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A freeman in Lawful Rebellion under article 61 of the Magna Carta is stopped by the police...

 
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1. Do not cause harm or injury to anyone else

2. Do not use fraud in your business

3. If you do cheat in your business, then be willing to make a remedy

Let's see. three laws? not at all. two laws and a consequence for law 2. No consequence for law 1. What happens if I cause harm to someone and say fuck him,. I'm not being improsoined and I'm not paying restitution?

Idiots
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I got stopped for using fraud in my business and told the cop, I am not a freeman and I do not consent to whatever you are going to do. I also got stopped for not being willing to pay for my fraud. Si I harmed to cop and walked away without paying my tax.


what a rush
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I don't make remedies, I make widgets. So you can have 1 widget and a bloddy nose.
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Anyway OP, I told you to stop pissing down my leg. One more time and I will haul you ass into court. Never mind, there is no enforcement mechinism for that. You got lucky this time.
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I keep hoping I'll come across a so-called "freeman" who's got actual documentary evidence which proves it's not all bullshit. Alas, again anyone who questions the bullshit is met with insults (the two fuckwits in this thread - nepal and germany - have even wished me dead for questioning LOL) and requests for proof are answered with videos and badly-put-together PDF files made by the very same fuckwits. We are expected to take their word for it.

next I guess they'll start telling us that the freeman bullshit works every time in court, but they seal the records so the rest of us don't discover the magic bullet. Uh huh.

Here's some more info about the "freeman on the land" movement (movement as in "bowel movement" :) ) [link to rationalwiki.org]

"Freeman on the land, also known as FMOTL, FOTL, Footle or simply freeman[1], is a form of pseudolegal woo in various English-speaking countries. Freemen believe they can opt out of being governed, and that what normal people understand to be "laws" are merely a form of "contract" that applies only if people consent to it.[2]

Freemen hold that we are all subject to a massive international legal conspiracy perpetrated for the profit of the elites, but you can hack the system if you just use the right form of words.[3] They believe only in their version of natural law, which they call "common law." In practical terms, they believe this means they do not have to pay taxes, debts, mortgages, etc. because we were all deceived and if you say the right form of words this fact will be accepted.

Freemen believe they can declare themselves independent of government jurisdiction using the concept of "lawful rebellion": that all statute law is contractual and therefore only applicable if an individual consents to it. They assert that what everyone else regards as "the law" doesn't apply to them as they have not consented to a contract with the state,[4] even going so far as to claim they have a lawful right to refuse arrest if they do not consent. They insist that the government is a corporation, are obsessed with maritime law, and call themselves things like "John of the family Smith." Essentially, they're hilarious and somewhat less threatening sovereign citizens.

No freeman arguments have ever succeeded in court; some have even explicitly ruled that the term "freeman on the land" has no legal significance when the argument is raised.[5] Actually using the arguments gets people into worse trouble, including fines, asset seizures, contempt convictions and criminal records. However, this doesn't stop freemen from claiming that it works."

Much more at the link.
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was studying these laws then i got pregnat. what a dumb ass!
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was studying these laws then i got pregnat. what a dumb ass!
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1. Do not cause harm or injury to anyone else

2. Do not use fraud in your business

3. If you do cheat in your business, then be willing to make a remedy

Let's see. three laws? not at all. two laws and a consequence for law 2. No consequence for law 1. What happens if I cause harm to someone and say fuck him,. I'm not being improsoined and I'm not paying restitution?

Idiots
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 878841


This might help you to 'understand' (or not ;).





Statutes and acts of law arn't common law. You will be cuffed and thrown in the cop car without being asked a thing if you;

A; Harm someone;
B; defraud someone;
C; breach the peace.

In all other instances you will be asked to give your authority away, or submit to the polices' aurthority by answering questions. Why would there be this distinct difference in police method if not for being two entirely different forms of 'law'?
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1. Do not cause harm or injury to anyone else

2. Do not use fraud in your business

3. If you do cheat in your business, then be willing to make a remedy

Let's see. three laws? not at all. two laws and a consequence for law 2. No consequence for law 1. What happens if I cause harm to someone and say fuck him,. I'm not being improsoined and I'm not paying restitution?

