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Dont forget Vitamins,,, sooooo important. Immodium AD, Pepto, Tums, Ambusol, Pain Killers, Gauze, ace bandage, Machete, Canteens, Oil Lamps, Wicks, Duct tape, Wet stone, Axe, Hatchet, Saw, Hand tools, Dry active yeast, toothpaste, hand sanitizer, wet wipes, Toilet paper!
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this is what i mean by producing yourself from local
sources.
as far as vitamins are concerned anyone with good knowlede of herbs and local wild forage would do a great business

will you realy care if you have a bottle of FDA approved vit C pills or a good supply of rose hip tea?

same goes for the pain killers willow bark is the common one

any yobo with a fire and a bit of knowledge can make a better machete than you will buy in any walmart.

etc etc etc with most of your other examples
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If you cannot locate rose hips, pine needle tea provides vitamin C too. Just be certain, whether rose hips or pine needle, to steep in warm not boiling water. Very hot water will destroy much of the vitamin C.
Life is karma and karma always reflects both past and present circumstance. Our time here is short, so choose carefully and behave well, for all of your tomorrows are presently being decided.

"Don't die on a small cross..." Saddletramp's Mom

"A fool thinks himself to be wise, but a wise man knows himself to be a fool."
-- William Shakespeare, born April 23, 1564.

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Something I've been growing out in the back 40 is bamboo.

This type grows to 6 inches around (+-) and is used as building material in Asia.

Eat the shoots and use for firewood etc..
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If you have a boggy area, do not ignore cattails. The roots can be cooked like a carrot & the fibers from the top can be mixed in with flour/cornmeal/etc as an extender. Just watch out for snakes!
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you mean pollen from the top Jane?
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Something I've been growing out in the back 40 is bamboo.

This type grows to 6 inches around (+-) and is used as building material in Asia.

Eat the shoots and use for firewood etc..
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If you have a boggy area, do not ignore cattails. The roots can be cooked like a carrot & the fibers from the top can be mixed in with flour/cornmeal/etc as an extender. Just watch out for snakes!
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you mean pollen from the top Jane?
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Yes, the brown top; I guess that is pollen, it is the flower part of the cattail. When you pull it apart, it has all the little white fibers inside -- we used to spread them to the wind as children -- they are edible.
Life is karma and karma always reflects both past and present circumstance. Our time here is short, so choose carefully and behave well, for all of your tomorrows are presently being decided.

"Don't die on a small cross..." Saddletramp's Mom

"A fool thinks himself to be wise, but a wise man knows himself to be a fool."
-- William Shakespeare, born April 23, 1564.

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Dont forget Vitamins,,, sooooo important. Immodium AD, Pepto, Tums, Ambusol, Pain Killers, Gauze, ace bandage, Machete, Canteens, Oil Lamps, Wicks, Duct tape, Wet stone, Axe, Hatchet, Saw, Hand tools, Dry active yeast, toothpaste, hand sanitizer, wet wipes, Toilet paper!
 Quoting: smokahontas


this is what i mean by producing yourself from local
sources.
as far as vitamins are concerned anyone with good knowlede of herbs and local wild forage would do a great business

will you realy care if you have a bottle of FDA approved vit C pills or a good supply of rose hip tea?

same goes for the pain killers willow bark is the common one

any yobo with a fire and a bit of knowledge can make a better machete than you will buy in any walmart.

etc etc etc with most of your other examples
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 25121511


If you cannot locate rose hips, pine needle tea provides vitamin C too. Just be certain, whether rose hips or pine needle, to steep in warm not boiling water. Very hot water will destroy much of the vitamin C.
 Quoting: Lady Jane Smith


i have always heard that too much heat destroyed vit c but never realy believed it and do not know for sure but i have always boile my pine needle tea and normally also boil my rose hips although i like em raw as well
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Something I've been growing out in the back 40 is bamboo.

This type grows to 6 inches around (+-) and is used as building material in Asia.

