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Women can help Our Lord in other ways.

JESUS CHOSE ONLY MEN FOR THE PRIESTHOOD

Jesus gave us the example when he chose only men to be his Apostles. He ordained these men the first priests of his Church. He could have chosen at least one woman to be an Apostle if he had wanted women to be priests in his Church. Some claim that Jesus only chose men because that was the custom of the society. This argument doesn’t hold water because Jesus broke with many customs of his day. Having women as disciples was extremely unusual for the society. Jesus also went against custom concerning divorce and remarriage (Matthew 19:3-9), the obligation to care for one’s parents (Mark 7:9-13), the weekly Sabbath (John 5:10-17; Matthew 12:1-15), dietary restrictions (Mark 7:14-15), etc. The Apostles followed Jesus’ example and ordained only men to the priesthood. “The Church recognizes herself to be bound by this choice made by the Lord himself. For this reason the ordination of women is not possible” (Catechism, 1577).

JESUS WAS MALE
The priests act “in persona Christi”, that is in the person of Christ. Inasmuch as the priest images Christ to the faithful, and since Christ was male, it would be inappropriate to have women priests.

BRIDE GROOM AND BRIDE
At Communion the priest represents Christ, the Bride Groom, offering the Wedding Cup to his bride, the church. If the priest were a woman it would image a lesbian marriage to the faithful. This would be an abomination (Romans 1:24-27).

OLD TESTAMENT PRIESTHOOD
Since the priest in the Old Testament prefigured Christ, the priest in the New Testament as the representative of Christ should also be male. St. Thomas Aquinas noted in his Summa Theologiae, “Christ is the source of all priesthood: the priest of the old law was a figure of Christ, and the priest of the new law acts in the person of Christ.”

AUTHORITY
Women should not teach men in the Church. “I do not permit woman to act as teacher” (2 Timothy 2:12). If women cannot teach men in the Church then she cannot be a priest whose major responsibility is to teach.

MARY
If any woman was going to be a priest Lord would have certainly chosen his mother to be the first. Jesus’ refusal to ordain his mother is strong evidence against having women priests.

GOD’S CHOICE OF PEOPLE
Jesus could have been born into any people at any time. However, he chose to be born into a society that had a male-only priesthood. The concept of female priests was well known throughout the ancient world. The Jews were surrounded by societies that had female priests. Yet God never led the Jews to accept such a practice.
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According to the Bible, women are not to speak in church.

1 Corinthians 14:34-36
Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience as also saith the law. And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church.
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He was talking about women in the Corinth assembly being disruptive within the directions of how THEIR GATHERING should be run. We are not under the Law, but the Will Of God written in our hearts. Read the whole thing and quit taking it out of context!
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According to the Bible, women are not to speak in church.

1 Corinthians 14:34-36
Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience as also saith the law. And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 25213722


He was talking about women in the Corinth assembly being disruptive within the directions of how THEIR GATHERING should be run. We are not under the Law, but the Will Of God written in our hearts. Read the whole thing and quit taking it out of context!
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According to the Bible, women are not to speak in church.

1 Corinthians 14:34-36
Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience as also saith the law. And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 25213722


He was talking about women in the Corinth assembly being disruptive within the directions of how THEIR GATHERING should be run. We are not under the Law, but the Will Of God written in our hearts. Read the whole thing and quit taking it out of context!
 Quoting: Spitting Into The Wind


Here is another for you.

1 Timothy 2:11-15
Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection. But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence. For Adam was first formed, then Eve. And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression. Notwithstanding she shall be saved in childbearing.
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According to the Bible, women are not to speak in church.

1 Corinthians 14:34-36
Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience as also saith the law. And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 25213722


He was talking about women in the Corinth assembly being disruptive within the directions of how THEIR GATHERING should be run. We are not under the Law, but the Will Of God written in our hearts. Read the whole thing and quit taking it out of context!
 Quoting: Spitting Into The Wind


Here is another for you.

1 Timothy 2:11-15
Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection. But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence. For Adam was first formed, then Eve. And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression. Notwithstanding she shall be saved in childbearing.
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these scriptures were already discussed.

you didn't bother to read the thread at all, huh?
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God uses women when men are not available or willing.

He used Margaret Thatcher in England.

Now when it comes to the Church of the Lord Jesus Christ He sets the order, however not everybody are willing to follow His order and take upon themselves to do things in the flesh against Gods order and word. Women fill many positions in Church but not all churches are the Church of the Lord Jesus Christ. Many have left Him out.

