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Series of shell explosions in Central Russia, plumes of smoke rising - Was it Nuclear?

 
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I highly doubt this was a nuke (98% its not, 2% becouse Russians can do Chernobyl type of things)

Still this cloud looks pretty awesome.. and scary
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remember those same type explosions in Iran
less than a yr ago ???
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i guess it was a nuke.

comon pepole...dont you think russia would secure the weapons?
no way for a simultanous explosion of 4000 tons of conventional weapons.
this was ONE SINGLE BLAST so it has to be a nuke.
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That all so crossed my mind, how could that amount of hardware all go up at the same time, I mean its not as if it were a box of fireworks.
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If it were some type of attack Russia would have no problem with saying so and also stating those responsible would pay. So I say no attack! It was an accident.
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Thermobaric/fuel-air.....not a nuke.

[link to en.wikipedia.org]
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The big concern is the fact that it happened and who is responsible....
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Seeing as how Russia has a history of gassing innocents and shooting hostages just to nail a handful of terrorists, I wouldn't be surprised if they did it themselves and will blame it on Al-Queada in order to justify engagement in Syria.
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Re: Series of shell explosions in Central Russia, plumes of smoke rising - Was it Nuclear?
If no one died, then who/what caused the explosion? Just random?
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its obviously a terrorist attack....this should really escalate things a bit. Watch for another attack on turkey tomorrow so they can respond and russia will join in the and position troops that are in tartus
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+ the other blast in Daghestan this morning.
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2 different explosions in the same day
is not an accident

that's an act of war
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exactly...yoda
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If it were some type of attack Russia would have no problem with saying so and also stating those responsible would pay. So I say no attack! It was an accident.
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some times it's better to say a lie

than to admit one is impotent to
protect his country
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Re: Series of shell explosions in Central Russia, plumes of smoke rising - Was it Nuclear?
I wish I lived in Russia.
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Bombs are not happy just sitting around doing nothing.
They want to go boom! So now the former bombs are happy.
We should stop making the damn things, they just destroy stuff and kill people. Big waste of our money, big waste period.

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But look at the bigger picture. Bombs go boom... Need to make more bombs to go boom. Create Jobs... Also builds economy... More people eat at Mc. Donalds, more beef sold.. More Happy Children... = Bombs makeHappy Children..peace
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If no one died, then who/what caused the explosion? Just random?
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According to the command, a total of four tons of missiles exploded, including 1.379 thousand of 100-mm missiles, 400 tones of air bombs and 2.3 thousand of 280-mm self-propelled Uragan rockets,” the statement said.

All that going of at the same time, and nobody was killed, this whole story, sounds like the start of a Russian Black Flag, none of it makes sense, the way they all went up together at the same time, stories of nobody killed etc.
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Re: Series of shell explosions in Central Russia, plumes of smoke rising - Was it Nuclear?
remember those same type explosions in Iran
less than a yr ago ???
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i guess it was a nuke.

comon pepole...dont you think russia would secure the weapons?
no way for a simultanous explosion of 4000 tons of conventional weapons.
this was ONE SINGLE BLAST so it has to be a nuke.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 25090892


That all so crossed my mind, how could that amount of hardware all go up at the same time, I mean its not as if it were a box of fireworks.
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If it were some type of attack Russia would have no problem with saying so and also stating those responsible would pay. So I say no attack! It was an accident.
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it just happened. Im sure their government has to look into it and if they find out it wasnt an "accident" they then have to find out who did it.another do
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Re: Series of shell explosions in Central Russia, plumes of smoke rising - Was it Nuclear?
I'd say it's higly unlikely to have a terrorist attack on a military storage facility.

If anything, it' a spec op (excluding, of course normal accidents)
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a special operation done by another countries military is still an act of terror...Im going to assume it was either a western european country or the U.S
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you get my point. Any sort of paramilitary group (jihadists, ultra-nationalists, fundamentalists of whatever inclination) probably isn't equiped nor trained to pull it off.

