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Are women allowed to preach and teach in the church? Or are we to be silent?

 
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Well, I've gone back and read the first page and, I'm sorry, there is a lot there that I disagree with. Not much is changed in my mind.

I disagree with you when you say woman can preach.

There's a lot I disagree with on your first page.

And I'm sorry but if this thread continues on in support of women preachers, it's not really the thread for me.
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well i think you should go on. because women CAN preach, but it is the method and under authority that is important to realize.

you might learn a new thing here.
praise God.
 Quoting: Salt


I am a woman in THIS life, and I am ordained by Michael of Nebadon to preach. And I sure do here on GLP, huh Salt. hf

Sex doesn't have anything to do with it, it is man that has been and still is mistaken about the role of women.
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That doesn't mean a hill of beans, so a man ordained you, so what. Let God be true and every man a liar
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AC ...17's new name is hereby "Mr. LOL"... a joker!
Have I now become your enemy by telling you the truth? (Gal. 4:16)
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It is in sinful women's nature to try and rule over men/lead men. Many of them willfully reject God's natural order.

Unto the woman he said, I will greatly multiply thy sorrow and thy conception; in sorrow thou shalt bring forth children; and thy desire shall be to thy husband, and he shall rule over thee. Genesis 3:16

As for my people, children are their oppressors, and women rule over them. O my people, they who lead you cause you to err, and destroy the way of your paths. Isaiah 3:12
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 14650717


You're ignoring everything we say and just repeating your assertions. That's not how a discussion works.

BTW, that verse from Isaiah has been proven to be a deliberate change of the very Word of God. It really reads "Tax collectors have ruled over you, and exactors have oppressed you". But since you ignore everything you don't like, I've wasted my time.
 Quoting: Keep2theCode


No I am not. I replied to your other posts up above. lol you are so dishonest and twist everything around to suit your views. Once again, please provide evidence for your unsubstantiated claims. I am not buying it. It clearly says "and women rule over them."
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I do like the King Jame bible. thank you! I didn't cite the verse because I was looking for it and that's not the bible verse I meant. I meant I Thess. 5:12.
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You might be interested to know that the word "stand before", proistemi, is the same word used for Phoebe who "stood before" other believers, including Paul. So IF this is a term of rule and authority, it applies also to women. If not, then again we have no "lording over".
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Please provide evidence for all these unsubstantiated claims.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 14650717


It's called Greek, do you read it? Go and look up the Greek text if you think my claims are unsubstantiated.
 Quoting: Keep2theCode


Nope, you are the one stating it so the burden is on you to back up your claims. Otherwise, they cannot be trusted. I am waiting. LOL
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You might be interested to know that the word "stand before", proistemi, is the same word used for Phoebe who "stood before" other believers, including Paul. So IF this is a term of rule and authority, it applies also to women. If not, then again we have no "lording over".
 Quoting: Keep2theCode


Please provide evidence for all these unsubstantiated claims.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 14650717


It's called Greek, do you read it? Go and look up the Greek text if you think my claims are unsubstantiated.
 Quoting: Keep2theCode


Nope, you are the one stating it so the burden is on you to back up your claims. Otherwise, they cannot be trusted. I am waiting. LOL
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Keep2theCode wins this one.
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The priesthood is male, who came up with women ministers?

Read history, the Old Testament too.

Catechism of the Catholic Church

II. THE SACRAMENT OF HOLY ORDERS IN THE ECONOMY OF SALVATION

The priesthood of the Old Covenant

1539 The chosen people was constituted by God as "a kingdom of priests and a holy nation."6 But within the people of Israel, God chose one of the twelve tribes, that of Levi, and set it apart for liturgical service; God himself is its inheritance.7 A special rite consecrated the beginnings of the priesthood of the Old Covenant. The priests are "appointed to act on behalf of men in relation to God, to offer gifts and sacrifices for sins."8

1540 Instituted to proclaim the Word of God and to restore communion with God by sacrifices and prayer,9 this priesthood nevertheless remains powerless to bring about salvation, needing to repeat its sacrifices ceaselessly and being unable to achieve a definitive sanctification, which only the sacrifice of Christ would accomplish.10