The early church had women and men separated in church, men on one side and women on the other. Just like the Mennonites still do today. Hence for a woman to speak in church or ask her husband something would be "noisy and unruly". So they are told to ask their husband at home.

Women was still allowed to be a vessel for God when the Holy Spirit moved upon them to utter His words. But women was told not to teach or have authority over men.

1 Timothy 2:8-15:

(8)I want men everywhere to lift up holy hands in prayer, without anger or disputing. (9)I also want women to dress modestly, with decency and propriety, not with braided hair or gold or pearls or expensive clothes, (10)but with good deeds, appropriate for women who profess to worship God. (11)A woman should learn in quietness and full submission. (12)I do not permit a woman to teach or to have authority over a man; she must be silent. (13)For Adam was formed first, then Eve. (14)And Adam was not the one deceived; it was the woman who was deceived and became a sinner. (15)But women will be kept safe through childbirth, if they continue in faith, love and holiness with propriety.

Of course it is hard for a woman to accept this. Remember in the O.T. they were under the Levitical system, however at Pentecost the Church started and Jesus Christ taught Paul how His Church should be ordered. Men and women fulfill different purposes and roles, one not more important than the other, each member on His body contribute. Don't strive to take upon yourself another's role, you end up soulish and in the flesh, not operating in the Holy Spirit. Outside the church women can minister to other women all they want. Let the Holy Spirit be the guide, not your wantonness to step into areas God has not established. Hard to submit is it not? Oh, that inward struggle. Flesh and Spirit always at strife.
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Women can help Our Lord in other ways.

JESUS CHOSE ONLY MEN FOR THE PRIESTHOOD

Jesus gave us the example when he chose only men to be his Apostles. He ordained these men the first priests of his Church. He could have chosen at least one woman to be an Apostle if he had wanted women to be priests in his Church. Some claim that Jesus only chose men because that was the custom of the society. This argument doesn’t hold water because Jesus broke with many customs of his day. Having women as disciples was extremely unusual for the society. Jesus also went against custom concerning divorce and remarriage (Matthew 19:3-9), the obligation to care for one’s parents (Mark 7:9-13), the weekly Sabbath (John 5:10-17; Matthew 12:1-15), dietary restrictions (Mark 7:14-15), etc. The Apostles followed Jesus’ example and ordained only men to the priesthood. “The Church recognizes herself to be bound by this choice made by the Lord himself. For this reason the ordination of women is not possible” (Catechism, 1577).

JESUS WAS MALE
The priests act “in persona Christi”, that is in the person of Christ. Inasmuch as the priest images Christ to the faithful, and since Christ was male, it would be inappropriate to have women priests.

BRIDE GROOM AND BRIDE
At Communion the priest represents Christ, the Bride Groom, offering the Wedding Cup to his bride, the church. If the priest were a woman it would image a lesbian marriage to the faithful. This would be an abomination (Romans 1:24-27).

OLD TESTAMENT PRIESTHOOD
Since the priest in the Old Testament prefigured Christ, the priest in the New Testament as the representative of Christ should also be male. St. Thomas Aquinas noted in his Summa Theologiae, “Christ is the source of all priesthood: the priest of the old law was a figure of Christ, and the priest of the new law acts in the person of Christ.”

AUTHORITY
Women should not teach men in the Church. “I do not permit woman to act as teacher” (2 Timothy 2:12). If women cannot teach men in the Church then she cannot be a priest whose major responsibility is to teach.

MARY
If any woman was going to be a priest Lord would have certainly chosen his mother to be the first. Jesus’ refusal to ordain his mother is strong evidence against having women priests.

GOD’S CHOICE OF PEOPLE
Jesus could have been born into any people at any time. However, he chose to be born into a society that had a male-only priesthood. The concept of female priests was well known throughout the ancient world. The Jews were surrounded by societies that had female priests. Yet God never led the Jews to accept such a practice.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 20541213


Priesthood? You are playing the hypocrite, criticizing those who make the transition between the Old (physical) and New (spiritual) Testament because you refuse to see past your brainwashing to understand truth. We are ALL priests (servants to the Lord for and in His Temple made without human hands, the Body of Yeshua in spirit. The old physical priesthood was done away with.

1 Peter 2:9 But you are a chosen race who serve as Priests for The Kingdom, a holy people, a redeemed assembly; you should proclaim the praises of him who called you from darkness into his excellent light.

