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PAGAN CHRISTIANS WHO TEACH FALSEHOOD OF THE LAW,FAITH AND WORKS

 
Neim-Ya'shar (OP)

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you continue to fragment the order of the messages from a whole if you go back to what you said earlier about the book of life .This was a response to your denial. not a response about what you just twisted it to be
 Quoting: Neim-Ya'shar


I do not deny that faith without works is dead.

I will refuse to accept however that we must perform a work of some kind to be saved. It is by faith and faith alone that we are justified and made right with God. Faith in the finished work of Jesus Christ. Faith in the Blood he shed for us. Faith in the complete fulfillment of the Law upon the cross of Calvary.

It is ONLY faith in Jesus that can save us. Once saved, we are to perform the good works that faith compels us to.
 Quoting: asparien


you must excercise the works the father expects of us love your neighbor vist the homelesss obey the commands forgiveness kindess love your enemies ..that is the works and the fruit of the spirit..Paul work was to preach and he was called to do this..The father gives us gifts and if you do not excersice these gifts to win people over by getting out and doing then you are a falure to his cause.

Messiah carried out the deeds of his father by his works and faith in the father

If you cant get this then you are shallow and lost
 Quoting: Neim-Ya'shar


Hang on, hang on... what point are you actually trying to make? I don't see anything different in what you just said and what you were responding to. You did not contest that we are saved by faith and you are reiterating that faith without works is dead.

I don't get it...
 Quoting: asparien


and you will not!
1 But these took this counsel among themselves, that they would leave the multitude of the heathen, and go forth into a further country, where never mankind dwelt,
42 That they might there keep their statutes, which they never kept in their own land.
43 And they entered into Euphrates by the narrow places of the river.
44 For the most High then shewed signs for them, and held still the flood, till they were passed over.
45 For through that country there was a great way to go, namely, of a year and a half: and the same region is called Arsareth.
46 Then dwelt they there until the latter time; and now when they shall begin to come,
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i will attempt to be honest:

it is virtually impossible to obey all that is commanded of us in the bible.

not that temptation/sin is so compelling/alluring

so much as the amout of stress, fatigue, and disorientation that accompanies living under the whole law:

we are demanded by the bible to

1. pray for 24 hours a day (...pray wthout ceasing..)
2. to never think evil thoughts
(bring all thoughts into servitude to christ)
3. to concentrate only on god and his will
(let your eye be single)
4. to follow in jesus' footsteps even to death
(pick up the cross and follow me)
5. to feed the hungry, clothe the naked, tithe, heal the sick, donate all our possessions to charity, fast, watch, pray, and preach/teach/etc......


this list has over a thousand points


thank you god for shortening it to just two:

1. love the one god with all your heart soul mind and strength
2. love your neighbors (including enemies) as yourself.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 12270678



You are entirely correct... We cannot fulfill the commandments of God. We are completely incapable. That is why the new covenant consists of belief in the Blood of Jesus. The Holy Spirit then gives us the ability to love in the way he instructed us to.
Yes I believe that God is real, that Jesus died for us and that we can choose to accept it or not...
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Hang on, hang on... what point are you actually trying to make? I don't see anything different in what you just said and what you were responding to. You did not contest that we are saved by faith and you are reiterating that faith without works is dead.

I don't get it...
 Quoting: asparien


and you will not!
 Quoting: Neim-Ya'shar


Not if you don't start making sense!

- You have not and cannot contest that we are SAVED by faith alone.
- We agree that faith without works is dead.
- You have stated that christians are pagan, which has been completely refuted in previous posts.
- You have confirmed that THOSE WHO REJECT CHRIST will be judged according to the Law and found wanting.
- You have twisted my words and the words of scripture.
- You have displayed anger and hostility towards those that do not share your point of view (which you cannot clearly articulate and support).

So no, I don't get it... What is the point you are trying to make with all this?
Yes I believe that God is real, that Jesus died for us and that we can choose to accept it or not...
Neim-Ya'shar (OP)

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Hang on, hang on... what point are you actually trying to make? I don't see anything different in what you just said and what you were responding to. You did not contest that we are saved by faith and you are reiterating that faith without works is dead.

I don't get it...
 Quoting: asparien


and you will not!
 Quoting: Neim-Ya'shar


Not if you don't start making sense!