Eat the shoots and use for firewood etc..
 Quoting: brent pops


If you have a boggy area, do not ignore cattails. The roots can be cooked like a carrot & the fibers from the top can be mixed in with flour/cornmeal/etc as an extender. Just watch out for snakes!
 Quoting: Lady Jane Smith


you mean pollen from the top Jane?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 25121511


Yes, the brown top; I guess that is pollen, it is the flower part of the cattail. When you pull it apart, it has all the little white fibers inside -- we used to spread them to the wind as children -- they are edible.
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you need to harvest it before it goes brown try shaking it into your hand it shoul yield lots of yellow pollen

by the time it turns fully brown its only good as a firestarter or insulator.
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Dont forget Vitamins,,, sooooo important. Immodium AD, Pepto, Tums, Ambusol, Pain Killers, Gauze, ace bandage, Machete, Canteens, Oil Lamps, Wicks, Duct tape, Wet stone, Axe, Hatchet, Saw, Hand tools, Dry active yeast, toothpaste, hand sanitizer, wet wipes, Toilet paper!
 Quoting: smokahontas


this is what i mean by producing yourself from local
sources.
as far as vitamins are concerned anyone with good knowlede of herbs and local wild forage would do a great business

will you realy care if you have a bottle of FDA approved vit C pills or a good supply of rose hip tea?

same goes for the pain killers willow bark is the common one

any yobo with a fire and a bit of knowledge can make a better machete than you will buy in any walmart.

etc etc etc with most of your other examples
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 25121511


If you cannot locate rose hips, pine needle tea provides vitamin C too. Just be certain, whether rose hips or pine needle, to steep in warm not boiling water. Very hot water will destroy much of the vitamin C.
 Quoting: Lady Jane Smith


i have always heard that too much heat destroyed vit c but never realy believed it and do not know for sure but i have always boile my pine needle tea and normally also boil my rose hips although i like em raw as well
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 25121511


Look on canned goods of something usually high in Vit C, like mandarin oranges. You will see negligible amounts of C in the canned oranges, that is because the heat from canning destroys it.
Life is karma and karma always reflects both past and present circumstance. Our time here is short, so choose carefully and behave well, for all of your tomorrows are presently being decided.

"Don't die on a small cross..." Saddletramp's Mom

"A fool thinks himself to be wise, but a wise man knows himself to be a fool."
-- William Shakespeare, born April 23, 1564.

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If you have a boggy area, do not ignore cattails. The roots can be cooked like a carrot & the fibers from the top can be mixed in with flour/cornmeal/etc as an extender. Just watch out for snakes!
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you mean pollen from the top Jane?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 25121511


Yes, the brown top; I guess that is pollen, it is the flower part of the cattail. When you pull it apart, it has all the little white fibers inside -- we used to spread them to the wind as children -- they are edible.
 Quoting: Lady Jane Smith


you need to harvest it before it goes brown try shaking it into your hand it shoul yield lots of yellow pollen

by the time it turns fully brown its only good as a firestarter or insulator.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 25121511


That is a good point. I did not think about that.
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Life is karma and karma always reflects both past and present circumstance. Our time here is short, so choose carefully and behave well, for all of your tomorrows are presently being decided.

"Don't die on a small cross..." Saddletramp's Mom

"A fool thinks himself to be wise, but a wise man knows himself to be a fool."
-- William Shakespeare, born April 23, 1564.

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I've been bartering all my life. It's a great way to skip the middlemen and paying a toll to the banking trolls.

I bought a farm 16 years ago by cashing in my silver and gold holdings. Now, I trade meat/cattle, vegetables, hay, and spice herbs to restaurant owners, preppers, business owners, and other people in the industry for gold and silver.

I never need my ID or social security number, lawyers, bankers, insurance underwriters, brokers, investment advisors, etc...

I pay my help in 1 ounce silver bars and that's how I buy my diesel, repair equipment, baked goods and other food items, etc... When I have to pay tax eadh year, I cash in some of the gold and drop off federal reserve notes to the county treasurer.

You don't need to use gold or silver to barter. Most of the people who work on my farm get to live here and eat for free and they extras, they get paid in silver. When they want cash, I send them to a coin shop 2 miles away. That coin shop owner buys beef from my farm each year so he pays some of that in cash to my helpers and the rest to me in silver or real money...gold.
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I've been bartering all my life. It's a great way to skip the middlemen and paying a toll to the banking trolls.

