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Are women allowed to preach and teach in the church? Or are we to be silent?

 
Keep2theCode

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wow, ok.

well, my spiritual gift (one of three) is discernment. it operates differently for me, i guess.
 Quoting: Salt


I've never heard of anyone defining as "seeing demons" either. That's a new one.

And of course, when John says "test the spirits", it means exactly that: test. We test them by comparing them to the Word of God, and to how they view Jesus.
Have I now become your enemy by telling you the truth? (Gal. 4:16)
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well, you are entitled to your judgment. it's still wrong. but, you can think whatever you want.

i would be very careful which of God's people you call false.
 Quoting: Salt


It's called I functioned in the gift of discerning of spirits. Do you know what that gift does? You can see demons with it. I don't call SEEING, actually seeing the demons, judgment. It's called a gift of the Holy Spirit. God can show people things you know.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 20586262


wow, ok.

well, my spiritual gift (one of three) is discernment. it operates differently for me, i guess.

visibly seeing demons, well, i can't back that up with scripture. maybe you can enlighten me.

DISCERNMENT

In I Corinthians 12:10 it says, “and to another distinguishing between spirits” (NIV) Discernment means to be able to distinguish between right and wrong, good and evil. It is having a logical, judicial ability to think through issues. It is the ability to “discern” whether a saying, teaching, doctrine, written word, or event is good or evil; true or false; and if the source, meaning or intentions are of God, the person or Satanic deception. There is an ability to “read between the lines” and get to the truth of an issue. The“gut” tells them when something doesn’t seem to be right. There is an urgency to pray and ask for wisdom.

Benefits

Spiritual battle, whether in a small group or the church, is a serious concern and discernment is a valuable asset to have. This gift can help guide the church both in more ordinary decisions or deeper spiritual issues.

Pitfalls

There is a temptation to always be “right”; not admit when there has been a mistake. Pride could prevent a humble spirit in the use of the gift. It could be tempting to misuse the trust that someone places in your judgment and use the gift for personal gain or to hurt someone. Finally, it is easy to trust in personal judgment and not consult God, thus being deceived yourself.

Ministry Opportunities

This gift could be used in helping; settle disputes; counseling; spiritual warfare; or assisting church leadership with decisions. This gift can be used in counseling with addictions and low self esteem where deception is sometimes used as a coping mechanism.

[link to spiritualgifts.wordpress.com]
 Quoting: Salt


I first functioned in the gift of discerning of spirits during my husband's deliverance about 29 years ago. 3 days after that I went to my church and discerned every person sitting in church was demon possessed, literally they had demons in them, all of them. Even the pastor, even the pastor that sent the night with me during my husband's deliverance. He helped me greatly with the deliverance and God showed me he had 2 demons in him.

I have 2 gifts of the Holy Spirit.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 20586262


beloved of God, i am discerning right now that you are being tricked by devils.

let me help. please.

i discern that there is a much deeper wound here that is at play.
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wow, ok.

well, my spiritual gift (one of three) is discernment. it operates differently for me, i guess.
 Quoting: Salt


I've never heard of anyone defining as "seeing demons" either. That's a new one.

And of course, when John says "test the spirits", it means exactly that: test. We test them by comparing them to the Word of God, and to how they view Jesus.
 Quoting: Keep2theCode


there isn't one.
it doesn't exist.
Life and Love

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well, you are entitled to your judgment. it's still wrong. but, you can think whatever you want.

i would be very careful which of God's people you call false.
 Quoting: Salt


It's called I functioned in the gift of discerning of spirits. Do you know what that gift does? You can see demons with it. I don't call SEEING, actually seeing the demons, judgment. It's called a gift of the Holy Spirit. God can show people things you know.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 20586262


wow, ok.

well, my spiritual gift (one of three) is discernment. it operates differently for me, i guess.

visibly seeing demons, well, i can't back that up with scripture. maybe you can enlighten me.

DISCERNMENT

In I Corinthians 12:10 it says, “and to another distinguishing between spirits” (NIV) Discernment means to be able to distinguish between right and wrong, good and evil. It is having a logical, judicial ability to think through issues. It is the ability to “discern” whether a saying, teaching, doctrine, written word, or event is good or evil; true or false; and if the source, meaning or intentions are of God, the person or Satanic deception. There is an ability to “read between the lines” and get to the truth of an issue. The“gut” tells them when something doesn’t seem to be right. There is an urgency to pray and ask for wisdom.

