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Series of shell explosions in Central Russia, plumes of smoke rising - Was it Nuclear?

 
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20-1 that's a nuke..........
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So wheres the EMP to knockout that camera? Hmmm?
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Because this is at ground level the affects of a EMP would'nt be nearly as far spread as a Atmospheric Detonation.

At 40Km distance from a Ground Level Atomic Blast the EMP effects would be non specific in term of areas affected and there would be a good chance there would close to none at this distance.

I am not saying however that this is a Atomic Detonation,I'm just sayin'.
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20-1 that's a nuke..........
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So wheres the EMP to knockout that camera? Hmmm?
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Not just common rounds. That does look nuclear.
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There has been pretty large conventional explosions...

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ooooooooooohhhhhh. TNT don't make mushroom clouds........
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Hello CP - TNT can make a Mushroom Cloud - It would depend on whether the explosives were under high pressure before detonation.

But,it does look suspicious..though the fact that we are seeing this leads me to think that it more than likely is'nt a Nuclear Detonation..I could be wrong though : ?
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Re: Series of shell explosions in Central Russia, plumes of smoke rising - Was it Nuclear?
So,from what I see it looks like one initial *Detonation* that caused this explosion..the fact that there is a lot of White Smoke tells me it is possibly due to Water Vapour from the *Detonation* - I think you can see where I may be going with this : )

Was there only one explosion?

If so then I'd say(if it is a Ammo Dump)that it was deliberate..but it looks like a small Atomic Explosion to me..anyone else!?
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white smoke can be produced by many types of explosives - e.g. pendrit, peroxyde based explosives, hydrazine and oxygen mixture, etc. Black smoke is typical for e.g. TNT.
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Ok people that is a nuke.
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don't be a moron.

If that WAS a nuke that folk couldn't be there filming it - he would be DEAD.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 25187362


That is %100 incorrect.
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Ok people that is a nuke.
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don't be a moron.

If that WAS a nuke that folk couldn't be there filming it - he would be DEAD.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 25187362


That is %100 incorrect.
 Quoting: Spittin'Cesium


hey cesium.. does depend on whether it is a nikko or a cannon camera tho :P

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Thousands fled when two villages were evacuated following a series of huge explosions near a military testing ground some 40 kilometers from the city of Orenburg in Central Russia.

­Witnesses recorded video of a massive plume of smoke rising into the air shortly after the explosions. Local residents said that the blasts were powerful enough to cause windows to shake dozens of kilometers away from the epicenter.


Initial reports suggested that a fire at the facility’s loading dock set off shells stored for disposal on a train. Local hospitals reported that four people were injured in the blast, and said they expected the number of injuries to increase.

[link to rt.com]
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Local russian news says terrorist attack . Arrests have been made. Watch for a serious response.
Wonder which country got caught with its pants down. Keep your eyes peeled for a mushroom cloud near you.
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Re: Series of shell explosions in Central Russia, plumes of smoke rising - Was it Nuclear?
So,from what I see it looks like one initial *Detonation* that caused this explosion..the fact that there is a lot of White Smoke tells me it is possibly due to Water Vapour from the *Detonation* - I think you can see where I may be going with this : )

Was there only one explosion?

If so then I'd say(if it is a Ammo Dump)that it was deliberate..but it looks like a small Atomic Explosion to me..anyone else!?
 Quoting: Spittin'Cesium


white smoke can be produced by many types of explosives - e.g. pendrit, peroxyde based explosives, hydrazine and oxygen mixture, etc. Black smoke is typical for e.g. TNT.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 24869508


Thank you,I am aware though.

My reason for commenting that it looks like Water Vapour is due to the initial reporting that this is a regular munitions dump explosion and I only see one explosion and very little smoke of any other Colour - Though there is a Greyish bank of Smoke around the bottom of the apparent mushroom type cloud that could well be the fire that caused this.

It is a little strange that it seems all the munitions went up in one explosion?

I'll have to wait to see if there are reports of multiple explosions..I'm not saying it is Atomic just commenting that it looks like a very large singular Detonation.
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Thousands fled when two villages were evacuated following a series of huge explosions near a military testing ground some 40 kilometers from the city of Orenburg in Central Russia.

