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Why Did The Ron Paul Re3volution Completely Fail?

 
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Ron Pohl was a masonic ringer from day one.

Research his family, research his real last name, research his nazi general great uncle.
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Ron Pohl was a masonic ringer from day one. Designed to "grab the flag" then "take the fall" diluteing and diverting the truth movement. Controlled by his masonic elite masters since his birth. Sure he could talk the talk, but he never walked the walk.

Research his family, research his real last name, research his nazi general great uncle.
 Quoting: hoot no more/hasheater 25222733


No, son...I am sorry you have been lost in the shuffle, but Ron Paul has never been and never will be a diluting or diverting factor in the truth movement. If anything, he has been a converting member of the truth movement. I'm not sure of what you mean by "grab the flag" or "take the fall". Could you give me some specific instances? Controlled by birth, huh? I need some more instances of proof. Otherwise, what am I supposed to trust with you?

He talks and walks. He is the reason I'm asking you questions, now. So, why don't you give me these answers, and if they are legitimate, your trust will be mine. How about that?
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Re: Why Did The Ron Paul Re3volution Completely Fail?
The Ron Paul "R3V0LUTION" is/was based upon the faulty notion that freedom is derived from tyranny.
That's one good reason it failed.

That's just one in a series of ridiculous contradictions:

"Most minarchists/constitutionalists would agree that we live under a government (governments, actually) of delegated powers and authorities.

They would also agree that no individual or group of individuals has the legitimate authority to extract property from another by force, no matter how 'noble' the reasons for doing so may be.

Logically, since legitimate government powers are delegated, and no individual or group of individuals has the right to extract property from others by force, there was NEVER any power of taxation to delegate in the first place. One can't delegate a power one doesn't possess."

"At what point does armed robbery become magically transformed into something just, right and proper (taxation)? How many people does it take for the EXACT SAME ACT to be transformed from a moral outrage into a righteous act? And, exactly how does this magical transformation occur?

Also, from where exactly did the DELEGATED power to tax come from? What is its legitimate source? WHO EXACTLY had such a power to give to government in the first place?

I've yet to see ANY minarchist/constitutionalist provide a reasonable answer to any of those questions."
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Your mot*********' a** asked! Why doesn't your p*** a** self answer! ugh!
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The Re-pubs are talking about the gold standard, I don't think that would have happened without the Paultards.
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Talking being the keyword, people can talk about a lot of shit, doesn't mean squat in reality if then they have no obligation to do any of it.
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It didnt fail, Ron served his purpose, without ending up like Kennedy. He woke up millions. Since their is no real electoral process and he was destined to be forcefully marginalized with MSM ministry propaganda most people realize that their is no other options left but stock pile and buy more ammo.
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Playing with in party rules when they already had a candidate they wanted.If he would have gone 3rd party libertarians would have been in debates and got more tv time next try. It would have ended the 2 party system.
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Ron Pohl was a masonic ringer from day one. Designed to "grab the flag" then "take the fall" diluteing and diverting the truth movement. Controlled by his masonic elite masters since his birth. Sure he could talk the talk, but he never walked the walk.

Research his family, research his real last name, research his nazi general great uncle.
 Quoting: hoot no more/hasheater 25222733


This doesn't cut it...read above.
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This thread was cut from my most active threads, why?
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Re: Why Did The Ron Paul Re3volution Completely Fail?
It didnt fail, Ron served his purpose, without ending up like Kennedy. He woke up millions. Since their is no real electoral process and he was destined to be forcefully marginalized with MSM ministry propaganda most people realize that their is no other options left but stock pile and buy more ammo.
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If people were really awake they would organize to stock pile and buy ammo and then boycott the system and bring it to the point of collapse to force its destruction. There's nothing desirable in the system anyway, and it would force a conflict that would weed out the undesirables.
"White privilege" is the liberal religion's version of Original Sin: you are born guilty, and you carry that burden of guilt all your life, and the only way to escape eternal damnation is for white people confess their sin, to bow, kneel and believe the dogma of the Church of Liberalism, genuflect at its altars, honor its saints, fill the collection plate, and never, ever doubt.

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Why did the Ron Paul re3volution completely fail? We were promised a "re3volution" this time but the whole Ron Paul "movement" seems to have completely petered out.