Benefits

Spiritual battle, whether in a small group or the church, is a serious concern and discernment is a valuable asset to have. This gift can help guide the church both in more ordinary decisions or deeper spiritual issues.

Pitfalls

There is a temptation to always be “right”; not admit when there has been a mistake. Pride could prevent a humble spirit in the use of the gift. It could be tempting to misuse the trust that someone places in your judgment and use the gift for personal gain or to hurt someone. Finally, it is easy to trust in personal judgment and not consult God, thus being deceived yourself.

Ministry Opportunities

This gift could be used in helping; settle disputes; counseling; spiritual warfare; or assisting church leadership with decisions. This gift can be used in counseling with addictions and low self esteem where deception is sometimes used as a coping mechanism.

[link to spiritualgifts.wordpress.com]
 Quoting: Salt


I first functioned in the gift of discerning of spirits during my husband's deliverance about 29 years ago. 3 days after that I went to my church and discerned every person sitting in church was demon possessed, literally they had demons in them, all of them. Even the pastor, even the pastor that sent the night with me during my husband's deliverance. He helped me greatly with the deliverance and God showed me he had 2 demons in him.

I have 2 gifts of the Holy Spirit.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 20586262


I was going to ask how you discovered/found your giftedness. I suppose it works differently for me in that I have always found giftedness discerned in community, not privately.
We become like that to which we are devoted. Choose wisely.
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wow, ok.

well, my spiritual gift (one of three) is discernment. it operates differently for me, i guess.
 Quoting: Salt


I've never heard of anyone defining as "seeing demons" either. That's a new one.

And of course, when John says "test the spirits", it means exactly that: test. We test them by comparing them to the Word of God, and to how they view Jesus.
 Quoting: Keep2theCode


there isn't one.
it doesn't exist.
 Quoting: Salt


Oh, I know, I'm just saying that it's a "new one" as in a new twist or invention. I know full well there's no such def. in scripture.
Have I now become your enemy by telling you the truth? (Gal. 4:16)
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Rudeness? Like your rudeness earlier to that AC?
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that's it. you are out.

:bane hammer:

that AC called me, the three churches i'm involved in, and the ministry FALSE. she was wrong. we have made peace.
you are here to cause strife.
 Quoting: Salt


Hey, forgiven, and I was not wrong, sorry. I only aplolized for the strife that was going on between us.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 20586262


well, you are entitled to your judgment. it's still wrong. but, you can think whatever you want.

i would be very careful which of God's people you call false.
 Quoting: Salt


Entitled to your judgement? lol , I think it's called entitled to your opinion just like you are too. And why are you threatening people? Pretty judgmental AND hypocritical.
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It's called I functioned in the gift of discerning of spirits. Do you know what that gift does? You can see demons with it. I don't call SEEING, actually seeing the demons, judgment. It's called a gift of the Holy Spirit. God can show people things you know.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 20586262


wow, ok.

well, my spiritual gift (one of three) is discernment. it operates differently for me, i guess.

visibly seeing demons, well, i can't back that up with scripture. maybe you can enlighten me.

DISCERNMENT

In I Corinthians 12:10 it says, “and to another distinguishing between spirits” (NIV) Discernment means to be able to distinguish between right and wrong, good and evil. It is having a logical, judicial ability to think through issues. It is the ability to “discern” whether a saying, teaching, doctrine, written word, or event is good or evil; true or false; and if the source, meaning or intentions are of God, the person or Satanic deception. There is an ability to “read between the lines” and get to the truth of an issue. The“gut” tells them when something doesn’t seem to be right. There is an urgency to pray and ask for wisdom.

Benefits

Spiritual battle, whether in a small group or the church, is a serious concern and discernment is a valuable asset to have. This gift can help guide the church both in more ordinary decisions or deeper spiritual issues.

Pitfalls

There is a temptation to always be “right”; not admit when there has been a mistake. Pride could prevent a humble spirit in the use of the gift. It could be tempting to misuse the trust that someone places in your judgment and use the gift for personal gain or to hurt someone. Finally, it is easy to trust in personal judgment and not consult God, thus being deceived yourself.

Ministry Opportunities

This gift could be used in helping; settle disputes; counseling; spiritual warfare; or assisting church leadership with decisions. This gift can be used in counseling with addictions and low self esteem where deception is sometimes used as a coping mechanism.