­Witnesses recorded video of a massive plume of smoke rising into the air shortly after the explosions. Local residents said that the blasts were powerful enough to cause windows to shake dozens of kilometers away from the epicenter.


Initial reports suggested that a fire at the facility’s loading dock set off shells stored for disposal on a train. Local hospitals reported that four people were injured in the blast, and said they expected the number of injuries to increase.

[link to rt.com]
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Putin is with war cabinet. This looks like its SHTF time/!
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Thousands fled when two villages were evacuated following a series of huge explosions near a military testing ground some 40 kilometers from the city of Orenburg in Central Russia.

­Witnesses recorded video of a massive plume of smoke rising into the air shortly after the explosions. Local residents said that the blasts were powerful enough to cause windows to shake dozens of kilometers away from the epicenter.


Initial reports suggested that a fire at the facility’s loading dock set off shells stored for disposal on a train. Local hospitals reported that four people were injured in the blast, and said they expected the number of injuries to increase.

[link to rt.com]
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Local russian news says terrorist attack . Arrests have been made. Watch for a serious response.
Wonder which country got caught with its pants down. Keep your eyes peeled for a mushroom cloud near you.
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"military testing ground" from the russians.. dear god.. 6 head sheep next.... lol
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Ok people that is a nuke.
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Way way too small for Russian nuke.
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Thousands fled when two villages were evacuated following a series of huge explosions near a military testing ground some 40 kilometers from the city of Orenburg in Central Russia.

­Witnesses recorded video of a massive plume of smoke rising into the air shortly after the explosions. Local residents said that the blasts were powerful enough to cause windows to shake dozens of kilometers away from the epicenter.


Initial reports suggested that a fire at the facility’s loading dock set off shells stored for disposal on a train. Local hospitals reported that four people were injured in the blast, and said they expected the number of injuries to increase.

[link to rt.com]
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Local russian news says terrorist attack . Arrests have been made. Watch for a serious response.
Wonder which country got caught with its pants down. Keep your eyes peeled for a mushroom cloud near you.
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I bet on China
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Well, it is a testing site... And they drink lots of vodka in Russia. Add 2 + 2
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Would expect a stupid comment from an Amerikan. At least they dont test there nukes on other countries da ?
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Ok people that is a nuke.
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don't be a moron.

If that WAS a nuke that folk couldn't be there filming it - he would be DEAD.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 25187362


That is %100 incorrect.
 Quoting: Spittin'Cesium


hey cesium.. does depend on whether it is a nikko or a cannon camera tho :P
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Sorry Brother - That one went straight over my head piece - Run it by me again..why now!?

Lol : )
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Thousands fled when two villages were evacuated following a series of huge explosions near a military testing ground some 40 kilometers from the city of Orenburg in Central Russia.

­Witnesses recorded video of a massive plume of smoke rising into the air shortly after the explosions. Local residents said that the blasts were powerful enough to cause windows to shake dozens of kilometers away from the epicenter.


Initial reports suggested that a fire at the facility’s loading dock set off shells stored for disposal on a train. Local hospitals reported that four people were injured in the blast, and said they expected the number of injuries to increase.

[link to rt.com]
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Putin is with war cabinet. This looks like its SHTF time/!
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Incoming on your shill head! Duck!
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don't be a moron.

If that WAS a nuke that folk couldn't be there filming it - he would be DEAD.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 25187362


That is %100 incorrect.
 Quoting: Spittin'Cesium


hey cesium.. does depend on whether it is a nikko or a cannon camera tho :P
 Quoting: citizenperth


Sorry Brother - That one went straight over my head piece - Run it by me again..why now!?

Lol : )
 Quoting: Spittin'Cesium


oops.. forgot the quote.. was talking about being dead if you were caming... i was thinking distance + zoom lense = shock wave + time = distance....

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Thousands fled when two villages were evacuated following a series of huge explosions near a military testing ground some 40 kilometers from the city of Orenburg in Central Russia.

­Witnesses recorded video of a massive plume of smoke rising into the air shortly after the explosions. Local residents said that the blasts were powerful enough to cause windows to shake dozens of kilometers away from the epicenter.


