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I'll try to keep this short...

For those that have been alive long enough to remember, the 80's were quite the turnaround. The 50's are generally considered to be a positive post WWII era, the 60's and 70's was a transitional time when there was a lot of civil unrest, rapid cultural changes especially in music and fashion. Then came the 80's.

The 80's were full of massive change.. but it seemed to be mostly positive. We had somehow dug ourselves out of stagnation, inflation ect. The movies and music were generally positive and upbeat. Sure, it wasn't perfect, and mistakes in policy haunt us today, But overall this positive growth was obvious for everyone to see. There was new inventions like the CD, video games, electronics of all types. Technology was booming. There seemed to be a job for everyone that wanted one. This lasted well into the late 90's and seemed to crash right after 9-11.

Since the early 2000's there has been little to look forward to. Music and culture has deteriorated to a point most of us tune it right out. This was not so true for adults in the past. I remember my own parents listened to POP radio stations and enjoyed new music of all styles, not all of it was good of course, but it didn't all suck either.

Obama was supposed to be the man that would bring back this positive feeling. It was not to be. There may have been a short period of positiveness, but it gained no traction.

In order to have a real positive change, a few conditions must be met. First the economy must grow. Second, it must be backed by positive messages through the expression of music and fashion.

Although I have no proof, I suspect the Reagan administration planted advisers in key industries and Hollywood to express this positive message. A cultural relations commission?? This goes beyond my knowledge. But I do know that Reagan was a big fan of new movies, and we know his close ties with Hollywood. Were we living Reagan's vision of the future? I don't know, all I know is it was better....

This is where Obama failed the most. If I were to advise Romney, should he win.. I would tell him to copy what the Reagan administration did, and bring back the positive message, and back it with some major economic growth..

Everything is such a mess, but it is not impossible, and we will not know until we try.

Anyway, something to think about....

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You had a revolution in the 80's on your planet???
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You had a revolution in the 80's on your planet???
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On my planet there was.. I suspect you were not even on this planet yet.. Ask your parents.
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im alrdy making this happen;; want to speed it up then donate and come learn from me.
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im alrdy making this happen;; want to speed it up then donate and come learn from me.
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?!?!?
Propaganda has to be popular and has to accommodate itself to the comprehension of the least intelligent of those whom it seeks to reach...
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The way I figure it, if the people are being manipulated anyway, they might as well do it in a positive way.. Because right now.. people are miserable..
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What happened in the 80's is the primary factor in what is happening now, massive debt, overreaching government interference in private affairs, none of it good.

At least in the 60's and early 70's it seemed young people understood who the real enemy of freedom was and were willing to stand up and challenge its authority.
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You had a revolution in the 80's on your planet???
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On my planet there was.. I suspect you were not even on this planet yet.. Ask your parents.
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Um... sorry, but the last revolution was punk in the 70s.

The 80s had new wave and high hair.

You are a pretender.
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we need a 1776 style Revolution where the people let the government know they would not be controlled any longer.


except now the people ar much better armed, he he he...
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What revolution? What optimism? 80s was a miserable time. Maybe your "Morning in America"-moment blinded you, but with the insane arms race reaching its peak, at least I was expecting to die soon in a nuclear holocaust. Like many of us in the Generation X, I grew up with no hope and no visions of future.

Fossilized world leaders both in the east (Brezhnev, Andropov, Chernenko) and the west (Reagan, Bush Senior) kept ratcheting up the tools and rhetorics of war and extinction of all life, while terrorists were running amok and blowing up planes all over the place (check it out; today's terrorism is nothing compared to those days).

Even as a teenager I was disturbed by the realization of how spiritually dead decade it was. Thinking back still gives me the shudders. The flagrant worship of money and success reached sickening proportions rivaled only by today's greed and open contempt for those who're not well-off. People placed their hopes on technology and their faith in eternal economical growth. Faith in eternal economical growth is essentially a secular substitute for the faith in eternal life with both belonging to the realms of pure fantasy. People tried to patch over their inner emptiness with endless plastique pop music, extravagant parties and decadence bought on loan money. Fortunately, the tech bubble in the early 90s put an end to it all.

