts or matters of philosophical morality.

He's an envious, poor, talentless drone, and he wants everyone else to be brought down to his level using the force of hired goons.
 Quoting: The Governor


amen
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How about we go to a National Sales tax, INSTEAD of an income tax. That way we all pay on what we consume. I'm not even rich, and I agree with that.
 Quoting: illuminatinwo


OP isn't interested in economic facts or matters of philosophical morality.

He's an envious, poor, talentless drone, and he wants everyone else to be brought down to his level using the force of hired goons.
 Quoting: The Governor


amen
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 16764770


Probably not a drone, but I have a feeling, he is feeling the pain of this designed collapse, and he will be the first one to sign up for a global currency to save us all sponsored by a global bank, as long as they give him enough candy to survive.
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Re: BREAKING: Trickle down economics is BULLSHIT! - The wealthy should pay more taxes!
I have a solution that should satisfy everyone:

Let's tax people at the same rate they want to tax other people.

Libertarians will pay only enough sales tax to fund a defensive military.

Democrats will be taxed at 100%-200% of income in addition to sales, property, inheritance, and special additional taxes as they deem good For The Children(tm).

Republicans will pay enough sales tax to fund the portion of the prison system that houses non-violent drug offenders in addition to all the Libertarian requirements.

Independents aren't smart enough to figure out who to vote for, so they will be special slaves to Republicans who will be in charge of culling the Democrats from time to time.

goofy thum
 Quoting: The Governor


How about we fund Big Bird and you can fund the bloated military you love so much?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 25098629


The Governor is saying that if that is your wish, so be it.

are you also going to fund
30,000 drones flying over the united states?
Are you going to fund all the ammunition they've been buying?
are you going to fund the too big to fail banks?
are you going to fund operation gun runner?
Do you like funding the department of transportation?
Do you like funding foreign governments?

It seems the only thing lefties can figure out they don't want to pay for is military spending, but don't mind turning our own country into a gunless police state.

Treason use to mean giving money and aid to our enemies, now the government steals the money by force gives it to our enemies and calls it foreign aid.
 Quoting: GodFrequency


Man, you are burnin' it up today!
applause2
Welcome to Woodbury.

I think being a Democrat should be a felony.

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It's the middle class that built this country, not the old wealth family douche bags who hoard their wealth in banks, and spend more time putting on golf courses than doing any actual work.

I'm so sick and tired of hearing the trickle down economics bullshit from those wealthy corporate apologists who complain that millionaires have to pay too much...boo fucking hoo you cock suckers! Sorry that you won't be able to afford your gold plated toilet seat this year because you pay a slightly higher tax rate than the rest of us.

Remember who it is that generates that immense wealth for you, it's the middle class. Yea, those guys & gals who actually have to work and break a sweat in your factories and businesses so your ass can go play golf and enjoy a 5-star dinner at your douche bag country club.

If you make over 100k a year, you have absolutely nothing to complain about, so STFU and enjoy your life you ungrateful pieces of parasitical pond scum!
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I second that motion.
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How about we go to a National Sales tax, INSTEAD of an income tax. That way we all pay on what we consume. I'm not even rich, and I agree with that.
 Quoting: illuminatinwo


OP isn't interested in economic facts or matters of philosophical morality.

He's an envious, poor, talentless drone, and he wants everyone else to be brought down to his level using the force of hired goons.
 Quoting: The Governor


amen
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 16764770


Probably not a drone, but I have a feeling, he is feeling the pain of this designed collapse, and he will be the first one to sign up for a global currency to save us all sponsored by a global bank, as long as they give him enough candy to survive.
 Quoting: GodFrequency


Oh no doubt.
Just after they hand power over to tyrannical monsters to smite their imaginary enemies (kings, corporations, whatever), libtards are first in line to request slavery for themselves.
Welcome to Woodbury.

I think being a Democrat should be a felony.

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It's the middle class that built this country, not the old wealth family douche bags who hoard their wealth in banks, and spend more time putting on golf courses than doing any actual work.

I'm so sick and tired of hearing the trickle down economics bullshit from those wealthy corporate apologists who complain that millionaires have to pay too much...boo fucking hoo you cock suckers! Sorry that you won't be able to afford your gold plated toilet seat this year because you pay a slightly higher tax rate than the rest of us.