Idiots
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 878841


This might help you to 'understand' (or not ;).





Statutes and acts of law arn't common law. You will be cuffed and thrown in the cop car without being asked a thing if you;

A; Harm someone;u
B; defraud someone;
C; breach the peace.

In all other instances you will be asked to give your authority away, or submit to the polices' aurthority by answering questions. Why would there be this distinct difference in police method if not for being two entirely different forms of 'law'?
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Idiot. There is lots of fraud and seldom is the defrauded handcuffed as you say. Neither are you generally cuffed for breaching the peace.
What tucking world do you live in??? Fantasyland???
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What is legislation?


leg·is·la·tion

[ lèjji sláysh'n ]


1.making of laws: the process of writing and passing laws
2.law or laws: a law or laws passed by an official body, especially a governmental assembly

What is law?

The result of legislation.

Idiot. Your semantic tricks are so lame.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 878841


Laws and Legislation are NOT the same thing. Laws are NOT the result of legislation. Rather, if you want to argue on that point, it would be more accurate to say that legislation is the result of laws, but it is unnecessary once again as common law already covers everything. Legislation is commercial law, UCC.
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What is legislation?


leg·is·la·tion

[ lèjji sláysh'n ]


1.making of laws: the process of writing and passing laws
2.law or laws: a law or laws passed by an official body, especially a governmental assembly

What is law?

The result of legislation.

Idiot. Your semantic tricks are so lame.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 878841


Laws and Legislation are NOT the same thing. Laws are NOT the result of legislation. Rather, if you want to argue on that point, it would be more accurate to say that legislation is the result of laws, but it is unnecessary once again as common law already covers everything. Legislation is commercial law, UCC.
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I need a simple answer.

My neighbor, a freeman punched me in the face which cost me $1000 in dental restoration. I filed a complaint with the sheriff department and he refused to be subjected to arrest, as you did in your story. I hired a lawyer and filed suit in civil court. Again he claimed immunity and or the summons to appear in court. I got a judgement by default for $780, but he refuses to pay me, refuses comtempt of court charges and refuses garneshee procedings

My question, how can I get restitution through COMMON LAW process? Please, no generic answer as talk to him, or that would never happen. I want specific answer or a link to a specific answer.

A law, whether common law or civil law or legislation or staute is not worth it's paper if it cannot be enforced. Who or what enforces common law?

I will assume that no valid answer as an admission that your story is bullshit
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1. Do not cause harm or injury to anyone else

2. Do not use fraud in your business

3. If you do cheat in your business, then be willing to make a remedy

Let's see. three laws? not at all. two laws and a consequence for law 2. No consequence for law 1. What happens if I cause harm to someone and say fuck him,. I'm not being improsoined and I'm not paying restitution?

Idiots
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 878841


This might help you to 'understand' (or not ;).





Statutes and acts of law arn't common law. You will be cuffed and thrown in the cop car without being asked a thing if you;

A; Harm someone;
B; defraud someone;
C; breach the peace.

In all other instances you will be asked to give your authority away, or submit to the polices' aurthority by answering questions. Why would there be this distinct difference in police method if not for being two entirely different forms of 'law'?
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Another point, I have personally seen people handcuffed and hauled away for simple infractions of STATUTE that were not among your list.
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OP I`m proud of you!

I myself would rather pay cartaxes to be less troubled by them parasites, but...
That doesn´t matter.
What all the nay-sayers do not realise is that everyone is entitled to live their life how they please.

I was forced to dive even more in the statues as being totally overrun by the SSystem which denies my origin.
So whatever you chose it is your right to do so.

One day I´ll stop paying taxes; that is my goal.;-)

Good luck brother!
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You might stop paying taxes but I'll bet you'll feel entitled to avail yourself of the benefits of the taxes other folks pay. You'll use the roads, schools, libraries and subsidised housing and yuor national medical system.