The financial crisis, collapse of the east-west confrontation and re-emergence of some social consciousness (taking care of the weak even when we have little) gave me hope for the first time in my life. We could have made a change, turn away from the insane cycle of material consumption, war and worship of money towards a more humane and spiritual society, but it didn't turn out that way. Ten years later we, as a human race, were partying again on loan money while conveniently forgetting about the weak in our society, fighting dirty wars to keep the military industrial complex happy and using billionaires as poster boys for personal success.
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What happened in the 80's is the primary factor in what is happening now, massive debt, overreaching government interference in private affairs, none of it good.

At least in the 60's and early 70's it seemed young people understood who the real enemy of freedom was and were willing to stand up and challenge its authority.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 23164226


I think the people understand that very well at any time... Also, one could argue that one of the reasons the govt is overreaching on the people is a direct response from the protests of the past.

Personally, I think they set up these mass protests to give a reason to expand govt control. After-all, they have all they need to justify NDAA or the patriot act.. or any other policy.. they just point to the examples and say "see what happens if we do not act!" And the money flows in...
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What revolution? What optimism? 80s was a miserable time. Maybe your "Morning in America"-moment blinded you, but with the insane arms race reaching its peak, at least I was expecting to die soon in a nuclear holocaust. Like many of us in the Generation X, I grew up with no hope and no visions of future.

Fossilized world leaders both in the east (Brezhnev, Andropov, Chernenko) and the west (Reagan, Bush Senior) kept ratcheting up the tools and rhetorics of war and extinction of all life, while terrorists were running amok and blowing up planes all over the place (check it out; today's terrorism is nothing compared to those days).

Even as a teenager I was disturbed by the realization of how spiritually dead decade it was. Thinking back still gives me the shudders. The flagrant worship of money and success reached sickening proportions rivaled only by today's greed and open contempt for those who're not well-off. People placed their hopes on technology and their faith in eternal economical growth. Faith in eternal economical growth is essentially a secular substitute for the faith in eternal life with both belonging to the realms of pure fantasy. People tried to patch over their inner emptiness with endless plastique pop music, extravagant parties and decadence bought on loan money. Fortunately, the tech bubble in the early 90s put an end to it all.

The financial crisis, collapse of the east-west confrontation and re-emergence of some social consciousness (taking care of the weak even when we have little) gave me hope for the first time in my life. We could have made a change, turn away from the insane cycle of material consumption, war and worship of money towards a more humane and spiritual society, but it didn't turn out that way. Ten years later we, as a human race, were partying again on loan money while conveniently forgetting about the weak in our society, fighting dirty wars to keep the military industrial complex happy and using billionaires as poster boys for personal success.
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The 80's were a "miserable time"?

Hardly. You say you were a teen, I am thinking more like "in 1989, this poster turned 13". Only a relatively mature adult who lived during that time period, would know how great a change was made during the Reagan Era. That man brought pride, confidence, and a truly new beginning for America.

You seem to be repeating a myriad of one liners that you've read elsewhere.
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Wrong. I was 13 in 1981.
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Re: We need an 80's style revolution
What revolution? What optimism? 80s was a miserable time. Maybe your "Morning in America"-moment blinded you, but with the insane arms race reaching its peak, at least I was expecting to die soon in a nuclear holocaust. Like many of us in the Generation X, I grew up with no hope and no visions of future.

Fossilized world leaders both in the east (Brezhnev, Andropov, Chernenko) and the west (Reagan, Bush Senior) kept ratcheting up the tools and rhetorics of war and extinction of all life, while terrorists were running amok and blowing up planes all over the place (check it out; today's terrorism is nothing compared to those days).

Even as a teenager I was disturbed by the realization of how spiritually dead decade it was. Thinking back still gives me the shudders. The flagrant worship of money and success reached sickening proportions rivaled only by today's greed and open contempt for those who're not well-off. People placed their hopes on technology and their faith in eternal economical growth. Faith in eternal economical growth is essentially a secular substitute for the faith in eternal life with both belonging to the realms of pure fantasy. People tried to patch over their inner emptiness with endless plastique pop music, extravagant parties and decadence bought on loan money. Fortunately, the tech bubble in the early 90s put an end to it all.