- You have not and cannot contest that we are SAVED by faith alone.
- We agree that faith without works is dead.
- You have stated that christians are pagan, which has been completely refuted in previous posts.
- You have confirmed that THOSE WHO REJECT CHRIST will be judged according to the Law and found wanting.
- You have twisted my words and the words of scripture.
- You have displayed anger and hostility towards those that do not share your point of view (which you cannot clearly articulate and support).

So no, I don't get it... What is the point you are trying to make with all this?
 Quoting: asparien


you are looking for a contest seminarian but the books already proved you wrong.Was just a matter of time when we see the warring coming out..Remember my quote way back

Your words are smoother than butter but war is in their hearts.

I disagree with you but you include everybody in your comment to win support over..the devil is the master of this type of technique..You DONT FOOL ME


My point is you are a victim of the strange delusion spoken of by Paul that you will beieve the lies of the gentile seminarian christain teachings.You will bring another gospel and teach men to be contrary

Last Edited by Neim-Ya'shar on 10/10/2012 12:46 PM
1 But these took this counsel among themselves, that they would leave the multitude of the heathen, and go forth into a further country, where never mankind dwelt,
42 That they might there keep their statutes, which they never kept in their own land.
43 And they entered into Euphrates by the narrow places of the river.
44 For the most High then shewed signs for them, and held still the flood, till they were passed over.
45 For through that country there was a great way to go, namely, of a year and a half: and the same region is called Arsareth.
46 Then dwelt they there until the latter time; and now when they shall begin to come,
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YES..GOD 'S LAW has no expiration date


You cannot be saved by the LAW, as the LAW convicts us..


We are saved by GRACE....However GOD know our hearts....

hypocrites will not inherit the kingdom of GOD..


Christians that do nothing knowing they are saved will be saved as they walk around smelling like wood hay and stumble.
Neim-Ya'shar (OP)

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YES..GOD 'S LAW has no expiration date


You cannot be saved by the LAW, as the LAW convicts us..


We are saved by GRACE....However GOD know our hearts....

hypocrites will not inherit the kingdom of GOD..


Christians that do nothing knowing they are saved will be saved as they walk around smelling like wood hay and stumble.
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LOL

Last Edited by Neim-Ya'shar on 10/10/2012 12:27 PM
1 But these took this counsel among themselves, that they would leave the multitude of the heathen, and go forth into a further country, where never mankind dwelt,
42 That they might there keep their statutes, which they never kept in their own land.
43 And they entered into Euphrates by the narrow places of the river.
44 For the most High then shewed signs for them, and held still the flood, till they were passed over.
45 For through that country there was a great way to go, namely, of a year and a half: and the same region is called Arsareth.
46 Then dwelt they there until the latter time; and now when they shall begin to come,
:knoup:
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Shamar? I'm still waiting for Book, paragraph and verse to prove that those who follow Jesus are the unrighteous ones.
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Neim-Ya'shar (OP)

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Shamar? I'm still waiting for Book, paragraph and verse to prove that those who follow Jesus are the unrighteous ones.
 Quoting: Lisa*Lisa




That was kinda out there with that..I think she read or quoted from the talmudic version of enoch which is denying the messiah the elect one.I warned people of the versions of enoch out there becareful.

There are versions used by witches and wizrds and talmudist kabbalah teachings


ok lisa play nice now!

Last Edited by Neim-Ya'shar on 10/10/2012 12:40 PM
1 But these took this counsel among themselves, that they would leave the multitude of the heathen, and go forth into a further country, where never mankind dwelt,
42 That they might there keep their statutes, which they never kept in their own land.
43 And they entered into Euphrates by the narrow places of the river.
44 For the most High then shewed signs for them, and held still the flood, till they were passed over.
45 For through that country there was a great way to go, namely, of a year and a half: and the same region is called Arsareth.
46 Then dwelt they there until the latter time; and now when they shall begin to come,
:knoup:
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Shamar? I'm still waiting for Book, paragraph and verse to prove that those who follow Jesus are the unrighteous ones.
 Quoting: Lisa*Lisa


That was kinda out there with that..I think she read or quoted from the talmudic version of enoch which is denying the messiah the elect one.I warned people of the versions of enoch out there becareful.

There are versions used by witches and wizrds and kabalah
 Quoting: Neim-Ya'shar


I agree, it's evil and antichrist to teach that. If such a book says that, it's from the devil.

People do need to be careful because even reading satanic texts can open doors to greater evil.