Remember who it is that generates that immense wealth for you, it's the middle class. Yea, those guys & gals who actually have to work and break a sweat in your factories and businesses so your ass can go play golf and enjoy a 5-star dinner at your douche bag country club.

If you make over 100k a year, you have absolutely nothing to complain about, so STFU and enjoy your life you ungrateful pieces of parasitical pond scum!
 Quoting: The Truth Hurts 25107591


I second that motion.
 Quoting: Sickandtird 17058124


You should both be barred from any political activity. You are an affront to history, and a danger to the future.
Welcome to Woodbury.

I think being a Democrat should be a felony.

[link to www.policymic.com]
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It's the middle class that built this country, not the old wealth family douche bags who hoard their wealth in banks, and spend more time putting on golf courses than doing any actual work.

I'm so sick and tired of hearing the trickle down economics bullshit from those wealthy corporate apologists who complain that millionaires have to pay too much...boo fucking hoo you cock suckers! Sorry that you won't be able to afford your gold plated toilet seat this year because you pay a slightly higher tax rate than the rest of us.

Remember who it is that generates that immense wealth for you, it's the middle class. Yea, those guys & gals who actually have to work and break a sweat in your factories and businesses so your ass can go play golf and enjoy a 5-star dinner at your douche bag country club.

If you make over 100k a year, you have absolutely nothing to complain about, so STFU and enjoy your life you ungrateful pieces of parasitical pond scum!
 Quoting: The Truth Hurts 25107591


I second that motion.
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You should both be barred from any political activity. You are an affront to history, and a danger to the future.
 Quoting: The Governor


Why don't you go Galt? Please!

Goddamn Texas Ayn Rand repugnican shills. Is there anything worse?
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It's the middle class that built this country, not the old wealth family douche bags who hoard their wealth in banks, and spend more time putting on golf courses than doing any actual work.

I'm so sick and tired of hearing the trickle down economics bullshit from those wealthy corporate apologists who complain that millionaires have to pay too much...boo fucking hoo you cock suckers! Sorry that you won't be able to afford your gold plated toilet seat this year because you pay a slightly higher tax rate than the rest of us.

Remember who it is that generates that immense wealth for you, it's the middle class. Yea, those guys & gals who actually have to work and break a sweat in your factories and businesses so your ass can go play golf and enjoy a 5-star dinner at your douche bag country club.

If you make over 100k a year, you have absolutely nothing to complain about, so STFU and enjoy your life you ungrateful pieces of parasitical pond scum!
 Quoting: The Truth Hurts 25107591


I second that motion.
 Quoting: Sickandtird 17058124


You should both be barred from any political activity. You are an affront to history, and a danger to the future.
 Quoting: The Governor


Why don't you go Galt? Please!

Goddamn Texas Ayn Rand repugnican shills. Is there anything worse?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 25098629


Yes...you.
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OP

You obviously want to put limitations on how much power and wealth, the wealthy can accumulate.

So what limitations as far as size, power, and debt they were able to create would you place on the receivers of all that money you want to just hand over to them without any conditions?

How much money and what value do you place on our servants (government) how many servants can we afford?
How much money can our servants be allowed to take from us?
Is it fair for our servants to hire more and more servants even if we can't afford what we have, and then just bill our children?
How do you set about firing servants who we never elected?
The selected at the United Nations
The selected at the federal reserve
the selected at the world banks and the IMF

Those who are in power that were never elected, but take our money, what limitations would you place on them?

You do realize don't you that the largest, greediest, corporation in the entire world is our United States Government. I mean they do things that would place any rich man in prison for doing the same.

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What's funny is that repugnicans never extoll the wonders of Trickle Down the way they did in the Reagan years. Back then, they were always bragging about how brilliant it was that they could lower taxes and increase revenues. Of course, it never happened and now we're ruined.

Why is they never talk about Trickle Down?

They're still implementing Trickle Down which is why we have massive national debt but they never call it that.

Why?
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Reaganomics Finally Trickles Down To Area Man
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Aint that the truth, lol
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Listen and learn.



[link to www.youtube.com]
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A lesbian giving Americans an economics lesson, I love it!
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Trickle Down economics was never anything but a SCAM to redistribute wealth from the middleclass to the elite, you dumbfucks. It also had the benefit of eventually making social spending impossible. "Sorry, we're too broke."