The financial crisis, collapse of the east-west confrontation and re-emergence of some social consciousness (taking care of the weak even when we have little) gave me hope for the first time in my life. We could have made a change, turn away from the insane cycle of material consumption, war and worship of money towards a more humane and spiritual society, but it didn't turn out that way. Ten years later we, as a human race, were partying again on loan money while conveniently forgetting about the weak in our society, fighting dirty wars to keep the military industrial complex happy and using billionaires as poster boys for personal success.
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You know as well as I that Europe was in an altogether different situation than the States were... by the 1980's we stopped doing Nuclear attack drills in our schools.. and things were looking up.. especially after Johnson, Nixon, Ford and Carter!
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You had a revolution in the 80's on your planet???
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On my planet there was.. I suspect you were not even on this planet yet.. Ask your parents.
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so let's see if i got this right: maggy thatcher beginning the privatization process (corporate welfare) was a revolution? reagan increasing military spending 10 fold (and such blatant bullshit as "star wars") was a revolution? the deregulation of broadcasting which ushered in informercials and fox news was a revolution? the 80s was the era of the birth of "outsourcing", union busting, and crack cocaine. it was when industry began divesting in this country. it's the decade that began the "gangsta culture" that turned the urban poor from a class that had begun to empower itself through self sufficiency in the 70s into a class of criminals. it saw the birth of random road stops for the first time in our history. it saw the template for the current economic collapse played out. it saw michael milkin bilk billions, get to keep it, and get a slap on the wrist as punishment. it saw illegal wars financed by the sale of drugs to ourselves, and weaponry to our "enemies". it saw the birth of the fundamentalist christian power grab in this country. yeah, i was there, i remember it very well. so you getting a cd player and an NES was positive enough to trump all the negative? OP, you're a fucking imbecile!!
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You had a revolution in the 80's on your planet???
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On my planet there was.. I suspect you were not even on this planet yet.. Ask your parents.
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so let's see if i got this right: maggy thatcher beginning the privatization process (corporate welfare) was a revolution? reagan increasing military spending 10 fold (and such blatant bullshit as "star wars") was a revolution? the deregulation of broadcasting which ushered in informercials and fox news was a revolution? the 80s was the era of the birth of "outsourcing", union busting, and crack cocaine. it was when industry began divesting in this country. it's the decade that began the "gangsta culture" that turned the urban poor from a class that had begun to empower itself through self sufficiency in the 70s into a class of criminals. it saw the birth of random road stops for the first time in our history. it saw the template for the current economic collapse played out. it saw michael milkin bilk billions, get to keep it, and get a slap on the wrist as punishment. it saw illegal wars financed by the sale of drugs to ourselves, and weaponry to our "enemies". it saw the birth of the fundamentalist christian power grab in this country. yeah, i was there, i remember it very well. so you getting a cd player and an NES was positive enough to trump all the negative? OP, you're a fucking imbecile!!
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As if none of that was going on during the previous 50 years? Wake up! Shit has always been going on. You worry about infomercials?? Who ever watched that crap, you???

Business is business.. and it always will be.. if there is a buck to be made.. someone or some corporation will find it. It's the law of economics.

You think there was not a "gangsa culture" prior to the 80's? Well, you need to do your homework..

Fox news? Who cares about that?? Give it a rest! I do wish that all the networks would actually cover the news like they used to.. I'll give you that much.

Oh, and just for your memory.. during the savings and load debacle.. over 1000 bankers went to jail... How many during the Obama administration?? ZERO!

You are obviously a pure libtard!
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Something else about the 80's

If the cops caught you with a beer and you were underage.. they made you dump it out.. and sent you on your way. That goes for pot too.. Nowadays, they throw you in jail and try their best to ruin your whole life..

If you were at a house party.. the cops didn't raid it.. If they got a noise complaint, they knocked and asked you to turn it down... There would be 30 high school students with beer in their hands on the front lawn, and it was ok!

I feel sorry for teenagers today.. they are so restricted by rules.. they can't breath.. and people wonder why kids feel hopeless and lost.. Even the ones that follow all the rules, and go to college finish with an insurmountable student loan hanging over them and only a 50% chance of landing good job.. Why bother going?
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What happened in the 80's is the primary factor in what is happening now, massive debt, overreaching government interference in private affairs, none of it good.

At least in the 60's and early 70's it seemed young people understood who the real enemy of freedom was and were willing to stand up and challenge its authority.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 23164226


I think the people understand that very well at any time... Also, one could argue that one of the reasons the govt is overreaching on the people is a direct response from the protests of the past.