If that 4K tons of stored material is true, I really doubt such facility would be understaffed or poorly surveiled -- by any means, it's a small fortune in weapons...
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Re: Series of shell explosions in Central Russia, plumes of smoke rising - Was it Nuclear?
Thermobaric/fuel-air.....not a nuke.

[link to en.wikipedia.org]
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The big concern is the fact that it happened and who is responsible....
 Quoting: Nlightened


Seeing as how Russia has a history of gassing innocents and shooting hostages just to nail a handful of terrorists, I wouldn't be surprised if they did it themselves and will blame it on Al-Queada in order to justify engagement in Syria.
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there cheaper ways to create a false flag... way cheaper...
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Re: Series of shell explosions in Central Russia, plumes of smoke rising - Was it Nuclear?
Thermobaric/fuel-air.....not a nuke.

[link to en.wikipedia.org]
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The big concern is the fact that it happened and who is responsible....
 Quoting: Nlightened


Seeing as how Russia has a history of gassing innocents and shooting hostages just to nail a handful of terrorists, I wouldn't be surprised if they did it themselves and will blame it on Al-Queada in order to justify engagement in Syria.
 Quoting: skeptic 8198777


there cheaper ways to create a false flag... way cheaper...
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depends on who you wanted
to blame it on
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Re: Series of shell explosions in Central Russia, plumes of smoke rising - Was it Nuclear?
Ground level? Underground storage? Bunker? Not so big.
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let's put this into perspective.

a single standard size pick-up truck holds
2 tons.

it would require 2,000 pick-up trucks
to carry that much ordinance.
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i thought it was 4 tons. Is it 4 kilotons?
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yes
it is 4 KT
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so your telling me that 8 million pounds of weapons just blew up? it would be a much larger explosion than that i feel....bsflag
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I'd say it's higly unlikely to have a terrorist attack on a military storage facility.

If anything, it' a spec op (excluding, of course normal accidents)
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 25237073


a special operation done by another countries military is still an act of terror...Im going to assume it was either a western european country or the U.S
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you get my point. Any sort of paramilitary group (jihadists, ultra-nationalists, fundamentalists of whatever inclination) probably isn't equiped nor trained to pull it off.

If that 4K tons of stored material is true, I really doubt such facility would be understaffed or poorly surveiled -- by any means, it's a small fortune in weapons...
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false. the same thing happened in iran less than a year ago. it happened on 11/11/11. An Ammunition compound that was in a highly secure area was infiltrated and destroyed. same thing happened here. Dont under estimate tptb.
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The big concern is the fact that it happened and who is responsible....
 Quoting: Nlightened


Seeing as how Russia has a history of gassing innocents and shooting hostages just to nail a handful of terrorists, I wouldn't be surprised if they did it themselves and will blame it on Al-Queada in order to justify engagement in Syria.
 Quoting: skeptic 8198777


there cheaper ways to create a false flag... way cheaper...
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 25237073


depends on who you wanted
to blame it on
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They might not have ACTUALLY destroyed such an assortment of munitions....all they have to do is SAY it, and detonate a massive thermobaric munition in the 4kt range.
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false. the same thing happened in iran less than a year ago. it happened on 11/11/11. An Ammunition compound that was in a highly secure area was infiltrated and destroyed. same thing happened here. Dont under estimate tptb.
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Iran blamed Israel and the US for that one.
If Russia blames Israel and the US for this ....
there's gonna be a war shortly
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Donguz to Orenburg is over 30km that's a big mushroom cloud from 30km.
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The big concern is the fact that it happened and who is responsible....
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Seeing as how Russia has a history of gassing innocents and shooting hostages just to nail a handful of terrorists, I wouldn't be surprised if they did it themselves and will blame it on Al-Queada in order to justify engagement in Syria.
 Quoting: skeptic 8198777


there cheaper ways to create a false flag... way cheaper...
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 25237073


depends on who you wanted
to blame it on
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not really. I doub't you could convince anyone in any agency to explode 4 thousand tonnes of weapons to create a very contained false flag -- that town seems to be small and remote. One small device in a more populated city would make a starker statement, and generate a lot more publicity.