You would be a leach on society, but then again, you and OP are better then everyone else.
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All goods are paid for by bonds, you are clearing the interest

that is all ....
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What is legislation?


leg·is·la·tion

[ lèjji sláysh'n ]


1.making of laws: the process of writing and passing laws
2.law or laws: a law or laws passed by an official body, especially a governmental assembly

What is law?

The result of legislation.

Idiot. Your semantic tricks are so lame.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 878841


Laws and Legislation are NOT the same thing. Laws are NOT the result of legislation. Rather, if you want to argue on that point, it would be more accurate to say that legislation is the result of laws, but it is unnecessary once again as common law already covers everything. Legislation is commercial law, UCC.
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You insist on making this a semanital debate over the exact meaning of a few words. Yet you won't give me a definition of 'harm'.

You want to change the debate rather that address my pointed questions about the practical application of your THEORY.

You claim you are subject to common law, yet you can not explain how you might be made to comply if you do not comply voluntarily.

This whole idea of common law vs uuc is Bullshit
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What is legislation?


leg·is·la·tion

[ lèjji sláysh'n ]


1.making of laws: the process of writing and passing laws
2.law or laws: a law or laws passed by an official body, especially a governmental assembly

What is law?

The result of legislation.

Idiot. Your semantic tricks are so lame.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 878841


Laws and Legislation are NOT the same thing. Laws are NOT the result of legislation. Rather, if you want to argue on that point, it would be more accurate to say that legislation is the result of laws, but it is unnecessary once again as common law already covers everything. Legislation is commercial law, UCC.
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Legislation is commercial law? Then why is one of the points of your common law about fraud in business? That is commercial law.

Does common law and 'regular law' coincide in commercial areas but not criminal areas? How can that be?

You make absolutely no sense.
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OP I`m proud of you!

I myself would rather pay cartaxes to be less troubled by them parasites, but...
That doesn´t matter.
What all the nay-sayers do not realise is that everyone is entitled to live their life how they please.

I was forced to dive even more in the statues as being totally overrun by the SSystem which denies my origin.
So whatever you chose it is your right to do so.

One day I´ll stop paying taxes; that is my goal.;-)

Good luck brother!
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You might stop paying taxes but I'll bet you'll feel entitled to avail yourself of the benefits of the taxes other folks pay. You'll use the roads, schools, libraries and subsidised housing and yuor national medical system.

You would be a leach on society, but then again, you and OP are better then everyone else.
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All goods are paid for by bonds, you are clearing the interest

that is all ....
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What a dunce.

Cities SELL bonds as a way to BORROW money. The money that is BORROWED by issuing a bond is repaid with TAX revenue. The interest you refer to is not revenue to the city, it is a liabliity that the city PAYS to the bund HOLDERS (the lenders)

Idiots say the silliest things
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OP I`m proud of you!

I myself would rather pay cartaxes to be less troubled by them parasites, but...
That doesn´t matter.
What all the nay-sayers do not realise is that everyone is entitled to live their life how they please.

I was forced to dive even more in the statues as being totally overrun by the SSystem which denies my origin.
So whatever you chose it is your right to do so.

One day I´ll stop paying taxes; that is my goal.;-)

Good luck brother!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 25264577


You might stop paying taxes but I'll bet you'll feel entitled to avail yourself of the benefits of the taxes other folks pay. You'll use the roads, schools, libraries and subsidised housing and yuor national medical system.

You would be a leach on society, but then again, you and OP are better then everyone else.
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All goods are paid for by bonds, you are clearing the interest

that is all ....
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What a dunce.

Cities SELL bonds as a way to BORROW money. The money that is BORROWED by issuing a bond is repaid with TAX revenue. The interest you refer to is not revenue to the city, it is a liabliity that the city PAYS to the bund HOLDERS (the lenders)

Idiots say the silliest things
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Blah Blah Blah Federal Reserve Notes ... Blah Blah Blah

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What sucks is it took y'all over 2,000 years to do this ... and a infant is gonna unwind it
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You might stop paying taxes but I'll bet you'll feel entitled to avail yourself of the benefits of the taxes other folks pay. You'll use the roads, schools, libraries and subsidised housing and yuor national medical system.