Personally, I think they set up these mass protests to give a reason to expand govt control. After-all, they have all they need to justify NDAA or the patriot act.. or any other policy.. they just point to the examples and say "see what happens if we do not act!" And the money flows in...
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There is ZERO justification for NDAA or the patriot act - both are signs of a government out of control and sick with power.

The only reason we should tolerate government is if it serves the purposes of freedom, it is why this country was formed.
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I agree... I 'm just pointing out their mindset.
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What revolution? What optimism? 80s was a miserable time. Maybe your "Morning in America"-moment blinded you, but with the insane arms race reaching its peak, at least I was expecting to die soon in a nuclear holocaust. Like many of us in the Generation X, I grew up with no hope and no visions of future.

Fossilized world leaders both in the east (Brezhnev, Andropov, Chernenko) and the west (Reagan, Bush Senior) kept ratcheting up the tools and rhetorics of war and extinction of all life, while terrorists were running amok and blowing up planes all over the place (check it out; today's terrorism is nothing compared to those days).

Even as a teenager I was disturbed by the realization of how spiritually dead decade it was. Thinking back still gives me the shudders. The flagrant worship of money and success reached sickening proportions rivaled only by today's greed and open contempt for those who're not well-off. People placed their hopes on technology and their faith in eternal economical growth. Faith in eternal economical growth is essentially a secular substitute for the faith in eternal life with both belonging to the realms of pure fantasy. People tried to patch over their inner emptiness with endless plastique pop music, extravagant parties and decadence bought on loan money. Fortunately, the tech bubble in the early 90s put an end to it all.

The financial crisis, collapse of the east-west confrontation and re-emergence of some social consciousness (taking care of the weak even when we have little) gave me hope for the first time in my life. We could have made a change, turn away from the insane cycle of material consumption, war and worship of money towards a more humane and spiritual society, but it didn't turn out that way. Ten years later we, as a human race, were partying again on loan money while conveniently forgetting about the weak in our society, fighting dirty wars to keep the military industrial complex happy and using billionaires as poster boys for personal success.
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The 80's were a "miserable time"?

Hardly. You say you were a teen, I am thinking more like "in 1989, this poster turned 13". Only a relatively mature adult who lived during that time period, would know how great a change was made during the Reagan Era. That man brought pride, confidence, and a truly new beginning for America.

You seem to be repeating a myriad of one liners that you've read elsewhere.
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Reagan brought debts that will forever enslave the population.
That pride and confidence you talk about are illusory.

The only beginning he brought about was the start of the end.

And to be honest, I doubt Reagan had anything to do with anything after the attempted assassination as he was suffering from Alzheimers.
From that point on G.W. Bush was effectively in charge.
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What revolution? What optimism? 80s was a miserable time. Maybe your "Morning in America"-moment blinded you, but with the insane arms race reaching its peak, at least I was expecting to die soon in a nuclear holocaust. Like many of us in the Generation X, I grew up with no hope and no visions of future.

Fossilized world leaders both in the east (Brezhnev, Andropov, Chernenko) and the west (Reagan, Bush Senior) kept ratcheting up the tools and rhetorics of war and extinction of all life, while terrorists were running amok and blowing up planes all over the place (check it out; today's terrorism is nothing compared to those days).

Even as a teenager I was disturbed by the realization of how spiritually dead decade it was. Thinking back still gives me the shudders. The flagrant worship of money and success reached sickening proportions rivaled only by today's greed and open contempt for those who're not well-off. People placed their hopes on technology and their faith in eternal economical growth. Faith in eternal economical growth is essentially a secular substitute for the faith in eternal life with both belonging to the realms of pure fantasy. People tried to patch over their inner emptiness with endless plastique pop music, extravagant parties and decadence bought on loan money. Fortunately, the tech bubble in the early 90s put an end to it all.

The financial crisis, collapse of the east-west confrontation and re-emergence of some social consciousness (taking care of the weak even when we have little) gave me hope for the first time in my life. We could have made a change, turn away from the insane cycle of material consumption, war and worship of money towards a more humane and spiritual society, but it didn't turn out that way. Ten years later we, as a human race, were partying again on loan money while conveniently forgetting about the weak in our society, fighting dirty wars to keep the military industrial complex happy and using billionaires as poster boys for personal success.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 24743440


The 80's were a "miserable time"?