Was it really all about legalization of marijuana as my neighbor said? Did all the Ron Paul fans get their medical marijuana card? Is that why the "movement" just went up in smoke (pun intended)?
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because he's just another republican shill saying all the shit you want to hear for money and votes.
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Ron Paul, was never in it to win....his only reason for starting up for the current race, was to garner donations, which he will be retiring on....lol all those RP donations feeding da fat man ! Can you say "Thanks Suc_kers"
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Ron Paul, was never in it to win....his only reason for starting up for the current race, was to garner donations, which he will be retiring on....lol all those RP donations feeding da fat man ! Can you say "Thanks Suc_kers"
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Do you have numbers on what was left after campaign expenditures?
"White privilege" is the liberal religion's version of Original Sin: you are born guilty, and you carry that burden of guilt all your life, and the only way to escape eternal damnation is for white people confess their sin, to bow, kneel and believe the dogma of the Church of Liberalism, genuflect at its altars, honor its saints, fill the collection plate, and never, ever doubt.

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Re: Why Did The Ron Paul Re3volution Completely Fail?
Do you have numbers on what was left after campaign expenditures?
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probably in the millions
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Re: Why Did The Ron Paul Re3volution Completely Fail?
Another reason is "The delegate strategy". It might have worked if they didn't change the rules once they got wind of it.
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Do you have numbers on what was left after campaign expenditures?
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probably in the millions
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in other words...hehehe..NO!
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This thread was cut from my most active threads, why?
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The same thing happens to me at midnight EST. It will reappear at midnight in your timezone.
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Another reason is "The delegate strategy". It might have worked if they didn't change the rules once they got wind of it.
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No, listen, the RNC changed the rules too late!

We've won! We can't give up when we've won! The media is telling us that we lost which is not the case one iota!

the committee is ours damnit.

If you can't recognize that then your are working against us!

Work with us and get this recognized!

Who are you for us or them? the current committee or the ones we have elected and will elect stronger in the future?

Get WITH IT, MAN! hahaha! You and I are it! We're the party! They've lost! That's why they're so up in arms about changing rules without us! It's because they know that once the next session is in order, WE ARE IN POWER!
Love thy enemy.
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This thread was cut from my most active threads, why?
 Quoting: Rebelucio


The same thing happens to me at midnight EST. It will reappear at midnight in your timezone.
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thanks...I was really getting worried about that....I like this site..thanks for clarifying.
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Re: Why Did The Ron Paul Re3volution Completely Fail?
I don't think it has failed per say. I think the reason why its not the main event in this election has to do with a complex array of factors.

1) Convenience - There are several levels that this plays against Paul. Much of our society's self-destructive behavoir is due to the capitualization of convienience. So - to in politics. Ron Paul was willing to confront many issues openly and honestly. This is inconvienient for a nation that typically chooses to sweep shit under the rug so-to-speak.

Also, one thing I continually heard from the GOP was that Ron Paul just didn't have the machineray i.e. he didn't have the wheels gresed. Romey had the money, the mojo and the carisma. Too bad he is not really a republican IMHO. Anyway, it was just more convenient to go with the strongman.

2) The complexity of International Policy. Many peole buy into the fear that if we don't spend Billions on the Military industrial complex then we will be anhilated. This fear, coupled with the amount of money involoved means that not only are people likely to latch onto what they think will make them safe, but there are also a lot of big money interests involved.

3) The petrodollar - I think people in general think it would be bad (or inconvenent) to upset the relative stability that the petro dollar and American Imperialism have brought us. Its hard to admit because we Americans are tacitly involved deeply in this issue. None of us are free. Every purchase we make, every enjoyment we have, even the electronic ones and zeroes that are typing this message are brought to you by the relative power of the petrodollar. While we see the truth of the horrific nature of this business as well as the unsustainability of this thing, There is an inherent difficulty in fighting something that feeds and clothes us. The maninstream for the most part simply refrains from acknowledging that this is an issue.

4) Addiction! One thing that I think is very human, in that it crosses all boundaries of position and wealth, is that no person has an easy time admitting they were wrong. Indeed this is something anathema to pretty much everybody. This is unfortanate because for an addicted person to recover it is necassary to take stock, take ownership (responsability), realize (get out of denial) admit error and forge ahead. We are addicted to ohhhh soooo many things. Ron Paul realizes that America has been on the wrong track. He has helped me realize this. The problem is that too many people are addicted to their lives. It makes sense really. They have no desire to step back and change in a more positive way when they do not understand the negaitveness of the current situation. This also makes sense as with addiction to drugs and alcohol it often takes a verrryyy loooowwww point for the person before they realize they were doing something wrong.

