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Series of shell explosions in Central Russia, plumes of smoke rising - Was it Nuclear?

 
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When you consider how dangerous all of this military munitions crap really is and how volatile a lot of it becomes when it's been sittting around for a few decades, it is pretty amazing that more of these incidents do not occur more often.
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there cheaper ways to create a false flag... way cheaper...
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depends on who you wanted
to blame it on
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They might not have ACTUALLY destroyed such an assortment of munitions....all they have to do is SAY it, and detonate a massive thermobaric munition in the 4kt range.
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I was defending arguments for why the russians wouldn't do it themselves (FalseFlag type of thing).
Said that, I completely agree with you that a nation state could pull it off (especially Israel or USA). I was commenting about paramilitaries and how they probably couldn't.
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All I was saying was that Russia would only have to detonate a huge explosion in some remote area, claim it was "terrorists" (USA/Israel, to them) destroying a munitions dump, and have a perfect excuse to hunt down the "terrorists," which in this case is the Western meddling in Syria/Iran. But either way, I do tend to see this as a false flag-type event.
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Re: Series of shell explosions in Central Russia, plumes of smoke rising - Was it Nuclear?
So would you blow the rockets first or the HE bombs first? Since there were two explosions.
I was defending arguments for why the russians wouldn't do it themselves (FalseFlag type of thing).
Said that, I completely agree with you that a nation state could pull it off (especially Israel or USA). I was commenting about paramilitaries and how they probably couldn't.
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I would stay home a catch up to some porn.
I don't like to blow things up XD

I'm still leaning towards accident, but that other incident (Mahachkala) surely adds to the confusion.
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Whats the point? This happend dozen Of times before, in russia and in other countries
Yes accidents with dangerous stuff happen thats why they are dangerous
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Whats the point? This happend dozen Of times before, in russia and in other countries
Yes accidents with dangerous stuff happen thats why they are dangerous
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not 2 accidents in 2 different cities
at the same exact time.

that is NOT an accident

kinda like 2 planes flying
into buildings at the same time
was no accident
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So would you blow the rockets first or the HE bombs first? Since there were two explosions.
I was defending arguments for why the russians wouldn't do it themselves (FalseFlag type of thing).
Said that, I completely agree with you that a nation state could pull it off (especially Israel or USA). I was commenting about paramilitaries and how they probably couldn't.
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I would stay home a catch up to some porn.
I don't like to blow things up XD

I'm still leaning towards accident, but that other incident (Mahachkala) surely adds to the confusion.
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US Infidelis
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When you consider how dangerous all of this military munitions crap really is and how volatile a lot of it becomes when it's been sittting around for a few decades, it is pretty amazing that more of these incidents do not occur more often.
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no doubt...

Never forget that your weapon was made by the lowest bidder!
I'm only human, it's my biggest flaw.

We must all realize a sink a chair and a pillow are all luxuries of home and a soldiers helmet takes the place of all three.
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depends on who you wanted
to blame it on
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They might not have ACTUALLY destroyed such an assortment of munitions....all they have to do is SAY it, and detonate a massive thermobaric munition in the 4kt range.
 Quoting: skeptic 8198777


I was defending arguments for why the russians wouldn't do it themselves (FalseFlag type of thing).
Said that, I completely agree with you that a nation state could pull it off (especially Israel or USA). I was commenting about paramilitaries and how they probably couldn't.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 25237073


All I was saying was that Russia would only have to detonate a huge explosion in some remote area, claim it was "terrorists" (USA/Israel, to them) destroying a munitions dump, and have a perfect excuse to hunt down the "terrorists," which in this case is the Western meddling in Syria/Iran. But either way, I do tend to see this as a false flag-type event.
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I see your point, but to detonate a very small improvised bomb in a cafe at the center of a big town would generate a lot more publicity (the very intent of a FF) and galvanize the population much more effectively than a iffy explosion in a remote town -- that (true or not) could easily be dismissed as a simple accident.
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[link to www.youtube.com]

Iran's nuclear material comes from Russia.
Their reactors were Russian made.
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whoa. now, i havent read the other 6 pages, but i though 'mushroomy' and 'hmmm, thats rather big' before i scrolled down and read the other comments


will nuclear doom be off by the time i get to page 7?



gaah
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They might not have ACTUALLY destroyed such an assortment of munitions....all they have to do is SAY it, and detonate a massive thermobaric munition in the 4kt range.
 Quoting: skeptic 8198777


I was defending arguments for why the russians wouldn't do it themselves (FalseFlag type of thing).
Said that, I completely agree with you that a nation state could pull it off (especially Israel or USA). I was commenting about paramilitaries and how they probably couldn't.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 25237073


All I was saying was that Russia would only have to detonate a huge explosion in some remote area, claim it was "terrorists" (USA/Israel, to them) destroying a munitions dump, and have a perfect excuse to hunt down the "terrorists," which in this case is the Western meddling in Syria/Iran. But either way, I do tend to see this as a false flag-type event.
 Quoting: skeptic 8198777


