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Why Did The Ron Paul Re3volution Completely Fail?

 
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Why Did The Ron Paul Re3volution Completely Fail?
Why did the Ron Paul re3volution completely fail? We were promised a "re3volution" this time but the whole Ron Paul "movement" seems to have completely petered out.

Was it really all about legalization of marijuana as my neighbor said? Did all the Ron Paul fans get their medical marijuana card? Is that why the "movement" just went up in smoke (pun intended)?
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Re: Why Did The Ron Paul Re3volution Completely Fail?
it succeeded. look at this site.

most here no longer believe the obama romney stupid horseshit.

no matter how many pay shills they have to post.

it's always the same stupid gold star motherfuckers.

FAIL for them.

WIN for rockypaul

and it'll only continue as people see the SAME SHIT AGAIN IN FOUR YEARS!!! lmao
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I think it is partially due to Ron Paul's son, Rand, coming out and saying he endorsed Romney. Lots of people became extremely suspicious of them after that.

Plus, afterwards, many of Pauls campaign contributors, myself included, started getting emails from Romney's campaign. It was like he sold his list to Romney or something. Scary in my opinion.
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People are fearful, and fearful people can not live happily in a free society. There are to many dangers involved and very little control over what people do.
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Re: Why Did The Ron Paul Re3volution Completely Fail?
I think it is partially due to Ron Paul's son, Rand, coming out and saying he endorsed Romney. Lots of people became extremely suspicious of them after that.

Plus, afterwards, many of Pauls campaign contributors, myself included, started getting emails from Romney's campaign. It was like he sold his list to Romney or something. Scary in my opinion.
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I was really disappointed in Rand too. At that point it seemed to take a strange turn.
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Re: Why Did The Ron Paul Re3volution Completely Fail?
Very simple.

You know the old saying "It's Not the People Who Vote that Count; It's the People Who Count the Votes"? Well, the GOP leadership proved that in spades this year.

From rigged primaries and caucuses, to secretly moving where county and district delegates were to be elected, to trying to change the rules for whether a candidate can be placed in nomination at the convention, to the physical kidnapping of the Virginia and Rhode Island delegates at the convention so that they missed a key vote, to the GOP allowing the main vote-getting candidate to personally approve or reject each and every delegate to the convention (starting in 2016) .... the list goes on and on.

The whole Ron Paul campaign was based on using honesty and integrity to try to change the party from the bottom up. But it is hard to be successful when you are facing massive corruption starting at the national level and continuing on to the sycophants at the state and local levels.
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Folded up like a cheap suit.
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People are fearful, and fearful people can not live happily in a free society. There are to many dangers involved and very little control over what people do.
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Still, what is to fear really? This could have been the stand to stop all of this nonsense.
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Re: Why Did The Ron Paul Re3volution Completely Fail?
The Re-pubs are talking about the gold standard, I don't think that would have happened without the Paultards.
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Re: Why Did The Ron Paul Re3volution Completely Fail?
The Ron Paul "R3V0LUTION" is/was based upon the faulty notion that freedom is derived from tyranny.
That's one good reason it failed.

That's just one in a series of ridiculous contradictions:

"Most minarchists/constitutionalists would agree that we live under a government (governments, actually) of delegated powers and authorities.

They would also agree that no individual or group of individuals has the legitimate authority to extract property from another by force, no matter how 'noble' the reasons for doing so may be.

Logically, since legitimate government powers are delegated, and no individual or group of individuals has the right to extract property from others by force, there was NEVER any power of taxation to delegate in the first place. One can't delegate a power one doesn't possess."

"At what point does armed robbery become magically transformed into something just, right and proper (taxation)? How many people does it take for the EXACT SAME ACT to be transformed from a moral outrage into a righteous act? And, exactly how does this magical transformation occur?

Also, from where exactly did the DELEGATED power to tax come from? What is its legitimate source? WHO EXACTLY had such a power to give to government in the first place?

I've yet to see ANY minarchist/constitutionalist provide a reasonable answer to any of those questions."
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Re: Why Did The Ron Paul Re3volution Completely Fail?
it succeeded. look at this site.

most here no longer believe the obama romney stupid horseshit.

no matter how many pay shills they have to post.

it's always the same stupid gold star motherfuckers.

FAIL for them.

WIN for rockypaul

and it'll only continue as people see the SAME SHIT AGAIN IN FOUR YEARS!!! lmao
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I am not sure about that. I see ALOT of pro-Romney supports here. Weird.
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Re: Why Did The Ron Paul Re3volution Completely Fail?
Very simple.

You know the old saying "It's Not the People Who Vote that Count; It's the People Who Count the Votes"? Well, the GOP leadership proved that in spades this year.