Initial reports suggested that a fire at the facility’s loading dock set off shells stored for disposal on a train. Local hospitals reported that four people were injured in the blast, and said they expected the number of injuries to increase.

[link to rt.com]
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Putin is with war cabinet. This looks like its SHTF time/!
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And so it begins...

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Thousands fled when two villages were evacuated following a series of huge explosions near a military testing ground some 40 kilometers from the city of Orenburg in Central Russia.

­Witnesses recorded video of a massive plume of smoke rising into the air shortly after the explosions. Local residents said that the blasts were powerful enough to cause windows to shake dozens of kilometers away from the epicenter.


Initial reports suggested that a fire at the facility’s loading dock set off shells stored for disposal on a train. Local hospitals reported that four people were injured in the blast, and said they expected the number of injuries to increase.

[link to rt.com]
 Quoting: Person445


Local russian news says terrorist attack . Arrests have been made. Watch for a serious response.
Wonder which country got caught with its pants down. Keep your eyes peeled for a mushroom cloud near you.
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Turkey! Turkey! let it be Turkey!!!
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Thousands fled when two villages were evacuated following a series of huge explosions near a military testing ground some 40 kilometers from the city of Orenburg in Central Russia.

­Witnesses recorded video of a massive plume of smoke rising into the air shortly after the explosions. Local residents said that the blasts were powerful enough to cause windows to shake dozens of kilometers away from the epicenter.


Initial reports suggested that a fire at the facility’s loading dock set off shells stored for disposal on a train. Local hospitals reported that four people were injured in the blast, and said they expected the number of injuries to increase.

[link to rt.com]
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Putin is with war cabinet. This looks like its SHTF time/!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 25075023


This sounds very fishy,here -

'Initial reports suggested that a fire at the facility’s loading dock set off shells stored for disposal on a train.

That statement was later disputed by the Press Service of Russia’s Defense Ministry, which claimed no one was injured or went missing in the incident. The ministry also denied that a train loaded with shells was at the testing range
, saying only three shells exploded.

A local Central hospital first reported that four people were injured in the blast, and said they expected the number of injuries to increase. However, adding to the controversy, the deputy chief doctor later denied that the hospital had accepted any patients in connection with the incident.

Local resident Oksana Kovarnitskih however told RT that many emergency vehicles were seen arriving at the scene of the blast and returning to a nearby hospital, presumably carrying people injured in the incident. Kovarnitskih had not heard any official confirmation of the injuries, though.

We were 50 kilometers away from the explosion, it was really loud, our ceiling shook and some of the tiles came down,” she said. “No more explosions are heard right now but smoke is all over, we are not sure what is going on.”
[link to rt.com]

Hmmm?
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You're pretty
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You guys scream doom and panic about everything!

MOSCOW (AP) — A series of explosions rocked a Russian military test site on Tuesday, releasing giant clouds of smoke over the city of Orenburg near the Kazakhstan border and causing aftershocks.

Police closed the roads leading into Orenburg, halted trains and evacuated thousands of residents from three villages near the test site.

Yuri Berg, the governor of the surrounding region, wrote on his blog that the three explosions were caused by unplanned shell detonations. He said emergency services saw no potential harm to local residents.

Orenburg city officials said that the shells exploded inside a supply depot. Though no victims have been reported, Orenburg emergency services dispatched 14 ambulances to the Donguz test site and prepared facilities for the evacuated villagers and any potential victims.

Military officials have launched a criminal investigation into the suspected mishandling of weapons, the RIA Novosti news agency reported.

Russian military equipment, which frequently dates back to the Soviet era, has exploded unexpectedly several times at test sites in recent years. President Vladimir Putin has pledged to overhaul and modernize the country’s stagnant defense industry.

[link to www.boston.com]
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Finally it begins. Tomorrow the nukes will be flying all over the place. The greatest survival game mankind has ever known is beginning. It's every man/woman for himself, prepare your anuses.
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You guys scream doom and panic about everything!

MOSCOW (AP) — A series of explosions rocked a Russian military test site on Tuesday, releasing giant clouds of smoke over the city of Orenburg near the Kazakhstan border and causing aftershocks.

