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PAGAN CHRISTIANS WHO TEACH FALSEHOOD OF THE LAW,FAITH AND WORKS

 
Neim-Ya'shar (OP)

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I provide facts and precepts you come with smooth sultry expressions like the book said about you.You add to the word and take away I have given exactly what it says.

You are in denial with your seminarian puppetry and do not have time for the pagan games..LOOK AT ALL THE PROOF AND UNFOLDING OF YOUR FOLLY AS I SHOWED YOU YOUR DECEPTION


Seriously! what can you a gentile teach me about my own heritage? I am suppose to partake of your antichrist philosophy and your modern day christianity..celebrate christmas and easter and valentines day and your sun worship?

The book of jeremiah chp 11 warned us to keep away from that stuff the way of the gentiles.


And as to answer the question that you failed so miserably at answering.These are who the holy spirit is given too. Just like the day of pentecaost because they were all dedicated and obedient disciples and apostles.


acts chp 5

And we are his witnesses of these things; and so is also the Holy Ghost, whom God hath given to *them that obey him*.

5:33 When they heard that, *they were cut to the heart, and took counsel to slay them*.
 Quoting: Neim-Ya'shar


Indeed the Holy Spirit has been given to those who obey God, and the first way in which we obey him is to accept his Son. When we do this we are saved and given the gift of the Holy Spirit. We then go on to obey him further by loving one another and sharing the Gospel with ALL MEN.

The Pharisees were furious at the apostles because they taught that it is through Jesus and his blood that we are saved, not by the works of the law. This is why they wanted to kill the apostles because their power over the people was threatened.

I offer you no deception friend but a clear explanation of the Gospel of Grace.

At no time do I advocate disobedience towards God. In accusing me of this you are in error. I have always upheld that we should obey the commands of God. My position however is that it is not works that save us but the Blood of Christ. This is a VERY important distinction.
 Quoting: asparien


I do not need your grace your graciousness should be directed at God for what is the grace that we are called to?

That a man walk in righteousness and obedince to the word of the word.What is the word? his laws statutes and commands.


Now merry christmas, happy easter, halloween and have a good sunday! ok

bye
 Quoting: Neim-Ya'shar



Well said, bro.
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These seminarian puppets come on peoples thread to derail it with their delusional thinking

This is what the book said!

acts chp 5


30 The God of our fathers raised up Jesus, whom ye slew and hanged on a tree.

31 Him hath God exalted with his right hand to be a Prince and a Saviour, for to give repentance to Israel, and forgiveness of sins.

32 And we are his witnesses of these things; and so is also the Holy Ghost, whom God hath given to them that obey him.

33 When they heard that, they were cut to the heart, and took counsel to slay them.

THE BLOOD OF MESSIAH WAS FOR THE FORGIVENESS OF SIN FOR THE CHILDREN OF ISRAEL. THEY HAD TO COME BACK INTO FELLOWSHIP WITH THE FATHERS PLAN FOR HIS PEOPLE. THE GENTILE NATION WILL THEN BE GRAFTED IN TO FOLLOW ALL THE PRECEPTS OF MESSIAH AS HE SAID IN MATTHEW CHAPTER 5 VERSE 17-22


17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.

18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
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9 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

20 For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven.

21 Ye have heard that it was said of them of old time, Thou shalt not kill; and whosoever shall kill shall be in danger of the judgment:



THEN GO TO ROMANS CHAPTER 11 AND READ WHAT PAUL EXPLAINED TO THE GENTILE NATIONS


I will not let these false teachers with pagan teachings corrupt the truth and send people to hell
1 But these took this counsel among themselves, that they would leave the multitude of the heathen, and go forth into a further country, where never mankind dwelt,
42 That they might there keep their statutes, which they never kept in their own land.
43 And they entered into Euphrates by the narrow places of the river.
44 For the most High then shewed signs for them, and held still the flood, till they were passed over.
45 For through that country there was a great way to go, namely, of a year and a half: and the same region is called Arsareth.
46 Then dwelt they there until the latter time; and now when they shall begin to come,
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I do not need your grace your graciousness should be directed at God for what is the grace that we are called to?

That a man walk in righteousness and obedience to the word of the most high. What is the word? his laws statutes and commands.


Now merry christmas, happy easter, halloween and have a good sunday! ok

bye
 Quoting: Neim-Ya'shar


1. The grace is not mine but God's to give (which he has done).
2. Grace is the undeserved forgiveness of sins.
3. Grace is NOT walking in righteousness and obedience, that is Law.