Glad we can agree on something for a change!

hf
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"If love were a tree, compassion would be its fruit." - unknown
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2 Corinthians 12:9 - "Each time he said, "My grace is all you need. My power works best in weakness." So now I am glad to boast about my weaknesses, so that the power of Christ can work through me."

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Shamar? I'm still waiting for Book, paragraph and verse to prove that those who follow Jesus are the unrighteous ones.
 Quoting: Lisa*Lisa




That was kinda out there with that..I think she read or quoted from the talmudic version of enoch which is denying the messiah the elect one.I warned people of the versions of enoch out there becareful.

There are versions used by witches and wizrds and talmudist kabbalah teachings


ok lisa play nice now!
 Quoting: Neim-Ya'shar


Neim, send me an email. I want to talk with you privately, but I can't PM here anymore because my upgrade expired.
Have You Accepted Jesus As Your Savior Yet? What Are You Waiting For? Do you have questions about God or need someone to talk to? Email me at Lisalovesjesus7@gmail.com

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"Te​ll them, I love them" - Jesus Christ

"If love were a tree, compassion would be its fruit." - unknown
____________________________

A dear friend's website [link to www.savemenowjesus.com]

_____________________________

2 Corinthians 12:9 - "Each time he said, "My grace is all you need. My power works best in weakness." So now I am glad to boast about my weaknesses, so that the power of Christ can work through me."

_________________________

One of the greatest things you can do for God is to show love to His other kids.
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Shamar? I'm still waiting for Book, paragraph and verse to prove that those who follow Jesus are the unrighteous ones.
 Quoting: Lisa*Lisa




That was kinda out there with that..I think she read or quoted from the talmudic version of enoch which is denying the messiah the elect one.I warned people of the versions of enoch out there becareful.

There are versions used by witches and wizrds and talmudist kabbalah teachings


ok lisa play nice now!
 Quoting: Neim-Ya'shar


Neim, send me an email. I want to talk with you privately, but I can't PM here anymore because my upgrade expired.
 Quoting: Lisa*Lisa


Check your account I upgraded you fro 4 months

Last Edited by Neim-Ya'shar on 10/10/2012 01:14 PM
1 But these took this counsel among themselves, that they would leave the multitude of the heathen, and go forth into a further country, where never mankind dwelt,
42 That they might there keep their statutes, which they never kept in their own land.
43 And they entered into Euphrates by the narrow places of the river.
44 For the most High then shewed signs for them, and held still the flood, till they were passed over.
45 For through that country there was a great way to go, namely, of a year and a half: and the same region is called Arsareth.
46 Then dwelt they there until the latter time; and now when they shall begin to come,
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While faith without works is most certainly a dead faith, works without faith is just as dead. They are both equally unresponsive to God.
 Quoting: Life and Love


That sounds like a good definition of "The road to hell is paved with good intentions".


As to 'pagan' practices,... didn't A. Crowley say that "Do what thou wilt" is the whole of (his) law? So,... people don't need 'specifics' to dilute their religion, they can't pretty much just do WHAT THEY WANT TO.

Good 'ole self will run riot is just as good (bad) as any bad religion one cares to name, when it comes to putting God second in one's life.


Doing 'good things' for 'bad' reasons is just as bad as any pagan bs. I call it "Churchianity".
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Shamar? I'm still waiting for Book, paragraph and verse to prove that those who follow Jesus are the unrighteous ones.
 Quoting: Lisa*Lisa




That was kinda out there with that..I think she read or quoted from the talmudic version of enoch which is denying the messiah the elect one.I warned people of the versions of enoch out there becareful.

There are versions used by witches and wizrds and talmudist kabbalah teachings


ok lisa play nice now!
 Quoting: Neim-Ya'shar


Neim, send me an email. I want to talk with you privately, but I can't PM here anymore because my upgrade expired.
 Quoting: Lisa*Lisa


Check your account I upgraded you fro 4 months
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That was awesome, thank you!

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"If love were a tree, compassion would be its fruit." - unknown
____________________________

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_____________________________

2 Corinthians 12:9 - "Each time he said, "My grace is all you need. My power works best in weakness." So now I am glad to boast about my weaknesses, so that the power of Christ can work through me."

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That was kinda out there with that..I think she read or quoted from the talmudic version of enoch which is denying the messiah the elect one.I warned people of the versions of enoch out there becareful.