I see your point, but to detonate a very small improvised bomb in a cafe at the center of a big town would generate a lot more publicity (the very intent of a FF) and galvanize the population much more effectively than a iffy explosion in a remote town -- that (true or not) could easily be dismissed as a simple accident.
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yeah, but this is GLP!
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Re: Series of shell explosions in Central Russia, plumes of smoke rising - Was it Nuclear?
if it was nuclear wouldnt there be seismic data showing it to be?
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[link to www.youtube.com]

Iran's nuclear material comes from Russia.
Their reactors were Russian made.
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[link to www.youtube.com]
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Re: Series of shell explosions in Central Russia, plumes of smoke rising - Was it Nuclear?
nuke.

dont believe any official shit.

nuke.

sounded like a nuke

looked like a nuke

behaved like a nuke

felt like a nuke

msm reports about shit and no nuke

nuke
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Bombs are not happy just sitting around doing nothing.
They want to go boom! So now the former bombs are happy.
We should stop making the damn things, they just destroy stuff and kill people. Big waste of our money, big waste period.

Frater
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But look at the bigger picture. Bombs go boom... Need to make more bombs to go boom. Create Jobs... Also builds economy... More people eat at Mc. Donalds, more beef sold.. More Happy Children... = Bombs makeHappy Children..peace
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Thats whacked, but i gather sarcasm.

We can make other things, housing, cars, planes, recycling plants, infrastructure, thorium reactors...

Frater
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Re: Series of shell explosions in Central Russia, plumes of smoke rising - Was it Nuclear?
nuke.

dont believe any official shit.

nuke.

sounded like a nuke

looked like a nuke

behaved like a nuke

felt like a nuke

msm reports about shit and no nuke

nuke
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wouldn't there be a big fucking hole in the city if that were the case?
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wouldn't there be a big fucking hole in the city if that were the case?
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there was no hole at Hiroshima
due to mid-air explosion.
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Re: Series of shell explosions in Central Russia, plumes of smoke rising - Was it Nuclear?
nuke.

dont believe any official shit.

nuke.

sounded like a nuke

looked like a nuke

behaved like a nuke

felt like a nuke

msm reports about shit and no nuke

nuke
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 25231700


wouldn't there be a big fucking hole in the city if that were the case?
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you obviously have no clue about nukes. i guess around 4kt nuke nothing more. small nuke.
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Re: Series of shell explosions in Central Russia, plumes of smoke rising - Was it Nuclear?
that cloud looks like radiation dust
to me

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small nuke

looks like it

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why is this not in the MSM ???

CNN headlines has Sandusky on it ....
WTF ???
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I stayed home from work today, just needed a day off... then I come on here and see this! Maybe this is why. Has that second explosion been confirmed?
Maybe I should top off on my preps today just in case.
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Re: Series of shell explosions in Central Russia, plumes of smoke rising - Was it Nuclear?
nuke.

dont believe any official shit.

nuke.

sounded like a nuke

looked like a nuke

behaved like a nuke

felt like a nuke

msm reports about shit and no nuke

nuke
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 25231700


wouldn't there be a big fucking hole in the city if that were the case?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 25241365


you obviously have no clue about nukes. i guess around 4kt nuke nothing more. small nuke.
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I dont, thats why im asking
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why is this not in the MSM ???

CNN headlines has Sandusky on it ....
WTF ???
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Because if this is a terror attack on Russia MSM doesn't want panic. They want you to go to work and pay your bills just like any other day.
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Bombs are not happy just sitting around doing nothing.
They want to go boom! So now the former bombs are happy.
We should stop making the damn things, they just destroy stuff and kill people. Big waste of our money, big waste period.

Frater
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+ 1
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why is this not in the MSM ???

CNN headlines has Sandusky on it ....
WTF ???
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 9300712


Because if this is a terror attack on Russia MSM doesn't want panic. They want you to go to work and pay your bills just like any other day.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1841487


Why would a terror attack in Russia cause panic there? The Russians will just kick the shit out of the caucasus again if that's the case.

OH WAIT
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Re: Series of shell explosions in Central Russia, plumes of smoke rising - Was it Nuclear?
why is this not in the MSM ???

CNN headlines has Sandusky on it ....
WTF ???
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 9300712


Because if this is a terror attack on Russia MSM doesn't want panic. They want you to go to work and pay your bills just like any other day.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1841487


meanwhile
bombs drop on their heads

the sheep are so gullible
Nlightened
To See The Unseen..

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Bombs are not happy just sitting around doing nothing.
They want to go boom! So now the former bombs are happy.
We should stop making the damn things, they just destroy stuff and kill people. Big waste of our money, big waste period.

Frater
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But look at the bigger picture. Bombs go boom... Need to make more bombs to go boom. Create Jobs... Also builds economy... More people eat at Mc. Donalds, more beef sold.. More Happy Children... = Bombs makeHappy Children..peace
 Quoting: Nlightened


Thats whacked, but i gather sarcasm.

We can make other things, housing, cars, planes, recycling plants, infrastructure, thorium reactors...

Frater
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Yep Yep ... SARCASM at it's finest..lolsign
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Re: Series of shell explosions in Central Russia, plumes of smoke rising - Was it Nuclear?
Did they just blow the old shells up to save money on disposing of them? And try to cover it up?
Or was it an accident chain reaction?
4000 tonnes of shells going off at once does look like a nuclear detonation.
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