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Would US troops kill US citizens?

 
Billy_Sastard
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Would US troops kill US citizens?
Do you believe that in a martial law situation that US military troops would kill american citizens, or would insubordination cripple the military?
It is, to me, sad how fast people forget the FOUNDATIONS of our fine country! This country was built by an armed population capable of fending for themselves, and will be lost by couches full of potato-sheeple riding their 52" HD-LEDTV's into the orwellian sunset. :(
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I think you have your answer.
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We had some great guys in my unit and this was discussed most said no untill we were fired on 90,s .I hope it remains the same now. oathtaker now
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Re: Would US troops kill US citizens?
We had some great guys in my unit and this was discussed most said no untill we were fired on 90,s .I hope it remains the same now. oathtaker now
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I have a question for you. How do you think soldiers would react if they were tasked with taking up firearms and detaining those who might refuse?
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We had some great guys in my unit and this was discussed most said no untill we were fired on 90,s .I hope it remains the same now. oathtaker now
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I have a question for you. How do you think soldiers would react if they were tasked with taking up firearms and detaining those who might refuse?
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I was just about to ask the same question...
It is, to me, sad how fast people forget the FOUNDATIONS of our fine country! This country was built by an armed population capable of fending for themselves, and will be lost by couches full of potato-sheeple riding their 52" HD-LEDTV's into the orwellian sunset. :(
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We had some great guys in my unit and this was discussed most said no untill we were fired on 90,s .I hope it remains the same now. oathtaker now
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This, they'll push the agenda but will recoil from firing at will unless fired upon.hf
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Do you believe that in a martial law situation that US military troops would kill american citizens, or would insubordination cripple the military?
 Quoting: Billy_Sastard


30% will. 70% will not. Years of research says this is accurate. I pray I am wrong.
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"Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it"
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If you are referring to the civil war, well, those southern boys weren't US citizens, now were they?
It is, to me, sad how fast people forget the FOUNDATIONS of our fine country! This country was built by an armed population capable of fending for themselves, and will be lost by couches full of potato-sheeple riding their 52" HD-LEDTV's into the orwellian sunset. :(
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BRING ON THE DOOM!!!
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I think you have your answer.
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Just look at what happened with the guard and Katrina for the answer.
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We had some great guys in my unit and this was discussed most said no untill we were fired on 90,s .I hope it remains the same now. oathtaker now
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I have a question for you. How do you think soldiers would react if they were tasked with taking up firearms and detaining those who might refuse?
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They did it in katrina .I would not obey a unconstitutional order i think the military would split many soldiers have family and would not do this but you may have to worry about blackwater mercs nato ect
never surrender your guns!!!!
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Re: Would US troops kill US citizens?
Many would, and I think the biggest factor would be which neighborhood or ethnic group was involved.
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The TSA would...
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This makes me sad. I did not know about the weapon confiscation stuff with katrina...
It is, to me, sad how fast people forget the FOUNDATIONS of our fine country! This country was built by an armed population capable of fending for themselves, and will be lost by couches full of potato-sheeple riding their 52" HD-LEDTV's into the orwellian sunset. :(
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BRING ON THE DOOM!!!
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I am in the military and I say no. I wouldn't fire on the citizens. I know that some of the military would because they don't want to disobey their higher ups. But they are willing to go against the oath.
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Re: Would US troops kill US citizens?
some will... some won't.

some will turn their weapons on their own squad members and COs.

but if you throw into the mix a couple million very angry gun owners and we have one of the largest standing armies in the world.
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Re: Would US troops kill US citizens?
Smarten up guys.. Who said they'd use US troops to do it?


That's the job for the FOREIGN troops which are already in this country and around the borders. The foreign troops owe NO ALLEGIANCE to you, so they'd fill you up with an M-16 REAL quick.
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Re: Would US troops kill US citizens?
The whole world or the US has gone to complete chaos. Every major store/gas station and hospital are looted or destroyed. There is no food, water or an organized society. It's a free for all. Now imagine you being a troop, seeing all the chaos, not knowing if you still have a home to go back to. Now are you going to walk away and go into the chaos with nothing or are you going to stay where you have food, water, shelter, guns and people you know?

We will be shot at, just like the the German Nazi's did and countless other governments.
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Re: Would US troops kill US citizens?
Just look at what happened with the guard and Katrina for the answer.
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I remember that was unauthorized unregulated no rules Blackwater.

Those f*ckers just showed up b/c bush sent them there.
If I'm not mistaken we still had posse commitatus at the time (may be wrong).
Completely illegal for him to do that.

That was also the time he took away NG control from the states.

Insofar as what kind of danger from our own soldiers we might experience, there's going to be some kids who are too awestruck by 'authority' to disobey. That's a fact.
Blackwater & mercenaries are very expensive for a job that size.

Just thinkin out loud.
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Re: Would US troops kill US citizens?
Other things to consider.

Blackwater/mercenaries don't mix well with regular soldiers, in fact they got in the way and messed up some regular ops.
You'd think it would be much more so in terms of conflict in domestic ops.

Then there's what they call 'blackwater envy' because their pay was in the neighborhood of 25-30g's a month. Rough, no rules, no consequences. Psycho thugs.

Correct me where I'm wrong.
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Smarten up guys.. Who said they'd use US troops to do it?


That's the job for the FOREIGN troops which are already in this country and around the borders. The foreign troops owe NO ALLEGIANCE to you, so they'd fill you up with an M-16 REAL quick.
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Theyll fucking die trying!
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i guess most of you never heard of the army machine gunning ww1 vets camped out in DC protesting for their GI benefits during the early days of the depression. all it takes for those "miliatary heroes" to turn their arms on even their former comrades is a commander telling them they are in some way "subversive" or "mutinous". i guess you also missed such minor historical moments as kent state ("4 dead in ohio"), the national guard units gassing and bayonetting war protesters, or the abuses they rained down on the civil rights protesters. yeah, i know, it was "them", not you. you are ALL "them", all it takes is the order to come to treat you as such. of course they will kill american civilians.
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Why not? Cops have no problem blowing away naked, crazy, or handicapped people....
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Volunteer military do what they are told. A draft military shoots their officers and generals in the head when they are not looking for making un-constitutional orders.
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Two words...Kent State

Kent State massacre occurred at Kent State University in the U.S. city of Kent, Ohio, and involved the shooting of unarmed college students by the Ohio National Guard on Monday, May 4, 1970. The guardsmen fired 67 rounds over a period of 13 seconds, killing four students and wounding nine others, one of whom suffered permanent paralysis
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Re: Would US troops kill US citizens?
Do you believe that in a martial law situation that US military troops would kill american citizens, or would insubordination cripple the military?
 Quoting: Billy_Sastard


Oh god yes...

History has dictated this time and time again...

Show me a country that has not turned on itself...

First they have to dehumanize the people.

than they will kill them.
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The military brass knows.

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The military brass knows.

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I would like to know the results of this survey.
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Re: Would US troops kill US citizens?
We had some great guys in my unit and this was discussed most said no untill we were fired on 90,s .I hope it remains the same now. oathtaker now
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All that answer would lead to is the second question, If people dont fire are they going to carry out unlawfull orders that cause them to break their Oath ???
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Re: Would US troops kill US citizens?
I'd like to say that most wouldn't do it and would leave, but there would definitely be some poor souls that would do it. Especially since they would likely be offering incentives like extra money, power, and the ability to own a gun in a disarmed society. I feel bad for the poor souls that choose to fight with them though. 3 million soldiers (even less depending on how many leave) vs. the entire American public would be a bloodbath, and the public outnumbers the military 10-1.

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