Hardly. You say you were a teen, I am thinking more like "in 1989, this poster turned 13". Only a relatively mature adult who lived during that time period, would know how great a change was made during the Reagan Era. That man brought pride, confidence, and a truly new beginning for America.

You seem to be repeating a myriad of one liners that you've read elsewhere.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1306067


Reagan brought debts that will forever enslave the population.
That pride and confidence you talk about are illusory.

The only beginning he brought about was the start of the end.

And to be honest, I doubt Reagan had anything to do with anything after the attempted assassination as he was suffering from Alzheimers.
From that point on G.W. Bush was effectively in charge.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 23164226


People have always been enslaved by debt. Where have you been? Name a time since money was invented that people were not enslaved by the monetary system..

Govt debt had only been repaid once.. and only for a very short time..

Reagan only really began to suffer in the last 2 years. He was on cruise control during that time...

You got your presidents mixed up.. It wasn't G.W. Bush.. it was George H. W. Bush... from what I understand, Reagan was never fond of H.W... remember it was the Bushes family friend Hinckley that shot him. So I imagine there was some bad blood between them..
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Here's a revolution you can join.

Today, Oct. 9, is John Lennon's birthday. There is a live event for lighting the Imagine Peace Tower today. For just one day, let's focus on Peace. And yes, it is revolutionary.
Even if you don't like John, join for one day of Peace.


You can get the link to the live event and times for your area, here:

Thread: Relighting John Lennon Peace Tower Oct 9....Live Feed



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Here's a revolution you can join.

Today, Oct. 9, is John Lennon's birthday. There is a live event for lighting the Imagine Peace Tower today. For just one day, let's focus on Peace. And yes, it is revolutionary.
Even if you don't like John, join for one day of Peace.


You can get the link to the live event and times for your area, here:

Thread: Relighting John Lennon Peace Tower Oct 9....Live Feed



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Thanks, I'll check it out.
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You had a revolution in the 80's on your planet???
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On my planet there was.. I suspect you were not even on this planet yet.. Ask your parents.
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so let's see if i got this right: maggy thatcher beginning the privatization process (corporate welfare) was a revolution? reagan increasing military spending 10 fold (and such blatant bullshit as "star wars") was a revolution? the deregulation of broadcasting which ushered in informercials and fox news was a revolution? the 80s was the era of the birth of "outsourcing", union busting, and crack cocaine. it was when industry began divesting in this country. it's the decade that began the "gangsta culture" that turned the urban poor from a class that had begun to empower itself through self sufficiency in the 70s into a class of criminals. it saw the birth of random road stops for the first time in our history. it saw the template for the current economic collapse played out. it saw michael milkin bilk billions, get to keep it, and get a slap on the wrist as punishment. it saw illegal wars financed by the sale of drugs to ourselves, and weaponry to our "enemies". it saw the birth of the fundamentalist christian power grab in this country. yeah, i was there, i remember it very well. so you getting a cd player and an NES was positive enough to trump all the negative? OP, you're a fucking imbecile!!
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that"blatant bullshit" called out the russians as liars,as they claimed they had the same tech, but bigger and better,then he said "there is no such thing as strategic defense initiative"

the guy was brilliant.....
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Yes he was.. people actually felt good about the USA during that time. people sure didn't feel great about it in the 60's and 70's.. and certainly not during the 2000's.. There was a power struggle between Reagan and Bush no doubt.. but it was kept mostly hidden from the public.. I get the feeling Reagan did what he could, but one of his gifts was in culture.
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You mean with big hair and spandex?


lmao
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Yes he was.. people actually felt good about the USA during that time. people sure didn't feel great about it in the 60's and 70's.. and certainly not during the 2000's.. There was a power struggle between Reagan and Bush no doubt.. but it was kept mostly hidden from the public.. I get the feeling Reagan did what he could, but one of his gifts was in culture.
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STFU - Washington DC has been BAD & EVIL since 1776 (see: Civil War)
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I'll take your 80's , give you the 2,000's and raise you a Kurt Cobain

Just need to rehash it for 2012 ... whos gonna do it ?

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