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Are women allowed to preach and teach in the church? Or are we to be silent?

 
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Does the truth hurt? LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL ;)

YOU CAN'T HANDLE THE TRUTH!!!
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The Devil loves the sin of feminism and it seems rife on this thread. Puke.
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I use to argue with Salt but talking to her, she turns out
to be a very loving person.

She's just off on women ministers. Now how can women preach
stand in the place of Christ? They can't.

Feminism is the ruin of the family. God loves both genders
equally.
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You poor creature. I'm not interested in your pearls. Neither should you be.
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lol you sound mad. You mad? LOL

Stop wasting my time piggy. LMAO ;)
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You really impress me!
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Why thank you! :)
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No problem, anytime!
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The Devil loves the sin of feminism and it seems rife on this thread. Puke.
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I use to argue with Salt but talking to her, she turns out
to be a very loving person.

She's just off on women ministers. Now how can women preach
stand in the place of Christ? They can't.

Feminism is the ruin of the family. God loves both genders
equally.
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Well, she happens to be wrong
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The Devil loves the sin of feminism and it seems rife on this thread. Puke.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 14650717


I use to argue with Salt but talking to her, she turns out
to be a very loving person.

She's just off on women ministers. Now how can women preach
stand in the place of Christ? They can't.

Feminism is the ruin of the family. God loves both genders
equally.
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Well, she happens to be wrong
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Not really. I challenged her and she backed down and was not able to back up her claims probably because she made them up to suit her agenda. LOL
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Oh please... what an ego... especially for an anonymous COWARD.

How, pray tell, can I show you evidence YOU CANNOT READ?
Have I now become your enemy by telling you the truth? (Gal. 4:16)
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Does the truth hurt? LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL ;)

YOU CAN'T HANDLE THE TRUTH!!!
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THIS is the "winner"? THIS is even acting like a Christian??

Wow.
Have I now become your enemy by telling you the truth? (Gal. 4:16)
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I don't throw my pearls to swine. LOL
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You poor creature. I'm not interested in your pearls. Neither should you be.
 Quoting: Life and Love


L and L,

Notice, you say...your pearls. Run from Protestantism.

When God Himself shows you the most Holy Eucharist is true,
do not pridefully say no.

Figure it out, the anti-Christ is prophesied, he is going
to try and abolish the most Holy Eucharist. Now why would
he do that if the Real Presence isn't true?

Remember, remember Life and Love.


Mary
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Hi Mary,

I haven't heard from you in awhile. I hope you've been well.

Interesting that you as a woman want to "teach" on a thread where most of the posters say women shouldn't do that. (I'm not one of them.)

Blessings,
L&L
 Quoting: Life and Love


Well, mostly imploring Once4All to come home to the faith.
He thinks you can repost Jesus is King of Kings and
He is returning soon and that's it. wakeup No, there
is much more to realize and accept. The Great Tribulation
is near at hand.

I am fine. I am not teaching, Christians should know these
basics already. Evangelizing is the job of everyone, men
and women.

These are the end times, you can't remain quiet. You won't
reply about the Eucharist but my opinion, you will convert
at the Great Warning L & L.

God bless you,


p.s. Go on with your arguing, the fruit of Protestantism,
you get to decide. Why isn't that the biggest clue?
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Does the truth hurt? LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL ;)

YOU CAN'T HANDLE THE TRUTH!!!
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THIS is the "winner"? THIS is even acting like a Christian??

Wow.
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I love that scene between Jack and Tom. Pray for their
conversion....reversion in Tom's case.
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To the one who believes all the disciples were jews, they were NOT. It is apparent you also believe Israelites are all jews, they are NOT. The only jews were of the tribe of Judah, period. Ask the Holy Spirit for some discernment and go read Genesis over until you understand.
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Not really. I challenged her and she backed down and was not able to back up her claims probably because she made them up to suit her agenda. LOL
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Oh please... what an ego... especially for an anonymous COWARD.

How, pray tell, can I show you evidence YOU CANNOT READ?
 Quoting: Keep2theCode


Google translate and if your unsubstantiated claims are true, there will be others who have websites proving their points like there usually is for other theory's. But you cannot because you are a liar and made it up along with the rest of your BS claims. LOL
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Does the truth hurt? LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL ;)

YOU CAN'T HANDLE THE TRUTH!!!
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THIS is the "winner"? THIS is even acting like a Christian??

