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Who are the dead that rose from their tombs at the moment of Jesus' death? Was there a splitting of reality?

 
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I was always taught that the dead who rose at that time were those who had passed before who were unable to accept Christ as Savior due to the fact that he had not died or resurrected until that time.

Those who passed before the crucifixion and resurrection were held captive until Christ set them free. Some say that those who followed the God of Abraham and were holy went to paradise, not actually heaven, and those who were evil went to hades.

I was also taught that this was the first account of "zombies".

Just my 2 cents...cool2
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No zombies in this passage. They were glorified bodies of those who had died before the Cross, those who believed and trusted in Him. They were the "first fruits" along with Christ...the first resurrection.
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I dont see how you can identify who they are if the even doesnt even make sense...
blah blah blah hate bible blah blah
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I don't see how you can so badly fail to grasp the concept of a TOPIC.
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I COULD COMMENT MORE BUT IT WOULD BE A WASTE OF MY TIME, YOU ONES ARE SO IGNORANT STILL.
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I'm listening...
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[link to www.earlychristianwritings.com] JUST TO mention Mary M was the leader of the 12 women apostles. WOMEN apostles, YES and nicely left out our bible.
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lolshark
1 But these took this counsel among themselves, that they would leave the multitude of the heathen, and go forth into a further country, where never mankind dwelt,
42 That they might there keep their statutes, which they never kept in their own land.
43 And they entered into Euphrates by the narrow places of the river.
44 For the most High then shewed signs for them, and held still the flood, till they were passed over.
45 For through that country there was a great way to go, namely, of a year and a half: and the same region is called Arsareth.
46 Then dwelt they there until the latter time; and now when they shall begin to come,
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I COULD COMMENT MORE BUT IT WOULD BE A WASTE OF MY TIME, YOU ONES ARE SO IGNORANT STILL.
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Seriously... why would you invite this knucklehead to post more nonsense?
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[link to www.earlychristianwritings.com] JUST TO mention Mary M was the leader of the 12 women apostles. WOMEN apostles, YES and nicely left out our bible.
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lolshark
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Juat want to say thank you, I appreciate your posts in this thread. hf

I think this is an interesting topic, and worth some real discussion, and I have some thoughts to add... however, this thread has been hijacked by scoffers and fools and it will be difficult to have a reasonable discussion.
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I dont see how you can identify who they are if the even doesnt even make sense...
blah blah blah hate bible blah blah
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I don't see how you can so badly fail to grasp the concept of a TOPIC.
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I understand this lame topic just fine lol. As I said an event like this and you would think that James, Peter, Paul the other 3 gospels would mention this MAGNIFICENT event. But naw they dont even mention the event thus IT DIDNT HAPPEN. Not to mention:

Daniel 12:2
Multitudes who sleep in the dust of the earth will awake: some to everlasting life, others to shame and everlasting contempt.

This hasnt happened yet nor does it say that it will happen more than once.
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I understand this lame topic just fine lol. As I said an event like this and you would think that James, Peter, Paul the other 3 gospels would mention this MAGNIFICENT event. But naw they dont even mention the event thus IT DIDNT HAPPEN. Not to mention:

Daniel 12:2
Multitudes who sleep in the dust of the earth will awake: some to everlasting life, others to shame and everlasting contempt.

This hasnt happened yet nor does it say that it will happen more than once.
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No, you don't understand the topic. It is NOT "why should we believe this story". See? The topic is who they are, and the OP went on to add wondering what happened to them. Does that sound like "why should we believe this story"? I return your "lol" to you.

And when you cherry pick verses out of context and roll all prophecy statements together, then claim "it hasn't happened", don't expect/demand people keep trying to talk to you.
Have I now become your enemy by telling you the truth? (Gal. 4:16)
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I understand this lame topic just fine lol. As I said an event like this and you would think that James, Peter, Paul the other 3 gospels would mention this MAGNIFICENT event. But naw they dont even mention the event thus IT DIDNT HAPPEN. Not to mention:

Daniel 12:2
Multitudes who sleep in the dust of the earth will awake: some to everlasting life, others to shame and everlasting contempt.

This hasnt happened yet nor does it say that it will happen more than once.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 12505165


No, you don't understand the topic. It is NOT "why should we believe this story". See? The topic is who they are, and the OP went on to add wondering what happened to them. Does that sound like "why should we believe this story"? I return your "lol" to you.