There are versions used by witches and wizrds and talmudist kabbalah teachings


ok lisa play nice now!
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Neim, send me an email. I want to talk with you privately, but I can't PM here anymore because my upgrade expired.
 Quoting: Lisa*Lisa


OK
 Quoting: Neim-Ya'shar


Just a friendly suggestion not to put your private email out there for every scammer in the universe to see,...
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thank you pal
1 But these took this counsel among themselves, that they would leave the multitude of the heathen, and go forth into a further country, where never mankind dwelt,
42 That they might there keep their statutes, which they never kept in their own land.
43 And they entered into Euphrates by the narrow places of the river.
44 For the most High then shewed signs for them, and held still the flood, till they were passed over.
45 For through that country there was a great way to go, namely, of a year and a half: and the same region is called Arsareth.
46 Then dwelt they there until the latter time; and now when they shall begin to come,
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N,

are you so sure that pagan holidays have been "Christianized?" seems like the pagans were manipulating His creation, not the other way 'round...?

I used to think so...

it is interesting that although the black magicians are using blood sacrifice to feed the demonic, God apparently saw fit to give us all a trump card of a supreme blood sacrifice... I wonder if that is why so many of the things we are told are just christianizations of pagan traditions are actually just a reflection of the profound cosmic sacrifice required to give us salvation... I mean if the elite are using geometry, astronomy and numerology, why wouldn't God--it's His show, right? :) at least that is my current understanding...


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N,

are you so sure that pagan holidays have been "Christianized?" seems like the pagans were manipulating His creation, not the other way 'round...?

I used to think so...

it is interesting that although the black magicians are using blood sacrifice to feed the demonic, God apparently saw fit to give us all a trump card of a supreme blood sacrifice... I wonder if that is why so many of the things we are told are just christianizations of pagan traditions are actually just a reflection of the profound cosmic sacrifice required to give us salvation... I mean if the elite are using geometry, astronomy and numerology, why wouldn't God--it's His show, right? :) at least that is my current understanding...


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and I have considered the "historical" angle, but on my thred I find many reasons to dismiss this as a sole basis for belief... especially given the massive amount of interference and deception ongoing ...

peace...

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you are looking for a contest seminarian but the books already proved you wrong.Was just a matter of time when we see the warring coming out..Remember my quote way back

Your words are smoother than butter but war is in their hearts.

I disagree with you but you include everybody in your comment to win support over..the devil is the master of this type of technique..You DONT FOOL ME


My point is you are a victim of the strange delusion spoken of by Paul that you will beieve the lies of the gentile seminarian christain teachings.You will bring another gospel and teach men to be contrary
 Quoting: Neim-Ya'shar


I'm not looking for a contest because there IS no contest.

You say 'THE LAW IS ALIVE' and that we are justified by the law. I say to you that this is completely false as the law has been fulfilled by the sacrifice of Jesus Christ. We are justified by his Blood and our belief in that fact. This is no strange delusion, it is biblical fact. It is Gospel.

The devil constantly seeks to deceive us into believing that we are still under law. This is so he can accuse us of breaking the law. If we accept law, we reject Jesus since he fulfilled law. We have been freed of the burden of law and are now in a new covenant of grace. The strange delusion Paul refers to is the belief that we are still judged according to the law, even though the penalty of law has been PAID IN FULL!

There is no more to be said.
Yes I believe that God is real, that Jesus died for us and that we can choose to accept it or not...
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you are looking for a contest seminarian but the books already proved you wrong.Was just a matter of time when we see the warring coming out..Remember my quote way back

Your words are smoother than butter but war is in their hearts.

I disagree with you but you include everybody in your comment to win support over..the devil is the master of this type of technique..You DONT FOOL ME


My point is you are a victim of the strange delusion spoken of by Paul that you will beieve the lies of the gentile seminarian christain teachings.You will bring another gospel and teach men to be contrary
 Quoting: Neim-Ya'shar


I'm not looking for a contest because there IS no contest.

You say 'THE LAW IS ALIVE' and that we are justified by the law. I say to you that this is completely false as the law has been fulfilled by the sacrifice of Jesus Christ. We are justified by his Blood and our belief in that fact. This is no strange delusion, it is biblical fact. It is Gospel.

