Are women allowed to preach and teach in the church? Or are we to be silent?

If you were sitting with me as I type, you would know that it is not by the spirit that I say what I say. Authoritarian, really! That's funny cause I can't even get anyone to listen to me!

I have a zeal for the truth, a zealouness to contend for the real truth. I have an overwhelming desire in my life to pull people out of the fire while there is yet time.

Just remember we are not physically with one another, so we can't read emotions into these posts.

please tell me you live in colorado.
we would be fast friends.

I sometimes feel like I can feel the jealousy that God has for His people.

Doesn't the bible say to respect those who have authority over you?

You guys can't throw everything in the bible out, you know

But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman is the man; and the head of Christ is God. 1 Corinthians 11:3 LOL

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I Thess. 5:12

And we beeech you, brethern to know the which labour among you, and are over you in the Lord, and admonish you.

Sorry... Ohio. But the times being what they are, we'll probably meet soon anyway!



The chapter and verse you neglected to cite is in the last chapter of Hebrews, and in both instances the Greek word for "rule" is NOT there. The meaning is "to defer, to follow the example", and it is to "those who brought you the word; imitate their ways". You can thank the KJV for turning mentoring into kingly lording over.


Per Paul's own illustration in two other scriptures, the head/body metaphor is one of unity from the common belief at the time that the body grew out of the head. It did NOT mean "boss"; that is a much later meaning that no first century Greek would have included. And if you think Paul is giving a chain of command, then why the mixed up sequence? Now look at the end of that passage and you'll see Paul dismiss any such thoughts by saying "But now every man comes from woman, but all come from God".

This isn't a joke, mr. LOL.

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She went along with her husband on a missionary trip, I sure do hope women can go along with their husband's on missionary trips! That would be bad if they couldn't!

Sorry... Ohio. But the times being what they are, we'll probably meet soon anyway!



I do like the King Jame bible. thank you! I didn't cite the verse because I was looking for it and that's not the bible verse I meant. I meant I Thess. 5:12.

You might be interested to know that the word "stand before", proistemi, is the same word used for Phoebe who "stood before" other believers, including Paul. So IF this is a term of rule and authority, it applies also to women. If not, then again we have no "lording over".

You can't find one woman's name in the bible that was called a pastor or apostle, I know cause I went name by name throughout the Old and New Testament.

Like I said, find a verse and give it to me with a woman who was a pastor or apostle. You can't, cause there isn't one.

Jesus started out with 12 apostles, don't you think if He intended for women to be one He would of at least picked His own mother? Certainly she, being an eler and bearing Jesus would have qualified! If there is a change made in the way of doing things in the bible there's usually a long drawn out explanation of it in the bible. You don't find that about why the apostles were changed to women in the bible anywhere.

amen!

This has already been answered. Not only are there women called apostles and deacons, there is NOT ONE MAN called a pastor.

Jesus chose 12 Jews. Don't you think that if he intended Gentiles to be leaders he would have chosen at least one? And are you completely ignorant of the fact that this was still BEFORE THE CHURCH EVEN EXISTED, and that it matches up with the 12 patriarchs of Israel? Revelation shows that these two groups of 12 make up the foundations and gates of the New Jerusalem.

And if anybody's been trying to do gender benders, it's men who tried to turn Junia into Junian.

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It is in sinful women's nature to try and rule over men/lead men. Many of them willfully reject God's natural order.

Unto the woman he said, I will greatly multiply thy sorrow and thy conception; in sorrow thou shalt bring forth children; and thy desire shall be to thy husband, and he shall rule over thee. Genesis 3:16

As for my people, children are their oppressors, and women rule over them. O my people, they who lead you cause you to err, and destroy the way of your paths. Isaiah 3:12

Do your own research "salt", and I use the term loosely because you aren't a christian and aren't interested in converting. You're just looking for loopholes in God's Word.

Actually one of the 12 was a Cannonite, don't you read your bible?

sorry on that, but jealousy is never of God that is a man belief system. God has love for ALL and the long delays of working on this world are proof. And there is quite a plan to get the proper education about God out there, because the connection to HIM is THRU YOUR MIND and not any other way. God is the creative consciousness of the entire creation, and you are a fragment of that. He i not separate from you. Only the beliefs of man cause the separation because the mind is so powerful and man doesn't understand it.

Oh? Then it is incumbent on you to define "christian."

(I can't wait to read what you write)

Sorry... Ohio. But the times being what they are, we'll probably meet soon anyway!



I am aware of that but that is not what Paul is talking about here. It is the natural order of God. Does it offend you? LOL

Please provide evidence for all these unsubstantiated claims.

what the fuck is this? The OT is mans story of those days, but that doesn't make them HOLY stories, nor are all of them correct, nor is all of the NT true and correct. Like Jesus never ever said that he would build his church on Peter and he never said there was Hell, because it does not exist.

And he also has a team of 12 women apostles , lead by his consort Mary M. So you see when truth is purposely left OUT of the bible, it cannot therefore be wholly true.

I am a woman in THIS life, and I am ordained by Michael of Nebadon to preach. And I sure do here on GLP, huh Salt.

Sex doesn't have anything to do with it, it is man that has been and still is mistaken about the role of women.

You're ignoring everything we say and just repeating your assertions. That's not how a discussion works.

BTW, that verse from Isaiah has been proven to be a deliberate change of the very Word of God. It really reads "Tax collectors have ruled over you, and exactors have oppressed you". But since you ignore everything you don't like, I've wasted my time.

God's Name is Jealous, that's one of His names ishhh!!!

It's called Greek, do you read it? Go and look up the Greek text if you think my claims are unsubstantiated.