1541 The liturgy of the Church, however, sees in the priesthood of Aaron and the service of the Levites, as in the institution of the seventy elders,11 a prefiguring of the ordained ministry of the New Covenant. Thus in the Latin Rite the Church prays in the consecratory preface of the ordination of bishops:


God the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, . . .
by your gracious word
you have established the plan of your Church.
From the beginning,
you chose the descendants of Abraham to be your holy nation.
You established rulers and priests
and did not leave your sanctuary without ministers to serve you. . . .12
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Please provide evidence for all these unsubstantiated claims.
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It's called Greek, do you read it? Go and look up the Greek text if you think my claims are unsubstantiated.
 Quoting: Keep2theCode


Nope, you are the one stating it so the burden is on you to back up your claims. Otherwise, they cannot be trusted. I am waiting. LOL
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 14650717


Keep2theCode wins this one.
 Quoting: Life and Love


FAIL. Biased BS. Zero evidence of claims. I win. LOL
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It's called Greek, do you read it? Go and look up the Greek text if you think my claims are unsubstantiated.
 Quoting: Keep2theCode


Nope, you are the one stating it so the burden is on you to back up your claims. Otherwise, they cannot be trusted. I am waiting. LOL
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 14650717


Keep2theCode wins this one.
 Quoting: Life and Love


FAIL. Biased BS. Zero evidence of claims. I win. LOL
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 14650717


Only in your own mind. LOL
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The Devil loves the sin of feminism and it seems rife on this thread. Puke.
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The Devil loves the sin of feminism and it seems rife on this thread. Puke.
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(How compassionate of you.)
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Nope, you are the one stating it so the burden is on you to back up your claims. Otherwise, they cannot be trusted. I am waiting. LOL
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 14650717


Keep2theCode wins this one.
 Quoting: Life and Love


FAIL. Biased BS. Zero evidence of claims. I win. LOL
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 14650717


Only in your own mind. LOL
 Quoting: Life and Love


Not really. I challenged her and she backed down and was not able to back up her claims probably because she made them up to suit her agenda. LOL
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you bet they are!
don't let anyone tell you that women are to be silent.
God used many powerful women to teach, preach, judge, prophesy, etc.

God called and used women preachers in the Old Testament.

a. DEBORAH -
b. MIRIAM -
c. HULDAH -
d. MAHER-SHALAL-HASH-BAZ'S MOTHER -
8. God called and used women preachers in the New Testament.

b. Anna - c. Phillip had 4 daughters who prophesied. Acts 21:9.

d. Priscilla e.
Phebe -


50% rule observed
[link to circleofchristianwomen.com]
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Well you are none of the women named above, and God even made Bilaam's ass spealk, but go ahead and say whatever you want, you can't out bullshit-speak your pastor.
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The Devil loves the sin of feminism and it seems rife on this thread. Puke.
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(How compassionate of you.)
 Quoting: Life and Love


(How judgmental of you.) LOL
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Keep2theCode wins this one.
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FAIL. Biased BS. Zero evidence of claims. I win. LOL
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 14650717


Only in your own mind. LOL
 Quoting: Life and Love


Not really. I challenged her and she backed down and was not able to back up her claims probably because she made them up to suit her agenda. LOL
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Don't flatter yourself. Some people don't care to carry on conversations with the willfully ignorant.
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The Devil loves the sin of feminism and it seems rife on this thread. Puke.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 14650717


(How compassionate of you.)
 Quoting: Life and Love


(How judgmental of you.) LOL
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In what way?
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FAIL. Biased BS. Zero evidence of claims. I win. LOL
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Only in your own mind. LOL
 Quoting: Life and Love


Not really. I challenged her and she backed down and was not able to back up her claims probably because she made them up to suit her agenda. LOL
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 14650717


Don't flatter yourself. Some people don't care to carry on conversations with the willfully ignorant.
 Quoting: Life and Love


Wow, how compassionate. HYPOCRITE! LOL
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The Devil loves the sin of feminism and it seems rife on this thread. Puke.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 14650717


(How compassionate of you.)
 Quoting: Life and Love


(How judgmental of you.) LOL
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 14650717