Wow.
 Quoting: Keep2theCode


Hard luck. LOL
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please tell me you live in colorado.
we would be fast friends.
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Sorry... Ohio. But the times being what they are, we'll probably meet soon anyway!

Doesn't the bible say to respect those who have authority over you?

You guys can't throw everything in the bible out, you know
 Quoting: Salt

The chapter and verse you neglected to cite is in the last chapter of Hebrews, and in both instances the Greek word for "rule" is NOT there. The meaning is "to defer, to follow the example", and it is to "those who brought you the word; imitate their ways". You can thank the KJV for turning mentoring into kingly lording over.

But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman is the man; and the head of Christ is God. 1 Corinthians 11:3 LOL
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Per Paul's own illustration in two other scriptures, the head/body metaphor is one of unity from the common belief at the time that the body grew out of the head. It did NOT mean "boss"; that is a much later meaning that no first century Greek would have included. And if you think Paul is giving a chain of command, then why the mixed up sequence? Now look at the end of that passage and you'll see Paul dismiss any such thoughts by saying "But now every man comes from woman, but all come from God".

This isn't a joke, mr. LOL.
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I am aware of that but that is not what Paul is talking about here. It is the natural order of God. Does it offend you? LOL
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for some reason i am misquoted here.
please fix it. i never said what you claim i said above.
thanks.
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Not really. I challenged her and she backed down and was not able to back up her claims probably because she made them up to suit her agenda. LOL
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Oh please... what an ego... especially for an anonymous COWARD.

How, pray tell, can I show you evidence YOU CANNOT READ?
 Quoting: Keep2theCode


Google translate and if your unsubstantiated claims are true, there will be others who have websites proving their points like there usually is for other theory's. But you cannot because you are a liar and made it up along with the rest of your BS claims. LOL
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Google translate hopelessly mangles KOINE GREEK, the Greek of the NT. You just want to weasel out of having to actually know what you're talking about. People who don't know the language can't claim victory by waving a Strong's in the air. Learn it and then tell me what I don't know.

And calling me a liar makes you a liar and slanderer. We'll settle this on Judgment Day. No more attention for you till then, and you can dance on my grave.
Have I now become your enemy by telling you the truth? (Gal. 4:16)
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BTW, that verse from Isaiah has been proven to be a deliberate change of the very Word of God. It really reads "Tax collectors have ruled over you, and exactors have oppressed you". But since you ignore everything you don't like, I've wasted my time.

Where exactly was it proven? If it was proven, where is your source?

You shall not lie. Oops. LOL
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Not really. I challenged her and she backed down and was not able to back up her claims probably because she made them up to suit her agenda. LOL
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Oh please... what an ego... especially for an anonymous COWARD.

How, pray tell, can I show you evidence YOU CANNOT READ?
 Quoting: Keep2theCode


Google translate and if your unsubstantiated claims are true, there will be others who have websites proving their points like there usually is for other theory's. But you cannot because you are a liar and made it up along with the rest of your BS claims. LOL
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Google translate hopelessly mangles KOINE GREEK, the Greek of the NT. You just want to weasel out of having to actually know what you're talking about. People who don't know the language can't claim victory by waving a Strong's in the air. Learn it and then tell me what I don't know.

And calling me a liar makes you a liar and slanderer. We'll settle this on Judgment Day. No more attention for you till then, and you can dance on my grave.
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Ahahahahah, you accuse me of trying to wiggle out of it. I caught you in your lies and you can't dispute me. Be sure your sins will find you out. ;) Excuses, excuses, excuses. You can also add slander and hypocrisy to that list. Let's settle it now. I won't let you wiggle out of it like you usually like to do. LOL
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You have quite the Ego yourself. You really like to think of yourself as above others, don't you? You think you are some big shot scholar but you are so deep in false doctrine that it is comical. The blind leading the blind is what it is. LOL
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You have quite the Ego yourself. You really like to think of yourself as above others, don't you? You think you are some big shot scholar but you are so deep in false doctrine that it is comical. The blind leading the blind is what it is. LOL
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hey man. you are out of control. be nice or the ban hammer is coming down.
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You have quite the Ego yourself. You really like to think of yourself as above others, don't you? You think you are some big shot scholar but you are so deep in false doctrine that it is comical. The blind leading the blind is what it is. LOL
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hey man. you are out of control. be nice or the ban hammer is coming down.
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That was referring to Keep2thecode. Just giving her a taste of her own medicine. ;) It is quite amusing. LOL
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You have quite the Ego yourself. You really like to think of yourself as above others, don't you? You think you are some big shot scholar but you are so deep in false doctrine that it is comical. The blind leading the blind is what it is. LOL
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hey man. you are out of control. be nice or the ban hammer is coming down.
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That was referring to Keep2thecode. Just giving her a taste of her own medicine. ;) It is quite amusing. LOL
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your rudeness to ANY poster will not be tolerated.
i know who it was directed to
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You have quite the Ego yourself. You really like to think of yourself as above others, don't you? You think you are some big shot scholar but you are so deep in false doctrine that it is comical. The blind leading the blind is what it is. LOL
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hey man. you are out of control. be nice or the ban hammer is coming down.
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That was referring to Keep2thecode. Just giving her a taste of her own medicine. ;) It is quite amusing. LOL
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your rudeness to ANY poster will not be tolerated.
i know who it was directed to
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Rudeness? Like your rudeness earlier to that AC?
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hey man. you are out of control. be nice or the ban hammer is coming down.
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That was referring to Keep2thecode. Just giving her a taste of her own medicine. ;) It is quite amusing. LOL
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your rudeness to ANY poster will not be tolerated.
i know who it was directed to
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Rudeness? Like your rudeness earlier to that AC?
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that's it. you are out.