[link to spiritualgifts.wordpress.com]
 Quoting: Salt


I first functioned in the gift of discerning of spirits during my husband's deliverance about 29 years ago. 3 days after that I went to my church and discerned every person sitting in church was demon possessed, literally they had demons in them, all of them. Even the pastor, even the pastor that sent the night with me during my husband's deliverance. He helped me greatly with the deliverance and God showed me he had 2 demons in him.

I have 2 gifts of the Holy Spirit.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 20586262


I was going to ask how you discovered/found your giftedness. I suppose it works differently for me in that I have always found giftedness discerned in community, not privately.
 Quoting: Life and Love


yep. isn't there scripture about two or three witnesses to verify?
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Please, at least consider history. Like the first
Christians didn't know? How does the ministerial priesthood become female in the New Covenant? You all
will object but after the Warning (Rev 6:15-17), you'll
exclaim, why didn't I realize?

Thank you God. applause

+ + +

James 5:14-15

"Is any among you sick? Let him call for the elders of the church, and let them pray over him, anointing him with oil in the name of the Lord; and the prayer of faith will save the sick man, and the Lord will raise him up; and if he has committed sins, he will be forgiven.
"

While Protestants usually have some type of rebuttal for most Scriptures that support Catholic teaching, they generally have little to say about James 5:14-15. Most Protestants tuck this verse away, never to deal with it again. This is because there is no place to put it in their Protestant theology. It doesn't fit anywhere.

The passage sets forth the Catholic sacrament of the anointing of the sick (which used to be called "Extreme Unction.") This sacrament, which is one of seven sacraments Jesus instituted for His Church, is given to people who are in danger of death, suffering with grave illness, or facing serious medical procedures.

The verse demonstrates several things the Church has taught for 2,000 years. First, in order to confect the sacrament, one must call for the elders or priests of the Church. This requires men specially ordained to do the job, and gets into what we mean by Church (don't forget about Peter, the keys, dynastic succession, priestly ordination, the power to bind and loose, and the pinnacle and bulwark of the truth). Secondly, James says the priests' prayer of faith will save the sick man and the Lord will raise him up. This demonstrates that the Church's priests act in the person of Christ ("in persona Christi") in furthering Christ's work of salvation. Yes, Jesus is our only Savior, but He desires us to participate in His eternal priesthood, and He calls certain men to participate in a very intimate way by effecting salvation (through the ministerial priesthood described here). So the priests, through the power of Christ, save the sick man's soul.

Finally, by virtue of the actions and prayers of the priests, the sick man's sins are forgiven (this is what actually saves the man's soul). Protestants have great difficulty with this verse particularly because it demonstrates that priests have the power and authority to forgive sins (which was given to men by Christ; see also Matthew 9:8, John 20:23). Unlike what the Bible provides, no where in its theology or practice does Protestantism provide for priestly forgiveness of sins or the sacrament of the sick.
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that's it. you are out.

:bane hammer:

that AC called me, the three churches i'm involved in, and the ministry FALSE. she was wrong. we have made peace.
you are here to cause strife.
 Quoting: Salt


Hey, forgiven, and I was not wrong, sorry. I only aplolized for the strife that was going on between us.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 20586262


well, you are entitled to your judgment. it's still wrong. but, you can think whatever you want.

i would be very careful which of God's people you call false.
 Quoting: Salt


Entitled to your judgement? lol , I think it's called entitled to your opinion just like you are too. And why are you threatening people? Pretty judgmental AND hypocritical.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 24602556


threatening people? show me where i have done that.
lol...
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The gift of discerning of spirits are given to those who have a true heart for truth. Because you're going to see many things! Many things that the world says is true is not. Jesus functioned in this gift almost constantly. It was how He could tell if people were possessed, tempting him, he could tell much from this gift.

With the gift you can hear demons talk, you can see them in the spirit, or God can just tell you information. Like that pastor has 2 demons and their names are doubt and fear. God will just tell you that information. You will just instantly know it.

My husband and I were in a false church. It was just a regular church, a Mennonite Church, just like any church you see around you today. It didn't believe in the gifts of the Holy Spirit. It's a very long story. I was delivered first, then my husband, then we were shown our church was false. I've spent 30 years trying to find the real church.
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BTW, I did post those links about translation errors to my earlier comment, just a general FYI.
Have I now become your enemy by telling you the truth? (Gal. 4:16)
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The gift of discerning of spirits are given to those who have a true heart for truth. Because you're going to see many things! Many things that the world says is true is not. Jesus functioned in this gift almost constantly. It was how He could tell if people were possessed, tempting him, he could tell much from this gift.