I pretty much set mind on accident, just because it doesn't add up otherwise (too expensive, too little publicity...). Of course, I'm considering a small chance for sabotage as well.
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That is bloody massive gasp
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Seeing as how Russia has a history of gassing innocents and shooting hostages just to nail a handful of terrorists, I wouldn't be surprised if they did it themselves and will blame it on Al-Queada in order to justify engagement in Syria.
 Quoting: skeptic 8198777


there cheaper ways to create a false flag... way cheaper...
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 25237073


depends on who you wanted
to blame it on
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 9300712


not really. I doub't you could convince anyone in any agency to explode 4 thousand tonnes of weapons to create a very contained false flag -- that town seems to be small and remote. One small device in a more populated city would make a starker statement, and generate a lot more publicity.

I pretty much set mind on accident, just because it doesn't add up otherwise (too expensive, too little publicity...). Of course, I'm considering a small chance for sabotage as well.
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Agree. Most likely Israel took out a shipment meant for Iran.
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I pretty much set mind on accident, just because it doesn't add up otherwise
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and you are not seeing

there were 2 different explosions
in 2 different cities


that is not an accident !!!
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Here's the RT story:

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Russian CSI is on it.

Investigators deployed to the scene to determine the cause of the incident, which was classified as a “violation of rules of handling weapons and objects posing increased danger,” carrying a maximum penalty of two years in prison. Officials said that a full investigation may take more than a month.
 Quoting: RT

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Seeing as how Russia has a history of gassing innocents and shooting hostages just to nail a handful of terrorists, I wouldn't be surprised if they did it themselves and will blame it on Al-Queada in order to justify engagement in Syria.
 Quoting: skeptic 8198777


there cheaper ways to create a false flag... way cheaper...
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 25237073


depends on who you wanted
to blame it on
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 9300712


They might not have ACTUALLY destroyed such an assortment of munitions....all they have to do is SAY it, and detonate a massive thermobaric munition in the 4kt range.
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I was defending arguments for why the russians wouldn't do it themselves (FalseFlag type of thing).
Said that, I completely agree with you that a nation state could pull it off (especially Israel or USA). I was commenting about paramilitaries and how they probably couldn't.
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More than 4,000 tons of shells exploded near a military testing ground some 40 kilometers from the city of Orenburg in Central Russia, prompting the mass evacuation of two nearby towns.
Those 4,000 tons included 1,379 tons of 100mm shells, 400 tons of air bombs and 2,300 tons of 280mm reactive shells, the head of the military investigative committee announced.
Witnesses recorded video of a massive plume of smoke rising into the air shortly after the explosions. Local residents said that the blasts were powerful enough to rattle windows dozens of kilometers away from the epicenter.
The press secretary for the regional government said that three residential buildings in the town of Pervomaisky were damaged in the incident, and that the force of the explosion blew out the windows of many local houses.
Local emergency services confirmed that the blast wave from the explosions also blew out the windows of schools, kindergartens and a hospital.
The explosions sparked a brushfire in 15-20 hectares of nearby dead grass. Authorities said that the fire does not threaten populated areas.
Explosions prompt evacuations
Rescue workers immediately began evacuating the nearby towns of Experimentalny and Pervomaisky, dubbed ‘Donguz’ for the garrison of the same name located there.
Initial reports suggested that 700 of the 10,000 people living in the two towns were evacuated. However, according to the latest estimates, 19 people were forced to leave their homes and move to four evacuation centers, where they were provided with hot food and water.
Witnesses from the town of Donguz told RT they are being removed from the area, and claimed they saw a large number of military vehicles, ambulances, emergency workers, communication officers and repair workers heading to the site. Authorities are phoning local residents, explaining the situation and asking them to remain calm. Buses were dispatched to transport residents away from the area.
“I was at home when it happened, about five kilometers from the blast. Everyone came out of their houses right away, emergency vehicles came right after warning people that there will be [an] evacuation. Right now the village is evacuated,” Donguz resident Valeri Utkin told RT. “Buses arrived to take most of the people and others chose to take higher ground through their own means. They didn’t tell us how long the evacuation will last. Right now I see a lot of smoke coming in.”
The state of emergency for the area announced after the accident remains in effect.
Twitter users reported that police have closed the roads leaving Orenburg. Local authorities confirmed these reports.
Russian Railways announced that they restored railway communication in the area after a temporary disruption due to the incident.