There has been a massive transfer of wealth upwards and you masochistic MORONS are begging for more punishment!
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What's funny is that repugnicans never extoll the wonders of Trickle Down the way they did in the Reagan years. Back then, they were always bragging about how brilliant it was that they could lower taxes and increase revenues. Of course, it never happened and now we're ruined.

Why is they never talk about Trickle Down?

They're still implementing Trickle Down which is why we have massive national debt but they never call it that.

Why?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 25098629

You are the wife who spends more than what her husband makes, financially bankrupts them, and them blames him for not giving you enough money instead of the spending that you yourself did.

We are bankrupt because the government spent more money than what it had period.

So they ran up the debts, just like a woman running up credit cards, period.

Then that wasn't enough so they promised the labor of our children to pay it back, aka slavery!





People don't have money because we are already taxed to death, and inflation the cruelest tax of all is starting to crush everyone in a jobless economy. Your answer is more taxes, what happens whenever there is no one left to tax?

I say 10% tax across the board, that is for city, state, gas, car, federal, everything can not add up to more than 10% of your income. Then let our servants figure out how to survive after their credit cards have all been cut up.

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Trickle Down economics was never anything but a SCAM to redistribute wealth from the middleclass to the elite, you dumbfucks. It also had the benefit of eventually making social spending impossible. "Sorry, we're too broke."


There has been a massive transfer of wealth upwards and you masochistic MORONS are begging for more punishment!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 25098629


Maybe this is proof that America is becoming gayer?

They seem to enjoy taking it up the ass from the wealthy and their government.
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I find the mentality of todays 20-30 somethings hard to get my head wrapped around.

At 18, I joined the Army, because I had zero skills.

I needed something to further me along, in Life.

Now, the military isn't for everyone, but I thought it was my best bet at getting skills that would help me.

When I got out, I married and we decided that even if we were poor, it was ok.

Our love was and still is that strong.

So, I went to work at a job paying $5.80 an hour and was quite pleased. (this was in '90)

I knew I had to learn, and earn my way to a top wage, which I did.

Now, at 45; we are comfortable.

Not blindingly rich, but saved and lived simply.

We could both retire and be care-free.

Oddly, (explain this to the OWS crowd) we both love what we do, and will keep doing it as long as we can.

Sadly, I don't see this kind of drive in the kids, these days.
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THE WEALTHY SHOULD PAY ALL THE TAXES
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Um no.

If you want fairness and equality everyone should pay 20%, even the poor.

-Sara
 Quoting: Saratonin

Except that isn't fair, and you don't understand simple fucking mathematics you dumb broad.

20% of the income of someone that makes 11,000 a year is about 2,200, now that doesn't sound like very much does it? Except costs of living are simply OUTRAGEOUS. $2,200, or 20% of the income of somebody who lives in poverty, can be the difference of whether they are homeless, starving, and can even keep their minimum wage crap job.

The average family of four probably needs AT LEAST 2,200 every month to live comfortably, and that's if we're assuming that rent is a very small percentage of their bills because they're in a crap apartment! I'd honestly wager that number to be higher with how much food costs lately.

A family living below the poverty line simply can't afford to give up 20% of their income, because even a "measly" 20% becomes a larger and larger chunk the smaller the number that you must figure out the 20% comes from. That is SIMPLE math.

Therefore, 20% of the income of someone that has a multi-million dollar enterprise becomes a great deal of money, but overall because the original number is so large this seemingly large amount of money is actually much less of a chunk of the percentage for the wealthy. The rich can generally afford the cost of living and they should be wise about their investments to continue profits anyway, this is a lot more reasonable of a request.

You, and several others in this thread, obviously need to go back to high school.

The Reagan years did see the disappearance of the tax regulations that were keeping the industry in line and staying put in this country.

The wealthier classes may not have an obligation to pay more taxes, but they sure as fuck have an obligation to employ American people and pay them fairly so that we don't see the disappearance of the middle class.

We're turning into Mexico, a nation of a teeming mass of people in poverty working as the underlings of a wealthier elite paying shit wages.

If you don't want that to happen, start taxing the companies that move business out of the country, and bring jobs back here by playing a tax incentive to move manufacturing and etc. jobs back to the American market. I.e. you only get the tax break if you're actively bringing jobs to America

So yeah, I think the tax breaks for the wealthy can go on! But only if they shape the hell up and stop being assholes to us. When they show that they REALLY care about the American economy by ACTUALLY doing something good for us, then we'll talk about a friggin' tax break.

