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Are women allowed to preach and teach in the church? Or are we to be silent?

 
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The church belongs to organised religion.

True religion comes from within,one's body is the church.

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Galatians 3:28 - "There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free man, there is neither male nor female; for you are all one in Christ Jesus."
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So you are pro homosexual marriage?
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Answer these questions everyone: does one have to be in leadership in order to teach or preach? What shall a woman do when married to an unbeliever who has questions and trusts no one else?
 Quoting: Spitting Into The Wind


that is a good question.

the issue is whether a woman should hold a place of authority in the church and teach/preach.

i think women can teach, preach, prophesy (speak the Word regarding practical past, present and future matters), minister, and pray.

whether or not they should head a church?
 Quoting: Salt


Interesting question, might I direct you to St Hild (Hilda of Whitby)

She was abbess (responsible) for 2 double monasteries, able religious men trained under her, 5 became bishops, 2 of which where later sainted, Kings and Princes sought her advice, she organised the Synod of Whitby, and she is responsible for giving us Cædmon one of the best Anglo-Saxon poets (especially well know for Cædmon's Hymn)

She was a great teacher of both men and women..

but then again, I guess the exceptionally high number of Anglo-Saxon female saint was due to the far more equal nature of their society, that was up to the Papal supported Norman invasion that imposed Canon law on England, a move that turned men into serfs and women into chattel.
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No, they are not to preach. You can't find a woman preacher or priest anywhere in the bible. Show me a bible verse of one and I'll agree with you.

Woman can do a lot like prophesy, gifts of the Holy Spirit, be called disciples, be helpers of the church, but nowhere is there ever one preacher in the New Testament to the church, SORRY!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 20586262


There is not one Scripture in the Bible that forbids women from preaching, but on the contrary, there are many verses that encourage both men and women to preach the Gospel.
 Quoting: Salt


Yup.. Bible full of contradictions..
How many feminists does it take to screw in a lightbulb? One. She stands there with the bulb in the socket and waits for the world to revolve around her.
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The church belongs to organised religion.

True religion comes from within,one's body is the church.

The Kingdom of God is within You afropeace
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This o.o
How many feminists does it take to screw in a lightbulb? One. She stands there with the bulb in the socket and waits for the world to revolve around her.
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I'm an Atheist so I'm not reading the whole thread. Have you mentioned Theadora the Bishop? Anyway here's Bettany Hughes' 'Divine Women' series which I found very interesting it includes images from frescoes in Rome of Theodora with a square Nimbus indicating she was considered divine whilst still alive as well as female priests officiating at ceremonies. Very interesting series that covers women's place in religion throughout the ages. Hope it streams for you. Enjoy.

[link to watchseries.eu]
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Have you ever listened to a woman talking?

It's more often than not pointless.
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fyi, Adam was the one to drop the ball... not Eve.
 Quoting: Salt


"But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence."

"For Adam was first formed, then Eve.

And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression."

I Timothy 2:12-14

But there are a lot of light workers that like to pick and chooses what they believe.
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These are the primary texts used to support a woman's right to preach. We will consider each text as it appears in the various arguments below.

Joel 2:28-29 - "It will come about after this that I will pour out My Spirit on all mankind; and your sons and daughters will prophesy, your old men will dream dreams, your young men will see visions. And even on the male and female servants I will pour out My Spirit in those days."

Acts 2:17-18 - "'And it shall be in the last days,' God says, 'That I will pour forth of My Spirit upon all mankind; and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams; even upon My bondslaves, both man and women, I will in those days pour forth of My Spirit and they shall prophesy.'"
Galatians 328 - "There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free man, there is neither male nor female; for you are all one in Christ Jesus."

1 Corinthians 11:4-5 - "Every man who has something on his head while praying or prophesying, disgraces his head. But every woman who has her head uncovered while praying or prophesying, disgraces her head; for she is one and the same with her whose head is shaved."