You would be a leach on society, but then again, you and OP are better then everyone else.
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All goods are paid for by bonds, you are clearing the interest

that is all ....
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What a dunce.

Cities SELL bonds as a way to BORROW money. The money that is BORROWED by issuing a bond is repaid with TAX revenue. The interest you refer to is not revenue to the city, it is a liabliity that the city PAYS to the bund HOLDERS (the lenders)

Idiots say the silliest things
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Blah Blah Blah Federal Reserve Notes ... Blah Blah Blah


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You are right (shrug)

Keep on dreaming
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All goods are paid for by bonds, you are clearing the interest

that is all ....
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What a dunce.

Cities SELL bonds as a way to BORROW money. The money that is BORROWED by issuing a bond is repaid with TAX revenue. The interest you refer to is not revenue to the city, it is a liabliity that the city PAYS to the bund HOLDERS (the lenders)

Idiots say the silliest things
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 25303531

Blah Blah Blah Federal Reserve Notes ... Blah Blah Blah


 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 23880197


You are right (shrug)

Keep on dreaming
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Stop lowering yourself , this town deserves a better class of criminal ...
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What a dunce.

Cities SELL bonds as a way to BORROW money. The money that is BORROWED by issuing a bond is repaid with TAX revenue. The interest you refer to is not revenue to the city, it is a liabliity that the city PAYS to the bund HOLDERS (the lenders)

Idiots say the silliest things
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 25303531

Blah Blah Blah Federal Reserve Notes ... Blah Blah Blah


 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 23880197


You are right (shrug)

Keep on dreaming
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Stop lowering yourself , this town deserves a better class of criminal ...
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The idiot from Germany and the one from Nepal make up their own laws

You should make up your own money.

The only requirement it seems is that you don't approve of the current system (of law or of money).

Good luck
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Blah Blah Blah Federal Reserve Notes ... Blah Blah Blah


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You are right (shrug)

Keep on dreaming
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Stop lowering yourself , this town deserves a better class of criminal ...
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 23880197


The idiot from Germany and the one from Nepal make up their own laws

You should make up your own money.

The only requirement it seems is that you don't approve of the current system (of law or of money).

Good luck
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Right, I saw the convo ... I posted in case there are others wandering the path and stumble upon this thread.

God doesn't approve of your current system anymore ... it served its purpose to build the infrastructure of the kingdom that is coming.

All that is needed now is for people to redeem lawful money and turn it into positive ....

A swipe of the pen, a glimpse of identity and watch the butter melt ...

All the evil that has been done has only served to set the foundations for god's kingdom ...

The most evilest man has been such a help ... Thank you

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To all of the cowards on here who refuse to take a stand against their criminal governments? You are a COWARD and you DESERVE your slavery.
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Hahahahaha

Another thing I've discovered about these "freeman" dickheads is they can't take any sort of criticism of their timewasting doomed-to-failure activities.

You can't escape slavery by invoking the very laws which allowed "them" to enslave you in the first place.

It ain't rocket science Einstein. You'll realise it soon enough and if not you can stay on your hamster wheel for eternity as far as I'm concerned.
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But what are you doing about it ? probably nothing, you keep paying your taxes and having your arse wiped by the government.

He who knows no rights, has none
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To all of the cowards on here who refuse to take a stand against their criminal governments? You are a COWARD and you DESERVE your slavery.
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Hahahahaha

Another thing I've discovered about these "freeman" dickheads is they can't take any sort of criticism of their timewasting doomed-to-failure activities.

You can't escape slavery by invoking the very laws which allowed "them" to enslave you in the first place.