Controversy surrounding the explosions
Initial reports suggested that a fire at the facility’s loading dock set off shells stored on a train for disposal.
That statement was later disputed by the Press Service of Russia’s Defense Ministry, which claimed that no one was injured or went missing in the incident. The ministry also denied that a train loaded with shells was at the testing range, saying only three shells exploded. It was later revealed that over 4,000 tons of shells detonated.
A local hospital first reported that four people were injured in the blast, and said they expected the number of injuries to increase. However, the deputy chief doctor later denied that the hospital had accepted any patients in connection with the incident.
Local resident Oksana Kovarnitskih told RT that many emergency vehicles were seen arriving at the scene of the blast and returning to a nearby hospital, presumably carrying people injured in the incident. Kovarnitskih had not heard any official confirmation of the injuries, though.
“We were 50 kilometers away from the explosion, it was really loud, our ceiling shook and some of the tiles came down,” she said. “No more explosions are heard right now but smoke is all over, we are not sure what is going on.”
Anxious comments about the aftermath of the explosions circulated on the Internet. Dunguz resident Valentina Aramova said the explosions were so powerful that some trees fell, the local Orenburg ‘56-media’ website reported.
“At the local market the trading stalls folded up like playing cards,” she said. “Children are being evacuated from kindergartens and schools. Everyone is being asked to go far into the steppe. The whole of Dunguz is in plumes of black smoke.”
The local Health Ministry reported that no one was injured and hospitalized in the explosions. The main nearby hospital also told RT that they had not received any injured people.
Military investigators opened a criminal case into the incident, a spokesperson for the investigation department told RIA-Novosti news agency.
Investigators deployed to the scene to determine the cause of the incident, which was classified as a “violation of rules of handling weapons and objects posing increased danger,” carrying a maximum penalty of two years in prison. Officials said that a full investigation may take more than a month.
Other military-related accidental explosions have occurred in the region. On September 27, a missile disposal group commander was killed during disposal work at the Totsk testing range. On September 13, two military service members were injured in an accidental missile explosion at the Donguz testing range. Two more soldiers were injured during disposal efforts at Donguz on August 30.

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Now they know we arnt fucking around. Tactial warfare.
Boom Doom.
4 days
bye
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So a ammo dump was blown up. Big deal. They have 100s of silos with warheads of chemical and biological cocktails with our names on it.
The objective is what?
Great another date, 4 days for what?
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Russian CSI is on it.

Investigators deployed to the scene to determine the cause of the incident, which was classified as a “violation of rules of handling weapons and objects posing increased danger,” carrying a maximum penalty of two years in prison. Officials said that a full investigation may take more than a month.
 Quoting: RT

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oh great

a Russian version of a 9/11 Commission Report

I bet that will be full of nothing but facts
/sarcasm
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So would you blow the rockets first or the HE bombs first? Since there were two explosions.
I was defending arguments for why the russians wouldn't do it themselves (FalseFlag type of thing).
Said that, I completely agree with you that a nation state could pull it off (especially Israel or USA). I was commenting about paramilitaries and how they probably couldn't.
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Yeah, but I bet they go thru a lot of bottles of Vodka...
Russian CSI is on it.

Investigators deployed to the scene to determine the cause of the incident, which was classified as a “violation of rules of handling weapons and objects posing increased danger,” carrying a maximum penalty of two years in prison. Officials said that a full investigation may take more than a month.
 Quoting: RT

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oh great

a Russian version of a 9/11 Commission Report

I bet that will be full of nothing but facts
/sarcasm
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