1 Corinthians 14:34-35 - "Let the women keep silent in the churches; for they are not permitted to speak, but let them subject themselves, just as the Law also says. And if they desire to learn anything, let them ask their own husbands at home; for it is improper for a woman to speak in church."

Timothy 2:11-15 - "Let a woman quietly receive instruction with entire submissiveness. But I do not allow a woman to teach or exercise authority over a man, but to remain quiet. For it was Adam who was first created, and then Eve. And it was not Adam who was deceived, but the woman being quite deceived,fell into transgression. But women shall be preserved through the bearing of children if they continue in faith and love and sanctity with self-restraint."

[link to www.communitychurchsyv.org]
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So, do you cover your head when praying? And if not, why not? It does say that you should, right?
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According to the Bible, women are not to speak in church.

1 Corinthians 14:34-36
Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience as also saith the law. And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church.
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He was talking about women in the Corinth assembly being disruptive within the directions of how THEIR GATHERING should be run. We are not under the Law, but the Will Of God written in our hearts. Read the whole thing and quit taking it out of context!
 Quoting: Spitting Into The Wind


1. I do not see anything prior to this Scripture about the women at Corinth being particularly disruptive.

2. 1 Timothy....which also addresses this general principle.....was written by Paul to Timothy.....and Timothy was involved with a different church, namely the one at Ephesus.


3. Yes....those born again are no longer under the law.


But you still should want to grow in the Lord and follow His commands.....for example....."Be anxious for nothing"....or "Fear Not, for I am with you."
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 24909996


1. When evaluating Scripture, you must examine all of the other verses pertaining to an issue:

1 Corinthians 14
26How is it then, brethren? when you come together, every one of you has a psalm, has a doctrine, has a tongue, has a revelation, has an interpretation. Let all things be done unto edifying.

27If any man speak in an unknown tongue, let it be by two, or at the most by three, and that in turn; and let one interpret.

28But if there be no interpreter, let him keep silence in the church; and let him speak to himself, and to God.

29Let the prophets speak two or three, and let the others judge.

30If anything be revealed to another that sits by, let the first hold his peace.

31For you may all prophesy one by one, that all may learn, and all may be comforted.

32And the spirits of the prophets are subject to the prophets.

33For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints.

Also, if you take in both Corinthian Epistles, that group gave Paul the most trouble. Women could prophesy, give psalms, etc., but it had to be done in an orderly fashion, only to not teach a congregation with men in it. I am not arguing that point, but the one that thinks women could not speak at all during an assembly (yes, some people believe this nonsense, taking Scripture out of context).

2. 1 Timothy 2 also is about order. If you take Titus 2 along with it, it give women the most powerful position of all--the raising up of future generation and Godly mothers. Feminism has totally occurred this vital ministry and the one who financed it knew full well what they were doing. That would not have happened if people who professed His authority actually followed it in spirit centuries after His Resurrection.

The word "silence" in the Greek also means "the ability to mind your own affairs."

3. The Law is now written in the heart by His Precious Spirit; the Law is for those who still have trouble recognizing that transformation. Thanks to religion, we have billions dependent on organizations and people, but not the Lord Creator Himself. The Bible is a guide towards Him, but not the fullness of Him; for that we must seek Him in earnest everyday! If those who claimed the Messiah's authority did as they should, we would be under heavy persecution in the West.
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The pastor is not a type of head, but an overseer , there to help baby believers. I am sick of this man-made hierarchy; Jesus never wanted it. It is like people cannot believe Jesus directs His body without their help.
 Quoting: Spitting Into The Wind


Absolutely!

I haven't read the whole thread yet, but this is the crux of the issue. Jesus did not come to install Judaism 2.0 or continue the priestly line of Aaron/Levi, or perpetuate the laws of Moses. He said "Where two or three gather, there I am" and "The time has come to worship God neither here nor in Jerusalem, but in spirit and truth".

Most importantly, Jesus said, "NOT SO AMONG YOU!" Yet today the disciples are still fighting over who gets first in line, and on such a ridiculous basis as reproductive organs! Yet even in the OT God said to Samuel as he went to choose the 2nd king of Israel, "I do not look on the flesh but on the heart". Even James in the NT said "God does not show favoritism".