Revelation 1:6 And he has made us The Priestly Kingdom to God and his Father; to him be glory and Empire to the eternity of eternities. Amen.
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Seriously though, you're just spreading ignorance if you're spreading the gosphel.
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Women can help Our Lord in other ways.

JESUS CHOSE ONLY MEN FOR THE PRIESTHOOD

Jesus gave us the example when he chose only men to be his Apostles. He ordained these men the first priests of his Church. He could have chosen at least one woman to be an Apostle if he had wanted women to be priests in his Church. Some claim that Jesus only chose men because that was the custom of the society. This argument doesn’t hold water because Jesus broke with many customs of his day. Having women as disciples was extremely unusual for the society. Jesus also went against custom concerning divorce and remarriage (Matthew 19:3-9), the obligation to care for one’s parents (Mark 7:9-13), the weekly Sabbath (John 5:10-17; Matthew 12:1-15), dietary restrictions (Mark 7:14-15), etc. The Apostles followed Jesus’ example and ordained only men to the priesthood. “The Church recognizes herself to be bound by this choice made by the Lord himself. For this reason the ordination of women is not possible” (Catechism, 1577).

JESUS WAS MALE
The priests act “in persona Christi”, that is in the person of Christ. Inasmuch as the priest images Christ to the faithful, and since Christ was male, it would be inappropriate to have women priests.

BRIDE GROOM AND BRIDE
At Communion the priest represents Christ, the Bride Groom, offering the Wedding Cup to his bride, the church. If the priest were a woman it would image a lesbian marriage to the faithful. This would be an abomination (Romans 1:24-27).

OLD TESTAMENT PRIESTHOOD
Since the priest in the Old Testament prefigured Christ, the priest in the New Testament as the representative of Christ should also be male. St. Thomas Aquinas noted in his Summa Theologiae, “Christ is the source of all priesthood: the priest of the old law was a figure of Christ, and the priest of the new law acts in the person of Christ.”

AUTHORITY
Women should not teach men in the Church. “I do not permit woman to act as teacher” (2 Timothy 2:12). If women cannot teach men in the Church then she cannot be a priest whose major responsibility is to teach.

MARY
If any woman was going to be a priest Lord would have certainly chosen his mother to be the first. Jesus’ refusal to ordain his mother is strong evidence against having women priests.

GOD’S CHOICE OF PEOPLE
Jesus could have been born into any people at any time. However, he chose to be born into a society that had a male-only priesthood. The concept of female priests was well known throughout the ancient world. The Jews were surrounded by societies that had female priests. Yet God never led the Jews to accept such a practice.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 20541213


Priesthood? You are playing the hypocrite, criticizing those who make the transition between the Old (physical) and New (spiritual) Testament because you refuse to see past your brainwashing to understand truth. We are ALL priests (servants to the Lord for and in His Temple made without human hands, the Body of Yeshua in spirit. The old physical priesthood was done away with.

1 Peter 2:9 But you are a chosen race who serve as Priests for The Kingdom, a holy people, a redeemed assembly; you should proclaim the praises of him who called you from darkness into his excellent light.

Revelation 1:6 And he has made us The Priestly Kingdom to God and his Father; to him be glory and Empire to the eternity of eternities. Amen.
 Quoting: Spitting Into The Wind


amen!
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Women can help Our Lord in other ways.

JESUS CHOSE ONLY MEN FOR THE PRIESTHOOD

Jesus gave us the example when he chose only men to be his Apostles. He ordained these men the first priests of his Church. He could have chosen at least one woman to be an Apostle if he had wanted women to be priests in his Church. Some claim that Jesus only chose men because that was the custom of the society. This argument doesn’t hold water because Jesus broke with many customs of his day. Having women as disciples was extremely unusual for the society. Jesus also went against custom concerning divorce and remarriage (Matthew 19:3-9), the obligation to care for one’s parents (Mark 7:9-13), the weekly Sabbath (John 5:10-17; Matthew 12:1-15), dietary restrictions (Mark 7:14-15), etc. The Apostles followed Jesus’ example and ordained only men to the priesthood. “The Church recognizes herself to be bound by this choice made by the Lord himself. For this reason the ordination of women is not possible” (Catechism, 1577).

JESUS WAS MALE
The priests act “in persona Christi”, that is in the person of Christ. Inasmuch as the priest images Christ to the faithful, and since Christ was male, it would be inappropriate to have women priests.

BRIDE GROOM AND BRIDE
At Communion the priest represents Christ, the Bride Groom, offering the Wedding Cup to his bride, the church. If the priest were a woman it would image a lesbian marriage to the faithful. This would be an abomination (Romans 1:24-27).