:bane hammer:

that AC called me, the three churches i'm involved in, and the ministry FALSE. she was wrong. we have made peace.
you are here to cause strife.
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that's it. you are out.

:bane hammer:

that AC called me, the three churches i'm involved in, and the ministry FALSE. she was wrong. we have made peace.
you are here to cause strife.
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Thank you!

Maybe now I can post some links for those who would like to hear more about translation issues; I'll be back with those and add them to this comment.

On Isaiah 3:12 [link to godswordtowomen.wordpress.com]

On Phoebe (Rom. 16:1)
According to B. J. Brooten in "Women Leaders in Ancient Synagogues", the word prostatis here in regard to Phoebe means "presiding officer". See also M. Boucher, "Women and Priestly Ministry: The NT Evidence". According also to Dr. A. Nyland, Koine and classical Greek scholar, "The prostatis referred to a person of the front rank, the chief of a body of people, someone who protects them".

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that's it. you are out.

:bane hammer:

that AC called me, the three churches i'm involved in, and the ministry FALSE. she was wrong. we have made peace.
you are here to cause strife.
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Thank you!

Maybe now I can post some links for those who would like to hear more about translation issues; I'll be back with those and add them to this comment.
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hf
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That was referring to Keep2thecode. Just giving her a taste of her own medicine. ;) It is quite amusing. LOL
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your rudeness to ANY poster will not be tolerated.
i know who it was directed to
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Rudeness? Like your rudeness earlier to that AC?
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that's it. you are out.

:bane hammer:

that AC called me, the three churches i'm involved in, and the ministry FALSE. she was wrong. we have made peace.
you are here to cause strife.
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Hey, forgiven, and I was not wrong, sorry. I only aplolized for the strife that was going on between us.
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your rudeness to ANY poster will not be tolerated.
i know who it was directed to
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Rudeness? Like your rudeness earlier to that AC?
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that's it. you are out.

:bane hammer:

that AC called me, the three churches i'm involved in, and the ministry FALSE. she was wrong. we have made peace.
you are here to cause strife.
 Quoting: Salt


Hey, forgiven, and I was not wrong, sorry. I only aplolized for the strife that was going on between us.
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well, you are entitled to your judgment. it's still wrong. but, you can think whatever you want.

i would be very careful which of God's people you call false.
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Rudeness? Like your rudeness earlier to that AC?
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that's it. you are out.

:bane hammer:

that AC called me, the three churches i'm involved in, and the ministry FALSE. she was wrong. we have made peace.
you are here to cause strife.
 Quoting: Salt


Hey, forgiven, and I was not wrong, sorry. I only aplolized for the strife that was going on between us.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 20586262


well, you are entitled to your judgment. it's still wrong. but, you can think whatever you want.

i would be very careful which of God's people you call false.
 Quoting: Salt


It's called I functioned in the gift of discerning of spirits. Do you know what that gift does? You can see demons with it. I don't call SEEING, actually seeing the demons, judgment. It's called a gift of the Holy Spirit. God can show people things you know.
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that's it. you are out.