And when you cherry pick verses out of context and roll all prophecy statements together, then claim "it hasn't happened", don't expect/demand people keep trying to talk to you.
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Again HOW can you identify who they are if it didnt happen lol? Even if one believed it happened it would be at best guesses at the identities because this event that would have (then and now) been a ASTONISHING event to see was only mentioned once in the entire NT. A great event as this and its only mentioned once? You would think Peter would say something about it but naw he didnt. James? Nope. Paul? Nada. Therefore one could come to the conclusion that it didnt happen.

And where oh where did I take a verse out of context then ROLL prophecy statements together? I'll wait on this one though Im sure you wont respond. :(
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Again HOW can you identify who they are if it didnt happen lol? Even if one believed it happened it would be at best guesses at the identities because this event that would have (then and now) been a ASTONISHING event to see was only mentioned once in the entire NT. A great event as this and its only mentioned once? You would think Peter would say something about it but naw he didnt. James? Nope. Paul? Nada. Therefore one could come to the conclusion that it didnt happen.

And where oh where did I take a verse out of context then ROLL prophecy statements together? I'll wait on this one though Im sure you wont respond. :(
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putin
WHETHER the incident happened is irrelevant to WHO the people are in the account. It's an INTERNAL question, for Christians, concerning a text they hold to be true. And you have NO CLUE about the pieces of prophecy you're trying to throw together--- which, according to your requirement that the story be true, means that first YOU HAVE TO PROVE THEY'RE TRUE! Your own words: "Again HOW can you identify who they are if it didnt happen lol?" How can you ask about anything from the Bible since you don't think it's true? Live by your own rules!

And keeping up with the "lol" isn't giving me an ounce of incentive to keep humoring you.
Have I now become your enemy by telling you the truth? (Gal. 4:16)
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Again HOW can you identify who they are if it didnt happen lol? Even if one believed it happened it would be at best guesses at the identities because this event that would have (then and now) been a ASTONISHING event to see was only mentioned once in the entire NT. A great event as this and its only mentioned once? You would think Peter would say something about it but naw he didnt. James? Nope. Paul? Nada. Therefore one could come to the conclusion that it didnt happen.

And where oh where did I take a verse out of context then ROLL prophecy statements together? I'll wait on this one though Im sure you wont respond. :(
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putin
WHETHER the incident happened is irrelevant to WHO the people are in the account. It's an INTERNAL question, for Christians, concerning a text they hold to be true. And you have NO CLUE about the pieces of prophecy you're trying to throw together--- which, according to your requirement that the story be true, means that first YOU HAVE TO PROVE THEY'RE TRUE! Your own words: "Again HOW can you identify who they are if it didnt happen lol?" How can you ask about anything from the Bible since you don't think it's true? Live by your own rules!

And keeping up with the "lol" isn't giving me an ounce of incentive to keep humoring you.
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How can you identify... oh I've said that already. I asked how can you even identify the people if theres no mention of it anywhere besides that one place you didnt answer because as I said it would be at best a GUESS. Now are you telling me what I do and do not believe in and what I think is true? I believe in the Almighty and the prophets and servants He sent. Doesnt mean I believe in the NT since it does things like this thread topic. What I mean is make things up or twist things to make the reader believe what the writer wants them to. Nowhere in the prophets does it say that people would rise from the dead twice yet somehow they rose with Jesus crucifixition (but that wasnt judgement day so what were they rising for?).

You can stop whenever you feel free just as I can. Im not putting lol for you to keep "humoring me". Im sincerely smiling at the logic presented in this thread. But where did I take anything out of context or roll prophecies together? Or are you not gonna answer that EITHER? :(

BTW the topic wasnt for christians according to the thread title and opening post.
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terence mckennas time bifucation theory puts the split at jesus's death. then leaving one timestream that diddnt kill christ, and one that did.
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How can you identify... oh I've said that already. I asked how can you even identify the people if theres no mention of it anywhere besides that one place you didnt answer because as I said it would be at best a GUESS. Now are you telling me what I do and do not believe in and what I think is true? I believe in the Almighty and the prophets and servants He sent. Doesnt mean I believe in the NT since it does things like this thread topic. What I mean is make things up or twist things to make the reader believe what the writer wants them to. Nowhere in the prophets does it say that people would rise from the dead twice yet somehow they rose with Jesus crucifixition (but that wasnt judgement day so what were they rising for?).

You can stop whenever you feel free just as I can. Im not putting lol for you to keep "humoring me". Im sincerely smiling at the logic presented in this thread. But where did I take anything out of context or roll prophecies together? Or are you not gonna answer that EITHER? :(

BTW the topic wasnt for christians according to the thread title and opening post.
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Look, I don't know how else to put what I've said so many times. I've already said who I thought they were and what might have become of them. I don't know why that is considered not answering, and I don't care anymore.