With the gift you can hear demons talk, you can see them in the spirit, or God can just tell you information. Like that pastor has 2 demons and their names are doubt and fear. God will just tell you that information. You will just instantly know it.

My husband and I were in a false church. It was just a regular church, a Mennonite Church, just like any church you see around you today. It didn't believe in the gifts of the Holy Spirit. It's a very long story. I was delivered first, then my husband, then we were shown our church was false. I've spent 30 years trying to find the real church.
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show me in scripture that says the spiritual gift of discernment makes spirit-beings who have no body and are fallen become visible.

i'm waiting.
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Hey, forgiven, and I was not wrong, sorry. I only aplolized for the strife that was going on between us.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 20586262


well, you are entitled to your judgment. it's still wrong. but, you can think whatever you want.

i would be very careful which of God's people you call false.
 Quoting: Salt


Entitled to your judgement? lol , I think it's called entitled to your opinion just like you are too. And why are you threatening people? Pretty judgmental AND hypocritical.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 24602556


threatening people? show me where i have done that.
lol...
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"i would be very careful which of God's people you call false."
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The gift of discerning of spirits are given to those who have a true heart for truth. Because you're going to see many things! Many things that the world says is true is not. Jesus functioned in this gift almost constantly. It was how He could tell if people were possessed, tempting him, he could tell much from this gift.

With the gift you can hear demons talk, you can see them in the spirit, or God can just tell you information. Like that pastor has 2 demons and their names are doubt and fear. God will just tell you that information. You will just instantly know it.

My husband and I were in a false church. It was just a regular church, a Mennonite Church, just like any church you see around you today. It didn't believe in the gifts of the Holy Spirit. It's a very long story. I was delivered first, then my husband, then we were shown our church was false. I've spent 30 years trying to find the real church.
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OK, so where are you attending now? How is that working out for you?

Thanks.
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BTW, I did post those links about translation errors to my earlier comment, just a general FYI.
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Where?
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well, you are entitled to your judgment. it's still wrong. but, you can think whatever you want.

i would be very careful which of God's people you call false.
 Quoting: Salt


Entitled to your judgement? lol , I think it's called entitled to your opinion just like you are too. And why are you threatening people? Pretty judgmental AND hypocritical.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 24602556


threatening people? show me where i have done that.
lol...
 Quoting: Salt


"i would be very careful which of God's people you call false."
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 24602556


there is no threat there.

a threat, by definition would be as such:

if you are not careful of what you claim against God's people, you will die and burn in hell, or i will bash your head in.

THAT is a threat.

there is no threat there.
you are side-stepping the issue put before you above.
please provide those scriptures that say the gift of discernment allows you to visibly see demons
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The gift of discerning of spirits are given to those who have a true heart for truth. Because you're going to see many things! Many things that the world says is true is not. Jesus functioned in this gift almost constantly. It was how He could tell if people were possessed, tempting him, he could tell much from this gift.

With the gift you can hear demons talk, you can see them in the spirit, or God can just tell you information. Like that pastor has 2 demons and their names are doubt and fear. God will just tell you that information. You will just instantly know it.

My husband and I were in a false church. It was just a regular church, a Mennonite Church, just like any church you see around you today. It didn't believe in the gifts of the Holy Spirit. It's a very long story. I was delivered first, then my husband, then we were shown our church was false. I've spent 30 years trying to find the real church.
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show me in scripture that says the spiritual gift of discernment makes spirit-beings who have no body and are fallen become visible.

i'm waiting.
 Quoting: Salt


I've never seen a demon be given a form, they are spirit. Spirits have no form, just like God is Spirit and He has no form. When I say I see them, I can see into the spirit world. They have no phyical form.
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BTW, I did post those links about translation errors to my earlier comment, just a general FYI.
 Quoting: Keep2theCode


Where?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 24602556


[link to www.godlikeproductions.com]
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Entitled to your judgement? lol , I think it's called entitled to your opinion just like you are too. And why are you threatening people? Pretty judgmental AND hypocritical.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 24602556


threatening people? show me where i have done that.
lol...
 Quoting: Salt


"i would be very careful which of God's people you call false."
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 24602556


there is no threat there.

a threat, by definition would be as such:

if you are not careful of what you claim against God's people, you will die and burn in hell, or i will bash your head in.