I do not understand how you can read the bible and come to the conclusion that the Gospel of grace is when we walk in righteousness and obedience to God (which is impossible for fallen man to do anyway).

My friend, without Jesus you have nothing. For he is the WAY, the TRUTH and the LIFE. No man comes to the Father except through him.

Shalom and peace be with you :)
Yes I believe that God is real, that Jesus died for us and that we can choose to accept it or not...
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The gospel is sweet and simple. Love.

Christ Jesus shows us perfect love, and we hang him on a cross with useless arguments.

OP, you show little love and much frustration. I am not judging, but admonishing.

Read the second epistle of John....it may be milk, but offers the meat in function-

2 John 1:5- And now I beseech thee, lady, not as though I wrote a new commandment, but that which we had from the beginning, ye should walk in it.
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In 2005, I posted the first of several threads titled: Why Born-Agains No Longer Continue To Sin.


Such is The Scriptural Witness of Ezekiel 36; that God Will Give us A New Heart and thus Enable us to Live In HIS Accord, Know and Do HIS Will, and Keep HIS Statutes.

Oh the arguments. Always from those who have no witness...
Laodiceans.


There is no place in Christianity for things "jewish". Christ and The Father were rejected by the jewish people, save for some whose hearts could see & hear. They continued to bring the Good News to them at Temple, and like St. Stephen, were murdered for their witness...


Always a matter of carnality, until God Gives you A New Heart Of HIS Flesh. Can't be any other way. You rationalize and follow conjecture. You don't Know and Abide With HIM so you embellish and create new layers of religion and dogma that seems "more correct", yet you cannot bring yourself to Trust God Fully and give him control of your life...

Can't trust or pray about anyone else's witness... They might be telling you to Trust God The Father Completely because of some motivation of satan. Jesus faced the same extremely stupid reasoning from Pharisees. The reputed "masters of israel" would bend their reasoning like a pretzel to reject God and HIS Son's Witness.

Even Nicodemus who Knew Christ Jesus Came From The Father could not accept HIS Witness per John 3:11. Jesus asks him about why he can't grasp being Born-Again, "You are a Master Of Israel, yet you do not Know these things?" (Marvel not that I say unto you, ye must be Born-Again" John 3:7)


How is it none of you understand Ezekiel 36's Born-Again Witness, or St. Paul's in Hebrews 12 and 2nd Tim 2, or St. John in First Epistle?

How is it you cannot cite The Witness of Christ Jesus in context and have no Experience with The Holy Spirit Guiding you in Scripture or can give witness of any of HIS other Gifts you've Been Blessed With and By....

Self is like that though.
Only The Father Can Deliver you from carnal-self and all its manifestations of alienation from HIM.
Yet you Know Nothing...


Christ Witnesses that HE Only Knows those who Do The Will Of MY Father Which Art In Heaven. That even those who have done "Mighty works and healings, cast out demons, performed healings In HIS Name" are Un-Known By HIM, unless Born-Again.


These are The Final Moments. Might be more like seconds.
Revelation 14:7 will end The Age Of Faith and strand all you in your alienation From The Father and thereby From Christ Jesus. Once you can no longer make your Leap Of Faith, make your surrender of self; you will live in isolation with only self to rely on.


If your reliance is not Upon God, you are not yet HIS.
Surrender is the way Unto HIS Victory.
Must die to self, before you can Live With and Abide In-HIM.


Not much longer now.
Unless you are In-HIM, you will be apart; on your own.

Still my heart compels me to witness and call out to those who can hear with their heart and only need encouragement to decide they can Trust God Fully With Every Aspect of their lives...


The Father Gave you Knowledge of WHO Christ Jesus IS if HE Has Called Your Heart. All who claim HIM on this thread would seem natural to reflect on if they Have Been In God's Presence and made their surrender. You'd KNOW if you had... Can't forget or minimize the greatest moment of your life...


Unless you choose to face the great tribulation alone, it is Time To Decide: Can you Trust God Fully and tell HIM so?
I urge you to consider and pray about this today.
Don't wait if you decide to Come Unto The Father...

Find a place you can be quiet and uninterrupted for 10 minutes or more; even your car in the garage... Open your heart Unto The Father in contrite and sincere prayer.
=Acknowledge Christ Jesus,
=Admit & repent of your sins,
=Claim your share Of Father's Infinite Mercy & Grace,
=Give HIM your life, all of it; good & bad holding nothing back and decide if you can seek and accept only HIS Will for you,
=Ask HIM to Send HIS Holy Spirit to Dwell Within you and Guide your life.
HE Will, if you are honest and sincere....