I also don't know where you're getting this idea that I'm telling you what you believe, but since you admit you don't believe in the NT, then again you're going off topic to question the account rather than stay on the OP's topic. This is what I've been saying all along. There is no point at all discussing the NT with somebody who doesn't even believe in it.

Laugh if you must, but I find your own "logic" full of fallacies, though I haven't mocked you as you have me (lol is mocking, don't care if you agree). Your demanding attitude isn't the way to get anyone to stick around. Next time try being the kind of person you want others to be, and you'll get a much different response.
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Look, I don't know how else to put what I've said so many times. I've already said who I thought they were and what might have become of them. I don't know why that is considered not answering, and I don't care anymore.

I also don't know where you're getting this idea that I'm telling you what you believe, but since you admit you don't believe in the NT, then again you're going off topic to question the account rather than stay on the OP's topic. This is what I've been saying all along. There is no point at all discussing the NT with somebody who doesn't even believe in it.

Laugh if you must, but I find your own "logic" full of fallacies, though I haven't mocked you as you have me (lol is mocking, don't care if you agree). Your demanding attitude isn't the way to get anyone to stick around. Next time try being the kind of person you want others to be, and you'll get a much different response.
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You mocked first when you turned comment into "blah blah blah etc..." so dont start with that. I havent demanded anything honestly. Just came in made my thought on the subject that it didnt happen therefore I see no possible way to identify. I then said even if I did believe, how would one identify them? Theres no other mention of it and of course it couldnt of been the RISING of the dead mentioned in Daniel because obviously that wasnt judgement day. So at best it would be a guess at their identities. Is this true or false?

I really havent mocked you. Me saying lol is me smiling/laughing at whatever its directed at. I havent demanded anything (I didnt even demand an answer from you) so to say I have a demanding attitude is just basing it off of disagreement and nothing that I've actually done. I dont mind people responding to me in the matter that I've responded to you. Especially if I incite that by mocking their belief or telling them their opinion isnt welcome.Go back and look at the history. I made a post. Saw your post and responded. You responded not saying hey your topic is off topic but by editing what I said to blah blah blah meaning YOU MOCKED ME FIRST. My first response to you was a legitimate response with no uses of "lol" or editing of your posts.

You still havent explained what I have twisted cherrypicked or took out of context?
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You mocked first when you turned comment into "blah blah blah etc..." so dont start with that. I havent demanded anything honestly. Just came in made my thought on the subject that it didnt happen therefore I see no possible way to identify. I then said even if I did believe, how would one identify them? Theres no other mention of it and of course it couldnt of been the RISING of the dead mentioned in Daniel because obviously that wasnt judgement day. So at best it would be a guess at their identities. Is this true or false?

I really havent mocked you. Me saying lol is me smiling/laughing at whatever its directed at. I havent demanded anything (I didnt even demand an answer from you) so to say I have a demanding attitude is just basing it off of disagreement and nothing that I've actually done. I dont mind people responding to me in the matter that I've responded to you. Especially if I incite that by mocking their belief or telling them their opinion isnt welcome.Go back and look at the history. I made a post. Saw your post and responded. You responded not saying hey your topic is off topic but by editing what I said to blah blah blah meaning YOU MOCKED ME FIRST. My first response to you was a legitimate response with no uses of "lol" or editing of your posts.

You still havent explained what I have twisted cherrypicked or took out of context?
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I'm not going to go back through the whole thread and untangle this mess or show the basis for things I've already said. But just so we can move on...

You said "Daniel 12:2 Multitudes who sleep in the dust of the earth will awake: some to everlasting life, others to shame and everlasting contempt." You then seemed to argue that this was not describing the event at Jesus' death, which, if this is in fact what you're saying (I have no way to know), I totally agree with. But why should it be connected? Daniel is talking about the very end of human history, while this incident is far in the past already. Can't anything happen that wasn't prophesied in the OT? Must this incidence of the dead rising be a fulfillment of something? On what basis? To apply Daniel's end-of-time prophecy about the dead rising to this event is cherry-picking or melding together two unrelated things.

The OP's question, however, was simply about who these people might have been and what might have happened to them. I did not see any hint in the OP that s/he was looking for some OT prophecy to connect it to.

And with that I'm done, because I cannot imagine another way to explain this.
Have I now become your enemy by telling you the truth? (Gal. 4:16)

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