THAT is a threat.

there is no threat there.
you are side-stepping the issue put before you above.
please provide those scriptures that say the gift of discernment allows you to visibly see demons
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You have me confused with someone else. And please! That is clearly a threat, you are implying that God will punish the person for daring to judge you and your church. Don't be dishonest also.
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BTW, I did post those links about translation errors to my earlier comment, just a general FYI.
 Quoting: Keep2theCode


Where?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 24602556


[link to www.godlikeproductions.com]
 Quoting: Keep2theCode


I have a question (sent you a PM before I realized you couldn't reply)

To what "code" are you keeping?
We become like that to which we are devoted. Choose wisely.
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well, you are entitled to your judgment. it's still wrong. but, you can think whatever you want.

i would be very careful which of God's people you call false.
 Quoting: Salt


It's called I functioned in the gift of discerning of spirits. Do you know what that gift does? You can see demons with it. I don't call SEEING, actually seeing the demons, judgment. It's called a gift of the Holy Spirit. God can show people things you know.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 20586262


wow, ok.

well, my spiritual gift (one of three) is discernment. it operates differently for me, i guess.

visibly seeing demons, well, i can't back that up with scripture. maybe you can enlighten me.

DISCERNMENT

In I Corinthians 12:10 it says, “and to another distinguishing between spirits” (NIV) Discernment means to be able to distinguish between right and wrong, good and evil. It is having a logical, judicial ability to think through issues. It is the ability to “discern” whether a saying, teaching, doctrine, written word, or event is good or evil; true or false; and if the source, meaning or intentions are of God, the person or Satanic deception. There is an ability to “read between the lines” and get to the truth of an issue. The“gut” tells them when something doesn’t seem to be right. There is an urgency to pray and ask for wisdom.

Benefits

Spiritual battle, whether in a small group or the church, is a serious concern and discernment is a valuable asset to have. This gift can help guide the church both in more ordinary decisions or deeper spiritual issues.

Pitfalls

There is a temptation to always be “right”; not admit when there has been a mistake. Pride could prevent a humble spirit in the use of the gift. It could be tempting to misuse the trust that someone places in your judgment and use the gift for personal gain or to hurt someone. Finally, it is easy to trust in personal judgment and not consult God, thus being deceived yourself.

Ministry Opportunities

This gift could be used in helping; settle disputes; counseling; spiritual warfare; or assisting church leadership with decisions. This gift can be used in counseling with addictions and low self esteem where deception is sometimes used as a coping mechanism.

[link to spiritualgifts.wordpress.com]
 Quoting: Salt


I first functioned in the gift of discerning of spirits during my husband's deliverance about 29 years ago. 3 days after that I went to my church and discerned every person sitting in church was demon possessed, literally they had demons in them, all of them. Even the pastor, even the pastor that sent the night with me during my husband's deliverance. He helped me greatly with the deliverance and God showed me he had 2 demons in him.

I have 2 gifts of the Holy Spirit.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 20586262


ok, so let me get this straight. the ENTIRE church was demon possessed, including the pastor, who you had help you deliver 2 demons from your husband.

how can a demon possessed pastor deliver 2 demons from your husband, or help to do it?
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It's called I functioned in the gift of discerning of spirits. Do you know what that gift does? You can see demons with it. I don't call SEEING, actually seeing the demons, judgment. It's called a gift of the Holy Spirit. God can show people things you know.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 20586262


wow, ok.

well, my spiritual gift (one of three) is discernment. it operates differently for me, i guess.

visibly seeing demons, well, i can't back that up with scripture. maybe you can enlighten me.

DISCERNMENT

In I Corinthians 12:10 it says, “and to another distinguishing between spirits” (NIV) Discernment means to be able to distinguish between right and wrong, good and evil. It is having a logical, judicial ability to think through issues. It is the ability to “discern” whether a saying, teaching, doctrine, written word, or event is good or evil; true or false; and if the source, meaning or intentions are of God, the person or Satanic deception. There is an ability to “read between the lines” and get to the truth of an issue. The“gut” tells them when something doesn’t seem to be right. There is an urgency to pray and ask for wisdom.

Benefits

Spiritual battle, whether in a small group or the church, is a serious concern and discernment is a valuable asset to have. This gift can help guide the church both in more ordinary decisions or deeper spiritual issues.

Pitfalls

There is a temptation to always be “right”; not admit when there has been a mistake. Pride could prevent a humble spirit in the use of the gift. It could be tempting to misuse the trust that someone places in your judgment and use the gift for personal gain or to hurt someone. Finally, it is easy to trust in personal judgment and not consult God, thus being deceived yourself.