We have socialism here, it's just for the rich. And if you're going to give me the whole welfare state shpeel you should probably look up how small of a percentage that actually is in terms of government spending. And how much the fed gave to several large corporations that is more than has ever or ever will be given to people on welfare, period.
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How about we go to a National Sales tax, INSTEAD of an income tax. That way we all pay on what we consume. I'm not even rich, and I agree with that.
 Quoting: illuminatinwo


OP isn't interested in economic facts or matters of philosophical morality.

He's an envious, poor, talentless drone, and he wants everyone else to be brought down to his level using the force of hired goons.
 Quoting: The Governor


ohyeah
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Trickle Down economics was never anything but a SCAM to redistribute wealth from the middleclass to the elite, you dumbfucks. It also had the benefit of eventually making social spending impossible. "Sorry, we're too broke."


There has been a massive transfer of wealth upwards and you masochistic MORONS are begging for more punishment!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 25098629


Maybe this is proof that America is becoming gayer?

They seem to enjoy taking it up the ass from the wealthy and their government.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 25130994


They seem to enjoy taking it up the ass from the wealthy and their government.

ding ding ding ding

Yes! he almost gets it.

Government is the largest corporation on earth, and your begging for them to be paid more, grow more, and be even larger!
Government is bought, they are enablers of the our jobs being destroyed with things like NAFTA and China free trade agreements. They sold us out, so that we can all become part of their global banking slaves. Just wait for it, the solution will be a global bank. Hey wait, I think we already have one.


You are literally paying for the prison being built around you.

30,000 drones
TSA
hollow point bullets
NDAA
czars

We are creating a police state, the only thing missing is the dictator, but even that is in question at times, because the fools that give endless bailouts to banks and the Federal Reserve, (Obama-Bush) are just puppets

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THE WEALTHY SHOULD PAY ALL THE TAXES
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 25119950


Um no.

If you want fairness and equality everyone should pay 20%, even the poor.

-Sara
 Quoting: Saratonin

Except that isn't fair, and you don't understand simple fucking mathematics you dumb broad.

20% of the income of someone that makes 11,000 a year is about 2,200, now that doesn't sound like very much does it? Except costs of living are simply OUTRAGEOUS. $2,200, or 20% of the income of somebody who lives in poverty, can be the difference of whether they are homeless, starving, and can even keep their minimum wage crap job.

The average family of four probably needs AT LEAST 2,200 every month to live comfortably, and that's if we're assuming that rent is a very small percentage of their bills because they're in a crap apartment! I'd honestly wager that number to be higher with how much food costs lately.

A family living below the poverty line simply can't afford to give up 20% of their income, because even a "measly" 20% becomes a larger and larger chunk the smaller the number that you must figure out the 20% comes from. That is SIMPLE math.

Therefore, 20% of the income of someone that has a multi-million dollar enterprise becomes a great deal of money, but overall because the original number is so large this seemingly large amount of money is actually much less of a chunk of the percentage for the wealthy. The rich can generally afford the cost of living and they should be wise about their investments to continue profits anyway, this is a lot more reasonable of a request.

You, and several others in this thread, obviously need to go back to high school.

The Reagan years did see the disappearance of the tax regulations that were keeping the industry in line and staying put in this country.

The wealthier classes may not have an obligation to pay more taxes, but they sure as fuck have an obligation to employ American people and pay them fairly so that we don't see the disappearance of the middle class.

We're turning into Mexico, a nation of a teeming mass of people in poverty working as the underlings of a wealthier elite paying shit wages.

If you don't want that to happen, start taxing the companies that move business out of the country, and bring jobs back here by playing a tax incentive to move manufacturing and etc. jobs back to the American market. I.e. you only get the tax break if you're actively bringing jobs to America

So yeah, I think the tax breaks for the wealthy can go on! But only if they shape the hell up and stop being assholes to us. When they show that they REALLY care about the American economy by ACTUALLY doing something good for us, then we'll talk about a friggin' tax break.