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fyi, Adam was the one to drop the ball... not Eve.
 Quoting: Salt


"But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence."

"For Adam was first formed, then Eve.

And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression."

I Timothy 2:12-14

But there are a lot of light workers that like to pick and chooses what they believe.
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Eve transgressed the law by being deceived, but Adam sinned willfully, thus death entered the world. If one is not purified by the Holy Spirit, then what good are any man's words?
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I'm an Atheist so I'm not reading the whole thread. Have you mentioned Theadora the Bishop? Anyway here's Bettany Hughes' 'Divine Women' series which I found very interesting it includes images from frescoes in Rome of Theodora with a square Nimbus indicating she was considered divine whilst still alive as well as female priests officiating at ceremonies. Very interesting series that covers women's place in religion throughout the ages. Hope it streams for you. Enjoy.

[link to watchseries.eu]
 Quoting: 7even


She wasn't a bishop, she was the mother of the Pope. [link to en.wikipedia.org] explains the feminist explanation and why people who know history knows this is a fail.
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See then that ye walk circumspectly, not as fools, but as wise,

Redeeming the time, because the days are evil.

Wherefore be ye not unwise, but understanding what the will of the Lord is.
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since when does this need a discussion, everyone is equal in the eye's of the father, you are all his sons, spoken generically because the sex of the body in any incarnation has nothing to do with the soul. Your churches are social groups and have nothing to do with God. NOTHING
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See then that ye walk circumspectly, not as fools, but as wise,

Redeeming the time, because the days are evil.

Wherefore be ye not unwise, but understanding what the will of the Lord is.
 Quoting: Marco Israel


most people have NO concept of what it means to work within the will of the FATHER, not the Lord. Lords are teachers.
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but, to clarify...

a woman must submit to the authority of the church and should not hold a position of Head Pastor over men in any church.

the honor of submission is for a specific reason.
that reason has nothing to do with lacking any equality, education or ability.
 Quoting: Salt


She can't be a co pastor or any kind of office that has the Pastor title. Period, I clearly see that you support woman pastors by your posts. If I see a TV christian show and there is a woman with a Pastor in front of her name, I turn the show off. She is off!
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you can't see any such thing.

i do support women teachers and preachers.

it is the audience that is important.

i am currently in school to do such a ministry. i plan to minister. do i plan to pastor a church, no. but, i HAVE been called. but, the ministering/counseling will be to women, children and teens. both male and female children and teens.
 Quoting: Salt


I know that woman are not to be Pastors because I searched for about 20 years to know the anwser to that question. God finally gave me a revelation about it. I was told in that revelation that men are called to the position to lead God's church because they were created first in the image of God and in the glory of God. Woman was created second in the image of God but in the glory of man. That is the revelation I was given by God. It is totally supported throughout the bible.

I have no problem with women teaching other women, or being used by God, or being able to hear from God, or operating in the gifts of the Holy Spirit. I just have a problem when a women gives herself the title Pastor before her name. It's not of God. Actually it's even a little silly because the truth is that there is no such thing as a woman pastor or apostle, just like there never was a woman priest in the Old Testament. There couldn't be a woman priest because no such thing existed. Neither does it exist for the New Testament church! You can't be something that doesn't exist, but some women try!

Women can be greatly used of God if they know their place. They can actually achieve more than men. Pro. 31 says "give her of the works of her hands". You don't have to have a title to do things for God.

Some of the people who really "got" it when Jesus was walking on the face of the earth were women. Women were more faithful to Jesus, ministered to Him financially, poured oil on Him for burial, kissed His feet with their tears, one woman stayed faithful to Him even when the men didn't, Mary. But notice that Jesus still needed the men to minister for Him.