Ministry Opportunities

This gift could be used in helping; settle disputes; counseling; spiritual warfare; or assisting church leadership with decisions. This gift can be used in counseling with addictions and low self esteem where deception is sometimes used as a coping mechanism.

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I first functioned in the gift of discerning of spirits during my husband's deliverance about 29 years ago. 3 days after that I went to my church and discerned every person sitting in church was demon possessed, literally they had demons in them, all of them. Even the pastor, even the pastor that sent the night with me during my husband's deliverance. He helped me greatly with the deliverance and God showed me he had 2 demons in him.

I have 2 gifts of the Holy Spirit.
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ok, so let me get this straight. the ENTIRE church was demon possessed, including the pastor, who you had help you deliver 2 demons from your husband.

how can a demon possessed pastor deliver 2 demons from your husband, or help to do it?
 Quoting: Salt


Yes, the whole church of about 300 people were demon possessed. It was a horrible thing to see.

As far as a pastor being able to help you and not be a real christian. The bible says "they will say to Him (Jesus) did not we cast out demons in your Name" and He will say to them "away from me I never knew you". So there will be people who will cast out demons but not really know Jesus, that pastor was one of those kind of people.
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I cast 8 demons out of my husband, he had 9 of them. I went to another pastor with the last demon and I didn't handle that one.

The pastor had 2 demons himself.
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I cast 8 demons out of my husband, he had 9 of them. I went to another pastor with the last demon and I didn't handle that one.

The pastor had 2 demons himself.
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And how are the two of you doing now? How did you find another church?
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I cast 8 demons out of my husband, he had 9 of them. I went to another pastor with the last demon and I didn't handle that one.

The pastor had 2 demons himself.
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And how are the two of you doing now? How did you find another church?
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I knew that day that I discerned my church that those people sitting around me in the pews that day were not my real brothers and sisters in Christ. I knew that instantly and that was one of the saddest things about the experience. The realization that this was not the church was crushing to me. I've looked for the real church ever since and truly I have not been able to find it. I've gone from church to church.

As far as my husband, I'm still with him. We've been married 38 years now. He has struggles, he's had a very hard time, so have I. We've been alone for years. His whole family attended the church I discerned and didn't want anything to do with me. So we moved away from our families years ago. I haven't seen either of our families in about 17 years really. We just don't talk. They still go to the demon filled churches, I don't.

I don't go to church, I haven't gone to a church for years and years now, about 30 years now. I won't get caught dead going to those demon filled churches. I fellowship online and wherever I can find a true brother or sister somewhere.
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BTW, I did post those links about translation errors to my earlier comment, just a general FYI.
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Where?
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[link to www.godlikeproductions.com]
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I have a question (sent you a PM before I realized you couldn't reply)

To what "code" are you keeping?
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The name is just a play on words between the phrase from Pirates of the Carribbean, and my work as a computer programmer and web developer.
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Where?
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[link to www.godlikeproductions.com]
 Quoting: Keep2theCode


I have a question (sent you a PM before I realized you couldn't reply)

To what "code" are you keeping?
 Quoting: Life and Love


The name is just a play on words between the phrase from Pirates of the Carribbean, and my work as a computer programmer and web developer.
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Oh, ok. In the context of the religious nature of this thread I had thought that you meant the "bible code."

(I do programming, too - scientific computation and visualization)
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Oh, ok. In the context of the religious nature of this thread I had thought that you meant the "bible code."

(I do programming, too - scientific computation and visualization)
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Awesome. I'm from the time before internetz so this was mostly mincomputers "back in the day". I don't do a whole lot anymore with web code, so I call myself semi-retired.

Re. Bible codes, I'm really not into that. I don't reject it outright but haven't been convinced that if there is any, that it means anything more than proving God's authorship.
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Oh, ok. In the context of the religious nature of this thread I had thought that you meant the "bible code."

(I do programming, too - scientific computation and visualization)
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Awesome. I'm from the time before internetz so this was mostly mincomputers "back in the day". I don't do a whole lot anymore with web code, so I call myself semi-retired.

Re. Bible codes, I'm really not into that. I don't reject it outright but haven't been convinced that if there is any, that it means anything more than proving God's authorship.
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Me, either, which is why I wanted to ask.
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Salt,

What I saw was the falling away churches.

I tried to tell you the churches are false.

No one will listen.

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