In what way?
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You judged me for not being compassionate. Herp. LOL
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Only in your own mind. LOL
 Quoting: Life and Love


Not really. I challenged her and she backed down and was not able to back up her claims probably because she made them up to suit her agenda. LOL
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 14650717


Don't flatter yourself. Some people don't care to carry on conversations with the willfully ignorant.
 Quoting: Life and Love


Wow, how compassionate. HYPOCRITE! LOL
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You have one chance to continue this conversation. Please describe how your male-led church works.
We become like that to which we are devoted. Choose wisely.
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Not really. I challenged her and she backed down and was not able to back up her claims probably because she made them up to suit her agenda. LOL
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 14650717


Don't flatter yourself. Some people don't care to carry on conversations with the willfully ignorant.
 Quoting: Life and Love


Wow, how compassionate. HYPOCRITE! LOL


You have one chance to continue this conversation. Please describe how your male-led church works.


I don't throw my pearls to swine. LOL
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I don't throw my pearls to swine. LOL
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You poor creature. I'm not interested in your pearls. Neither should you be.
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The priesthood is male, who came up with women ministers?

Read history, the Old Testament too.

Catechism of the Catholic Church

II. THE SACRAMENT OF HOLY ORDERS IN THE ECONOMY OF SALVATION

The priesthood of the Old Covenant

1539 The chosen people was constituted by God as "a kingdom of priests and a holy nation."6 But within the people of Israel, God chose one of the twelve tribes, that of Levi, and set it apart for liturgical service; God himself is its inheritance.7 A special rite consecrated the beginnings of the priesthood of the Old Covenant. The priests are "appointed to act on behalf of men in relation to God, to offer gifts and sacrifices for sins."8

1540 Instituted to proclaim the Word of God and to restore communion with God by sacrifices and prayer,9 this priesthood nevertheless remains powerless to bring about salvation, needing to repeat its sacrifices ceaselessly and being unable to achieve a definitive sanctification, which only the sacrifice of Christ would accomplish.10

1541 The liturgy of the Church, however, sees in the priesthood of Aaron and the service of the Levites, as in the institution of the seventy elders,11 a prefiguring of the ordained ministry of the New Covenant. Thus in the Latin Rite the Church prays in the consecratory preface of the ordination of bishops:


God the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, . . .
by your gracious word
you have established the plan of your Church.
From the beginning,
you chose the descendants of Abraham to be your holy nation.
You established rulers and priests
and did not leave your sanctuary without ministers to serve you. . . .12
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 20541213


You can isolate one verse in the Gospel or Old Testament
and proclaim it's meaning ignoring other verses, you
can ignore history but you are shooting yourself in the
foot.

Jesus established a male ministerial priesthood in the New Covenant. Women can help Our Lord in other ways.

Personally, I couldn't ignore the division in Protestantism. You are justified...all according to your
personal view of God's Revelation. Imagine!!!
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It is in sinful women's nature to try and rule over men/lead men. Many of them willfully reject God's natural order.

Unto the woman he said, I will greatly multiply thy sorrow and thy conception; in sorrow thou shalt bring forth children; and thy desire shall be to thy husband, and he shall rule over thee. Genesis 3:16

As for my people, children are their oppressors, and women rule over them. O my people, they who lead you cause you to err, and destroy the way of your paths. Isaiah 3:12
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 14650717


You're ignoring everything we say and just repeating your assertions. That's not how a discussion works.

BTW, that verse from Isaiah has been proven to be a deliberate change of the very Word of God. It really reads "Tax collectors have ruled over you, and exactors have oppressed you". But since you ignore everything you don't like, I've wasted my time.
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No I am not. I replied to your other posts up above. lol you are so dishonest and twist everything around to suit your views. Once again, please provide evidence for your unsubstantiated claims. I am not buying it. It clearly says "and women rule over them."
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Actually it clearly says v'nashim mashlo bo ami I would translate it "and women govern my nation." My Stone editon OT translation says "My nation, their oppressors are mockers and women dominate them.
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I don't throw my pearls to swine. LOL
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You poor creature. I'm not interested in your pearls. Neither should you be.
 Quoting: Life and Love


lol you sound mad. You mad? LOL

Stop wasting my time piggy. LMAO ;)
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I don't throw my pearls to swine. LOL
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You poor creature. I'm not interested in your pearls. Neither should you be.
 Quoting: Life and Love


L and L,

Notice, you say...your pearls. Run from Protestantism.