We have socialism here, it's just for the rich. And if you're going to give me the whole welfare state shpeel you should probably look up how small of a percentage that actually is in terms of government spending. And how much the fed gave to several large corporations that is more than has ever or ever will be given to people on welfare, period.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 21795357


look 10% 20% 30% 80%, it doesn't matter, it won't be enough.

Hell, they're taking 10% right now if you pay nothing, just through inflation!

It will never be enough. The entire system is broke, and bankrupt, it needs to reset, it needs to be stripped down, and built on freedom!

Freedom of the individual!

What power the individual has!

We have no freedoms granted to us under the constitution left, and you are all sitting here and argueing about how much money to pay to those who stole all your fucking freedoms!
Are you fucking kidding me! At this point how about nothing?

I mean that's what General Electric paid, nothing!
They didn't pay a fucking dime!

So sure, go tax some guy who has a shoe manufacturing business here in the United states, and put him out of business too.

GeeZ

The Big Banks on Wall Street aren't paying taxes most of the time!

Nothing!

There are senators, and people in government who owe billions in unpaid taxes!

The fucking people receiving our taxes, aren't paying the very taxes they are living off of!

You people are so fucking pathetic.

We are paying for fascism! All that money you want more people to pay in, are going to corporations in the form of bailouts! And it's not enough?

What planet have you people been on?

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The rewards of a mans work should be his to do with as he pleases. If he wants more wealth he has to create more jobs. If he wants to give to charity, that should be his decision, only when men are free to live life and to create, will he prosper.If a man don't work then he should not benefit from the work of others. Are we our brothers keepers no, should we help our brothers when they are down yes, but only to get them back on their feet, so they are not beholding to any other man for life. That is called freedom! That is what made America!
Wealth is created over generations and it is only, if, you are a good steward of your money and learn to do without, to save, will you ever experience wealth. It took me a long time to realize this, so I look to my kids to be better off then me. What this country is doing to our kids is sinful and we will pay for it in the long run.
Men should work for all they have and then they are free.

1 Timothy 5

8 But if any provide not for his own, and specially for those of his own house, he hath denied the faith, and is worse than an infidel.
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Re: BREAKING: Trickle down economics is BULLSHIT! - The wealthy should pay more taxes!
THE WEALTHY SHOULD PAY ALL THE TAXES
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Um no.

If you want fairness and equality everyone should pay 20%, even the poor.

-Sara
 Quoting: Saratonin

Except that isn't fair, and you don't understand simple fucking mathematics you dumb broad.

20% of the income of someone that makes 11,000 a year is about 2,200, now that doesn't sound like very much does it? Except costs of living are simply OUTRAGEOUS. $2,200, or 20% of the income of somebody who lives in poverty, can be the difference of whether they are homeless, starving, and can even keep their minimum wage crap job.

The average family of four probably needs AT LEAST 2,200 every month to live comfortably, and that's if we're assuming that rent is a very small percentage of their bills because they're in a crap apartment! I'd honestly wager that number to be higher with how much food costs lately.

A family living below the poverty line simply can't afford to give up 20% of their income, because even a "measly" 20% becomes a larger and larger chunk the smaller the number that you must figure out the 20% comes from. That is SIMPLE math.

Therefore, 20% of the income of someone that has a multi-million dollar enterprise becomes a great deal of money, but overall because the original number is so large this seemingly large amount of money is actually much less of a chunk of the percentage for the wealthy. The rich can generally afford the cost of living and they should be wise about their investments to continue profits anyway, this is a lot more reasonable of a request.

You, and several others in this thread, obviously need to go back to high school.

The Reagan years did see the disappearance of the tax regulations that were keeping the industry in line and staying put in this country.

The wealthier classes may not have an obligation to pay more taxes, but they sure as fuck have an obligation to employ American people and pay them fairly so that we don't see the disappearance of the middle class.

We're turning into Mexico, a nation of a teeming mass of people in poverty working as the underlings of a wealthier elite paying shit wages.

If you don't want that to happen, start taxing the companies that move business out of the country, and bring jobs back here by playing a tax incentive to move manufacturing and etc. jobs back to the American market. I.e. you only get the tax break if you're actively bringing jobs to America

So yeah, I think the tax breaks for the wealthy can go on! But only if they shape the hell up and stop being assholes to us. When they show that they REALLY care about the American economy by ACTUALLY doing something good for us, then we'll talk about a friggin' tax break.