The devil constantly seeks to deceive us into believing that we are still under law. This is so he can accuse us of breaking the law. If we accept law, we reject Jesus since he fulfilled law. We have been freed of the burden of law and are now in a new covenant of grace. The strange delusion Paul refers to is the belief that we are still judged according to the law, even though the penalty of law has been PAID IN FULL!

There is no more to be said.
 Quoting: asparien


they will not see and as of hearing they will not hear. MERRY CHRISTMAS! Hope its on a SUNDAY


Salvation is a very simple process:

1. Confess with your mouth that Jesus Christ is Lord

2. Believe in your heart that he died as payment for your sins and that through him, we are able to enter into Heaven.


Nothing else is required to secure your place in Heaven. Call on the name of Jesus and you will be saved. When all else fails, this is the one thing you can hold onto. If you only remember one thing, remember the name of Jesus.

Asparien
 Quoting: asparien



SEMINARIAN TEACHING FALSEHOOD AGAIN!

16 And, behold, one came and said unto him, Good Master, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life?

17 And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.

18 He saith unto him, Which? Jesus said, Thou shalt do no murder, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness,
Ex 20:13-16 Dt 5:17-20

19
Honour thy father and thy mother: and, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
Ex 20:12 Lev 19:18 Deut 5:16 Matt 5:43 Matt 22:39 Mark 12:31 Rom 13:9 Gal 5:14 Jam 2:8


ALSO SHOW ME A SCRIPTURE THAT SAYS THE DEAD GOES TO HEAVEN

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1 But these took this counsel among themselves, that they would leave the multitude of the heathen, and go forth into a further country, where never mankind dwelt,
42 That they might there keep their statutes, which they never kept in their own land.
43 And they entered into Euphrates by the narrow places of the river.
44 For the most High then shewed signs for them, and held still the flood, till they were passed over.
45 For through that country there was a great way to go, namely, of a year and a half: and the same region is called Arsareth.
46 Then dwelt they there until the latter time; and now when they shall begin to come,
:knoup:
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i like your take, as far as the law being fulfilled, but I do think it doesn't hurt to follow the 10 commandments and to keep Sabbath on Saturday...

have you seen Professor Walter Veith on youtube talking about the vatican and NWO coming religion--they will mandate Sunday worship...

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Hi Sharmar and Neim, did you use to go by another name
at GLP.

Another thread to deny it is "faith and works"... the attempt to reject Church teaching and Scripture and instead
follow Martin Luther who came up with Sola Fide, good Lord,
fifteen centures later.

LOL, it's all Faith that makes you do the good work, your
cooperation or better your to say your choice in your
actions has nothing to do with it. God made you a robot?

Noooooo!@ God respects our free will in all the choices
of our lives otherwise our love for Him is not true. With
the help of His grace and with faith a person decides the
choices of his life...his good and bad "works."

John 3:36
He that believeth in the Son, hath life everlasting; but he that believeth not the Son, shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him.

It takes more than faith, you have to believe the Son by your actions...your life lived to be saved.
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Hi Sharmar and Neim, did you use to go by another name
at GLP.

Another thread to deny it is "faith and works"... the attempt to reject Church teaching and Scripture and instead
follow Martin Luther who came up with Sola Fide, good Lord,
fifteen centures later.

LOL, it's all Faith that makes you do the good work, your
cooperation or better your to say your choice in your
actions has nothing to do with it. God made you a robot?

Noooooo!@ God respects our free will in all the choices
of our lives otherwise our love for Him is not true. With
the help of His grace and with faith a person decides the
choices of his life...his good and bad "works."

John 3:36
He that believeth in the Son, hath life everlasting; but he that believeth not the Son, shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him.

It takes more than faith, you have to believe the Son by your actions...your life lived to be saved.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 20541213


glad that you understand, blessings to you
1 But these took this counsel among themselves, that they would leave the multitude of the heathen, and go forth into a further country, where never mankind dwelt,
42 That they might there keep their statutes, which they never kept in their own land.
43 And they entered into Euphrates by the narrow places of the river.
44 For the most High then shewed signs for them, and held still the flood, till they were passed over.
45 For through that country there was a great way to go, namely, of a year and a half: and the same region is called Arsareth.
46 Then dwelt they there until the latter time; and now when they shall begin to come,
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ev chapter 20

12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, *according to their works*.