For this purpose did Christ Jesus Give HIS Life.
To Enable your Coming Unto The Father.

If you claim HIM your indecision is decision nonetheless.

Knowing HIM and HIM Knowing you is the purpose you were born for. Not much longer to decide or to act.

If you hear with your heart, seek The Father in prayer and open your heart.


Maranatha!!!
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I do not need your grace your graciousness should be directed at God for what is the grace that we are called to?

That a man walk in righteousness and obedience to the word of the most high. What is the word? his laws statutes and commands.


Now merry christmas, happy easter, halloween and have a good sunday! ok

bye
 Quoting: Neim-Ya'shar


1. The grace is not mine but God's to give (which he has done).
2. Grace is the undeserved forgiveness of sins.
3. Grace is NOT walking in righteousness and obedience, that is Law.

I do not understand how you can read the bible and come to the conclusion that the Gospel of grace is when we walk in righteousness and obedience to God (which is impossible for fallen man to do anyway).

My friend, without Jesus you have nothing. For he is the WAY, the TRUTH and the LIFE. No man comes to the Father except through him.

Shalom and peace be with you :)
 Quoting: asparien


I do not need your peace, my brethren are those who obey and love the messiah and walk the walk.THEY ARE NOT JUST HEARERS OF THE WORD BUT THEY ARE DOERS OF THE WORD AS THE BIBLE CLEARLY REQUIRERS OF US

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1 But these took this counsel among themselves, that they would leave the multitude of the heathen, and go forth into a further country, where never mankind dwelt,
42 That they might there keep their statutes, which they never kept in their own land.
43 And they entered into Euphrates by the narrow places of the river.
44 For the most High then shewed signs for them, and held still the flood, till they were passed over.
45 For through that country there was a great way to go, namely, of a year and a half: and the same region is called Arsareth.
46 Then dwelt they there until the latter time; and now when they shall begin to come,
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1. The grace is not mine but God's to give (which he has done).
2. Grace is the undeserved forgiveness of sins.
3. Grace is NOT walking in righteousness and obedience, that is Law.

I do not understand how you can read the bible and come to the conclusion that the Gospel of grace is when we walk in righteousness and obedience to God (which is impossible for fallen man to do anyway).

My friend, without Jesus you have nothing. For he is the WAY, the TRUTH and the LIFE. No man comes to the Father except through him.

Shalom and peace be with you :)
 Quoting: asparien


I do not need your peace, my brethren are those who obey and love the messiah and walk the walk.THEY ARE NOT JUST HEARERS OF THE WORD BUT THEY ARE DOERS OF THE WORD AS THE BIBLE CLEARLY REQUIRERS OF US
 Quoting: Neim-Ya'shar


May the Lord God richly bless you and keep you well until the day of his return. May we one day meet before the throne of God and recognise each other as brothers.

I say again, Shalom and peace be with you
Yes I believe that God is real, that Jesus died for us and that we can choose to accept it or not...
Neim-Ya'shar (OP)

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The gospel is sweet and simple. Love.

Christ Jesus shows us perfect love, and we hang him on a cross with useless arguments.

OP, you show little love and much frustration. I am not judging, but admonishing.

Read the second epistle of John....it may be milk, but offers the meat in function-

2 John 1:5- And now I beseech thee, lady, not as though I wrote a new commandment, but that which we had from the beginning, ye should walk in it.
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There are those who are learning or want to learn but you have those who are deliberately setting the a tone through gentleness to win over the simple of mind in there corrupt pagan teachings.

I know the ones who wants to learn they will not insist on their own way when the facts are presented from the bible we all read.

I speak to those who oppose the word differently just like messiah showed them up for the traps they tried to lay

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1 But these took this counsel among themselves, that they would leave the multitude of the heathen, and go forth into a further country, where never mankind dwelt,
42 That they might there keep their statutes, which they never kept in their own land.
43 And they entered into Euphrates by the narrow places of the river.
44 For the most High then shewed signs for them, and held still the flood, till they were passed over.
45 For through that country there was a great way to go, namely, of a year and a half: and the same region is called Arsareth.
46 Then dwelt they there until the latter time; and now when they shall begin to come,
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1. The grace is not mine but God's to give (which he has done).
2. Grace is the undeserved forgiveness of sins.
3. Grace is NOT walking in righteousness and obedience, that is Law.

I do not understand how you can read the bible and come to the conclusion that the Gospel of grace is when we walk in righteousness and obedience to God (which is impossible for fallen man to do anyway).