:bane hammer:

that AC called me, the three churches i'm involved in, and the ministry FALSE. she was wrong. we have made peace.
you are here to cause strife.
 Quoting: Salt


Hey, forgiven, and I was not wrong, sorry. I only aplolized for the strife that was going on between us.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 20586262


well, you are entitled to your judgment. it's still wrong. but, you can think whatever you want.

i would be very careful which of God's people you call false.
 Quoting: Salt


It's called I functioned in the gift of discerning of spirits. Do you know what that gift does? You can see demons with it. I don't call SEEING, actually seeing the demons, judgment. It's called a gift of the Holy Spirit. God can show people things you know.
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wow, ok.

well, my spiritual gift (one of three) is discernment. it operates differently for me, i guess.

visibly seeing demons, well, i can't back that up with scripture. maybe you can enlighten me.

DISCERNMENT

In I Corinthians 12:10 it says, “and to another distinguishing between spirits” (NIV) Discernment means to be able to distinguish between right and wrong, good and evil. It is having a logical, judicial ability to think through issues. It is the ability to “discern” whether a saying, teaching, doctrine, written word, or event is good or evil; true or false; and if the source, meaning or intentions are of God, the person or Satanic deception. There is an ability to “read between the lines” and get to the truth of an issue. The“gut” tells them when something doesn’t seem to be right. There is an urgency to pray and ask for wisdom.

Benefits

Spiritual battle, whether in a small group or the church, is a serious concern and discernment is a valuable asset to have. This gift can help guide the church both in more ordinary decisions or deeper spiritual issues.

Pitfalls

There is a temptation to always be “right”; not admit when there has been a mistake. Pride could prevent a humble spirit in the use of the gift. It could be tempting to misuse the trust that someone places in your judgment and use the gift for personal gain or to hurt someone. Finally, it is easy to trust in personal judgment and not consult God, thus being deceived yourself.

Ministry Opportunities

This gift could be used in helping; settle disputes; counseling; spiritual warfare; or assisting church leadership with decisions. This gift can be used in counseling with addictions and low self esteem where deception is sometimes used as a coping mechanism.

[link to spiritualgifts.wordpress.com]
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here is another good study on the gift of discernment

[link to www.acts17-11.com]
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Hey, forgiven, and I was not wrong, sorry. I only aplolized for the strife that was going on between us.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 20586262


well, you are entitled to your judgment. it's still wrong. but, you can think whatever you want.

i would be very careful which of God's people you call false.
 Quoting: Salt


It's called I functioned in the gift of discerning of spirits. Do you know what that gift does? You can see demons with it. I don't call SEEING, actually seeing the demons, judgment. It's called a gift of the Holy Spirit. God can show people things you know.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 20586262


wow, ok.

well, my spiritual gift (one of three) is discernment. it operates differently for me, i guess.

visibly seeing demons, well, i can't back that up with scripture. maybe you can enlighten me.

DISCERNMENT

In I Corinthians 12:10 it says, “and to another distinguishing between spirits” (NIV) Discernment means to be able to distinguish between right and wrong, good and evil. It is having a logical, judicial ability to think through issues. It is the ability to “discern” whether a saying, teaching, doctrine, written word, or event is good or evil; true or false; and if the source, meaning or intentions are of God, the person or Satanic deception. There is an ability to “read between the lines” and get to the truth of an issue. The“gut” tells them when something doesn’t seem to be right. There is an urgency to pray and ask for wisdom.

Benefits

Spiritual battle, whether in a small group or the church, is a serious concern and discernment is a valuable asset to have. This gift can help guide the church both in more ordinary decisions or deeper spiritual issues.

Pitfalls

There is a temptation to always be “right”; not admit when there has been a mistake. Pride could prevent a humble spirit in the use of the gift. It could be tempting to misuse the trust that someone places in your judgment and use the gift for personal gain or to hurt someone. Finally, it is easy to trust in personal judgment and not consult God, thus being deceived yourself.

Ministry Opportunities

This gift could be used in helping; settle disputes; counseling; spiritual warfare; or assisting church leadership with decisions. This gift can be used in counseling with addictions and low self esteem where deception is sometimes used as a coping mechanism.

[link to spiritualgifts.wordpress.com]
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I first functioned in the gift of discerning of spirits during my husband's deliverance about 29 years ago. 3 days after that I went to my church and discerned every person sitting in church was demon possessed, literally they had demons in them, all of them. Even the pastor, even the pastor that sent the night with me during my husband's deliverance. He helped me greatly with the deliverance and God showed me he had 2 demons in him.

I have 2 gifts of the Holy Spirit.

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