It ain't rocket science Einstein. You'll realise it soon enough and if not you can stay on your hamster wheel for eternity as far as I'm concerned.
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But what are you doing about it ? probably nothing, you keep paying your taxes and having your arse wiped by the government.

He who knows no rights, has none
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I have respect for those people who are unable to post here because they are in prison for their principles, whether I agree or disagree with the principles they are fighting for.

I have nothing but distain for those who hide behind a keyboard trying to incite others to fight battle for them.

You know which category you are in.
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1. Do not cause harm or injury to anyone else

2. Do not use fraud in your business

3. If you do cheat in your business, then be willing to make a remedy

Let's see. three laws? not at all. two laws and a consequence for law 2. No consequence for law 1. What happens if I cause harm to someone and say fuck him,. I'm not being improsoined and I'm not paying restitution?

Idiots
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Then you dont deserve to live in any decent society, prick. Thing is if you'd have done that 400 years ago you would have been lynched by the community. The current system means the government gets the fine and you as a taxpayer, pay for them to reside in prison, but you cant see that, but you want to maintain it, that is some fucked up shit, for the country with the largest privately run and controlled prison system in the world

Why cant you lot see that being a 'freeman' is about taking responsibilty about your own actions and not letting the state dictate them to you. Why should i work to feed and clothe myself and my family and pay tax to the government for them to give to someone who cant be arsed to do the above for themself ?
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1. Do not cause harm or injury to anyone else

2. Do not use fraud in your business

3. If you do cheat in your business, then be willing to make a remedy

Let's see. three laws? not at all. two laws and a consequence for law 2. No consequence for law 1. What happens if I cause harm to someone and say fuck him,. I'm not being improsoined and I'm not paying restitution?

Idiots
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 878841


Then you dont deserve to live in any decent society, prick. Thing is if you'd have done that 400 years ago you would have been lynched by the community. The current system means the government gets the fine and you as a taxpayer, pay for them to reside in prison, but you cant see that, but you want to maintain it, that is some fucked up shit, for the country with the largest privately run and controlled prison system in the world

Why cant you lot see that being a 'freeman' is about taking responsibilty about your own actions and not letting the state dictate them to you. Why should i work to feed and clothe myself and my family and pay tax to the government for them to give to someone who cant be arsed to do the above for themself ?
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You are conflating the criminal justice system with the welfare state. Not a good debate strategy.

I have asked and asked again, what about those who cause harm to me or otherwise violate the common law? No mechanism exists for redress of grievences against anyone who happens to cause me phusical or financial harm.

I happen to accept the fact that I am a member of society, As such I also accept that a crime against me personally is also a crime against society. I also have no obligation to litigate my case, the state does that for me and is entitled to levy any conwequence or deterent the state courts deems appropriate.

I do have options to personal compensation in the current system. There is a victim fund that imbruses victims of some crimes...not universal but it is a start. I also can bring suit in civil court for damages (civil court ruined OJ Simpson AFTER criminal court found him not guilty).

Maybe under common law I would be better compensated if someone was found to be 'guilty' of a crime against me, but who enforces that law? Who forces him into court if he does not go willingly? Who enforces and judgements?

You have nothing.
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1. Do not cause harm or injury to anyone else

2. Do not use fraud in your business

3. If you do cheat in your business, then be willing to make a remedy

Let's see. three laws? not at all. two laws and a consequence for law 2. No consequence for law 1. What happens if I cause harm to someone and say fuck him,. I'm not being improsoined and I'm not paying restitution?

Idiots
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Then you dont deserve to live in any decent society, prick. Thing is if you'd have done that 400 years ago you would have been lynched by the community. The current system means the government gets the fine and you as a taxpayer, pay for them to reside in prison, but you cant see that, but you want to maintain it, that is some fucked up shit, for the country with the largest privately run and controlled prison system in the world

Why cant you lot see that being a 'freeman' is about taking responsibilty about your own actions and not letting the state dictate them to you. Why should i work to feed and clothe myself and my family and pay tax to the government for them to give to someone who cant be arsed to do the above for themself ?
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Lynched by the community? In today's world people walk past rapes and muggings in progress and are not even willing to make a 911 call. My neighbors will not come to my aid to make a perpatrator go to court and/or make amends to me.