My friend, without Jesus you have nothing. For he is the WAY, the TRUTH and the LIFE. No man comes to the Father except through him.

Shalom and peace be with you :)
 Quoting: asparien


I do not need your peace, my brethren are those who obey and love the messiah and walk the walk.THEY ARE NOT JUST HEARERS OF THE WORD BUT THEY ARE DOERS OF THE WORD AS THE BIBLE CLEARLY REQUIRERS OF US
 Quoting: Neim-Ya'shar


May the Lord God richly bless you and keep you well until the day of his return. May we one day meet before the throne of God and recognise each other as brothers.

I say again, Shalom and peace be with you
 Quoting: asparien


So sad to see the stubborness of man even when he has a report of the mesiahs ministry and yet denies but says he is covered by the blood


If I do not the works of my Father, believe me not.

38 But if I do, though ye believe not me, believe the works: that ye may know, and believe, that the Father is in me, and I in him.

39 Therefore they sought again to take him: but he escaped out of their hand,

faith without works and works without faith is dead.messiah did his works in faith that the father will raise him up again

SAD SO SO SAD THIS WORLD OF THE WICKED
1 But these took this counsel among themselves, that they would leave the multitude of the heathen, and go forth into a further country, where never mankind dwelt,
42 That they might there keep their statutes, which they never kept in their own land.
43 And they entered into Euphrates by the narrow places of the river.
44 For the most High then shewed signs for them, and held still the flood, till they were passed over.
45 For through that country there was a great way to go, namely, of a year and a half: and the same region is called Arsareth.
46 Then dwelt they there until the latter time; and now when they shall begin to come,
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i will attempt to be honest:

it is virtually impossible to obey all that is commanded of us in the bible.

not that temptation/sin is so compelling/alluring

so much as the amout of stress, fatigue, and disorientation that accompanies living under the whole law:

we are demanded by the bible to

1. pray for 24 hours a day (...pray wthout ceasing..)
2. to never think evil thoughts
(bring all thoughts into servitude to christ)
3. to concentrate only on god and his will
(let your eye be single)
4. to follow in jesus' footsteps even to death
(pick up the cross and follow me)
5. to feed the hungry, clothe the naked, tithe, heal the sick, donate all our possessions to charity, fast, watch, pray, and preach/teach/etc......


this list has over a thousand points


thank you god for shortening it to just two:

1. love the one god with all your heart soul mind and strength
2. love your neighbors (including enemies) as yourself.
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You are entirely correct... We cannot fulfill the commandments of God. We are completely incapable. That is why the new covenant consists of belief in the Blood of Jesus. The Holy Spirit then gives us the ability to love in the way he instructed us to.
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BX, sorry for being harsh.

This is the reason non-Catholic Christians will not let go
of Martin Luther's "Faith Alone." They believe Martin Luther's other heresy of MAN IS COMPLETELY DEPRAVED which is
a big fat lie too.

The truth: Humanity is capable of good AND we have a fallen nature.

All mixed together, one falsehood non-Catholic Christians profess and somehow think confirms another. Then there's one more heresy stemming from these two. "Imputation."

+ + +

Luther, who struggled to explain and understand how he, being a rotten sinner, could stand before an all-holy God and yet be found acceptable. The "solution" to this dilemma is what Luther and Protestants think is the heart of the Gospel: that God formulated an ingenious legal scheme, through Jesus Christ, which made it possible for God to declare the unrighteous person to be righteous and thus justify them, all without violating his holiness, justice, and integrity. This mentality has taken over the minds of most Protestants throughout history, and is perpetuated through the mistaken *misinterpret*...appeal to Romans 4:5

Protestants, not all have come up with.."God isn't declaring the unrighteous to be righteous out of thin air, but rather God is providing a basis to do so through the work of Jesus (citing Romans 3:21-26). They believe the sinners guilt gets imputed to Christ's account and Christ's perfect righteousness gets imputed to the sinner's account, so God can now look at the sinner's "criminal record" and see that not only has the punishment they deserve been satisfied, but the requirements of living a perfectly righteous life has been satisfied as well."


Do not believe these three heresies.