When a woman doesn't have a church to pastor she actually has much more time to spend with God, sitting at His feet, learning things from Him. I've found it in my life to be quite a blessing, quite frankly. I've surpassed all the men pastors out there in my knowledge, it's kind of fun!
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Very well put!
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From what I have been reading from the overnight posts, it would seem that no one knows what a pastor actually does. I suspect that's from only seeing media evangelists on TV and YouTube.
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See then that ye walk circumspectly, not as fools, but as wise,

Redeeming the time, because the days are evil.

Wherefore be ye not unwise, but understanding what the will of the Lord is.
 Quoting: Marco Israel


most people have NO concept of what it means to work within the will of the FATHER, not the Lord. Lords are teachers.
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There is one body,
and one Spirit,
even as ye are called in one hope of your calling;
One Lord,
one faith,
one baptism,
One God and Father of all,
who is above all,
and through all,
and in you all.

But unto every one of us is given grace according to the measure of the gift of Christ.

Wherefore he saith,
When he ascended up on high,
he led captivity captive,
and gave gifts unto men.
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God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth. The woman saith unto him, I know that Messias cometh, which is called Christ: when he is come, he will tell us all things. Jesus saith unto her, I that speak unto thee am he.

And upon this came his disciples, and marvelled that he talked with the woman: yet no man said, What seekest thou? or, Why talkest thou with her? The woman then left her waterpot, and went her way into the city, and saith to the men, Come, see a man, which told me all things that ever I did: is not this the Christ? Then they went out of the city, and came unto him.

In the mean while his disciples prayed him, saying, Master, eat. But he said unto them, I have meat to eat that ye know not of. Therefore said the disciples one to another, Hath any man brought him ought to eat? Jesus saith unto them, My meat is to do the will of him that sent me, and to finish his work. Say not ye, There are yet four months, and then cometh harvest? behold, I say unto you, Lift up your eyes, and look on the fields; for they are white already to harvest. And he that reapeth receiveth wages, and gathereth fruit unto life eternal: that both he that soweth and he that reapeth may rejoice together. And herein is that saying true, One soweth, and another reapeth. I sent you to reap that whereon ye bestowed no labour: other men laboured, and ye are entered into their labours.

And many of the Samaritans of that city believed on him for the saying of the woman, which testified, He told me all that ever I did. So when the Samaritans were come unto him, they besought him that he would tarry with them: and he abode there two days. And many more believed because of his own word; And said unto the woman, Now we believe, not because of thy saying: for we have heard him ourselves, and know that this is indeed the Christ, the Saviour of the world.
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And many of the Samaritans of that city believed on him for the saying of the woman, which testified, He told me all that ever I did. So when the Samaritans were come unto him, they besought him that he would tarry with them: and he abode there two days. And many more believed because of his own word; And said unto the woman, Now we believe, not because of thy saying: for we have heard him ourselves, and know that this is indeed the Christ, the Saviour of the world.
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The Samaritan woman was a most unlikely and unexpected evangelist, yet that's exactly what she was.
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There is not one Scripture in the Bible that forbids women from preaching
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Common sense is enough to know that women should just shut there mouth.
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".........in like manner also, that the women adorn themselves in modest apparel, with propriety and moderation, not with braided hair or gold or peals or costly clothing.

"but, which is proper for women professing godliness, with good works.

"Let a woman learn in silence with all submission.

"And I do not permit a woman to teach or to have authority over a man, but to be in silence.

"For Adam was formed first, then Eve.

"And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived, fell into transgression.

"Nevertheless she will be saved in childbearing if they continue in faith, love, and holiness, with self-control."

.............

"Wives, submit to your own husbands, as to the Lord.

"For the husband is the head of the wife, as also Christ is head of the church; and He is the Savior of the body.

"Therefore, just as the church is subject to Christ, so let the wives be to their own husbands in everything.

"Husbands, love your wives just as Christ also loved the church and gave Himself for it.......



......................


Please Note: the modern women's feminist is an act of rebellion against God......one among thousands out there.
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There is much scripture against what you are speaking of OP, I believe you have a calling - yet, it may just be a different calling than you believe. I don't agree 100% with the whole women being silent thing, as I seek counsel in my Wife quite often. However, that is different than her being a Preacher or Minister or Priest...