We have socialism here, it's just for the rich. And if you're going to give me the whole welfare state shpeel you should probably look up how small of a percentage that actually is in terms of government spending. And how much the fed gave to several large corporations that is more than has ever or ever will be given to people on welfare, period.
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look 10% 20% 30% 80%, it doesn't matter, it won't be enough.

Hell, they're taking 10% right now if you pay nothing, just through inflation!

It will never be enough. The entire system is broke, and bankrupt, it needs to reset, it needs to be stripped down, and built on freedom!

Freedom of the individual!

What power the individual has!

We have no freedoms granted to us under the constitution left, and you are all sitting here and argueing about how much money to pay to those who stole all your fucking freedoms!
Are you fucking kidding me! At this point how about nothing?

I mean that's what General Electric paid, nothing!
They didn't pay a fucking dime!

So sure, go tax some guy who has a shoe manufacturing business here in the United states, and put him out of business too.

GeeZ

The Big Banks on Wall Street aren't paying taxes most of the time!

Nothing!

There are senators, and people in government who owe billions in unpaid taxes!

The fucking people receiving our taxes, aren't paying the very taxes they are living off of!

You people are so fucking pathetic.

We are paying for fascism! All that money you want more people to pay in, are going to corporations in the form of bailouts! And it's not enough?

What planet have you people been on?
 Quoting: GodFrequency

Okay then.

I suppose all the public buildings, roads, infrastructure, schools, etc. all just came from nothing, then?

Look, I'm not saying that taxes aren't poorly managed because they are, and I'm not saying that taxes themselves were even originally a necessity in this nation, because they weren't.

But the fact is we're here now in this industrialized nation, we, the people, are taxed for SOMETHING, and it turns out that something is more often than not something we wouldn't want to invest in ourselves, but we do anyway because of the aforementioned necessity of the infrastructure and in general dependence on society to survive.

I dunno, short of total and shitty collapse that has to be rebuilt from smaller communities that survive, the more viable and immediate solution seems to be to use those taxes fairly, and to actually use them in a way that distributes the value amongst the community of people.

So I dunno man, give up your industrialized society and be "free" or try to work with the cards you've been dealt.

Either solution requires a great deal of going back to square 1 and won't come without a lot of hardship and the people that it matters to fighting for it.
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Re: BREAKING: Trickle down economics is BULLSHIT! - The wealthy should pay more taxes!
You need to learn what wealthy really is. You attack people making over $100k but even the government says that the middle class is people earning $40-120k. Hopefully you can stop believing the lies of both parties and not just one or the other.
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Re: BREAKING: Trickle down economics is BULLSHIT! - The wealthy should pay more taxes!
Please watch this short youtube with Tony Robbins....it will clarify the FACT that the solution isn't taxing the rich more...were going to have to find another answer.

[link to www.youtube.com]
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Re: BREAKING: Trickle down economics is BULLSHIT! - The wealthy should pay more taxes!
middle class built this country just like the slaves built the pyramids
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Re: BREAKING: Trickle down economics is BULLSHIT! - The wealthy should pay more taxes!
It's the middle class that built this country, not the old wealth family douche bags who hoard their wealth in banks, and spend more time putting on golf courses than doing any actual work.

I'm so sick and tired of hearing the trickle down economics bullshit from those wealthy corporate apologists who complain that millionaires have to pay too much...boo fucking hoo you cock suckers! Sorry that you won't be able to afford your gold plated toilet seat this year because you pay a slightly higher tax rate than the rest of us.

Remember who it is that generates that immense wealth for you, it's the middle class. Yea, those guys & gals who actually have to work and break a sweat in your factories and businesses so your ass can go play golf and enjoy a 5-star dinner at your douche bag country club.

If you make over 100k a year, you have absolutely nothing to complain about, so STFU and enjoy your life you ungrateful pieces of parasitical pond scum!
 Quoting: The Truth Hurts 25107591


How about we go to a National Sales tax, INSTEAD of an income tax. That way we all pay on what we consume. I'm not even rich, and I agree with that.
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I second that.
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Re: BREAKING: Trickle down economics is BULLSHIT! - The wealthy should pay more taxes!
You're wasting your breath in this forum, for so many still prefer the "stability" of working for their white male plantation masters.

As Harriet Tubman stated: "I freed a thousand slaves. I could have freed a thousand more if only they knew they were slaves."

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