From rigged primaries and caucuses, to secretly moving where county and district delegates were to be elected, to trying to change the rules for whether a candidate can be placed in nomination at the convention, to the physical kidnapping of the Virginia and Rhode Island delegates at the convention so that they missed a key vote, to the GOP allowing the main vote-getting candidate to personally approve or reject each and every delegate to the convention (starting in 2016) .... the list goes on and on.

The whole Ron Paul campaign was based on using honesty and integrity to try to change the party from the bottom up. But it is hard to be successful when you are facing massive corruption starting at the national level and continuing on to the sycophants at the state and local levels.
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Yes I agree. But in the face of these obstacles the re3volution seems to have completely faded away.

At the daily paul site, very few supports are left and those that are argue about supporting Gary Johnson or not.

That site even changed its whole focus and took down Ron Paul's picture.
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uneducated, uninformed gullible population too easy to manipulate by the media.
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Re: Why Did The Ron Paul Re3volution Completely Fail?
People are fearful, and fearful people can not live happily in a free society. There are to many dangers involved and very little control over what people do.
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Still, what is to fear really? This could have been the stand to stop all of this nonsense.
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It is a perceived fear of imagined negative future events that rule the American citizens lives. Might, maybe, could be, etc... Only brave, faithful, God loving, and understanding people can live in, and retain a free society and country. That is why this country is, and will fall. Pitiful to say the least.
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Re: Why Did The Ron Paul Re3volution Completely Fail?
it succeeded. look at this site.

most here no longer believe the obama romney stupid horseshit.

no matter how many pay shills they have to post.

it's always the same stupid gold star motherfuckers.

FAIL for them.

WIN for rockypaul

and it'll only continue as people see the SAME SHIT AGAIN IN FOUR YEARS!!! lmao
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I am not sure about that. I see ALOT of pro-Romney supports here. Weird.
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look at T's pinned fla. register thread.

they've tried to neo-con ths board since 2008.

but more and more are seeing the reality.

the 2 parties are just corporatist political WWF.



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Re: Why Did The Ron Paul Re3volution Completely Fail?
The Ron Paul "R3V0LUTION" is/was based upon the faulty notion that freedom is derived from tyranny.
That's one good reason it failed.

That's just one in a series of ridiculous contradictions:

"Most minarchists/constitutionalists would agree that we live under a government (governments, actually) of delegated powers and authorities.

They would also agree that no individual or group of individuals has the legitimate authority to extract property from another by force, no matter how 'noble' the reasons for doing so may be.

Logically, since legitimate government powers are delegated, and no individual or group of individuals has the right to extract property from others by force, there was NEVER any power of taxation to delegate in the first place. One can't delegate a power one doesn't possess."

"At what point does armed robbery become magically transformed into something just, right and proper (taxation)? How many people does it take for the EXACT SAME ACT to be transformed from a moral outrage into a righteous act? And, exactly how does this magical transformation occur?

Also, from where exactly did the DELEGATED power to tax come from? What is its legitimate source? WHO EXACTLY had such a power to give to government in the first place?

I've yet to see ANY minarchist/constitutionalist provide a reasonable answer to any of those questions."
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 22573996


huh

what are you trying to say? because it's not really clear..

do you know?
I'm a Libertarian Constitutionalist.

I don't give a shit what you do with your own life, whether you make it a success or a failure, that is the outcome of the choices you make, but please take responsibility for yourself and don't make ME pay for YOUR choices and we're all good.

Repeal the 17th Amendment and the Apportionment Act of 1911!

Thread: First steps down the road to a return to the Constitutional Republic that we were intended to be.

Restore the Republic.

It's a flower, not something to be feared.

cow - Moo!
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The Ron Paul "R3V0LUTION" is/was based upon the faulty notion that freedom is derived from tyranny.
That's one good reason it failed.

That's just one in a series of ridiculous contradictions:

"Most minarchists/constitutionalists would agree that we live under a government (governments, actually) of delegated powers and authorities.

They would also agree that no individual or group of individuals has the legitimate authority to extract property from another by force, no matter how 'noble' the reasons for doing so may be.

Logically, since legitimate government powers are delegated, and no individual or group of individuals has the right to extract property from others by force, there was NEVER any power of taxation to delegate in the first place. One can't delegate a power one doesn't possess."

"At what point does armed robbery become magically transformed into something just, right and proper (taxation)? How many people does it take for the EXACT SAME ACT to be transformed from a moral outrage into a righteous act? And, exactly how does this magical transformation occur?

Also, from where exactly did the DELEGATED power to tax come from? What is its legitimate source? WHO EXACTLY had such a power to give to government in the first place?

I've yet to see ANY minarchist/constitutionalist provide a reasonable answer to any of those questions."
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huh

what are you trying to say? because it's not really clear..

do you know?
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I don't see anything unclear here.
Perhaps the issue is on your end.
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Re: Why Did The Ron Paul Re3volution Completely Fail?
The Ron Paul "R3V0LUTION" is/was based upon the faulty notion that freedom is derived from tyranny.
That's one good reason it failed.