When God Himself shows you the most Holy Eucharist is true,
do not pridefully say no.

Figure it out, the anti-Christ is prophesied, he is going
to try and abolish the most Holy Eucharist. Now why would
he do that if the Real Presence isn't true?

Remember, remember Life and Love.


Mary
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It is in sinful women's nature to try and rule over men/lead men. Many of them willfully reject God's natural order.

Unto the woman he said, I will greatly multiply thy sorrow and thy conception; in sorrow thou shalt bring forth children; and thy desire shall be to thy husband, and he shall rule over thee. Genesis 3:16

As for my people, children are their oppressors, and women rule over them. O my people, they who lead you cause you to err, and destroy the way of your paths. Isaiah 3:12
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 14650717


You're ignoring everything we say and just repeating your assertions. That's not how a discussion works.

BTW, that verse from Isaiah has been proven to be a deliberate change of the very Word of God. It really reads "Tax collectors have ruled over you, and exactors have oppressed you". But since you ignore everything you don't like, I've wasted my time.
 Quoting: Keep2theCode


No I am not. I replied to your other posts up above. lol you are so dishonest and twist everything around to suit your views. Once again, please provide evidence for your unsubstantiated claims. I am not buying it. It clearly says "and women rule over them."
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 14650717


Actually it clearly says v'nashim mashlo bo ami I would translate it "and women govern my nation." My Stone editon OT translation says "My nation, their oppressors are mockers and women dominate them.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 21903530


Am I to take your word for it? Please link something to confirm it. And I rather use the KJV and not whatever micky mouse version that suits my agenda better.
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I don't throw my pearls to swine. LOL
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You poor creature. I'm not interested in your pearls. Neither should you be.
 Quoting: Life and Love


lol you sound mad. You mad? LOL

Stop wasting my time piggy. LMAO ;)
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You really impress me!
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You're ignoring everything we say and just repeating your assertions. That's not how a discussion works.

BTW, that verse from Isaiah has been proven to be a deliberate change of the very Word of God. It really reads "Tax collectors have ruled over you, and exactors have oppressed you". But since you ignore everything you don't like, I've wasted my time.
 Quoting: Keep2theCode


No I am not. I replied to your other posts up above. lol you are so dishonest and twist everything around to suit your views. Once again, please provide evidence for your unsubstantiated claims. I am not buying it. It clearly says "and women rule over them."
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 14650717


Actually it clearly says v'nashim mashlo bo ami I would translate it "and women govern my nation." My Stone editon OT translation says "My nation, their oppressors are mockers and women dominate them.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 21903530


Am I to take your word for it? Please link something to confirm it. And I rather use the KJV and not whatever micky mouse version that suits my agenda better.
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Anyway, govern or rule, same bloody thing. Nice try tho. LOL
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who cares? might as well be preaching in a looney bin.
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I don't throw my pearls to swine. LOL
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You poor creature. I'm not interested in your pearls. Neither should you be.
 Quoting: Life and Love


lol you sound mad. You mad? LOL

Stop wasting my time piggy. LMAO ;)
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You really impress me!
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Why thank you! :)
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I don't throw my pearls to swine. LOL
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You poor creature. I'm not interested in your pearls. Neither should you be.
 Quoting: Life and Love


L and L,

Notice, you say...your pearls. Run from Protestantism.

When God Himself shows you the most Holy Eucharist is true,
do not pridefully say no.

Figure it out, the anti-Christ is prophesied, he is going
to try and abolish the most Holy Eucharist. Now why would
he do that if the Real Presence isn't true?

Remember, remember Life and Love.


Mary
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Hi Mary,

I haven't heard from you in awhile. I hope you've been well.

Interesting that you as a woman want to "teach" on a thread where most of the posters say women shouldn't do that. (I'm not one of them.)

Blessings,
L&L
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