5) Information. Even with the internet people are still very underinformed. Furthermore, it is still very difficult to really KNOW the truth. It is out there, I believe. Part of the problem though is that out of convenience people self edit a lot of the information they run accross. DOUBLETHINK?

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Re: Why Did The Ron Paul Re3volution Completely Fail?
Another reason is "The delegate strategy". It might have worked if they didn't change the rules once they got wind of it.
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No, listen, the RNC changed the rules too late!

We've won! We can't give up when we've won! The media is telling us that we lost which is not the case one iota!

the committee is ours damnit.

If you can't recognize that then your are working against us!

Work with us and get this recognized!

Who are you for us or them? the current committee or the ones we have elected and will elect stronger in the future?

Get WITH IT, MAN! hahaha! You and I are it! We're the party! They've lost! That's why they're so up in arms about changing rules without us! It's because they know that once the next session is in order, WE ARE IN POWER!
 Quoting: Rebelucio


Yes, we are in power with our vote. I am voting for Johnson this year because I would vote Rep. after the RNC. If RP would have went 3rd party he would still have it. I'm tired of the 2 party system anyways. He might get 10% here in Ohio and that's fine,then hopefully there's 3 parties from now on. There's a bunch of Libertarians here pretending to be Rep. I will not vote either dem./rep. again as long as I live.
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Another reason is "The delegate strategy". It might have worked if they didn't change the rules once they got wind of it.
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No, listen, the RNC changed the rules too late!

We've won! We can't give up when we've won! The media is telling us that we lost which is not the case one iota!

the committee is ours damnit.

If you can't recognize that then your are working against us!

Work with us and get this recognized!

Who are you for us or them? the current committee or the ones we have elected and will elect stronger in the future?

Get WITH IT, MAN! hahaha! You and I are it! We're the party! They've lost! That's why they're so up in arms about changing rules without us! It's because they know that once the next session is in order, WE ARE IN POWER!
 Quoting: Rebelucio


Yes, we are in power with our vote. I am voting for Johnson this year because I would vote Rep. after the RNC. If RP would have went 3rd party he would still have it. I'm tired of the 2 party system anyways. He might get 10% here in Ohio and that's fine,then hopefully there's 3 parties from now on. There's a bunch of Libertarians here pretending to be Rep. I will not vote either dem./rep. again as long as I live.
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I'm voting Johnson, as well. It only makes sense from where I've come.
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Re: Why Did The Ron Paul Re3volution Completely Fail?
I think it is partially due to Ron Paul's son, Rand, coming out and saying he endorsed Romney. Lots of people became extremely suspicious of them after that.

Plus, afterwards, many of Pauls campaign contributors, myself included, started getting emails from Romney's campaign. It was like he sold his list to Romney or something. Scary in my opinion.
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I was really disappointed in Rand too. At that point it seemed to take a strange turn.
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If that was my son...well, he wouldn't be my son anymore.Such disloyalty.

But then, another answer is that maybe they both got taken aside and offered Sec of State/Sec of Health type jobs with whoever gets in next.
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Re: Why Did The Ron Paul Re3volution Completely Fail?
Ron Paul lost a race he knew he couldnt win.

RNC changed the rules because they saw him gaining popularity.

Ron Paul exposed them of thier frauds. Thats not a win, but at least it helped many americans see the truth, so thats not a complete failure either.
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Re: Why Did The Ron Paul Re3volution Completely Fail?
Ron Paul had breakfast with Ben Bernanke, then two days later suspended his campaign. It's always been obvious to me, he sold us out, just like the rest of them.

Maybe I SHOULD vote for Roseanne ...
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Thread: The deal is done, Power (election) goes to Romney (Page 2)

That is why.
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I will make it real short, Old man Bush is dictator in a hidden dictatorship.
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Ron Paul had breakfast with Ben Bernanke, then two days later suspended his campaign. It's always been obvious to me, he sold us out, just like the rest of them.

Maybe I SHOULD vote for Roseanne ...
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Why don't you tell us what happened during that breakfast that made you believe he sold us out.

Waiting...
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Re: Why Did The Ron Paul Re3volution Completely Fail?
Becuase he didn't get elected thats why.

It was all just a sham to diverge the overflowing energy of the 'conspiracy therorists' and people pissed off with the two party system.
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You meant to say selected right?