OLD TESTAMENT PRIESTHOOD
Since the priest in the Old Testament prefigured Christ, the priest in the New Testament as the representative of Christ should also be male. St. Thomas Aquinas noted in his Summa Theologiae, “Christ is the source of all priesthood: the priest of the old law was a figure of Christ, and the priest of the new law acts in the person of Christ.”

AUTHORITY
Women should not teach men in the Church. “I do not permit woman to act as teacher” (2 Timothy 2:12). If women cannot teach men in the Church then she cannot be a priest whose major responsibility is to teach.

MARY
If any woman was going to be a priest Lord would have certainly chosen his mother to be the first. Jesus’ refusal to ordain his mother is strong evidence against having women priests.

GOD’S CHOICE OF PEOPLE
Jesus could have been born into any people at any time. However, he chose to be born into a society that had a male-only priesthood. The concept of female priests was well known throughout the ancient world. The Jews were surrounded by societies that had female priests. Yet God never led the Jews to accept such a practice.
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Our Lord named the Apostles priests, the priesthood is
male.

The further falling away, women ministers, good Lord!

Pride stumps everything, good old Joyce.
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There are two priesthoods in Scripture, the
priesthood of believers and a ministerial priesthood.

Seee...like the Old Testament, the New Covenant ministerial
priesthood offers the "continual sacrifice." You need a priest to offer sacrifice, did you forget?


And one other, there is no ordained priesthood in Protestantism. One of their rejections. So sad.

Hang on, maybe next year? The moments when God shows the entire world personally, you non-Catholics will understand.

Remember, the NDE like life review for the entire world.
Our Lord's prayer to the Father that we all believe the same
is going to be fulfilled, less those who pridefully say no.
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God uses women when men are not available or willing.

He used Margaret Thatcher in England.

Now when it comes to the Church of the Lord Jesus Christ He sets the order, however not everybody are willing to follow His order and take upon themselves to do things in the flesh against Gods order and word. Women fill many positions in Church but not all churches are the Church of the Lord Jesus Christ. Many have left Him out.

The early church had women and men separated in church, men on one side and women on the other. Just like the Mennonites still do today. Hence for a woman to speak in church or ask her husband something would be "noisy and unruly". So they are told to ask their husband at home.

Women was still allowed to be a vessel for God when the Holy Spirit moved upon them to utter His words. But women was told not to teach or have authority over men.

1 Timothy 2:8-15:

(8)I want men everywhere to lift up holy hands in prayer, without anger or disputing. (9)I also want women to dress modestly, with decency and propriety, not with braided hair or gold or pearls or expensive clothes, (10)but with good deeds, appropriate for women who profess to worship God. (11)A woman should learn in quietness and full submission. (12)I do not permit a woman to teach or to have authority over a man; she must be silent. (13)For Adam was formed first, then Eve. (14)And Adam was not the one deceived; it was the woman who was deceived and became a sinner. (15)But women will be kept safe through childbirth, if they continue in faith, love and holiness with propriety.

Of course it is hard for a woman to accept this. Remember in the O.T. they were under the Levitical system, however at Pentecost the Church started and Jesus Christ taught Paul how His Church should be ordered. Men and women fulfill different purposes and roles, one not more important than the other, each member on His body contribute. Don't strive to take upon yourself another's role, you end up soulish and in the flesh, not operating in the Holy Spirit. Outside the church women can minister to other women all they want. Let the Holy Spirit be the guide, not your wantonness to step into areas God has not established. Hard to submit is it not? Oh, that inward struggle. Flesh and Spirit always at strife.
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This was already discussed and settled...keep reading. And yet, the vast majority of these assemblies are dead of spirit, whether they allow women to speak or not. No one cares about the spiritually dead, those that fancy themselves alive by man-made works. Jesus had some fierce words about this mentality in Matthew 23.
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OP,

Do you function on any of the gifts of the Holy Spirit?
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OP,

Do you function on any of the gifts of the Holy Spirit?
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yes.
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There are two priesthoods in Scripture, the
priesthood of believers and a ministerial priesthood.

Seee...like the Old Testament, the New Covenant ministerial
priesthood offers the "continual sacrifice." You need a priest to offer sacrifice, did you forget?


And one other, there is no ordained priesthood in Protestantism. One of their rejections. So sad.

Hang on, maybe next year? The moments when God shows the entire world personally, you non-Catholics will understand.