That's just one in a series of ridiculous contradictions:

"Most minarchists/constitutionalists would agree that we live under a government (governments, actually) of delegated powers and authorities.

They would also agree that no individual or group of individuals has the legitimate authority to extract property from another by force, no matter how 'noble' the reasons for doing so may be.

Logically, since legitimate government powers are delegated, and no individual or group of individuals has the right to extract property from others by force, there was NEVER any power of taxation to delegate in the first place. One can't delegate a power one doesn't possess."

"At what point does armed robbery become magically transformed into something just, right and proper (taxation)? How many people does it take for the EXACT SAME ACT to be transformed from a moral outrage into a righteous act? And, exactly how does this magical transformation occur?

Also, from where exactly did the DELEGATED power to tax come from? What is its legitimate source? WHO EXACTLY had such a power to give to government in the first place?

I've yet to see ANY minarchist/constitutionalist provide a reasonable answer to any of those questions."
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huh

what are you trying to say? because it's not really clear..

do you know?
 Quoting: Anonymous Cowherder


I don't see anything unclear here.
Perhaps the issue is on your end.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 22573996


highlight the contradiction. where is it?
I'm a Libertarian Constitutionalist.

I don't give a shit what you do with your own life, whether you make it a success or a failure, that is the outcome of the choices you make, but please take responsibility for yourself and don't make ME pay for YOUR choices and we're all good.

Repeal the 17th Amendment and the Apportionment Act of 1911!

Thread: First steps down the road to a return to the Constitutional Republic that we were intended to be.

Restore the Republic.

It's a flower, not something to be feared.

cow - Moo!
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highlight the contradiction. where is it?
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"freedom is derived from tyranny."

"Most minarchists/constitutionalists would agree that we live under a government (governments, actually) of delegated powers and authorities. ... there was NEVER any power of taxation to delegate in the first place. One can't delegate a power one doesn't possess"
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Why did the Ron Paul re3volution completely fail? We were promised a "re3volution" this time but the whole Ron Paul "movement" seems to have completely petered out.

Was it really all about legalization of marijuana as my neighbor said? Did all the Ron Paul fans get their medical marijuana card? Is that why the "movement" just went up in smoke (pun intended)?
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Because today's Paulistineans are just like yesterday's LaRouchies.

LOUD, and FEW...
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highlight the contradiction. where is it?
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"freedom is derived from tyranny."

"Most minarchists/constitutionalists would agree that we live under a government (governments, actually) of delegated powers and authorities. ... there was NEVER any power of taxation to delegate in the first place. One can't delegate a power one doesn't possess"
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and where did you get the "freedom derived from tyranny"? how is that in anyway related to the other "quote"?

what's the link for your quotes? where did they come from?
I'm a Libertarian Constitutionalist.

I don't give a shit what you do with your own life, whether you make it a success or a failure, that is the outcome of the choices you make, but please take responsibility for yourself and don't make ME pay for YOUR choices and we're all good.

Repeal the 17th Amendment and the Apportionment Act of 1911!

Thread: First steps down the road to a return to the Constitutional Republic that we were intended to be.

Restore the Republic.

It's a flower, not something to be feared.

cow - Moo!
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shut up sheep and conform!!!
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Re: Why Did The Ron Paul Re3volution Completely Fail?
The reason why it failed is because people don't naturally embrace catastrophic change.

As uninspiring as it may be at times, the standard two party candidates offer relatively minor adjustments to the status quo that people understand. While most people may not like it, they vote for it with the understanding that radical change would be worse.

They want neither a communist state governing everything nor an anarchic experiment embracing complete liberty. The Paulites are close to the latter position in most ways, and there was always going to be a limit to how many people supported that.

I think they've actually been more successful than they feel, especially as the Fed has entered the debate as a question of politics.

Lastly, the reason they failed is Ron Paul isn't a great candidate. He's a provocative thinker, but a lousy politician.

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highlight the contradiction. where is it?
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"freedom is derived from tyranny."

"Most minarchists/constitutionalists would agree that we live under a government (governments, actually) of delegated powers and authorities. ... there was NEVER any power of taxation to delegate in the first place. One can't delegate a power one doesn't possess"
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Only until people have the balls to self govern, they will always experience pain and death by their governments.
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The Ron Paul "R3V0LUTION" is/was based upon the faulty notion that freedom is derived from tyranny.
That's one good reason it failed.

That's just one in a series of ridiculous contradictions:

"Most minarchists/constitutionalists would agree that we live under a government (governments, actually) of delegated powers and authorities.

True. The extent of those powers are inherent in the constitution.

They would also agree that no individual or group of individuals has the legitimate authority to extract property from another by force, no matter how 'noble' the reasons for doing so may be.