I bought a farm 16 years ago by cashing in my silver and gold holdings. Now, I trade meat/cattle, vegetables, hay, and spice herbs to restaurant owners, preppers, business owners, and other people in the industry for gold and silver.

I never need my ID or social security number, lawyers, bankers, insurance underwriters, brokers, investment advisors, etc...

I pay my help in 1 ounce silver bars and that's how I buy my diesel, repair equipment, baked goods and other food items, etc... When I have to pay tax eadh year, I cash in some of the gold and drop off federal reserve notes to the county treasurer.

You don't need to use gold or silver to barter. Most of the people who work on my farm get to live here and eat for free and they extras, they get paid in silver. When they want cash, I send them to a coin shop 2 miles away. That coin shop owner buys beef from my farm each year so he pays some of that in cash to my helpers and the rest to me in silver or real money...gold.

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Just a general decline nothing fast.

Most don't even see it coming that's the point.

Just make money now and transfer some of your savings cash into tangible goods with inherent value. As in tools, medicine, food, water, precious metals, ammo, seeds etc.
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when they switch over to a digital currency, I would think we'll have to barter for whatever the neighbor is selling. got silver?
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even better would be a 'gift economy' where people just give away the things they make or obtain or dont need.

if everyone just gave stuff away, then no one would NEED to buy anything.

the system would require on people being mature, and not greedy or selfish. but it's possible.

it can apply to whole countries; whole planets even...
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see how it works is - i have an orange orchard. i get way more oranges than i need or can use.

so the surplus oranges i can just give away by advertising them to any who want some.

If everyone acts this way, then one day when i need to buy some lettuces, i just look for an add by someone who has too many lettuces and wants to give some away, and i go and pick up what i need...


or someone mite be an artist - and might want to give away their surplus paintings...

someone might be a hairdresser and mite want to do peoples' hair....


someone mite be a mechanic and want to fix peoples' cars...


etc... if everyone gives away their goods/services to others that they dont need...then when you want or need something you jsut look for someone advertising stuff to give away and go and pick it up.

so long as everyone does the same, the system should work...

so long as people aren't greedy and consider the needs of others.... so e.g. if you dont NEED 20 lettuces, you only need 5, then only TAKE 5 and leave the other 15 for those who need them to pick up....

its that simple.

people have limited needs. no one can possibly NEED all that the earth can produce...she produces far too much....so with our limited needs, the system can work.

even with luxury items. i mean how many mercedes can any single person REALLY want or need? there comes a limit where the person will think enough, i really dont need that last mercedes, i'm sick of them, i want something else...

if everything's free, you're only gonna take what you want or what you need, and really, some people mightn't even want a mercedes, they'll probably want some other kind of car or motorbike, cuz everyone is different.

one man's trash is another man's treasure.

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ah this is a post apocalypse thread...


well, my gift economy is really what people should aim for once we're all up and running again and communities start to rebuild and produce surplus etc...
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From page 44:
Thread: Get rid of the money system, then get rid of goverrments (Page 44)


Muti-Lateral Barter replaces central banking (Thomas Greco)

Coming soon: a world without money and banks.

[link to beyondmoney.net]

Who in their right mind would be so bold as to predict the end of money and banking as we’ve known it (besides yours truly, that is)?

Well, how about the Governor of the Bank of England?

“There is no reason products and services could not be swapped directly by consumers and producers through a system of direct exchange – essentially a massive barter economy. All it requires is some commonly used unit of account and adequate computing power to make sure all transactions could be settled immediately. People would pay each other electronically, without the payment being routed through anything that we would currently recognize as a bank. Central banks in their present form would no longer exist – nor would money.”

– Mervyn King – Governor of the Bank of England

You see, even the insiders can see the writing on the wall.

Another observer who has been in the thick of cashless trading developments for decades is Bob Meyer, publisher and editor of Barter News. A while back, Bob wrote an article that gives some pertinent history of the “barter” industry and sketches his vision of how “Simple One-to-One Exchanges Will Give Way to Organized, Computerized, Multi-Lateral Barter.” I strongly recommend that people read it

[link to www.barternews.com]
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Charles Eisenstein is writing things like this (gift economy) and this is a central thesis of his book SACRED ECONOMICS.