13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: *and they were judged every man according to their works*


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The FIRST RESURRECTION is for believers in Christ......and will take place when Christ returns. (Rev. 20: 4-6)


The SECOND RESURRECTION does not take place until the end of the One Thousand Year Kingdom. The Second Resurrection is for those without Christ. They will be judged by their works......because they are still under the Law......and no one is capable of keeping the law. They will be cast into the lake of fire.


When someone is born again of the Spirit.....indwelt by the Holy Spirit......at that point in time......they are no longer under the Law......but under Grace.


Grace......unmerited favor is bestowed upon them. They are clothed in the righteousness of Christ.....and seen as white by the Father.


The Holy Spirit will then guide them in doing good works.


As there is nothing good about us (I am foremost and chief of all wretched sinners)....hoplessly stained with sin....our flesh is in fact dead because of it.


All the Credit for the accompanying good works must therefore be given to God.....and the Holy Spirit who lives inside. We make ourselves available.....and let God work through us. We are but human vehicles.....and there is nothing good about us as humans. The only good thing about us is the Holy Spirit living inside.


The FRUIT OF THE SPIRIT......is then made evident during the course of that person's life.


Glory be to God.....and His great mercy upon us.



When the 70 weeks of Daniel have been completed......God will no longer hide His face from Israel......and will put His Spirit inside those who remain of Israel.

God will honor His promise made to Abraham for his act of faith and obedience (Gen 22)

God's grace....unmerited favor.....will be bestowed upon the remnant of Israel....those that have been preserved through the time of Jacob's trouble.

(Ezek Chps 34---39)
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"God resists the proud, but gives grace to the humble.


"Therefore humble yourselves under the mighty hand of God, that He may exalt you in due time."


One aspect of being indwelt by the Holy Spirit......is that in due time......you will be chastized by the Lord (Hebrews 12: 5-11)


The vileness of the flesh....over time....will be revealed to you.


"And the tax collector, standing afar off, would not so much as raise his eyes to heaven, but beat his breast, saying 'God be merciful to me a sinner'."


To be humble.....and a servant to all......with all others being better than yourself.....while showing God's love through your earthly body to them.



"LET THIS MIND BE IN YOU which was also in Christ Jesus, who, being in the form of God, did not consider it robbery to be equal with God.

"but made Himself of no reputation, taking the form of a SERVANT, and coming in the likeness of men.

"And being found in appearance as a man, He HUMBLED HIMSELF and became obedient to the point of death, even the death of the cross."
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who gets the holy spirit and why?

Investigate and search your scriptures and when you find it you will see that all that you said will bite you in the behind,

There is one scripture that tells you the answer find it
1 But these took this counsel among themselves, that they would leave the multitude of the heathen, and go forth into a further country, where never mankind dwelt,
42 That they might there keep their statutes, which they never kept in their own land.
43 And they entered into Euphrates by the narrow places of the river.
44 For the most High then shewed signs for them, and held still the flood, till they were passed over.
45 For through that country there was a great way to go, namely, of a year and a half: and the same region is called Arsareth.
46 Then dwelt they there until the latter time; and now when they shall begin to come,
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"The Spirit bears witness with our spirit that we are children of God."
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why should i find god in a words written by man?

god is within me

not your paper pages
--"In this era of great big brains anything that can happen will. So hunker down." -- Kurt Vonnegut, JR. -- Galapagos.
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"The Spirit bears witness with our spirit that we are children of God."
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Christ:

"I you love Me, keep My commandments. And I will pray the Father, and He will give you another Helper, that He may abide with you forever,

"even the Spirit of truth, whom the world cannot receive, because it neither sees Him nor knows Him, but you know Him, for He dwells with you and will be in you.

"I will not leave you orphans; I will come to you."



John the Baptist:


"There comes One after me who is mightier than I, whose sandal strap I am not worhty to stoop down and loose,

"I indeed baptized you with water, but He will baptize you with the Holy Spirit."
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Hahahahahaha......nothing like PAGAN's being a "CHRISTIAN!!!"
Im betting you gave yourself that title hunh?
1-800-smoke-much???
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Remember Mercy folks. In order to get it we must give it! That is part of the works thing!

That is why the meek, humble (i would infer kind) are given favor in the eyes of the Father.

It grieves my heart to see so much chest beating at times.
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Please do not see this as chest beating... There are many doctrines that have been taught over the centuries and many points of error have entered into sound teaching. These discussions are essential if we are to sift the wheat from the chaff and recover the jewels of wisdom from the filth of polluted teaching that is presented to us.
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Amen then OK

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