Remember, the NDE like life review for the entire world.
Our Lord's prayer to the Father that we all believe the same
is going to be fulfilled, less those who pridefully say no.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 20541213


Your knowledge of Scripture is very poor, which means you are not being fed the Bread of Life, His WORD in SPIRIT and in truth. You are missing it: what was PHYSICAL in the OT is now SPIRITUAL under the New Covenant. No more institution of priesthood and it is not in the NT at all! Most of these institution are not teaching this properly. The "continual sacrifice" is OURSELVES DAILY as He commanded:

Matthew 16:24 Then said Jesus unto his disciples, If any man will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross, and follow me.

Romans 12:1 I beg you therefore, my brethren, by the mercies of God, that you present your bodies living sacrifices, holy and acceptable to God by a logical service. 2And do not imitate this world, but be transformed by the renovation of your minds, and you shall distinguish what is the good, acceptable and perfect will of God.

Romans 6:13 Neither yield your members as instruments of unrighteousness unto sin: but yield yourselves unto God, as those that are alive from the dead, and your members as instruments of righteousness unto God.

Hebrews 13:15 And through him let us offer sacrifices of praise always to God, which is the fruit of the lips giving thanks to his name.

Face the fact: you do not know God, Jesus or the Connection to the Father (the Holy Spirit, who is alive and ACTIVE in my life). All you know is your institution and your emotional and mental state controlled by it. You choose to know nothing; I pity you.
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".........in like manner also, that the women adorn themselves in modest apparel, with propriety and moderation, not with braided hair or gold or peals or costly clothing.

"but, which is proper for women professing godliness, with good works.

"Let a woman learn in silence with all submission.

"And I do not permit a woman to teach or to have authority over a man, but to be in silence.

"For Adam was formed first, then Eve.

"And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived, fell into transgression.

"Nevertheless she will be saved in childbearing if they continue in faith, love, and holiness, with self-control."

.............

"Wives, submit to your own husbands, as to the Lord.

"For the husband is the head of the wife, as also Christ is head of the church; and He is the Savior of the body.

"Therefore, just as the church is subject to Christ, so let the wives be to their own husbands in everything.

"Husbands, love your wives just as Christ also loved the church and gave Himself for it.......



......................


Please Note: the modern women's feminist is an act of rebellion against God......one among thousands out there.
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Another issued ignored is that God hates divorce.


People that take a vow before God are married for life in His eyes.......no matter what a human judge says.


Therefore, if they marry again.....they are in a state of adultery......as God continues to view them as married to their first husband/wife.


And naturally.....if they have sex with any one other than their original partner.....it is viewed by God as adultery.


Let's face it.....we are all but wretched sinners.....and our sins are over are heads.
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According to the Bible, women are not to speak in church.

1 Corinthians 14:34-36
Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience as also saith the law. And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 25213722


He was talking about women in the Corinth assembly being disruptive within the directions of how THEIR GATHERING should be run. We are not under the Law, but the Will Of God written in our hearts. Read the whole thing and quit taking it out of context!
 Quoting: Spitting Into The Wind


1. I do not see anything prior to this Scripture about the women at Corinth being particularly disruptive.

2. 1 Timothy....which also addresses this general principle.....was written by Paul to Timothy.....and Timothy was involved with a different church, namely the one at Ephesus.


3. Yes....those born again are no longer under the law.


But you still should want to grow in the Lord and follow His commands.....for example....."Be anxious for nothing"....or "Fear Not, for I am with you."
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Why do you display such an ugly avatar, your choice says run, run in the other direction. Not to mention trying to bully your point of view.

Honestly, I can't suggest a church suited for your attitude, much less a forum or even a blog...caustic is the word that comes to mind.
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Yes, preach in church and go away from here!
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bitches are meant to wash pots and polish me off and clean up .


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you bet they are!
don't let anyone tell you that women are to be silent.
God used many powerful women to teach, preach, judge, prophesy, etc.

God called and used women preachers in the Old Testament.

a. DEBORAH - Judges 4:4-5. Deborah was a Judge for both civil and criminal cases. The children of Israel came to her for judgment. She was the chief ruler of Israel for 40 years, giving orders to the Generals and all the army. She did the work of an evangelist, prophetess, Judge, and a preacher. God gave her authority over the mighty (Judges 5:13).

b. MIRIAM - Exodus 15:20; Numbers 12:1; Micah 6:4. She was a Prophetess and a Song Leader in Israel.

c. HULDAH - 2 Kings 22:14. Five men went to Sister Huldah and communed with her. She spoke to a congregation of men concerning the book of the Law. A female preached to a man's congregation, and her message was taken to the nation and produced a revival.

d. MAHER-SHALAL-HASH-BAZ'S MOTHER - Isaiah 8:3. She was a prophetess.