God Bless You, and good luck on your endeavors.
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There is much scripture against what you are speaking of OP, I believe you have a calling - yet, it may just be a different calling than you believe. I don't agree 100% with the whole women being silent thing, as I seek counsel in my Wife quite often. However, that is different than her being a Preacher or Minister or Priest...

God Bless You, and good luck on your endeavors.
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I'm afraid that's not so.
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fyi, Adam was the one to drop the ball... not Eve.
 Quoting: Salt


"But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence."

"For Adam was first formed, then Eve.

And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression."

I Timothy 2:12-14

But there are a lot of light workers that like to pick and chooses what they believe.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 25233369


Eve transgressed the law by being deceived, but Adam sinned willfully, thus death entered the world. If one is not purified by the Holy Spirit, then what good are any man's words?
 Quoting: Spitting Into The Wind


Bullshit. Eve deceived Adam. You really like to twist the word of God to suit your own agenda, don't you?
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Say what you want bitches,its all a load of made up shit.
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There is much scripture against what you are speaking of OP, I believe you have a calling - yet, it may just be a different calling than you believe. I don't agree 100% with the whole women being silent thing, as I seek counsel in my Wife quite often. However, that is different than her being a Preacher or Minister or Priest...

God Bless You, and good luck on your endeavors.
 Quoting: oLOVEz 24508868


I'm afraid that's not so.
 Quoting: Life and Love


So do you just ignore all the scripture from Paul? There is lots but you rebels just twist the word of God to suit your wicked agendas. The word rebuke you!
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And many of the Samaritans of that city believed on him for the saying of the woman, which testified, He told me all that ever I did. So when the Samaritans were come unto him, they besought him that he would tarry with them: and he abode there two days. And many more believed because of his own word; And said unto the woman, Now we believe, not because of thy saying: for we have heard him ourselves, and know that this is indeed the Christ, the Saviour of the world.
 Quoting: Marco Israel


The Samaritan woman was a most unlikely and unexpected evangelist, yet that's exactly what she was.
 Quoting: Life and Love


Exactly right! Most of the work YHWH directs through His body has nothing to do with preach/teaching a congregation. Due to the soul's desire for attention, too much emphasis has been placed on a single person or group of people. Look at how so few arrive at spiritual maturity because they believe they should be dependent upon "good" men and ideas instead of the Creator alone.
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There is much scripture against what you are speaking of OP, I believe you have a calling - yet, it may just be a different calling than you believe. I don't agree 100% with the whole women being silent thing, as I seek counsel in my Wife quite often. However, that is different than her being a Preacher or Minister or Priest...

God Bless You, and good luck on your endeavors.
 Quoting: oLOVEz 24508868


I'm afraid that's not so.
 Quoting: Life and Love


There is clearly more passages that explicitly state women are to be submissive to men. Yet, men are to love their women with all of their hearts.

I have read the majority of the posts contained in this thread and have seen the translations used to suggest the contrary, however, it takes a bit of translation or twisting of the words to come across as permitting women to be in the leadership roles.

So, TO ME, as a faithful servant of Christ - the evidence is clear: Women are not to be leaders of the Church teaching OVER MEN.

That is not a bad thing, that places women as part of the FOUNDATION that men are built upon. Women are to help build men up.
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Re: Are women allowed to preach and teach in the church? Or are we to be silent?
There is much scripture against what you are speaking of OP, I believe you have a calling - yet, it may just be a different calling than you believe. I don't agree 100% with the whole women being silent thing, as I seek counsel in my Wife quite often. However, that is different than her being a Preacher or Minister or Priest...

God Bless You, and good luck on your endeavors.
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I'm afraid that's not so.
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So do you just ignore all the scripture from Paul? There is lots but you rebels just twist the word of God to suit your wicked agendas. The word rebuke you!
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That is an interesting response for sure. It tells me a lot.

However, if you could manage some civility, I would like to have a conversation with you about that. If not, then have a nice day.
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