Correct again, especially by a federal government. Now if people authorize this without objection, then, you must recognize that it is legitimate authority. People must be able to move freely to rid themselves of such a socialist system.

Logically, since legitimate government powers are delegated, and no individual or group of individuals has the right to extract property from others by force, there was NEVER any power of taxation to delegate in the first place. One can't delegate a power one doesn't possess."

Yes, you are absolutely correct in saying that one group has no power to possess anything from another group by force, including through taxation. This doesn't include people who willfully give up taxes.

"At what point does armed robbery become magically transformed into something just, right and proper (taxation)? How many people does it take for the EXACT SAME ACT to be transformed from a moral outrage into a righteous act? And, exactly how does this magical transformation occur?

In answer to your first question, it never does. You must willfully give up your rights for them to be righteously taken away. If one person deems it a moral outrage, they should not be made to participate. It's that simple.

Also, from where exactly did the DELEGATED power to tax come from? What is its legitimate source? WHO EXACTLY had such a power to give to government in the first place?

I've yet to see ANY minarchist/constitutionalist provide a reasonable answer to any of those questions."
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Becuase he didn't get elected thats why.

It was all just a sham to diverge the overflowing energy of the 'conspiracy therorists' and people pissed off with the two party system.
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People are fearful, and fearful people can not live happily in a free society. There are to many dangers involved and very little control over what people do.
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Still, what is to fear really? This could have been the stand to stop all of this nonsense.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 24545480


It is a perceived fear of imagined negative future events that rule the American citizens lives. Might, maybe, could be, etc... Only brave, faithful, God loving, and understanding people can live in, and retain a free society and country. That is why this country is, and will fall. Pitiful to say the least.
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it failed due to people realizing
just who was bankrolling his campaign.

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he was just another puppet
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Why did the Ron Paul re3volution completely fail? We were promised a "re3volution" this time but the whole Ron Paul "movement" seems to have completely petered out.

Was it really all about legalization of marijuana as my neighbor said? Did all the Ron Paul fans get their medical marijuana card? Is that why the "movement" just went up in smoke (pun intended)?
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Too many americans are directly involved into the system agenda, in a way or another. If the system failed they would be broke. USA is beyond salvation. Just search for a secluded safe place to live, be self sufficient (garden, accessible water source, solar panels etc.) and enjoy the collapse.
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The Ron Paul "R3V0LUTION" is/was based upon the faulty notion that freedom is derived from tyranny.
That's one good reason it failed.

That's just one in a series of ridiculous contradictions:

"Most minarchists/constitutionalists would agree that we live under a government (governments, actually) of delegated powers and authorities.

True. The extent of those powers are inherent in the constitution.

They would also agree that no individual or group of individuals has the legitimate authority to extract property from another by force, no matter how 'noble' the reasons for doing so may be.

Correct again, especially by a federal government. Now if people authorize this without objection, then, you must recognize that it is legitimate authority. People must be able to move freely to rid themselves of such a socialist system.

Logically, since legitimate government powers are delegated, and no individual or group of individuals has the right to extract property from others by force, there was NEVER any power of taxation to delegate in the first place. One can't delegate a power one doesn't possess."

Yes, you are absolutely correct in saying that one group has no power to possess anything from another group by force, including through taxation. This doesn't include people who willfully give up taxes.

"At what point does armed robbery become magically transformed into something just, right and proper (taxation)? How many people does it take for the EXACT SAME ACT to be transformed from a moral outrage into a righteous act? And, exactly how does this magical transformation occur?

In answer to your first question, it never does. You must willfully give up your rights for them to be righteously taken away. If one person deems it a moral outrage, they should not be made to participate. It's that simple.

Also, from where exactly did the DELEGATED power to tax come from? What is its legitimate source? WHO EXACTLY had such a power to give to government in the first place?

I've yet to see ANY minarchist/constitutionalist provide a reasonable answer to any of those questions."
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I've answered your questions.

As to why the Ron Paul revolution failed...hehehe, you wish.

It's been alive and well since 2008, suckers. Here in Texas, we almost had Debra Medina elected, a true embodiment of the future of the Ron Paul movement! In 2012, we gained traction in every committee you can think of. We're not scared of the new rules change that allows the RNCommittee to set new rules because the Ron Paul folks are taking over the RNCommittee, hahaha!

We've already taken over. It's just going to be until the next two years for our people to take their positions, and you'll see that we were so organized, in the last hour you still couldn't see us coming.

This is your warning. Join us, or you're done along with the establishment. Truth has persevered over your dishonorable system. Sayonara.

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Ron Pohl was a masonic ringer from day one. Designed to "grab the flag" then "take the fall" diluteing and diverting the truth movement. Controlled by his masonic elite masters since his birth. Sure he could talk the talk, but he never walked the walk.

Research his family, research his real last name, research his nazi general great uncle.

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