8. God called and used women preachers in the New Testament.

a. The first message of the Resurrection of Christ was spoken by women to a group of men.

b. Anna - Luke 2:36-38. She must have prophesied in church, because she did not depart from the temple.

c. Phillip had 4 daughters who prophesied. Acts 21:9.

d. Priscilla assisted Paul in his revival meeting and even taught Apollos in the way of the Lord more perfectly.

e. Phebe - Romans 16:1-2. Paul commended Phoebe to the Church at Rome and requested that they assist her in her business. She was one of Paul's assistants in the work of the Lord and delivered the Book of Romans to the people from the hand of Paul.

9. There is no sound reason why a woman or man should not preach the Gospel. There is a desperate need in the church for more workers. Laborers are few, and God will use any and all who will go for Him. Some say God will not use a woman to preach, because "The woman was deceived," but remember Romans 5:12: "Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world." It seems to indicate that Adam was just as guilty as Eve in the fall of man. If anyone should be kept from preaching because of sin, it would be Adam. But God does not forbid anyone from preaching, because of Adam's or Eve's sin.

10. 1 Cor. 14: 34-35 does not say anything about women preachers. If Paul intended this verse as a general rule to bar all women from speaking in church, then they cannot teach Sunday School, testify, pray, prophesy, sing, or even get saved, and this would contradict the rest of the Bible (Acts 2:4; Acts 2:16-18).

Paul was rather dealing with a particular problem in the church. Women were not educated as were the men in that day; therefore the women would talk back and forth to their husbands in church and ask questions concerning the sermon. Paul said, "If they will learn anything, let them ask their husbands at home; for it is a shame for women to speak in the church." If they want to talk things over let them wait until they get home. This rule is still good for the church today, where people are talking and causing confusion in the church service. They should not speak in church. (Not in the back of the church either before or after services.)

If a woman cannot speak in church, then she cannot speak in prayer meeting, young people's service, etc., for who can deny that Sunday School and Prayer meeting, and Youth work are parts of church? Christ's Church is not a building, but rather it is found where two or three are gathered together in His name, whether at a street meeting, in a tent, a home, church, classroom or anywhere else.

11. 1 Timothy 2:12 is not a blanket rule for all women of all churches. If it were, then the women could not speak at all, for the same verse that tells them not to teach also tells them to be silent.

If all women had to keep silent in church, then that would be promoting disobedience to God, for they could not prophesy, pray, testify, sing, exhort, do personal work, or even get saved.

Whenever an interpretation to a verse contradicts the rest of the teaching of the Bible, we know this interpretation is incorrect, for the Holy Spirit will never contradict His own Word.

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So you obviously believe that the apostle Paul was not a true apostle of God... eh?
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fyi, Adam was the one to drop the ball... not Eve.
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Explain that preposterous comment please.
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Re: Are women allowed to preach and teach in the church? Or are we to be silent?
but, to clarify...

a woman must submit to the authority of the church and should not hold a position of Head Pastor over men in any church.

the honor of submission is for a specific reason.
that reason has nothing to do with lacking any equality, education or ability.
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Listen, toots...

The woman is the weaker vessel. The woman is EASIER to deceive, which is why Satan went after Eve.

The bible PLAINLY states that Adam was NOT deceived. And that the woman (Eve) WAS deceived.

The bible also PLAINLY states that women are to be silent in church, and if they have any questions, to "ask their husband" at home.
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Re: Are women allowed to preach and teach in the church? Or are we to be silent?
According to the Bible, women are not to speak in church.

1 Corinthians 14:34-36
Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience as also saith the law. And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church.
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He was talking about women in the Corinth assembly being disruptive within the directions of how THEIR GATHERING should be run. We are not under the Law, but the Will Of God written in our hearts. Read the whole thing and quit taking it out of context!
 Quoting: Spitting Into The Wind


Here is another for you.

1 Timothy 2:11-15
Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection. But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence. For Adam was first formed, then Eve. And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression. Notwithstanding she shall be saved in childbearing.
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these scriptures were already discussed.

you didn't bother to read the thread at all, huh?
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"discussed" does not equal dispelled.
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I would never tell a woman to stay silent especially one filled with the holy spirit .

Last Edited by Sword of mercy on 10/09/2012 05:09 AM
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