Police closed the roads leading into Orenburg, halted trains and evacuated thousands of residents from three villages near the test site.

Yuri Berg, the governor of the surrounding region, wrote on his blog that the three explosions were caused by unplanned shell detonations. He said emergency services saw no potential harm to local residents.

Orenburg city officials said that the shells exploded inside a supply depot. Though no victims have been reported, Orenburg emergency services dispatched 14 ambulances to the Donguz test site and prepared facilities for the evacuated villagers and any potential victims.

Military officials have launched a criminal investigation into the suspected mishandling of weapons, the RIA Novosti news agency reported.

Russian military equipment, which frequently dates back to the Soviet era, has exploded unexpectedly several times at test sites in recent years. President Vladimir Putin has pledged to overhaul and modernize the country’s stagnant defense industry.

[link to www.boston.com]
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Russian military equipment, which frequently dates back to the Soviet era

that's the worry....
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At least 4,000 tons of shells exploded near a military testing ground around 40 kilometers from the Central Russian city of Orenburg, prompting a mass evacuation of two nearby settlements.
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Thousands fled when two villages were evacuated following a series of huge explosions near a military testing ground some 40 kilometers from the city of Orenburg in Central Russia.

­Witnesses recorded video of a massive plume of smoke rising into the air shortly after the explosions. Local residents said that the blasts were powerful enough to cause windows to shake dozens of kilometers away from the epicenter.


Initial reports suggested that a fire at the facility’s loading dock set off shells stored for disposal on a train. Local hospitals reported that four people were injured in the blast, and said they expected the number of injuries to increase.

[link to rt.com]
 Quoting: Person445


Putin is with war cabinet. This looks like its SHTF time/!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 25075023


This sounds very fishy,here -

'Initial reports suggested that a fire at the facility’s loading dock set off shells stored for disposal on a train.

That statement was later disputed by the Press Service of Russia’s Defense Ministry, which claimed no one was injured or went missing in the incident. The ministry also denied that a train loaded with shells was at the testing range
, saying only three shells exploded.

A local Central hospital first reported that four people were injured in the blast, and said they expected the number of injuries to increase. However, adding to the controversy, the deputy chief doctor later denied that the hospital had accepted any patients in connection with the incident.

Local resident Oksana Kovarnitskih however told RT that many emergency vehicles were seen arriving at the scene of the blast and returning to a nearby hospital, presumably carrying people injured in the incident. Kovarnitskih had not heard any official confirmation of the injuries, though.

We were 50 kilometers away from the explosion, it was really loud, our ceiling shook and some of the tiles came down,” she said. “No more explosions are heard right now but smoke is all over, we are not sure what is going on.”
[link to rt.com]

Hmmm?
 Quoting: Spittin'Cesium


You guys scream doom and panic about everything!

MOSCOW (AP) — A series of explosions rocked a Russian military test site on Tuesday, releasing giant clouds of smoke over the city of Orenburg near the Kazakhstan border and causing aftershocks.

Police closed the roads leading into Orenburg, halted trains and evacuated thousands of residents from three villages near the test site.

Yuri Berg, the governor of the surrounding region, wrote on his blog that the three explosions were caused by unplanned shell detonations. He said emergency services saw no potential harm to local residents.

Orenburg city officials said that the shells exploded inside a supply depot. Though no victims have been reported, Orenburg emergency services dispatched 14 ambulances to the Donguz test site and prepared facilities for the evacuated villagers and any potential victims.

Military officials have launched a criminal investigation into the suspected mishandling of weapons, the RIA Novosti news agency reported.

Russian military equipment, which frequently dates back to the Soviet era, has exploded unexpectedly several times at test sites in recent years. President Vladimir Putin has pledged to overhaul and modernize the country’s stagnant defense industry.

[link to www.boston.com]
 Quoting: NODOOM


Compare.
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Finally it begins. Tomorrow the nukes will be flying all over the place. The greatest survival game mankind has ever known is beginning. It's every man/woman for himself, prepare your anuses.
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Finland must be a rough fuckin place man, good luck to you.
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Explosion in a military testing ground.




Durrrr i wonda why that happened?
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