I don't deserve to live in decent society? Without the current criminal justice system there would be no society at all, much less a DECENT society to live in, deserving or not.
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10/10/2012 12:33 PM
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Re: A freeman in Lawful Rebellion under article 61 of the Magna Carta is stopped by the police...
1. Do not cause harm or injury to anyone else

2. Do not use fraud in your business

3. If you do cheat in your business, then be willing to make a remedy

Let's see. three laws? not at all. two laws and a consequence for law 2. No consequence for law 1. What happens if I cause harm to someone and say fuck him,. I'm not being improsoined and I'm not paying restitution?

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 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 878841


Then you dont deserve to live in any decent society, prick. Thing is if you'd have done that 400 years ago you would have been lynched by the community. The current system means the government gets the fine and you as a taxpayer, pay for them to reside in prison, but you cant see that, but you want to maintain it, that is some fucked up shit, for the country with the largest privately run and controlled prison system in the world

Why cant you lot see that being a 'freeman' is about taking responsibilty about your own actions and not letting the state dictate them to you. Why should i work to feed and clothe myself and my family and pay tax to the government for them to give to someone who cant be arsed to do the above for themself ?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 2043243


You are conflating the criminal justice system with the welfare state. Not a good debate strategy.

I have asked and asked again, what about those who cause harm to me or otherwise violate the common law? No mechanism exists for redress of grievences against anyone who happens to cause me phusical or financial harm.

I happen to accept the fact that I am a member of society, As such I also accept that a crime against me personally is also a crime against society. I also have no obligation to litigate my case, the state does that for me and is entitled to levy any conwequence or deterent the state courts deems appropriate.

I do have options to personal compensation in the current system. There is a victim fund that imbruses victims of some crimes...not universal but it is a start. I also can bring suit in civil court for damages (civil court ruined OJ Simpson AFTER criminal court found him not guilty).

Maybe under common law I would be better compensated if someone was found to be 'guilty' of a crime against me, but who enforces that law? Who forces him into court if he does not go willingly? Who enforces and judgements?

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It's quite comical to say the least.

I ran into 2 of these types when I was younger (did some ride-along's with PD's). The first thing out of their mouth, like they were reading from a script, was "I do not recognize your authority". The officer would then promptly interject and ask "Then why did you pull over for me?". Both of them then had a deer-in-the-headlights look (more of a "oh shit, he has a point" look), and then proceeded to go on some incoherent rant about common law and shit.

Well, they both ended up arrested...and one was sentenced to some jail time.


It may have only been 2 interactions with them, but I can say this...they are nothing more than anarchists and criminals who use this fabricated "common law" excuse to get out of being held responsible for their actions.

They are really nothing more than cowards, really.
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Re: A freeman in Lawful Rebellion under article 61 of the Magna Carta is stopped by the police...
e have a civil court that hears and judges cases brought by one citizen against another (or corporations...whatever). Judgements are paid to the plaintiff if he proves his case.

This system has a constant list of cases, some valid and some not. See [link to www.the-injury-lawyer-directory.com] Some are seeking restitution for real injury, saom are just an attmpt to extort money.

In our criminal justice system I have no incentive to file a complain against you except to see you punished for your crime and to preven you and others from commiting that crime on myself or others. I your happen to be convicted in criminal court it does improve my chances of winning a judgement in civil court.

The point to all of this is, considering the state of society today, a HUGE number of complaints would be filed in order to extort money from whoever is ACCUSED of causeing harm to someone.

Unless all this freeman stuff is only for some people to place themselves outside of and legal system comprised of humans. Freemen who think they are better then all others.
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10/10/2012 12:44 PM
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Re: A freeman in Lawful Rebellion under article 61 of the Magna Carta is stopped by the police...
Regular people don't use the word "Criminal Justice System" .....

Only small group of people talk like that ....