There are several mentions and critiques of this book in the thread: Thread: Get rid of the money system, then get rid of goverrments probably on pages after September of this year (2012)

However, these writings and your perceptions are incorrect and are based on a faulty view of human psychology.

Historically, the gift economies always failed when a better system of exchange arrived on the scene.

Investigate "cargo cult" as it is related and also a faulty system of exchange.

A money system of lower extractive cost than the fed reserve (same for Australia) while of equal or better reliability will replace this present system.



even better would be a 'gift economy' where people just give away the things they make or obtain or dont need.

if everyone just gave stuff away, then no one would NEED to buy anything.

the system would require on people being mature, and not greedy or selfish. but it's possible.

it can apply to whole countries; whole planets even...
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Well, how about the Governor of the Bank of England?

“There is no reason products and services could not be swapped directly by consumers and producers through a system of direct exchange – essentially a massive barter economy. All it requires is some commonly used unit of account and adequate computing power to make sure all transactions could be settled immediately. People would pay each other electronically, without the payment being routed through anything that we would currently recognize as a bank. Central banks in their present form would no longer exist – nor would money.”

– Mervyn King – Governor of the Bank of England


Read closely; "All it requires is some commonly used unit of account..."

That commonly used unit of account is generally referred to as "money."

The trick is to make money reliable and of low extractive cost.

The rest of that writing "People would pay each other <SNIP> ... without the payment being routed through anything that we would currently recognize as a bank."

I snipped a single word "electronically" just to keep your options open. What Mervyn King is writing about is decentralized settlement of accounts. The real clue here is what Greco has been writing about: IE DECENTRALIZED MUTUAL CREDIT IS A MORE EFFICIENT AND ROBUST SYSTEM OF EXCHANGE THAN THE PRESENT SYSTEM OF HIERARCHIC CLEARING
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Search for "cargo system" rather than cargo cult.

Here is a valid hit:
[link to www.jstor.org]

There is also a power point presentation if I can discover the link.
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Here is a search string that will kick out some useful answers:

[link to duckduckgo.com (secure)]

The core concept you need to wrap your mind around is about the limitations of human memory. Anthropologists know that the size of human tribes seldom exceeded 250 members. At that point or sooner the tribe would spontaneously bifurcate. They believe it has to do with the limitations of ability to retain memory of faces and relationships.

This is related to gifting societies... people never truly "gift" anything. They are always expecting some reciprocity in one form or another.

Now do your search for Narayana Kocherlakota who wrote a piece where he shows that "Money is social memory" and the point is that a trustworthy form of money was a better form of social memory than the human mind could supply.

Important concept.
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Copper is good for bartering as well since it is still really affordable.

[link to www.wholesalecoinandmore.com]
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Magnifying glass, dutch oven, Alcohol, ciggerettes, Peanut butter, SALT. Salt will be like gold in a world without refridgeration. Also books with knowledge in them,,, wild edile plants, how to dress wild game, army first aide, the 1888 Household cyclopedia (Amazon) gives great info in a world without modern day luxuries like Electricity. You cant know everything, so have access to books that can help.
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Learn how to catch nightcrawlers after a good rain. Eat 'em with hot sauce.
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Dont forget Vitamins,,, sooooo important. Immodium AD, Pepto, Tums, Ambusol, Pain Killers, Gauze, ace bandage, Machete, Canteens, Oil Lamps, Wicks, Duct tape, Wet stone, Axe, Hatchet, Saw, Hand tools, Dry active yeast, toothpaste, hand sanitizer, wet wipes, Toilet paper!
 Quoting: smokahontas


this is what i mean by producing yourself from local
sources.
as far as vitamins are concerned anyone with good knowlede of herbs and local wild forage would do a great business

will you realy care if you have a bottle of FDA approved vit C pills or a good supply of rose hip tea?

same goes for the pain killers willow bark is the common one

any yobo with a fire and a bit of knowledge can make a better machete than you will buy in any walmart.

etc etc etc with most of your other examples
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 25121511


If you cannot locate rose hips, pine needle tea provides vitamin C too. Just be certain, whether rose hips or pine needle, to steep in warm not boiling water. Very hot water will destroy much of the vitamin C.
 Quoting: Lady Jane Smith


Will any kind of pine needle do?

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