1. Faith Alone - so many verses, James 2:24 show it is not true.

2. Man is Completely Depraved - not totally, we are capable of good.

3. Imputation - I could never understand the "Jesus did all on the Cross, you are saved talk", it comes from this Imputation heresy.
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1 But these took this counsel among themselves, that they would leave the multitude of the heathen, and go forth into a further country, where never mankind dwelt,
42 That they might there keep their statutes, which they never kept in their own land.
43 And they entered into Euphrates by the narrow places of the river.
44 For the most High then shewed signs for them, and held still the flood, till they were passed over.
45 For through that country there was a great way to go, namely, of a year and a half: and the same region is called Arsareth.
46 Then dwelt they there until the latter time; and now when they shall begin to come,
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Indeed the Holy Spirit has been given to those who obey God, and the first way in which we obey him is to accept his Son. When we do this we are saved and given the gift of the Holy Spirit. We then go on to obey him further by loving one another and sharing the Gospel with ALL MEN.

The Pharisees were furious at the apostles because they taught that it is through Jesus and his blood that we are saved, not by the works of the law. This is why they wanted to kill the apostles because their power over the people was threatened.

I offer you no deception friend but a clear explanation of the Gospel of Grace.

At no time do I advocate disobedience towards God. In accusing me of this you are in error. I have always upheld that we should obey the commands of God. My position however is that it is not works that save us but the Blood of Christ. This is a VERY important distinction.
 Quoting: asparien


I do not need your grace your graciousness should be directed at God for what is the grace that we are called to?

That a man walk in righteousness and obedince to the word of the word.What is the word? his laws statutes and commands.


Now merry christmas, happy easter, halloween and have a good sunday! ok

bye
 Quoting: Neim-Ya'shar



Well said, bro.
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These seminarian puppets come on peoples thread to derail it with their delusional thinking

This is what the book said!

acts chp 5


30 The God of our fathers raised up Jesus, whom ye slew and hanged on a tree.

31 Him hath God exalted with his right hand to be a Prince and a Saviour, for to give repentance to Israel, and forgiveness of sins.

32 And we are his witnesses of these things; and so is also the Holy Ghost, whom God hath given to them that obey him.

33 When they heard that, they were cut to the heart, and took counsel to slay them.

THE BLOOD OF MESSIAH WAS FOR THE FORGIVENESS OF SIN FOR THE CHILDREN OF ISRAEL. THEY HAD TO COME BACK INTO FELLOWSHIP WITH THE FATHERS PLAN FOR HIS PEOPLE. THE GENTILE NATION WILL THEN BE GRAFTED IN TO FOLLOW ALL THE PRECEPTS OF MESSIAH AS HE SAID IN MATTHEW CHAPTER 5 VERSE 17-22


17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.

18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
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9 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

20 For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven.

21 Ye have heard that it was said of them of old time, Thou shalt not kill; and whosoever shall kill shall be in danger of the judgment:



THEN GO TO ROMANS CHAPTER 11 AND READ WHAT PAUL EXPLAINED TO THE GENTILE NATIONS


I will not let these false teachers with pagan teachings corrupt the truth and send people to hell
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So, Tinker Toy, I guess YOU think YOU are saved. And...yet...I don't think you follow all of those 613 laws in the Old Testament. In fact, I KNOW for a fact that you don't even follow half of them. Have you ever read the Old Testament? There are even laws about what kind of clothing you must wear. You must kill rebellious children and all those who work on Sunday. God takes these laws seriously. He told the people they had to STONE a man to death for picking up sticks on the sabbath.

So, as I see it, you are not following God's laws. The road is very narrow, as per Jesus, so that only a very FEW get in. I am thinking that you will not be one of them. Jesus said to sell everything you own and give it ALL to the poor and yet here you sit on your expensive computer. You are just a Pharisee. You judge everyone else while not noting that your own shit is smelling twice as bad.

So my question to you is this: What makes you think that YOU are so worthy to go to heaven? What makes you different from those peole you judge as being pagan Christians. Maybe they love Jesus more than you do? Maybe you are nothing but a worthless Pharisee?
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Neim, why are you so violent and destructive?

You have no idea whom you are serving!

You better make absolutly certain you are on the side of God!

You who hold so tightly to your own works of goodness and then condemn those who you have decided do not measure up to your understanding of Gods Word!

The Day is coming quickly, Faith Is The Only Way To See The Kingdom!
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Neim is neither violent or destructive and absolutely knows whom he/she serves. You my dear are deceived by the pagan constantinian christianity as was I and most of us coming out of babylon. Neim is most definately on the side of YHVH, the Most High. I know it is hard at first trying to "unlearn" all the churchianity but it is well worth studying the Word for yourself, not filtered through the churchers.

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Neim, why are you so violent and destructive?

You have no idea whom you are serving!

You better make absolutly certain you are on the side of God!

You who hold so tightly to your own works of goodness and then condemn those who you have decided do not measure up to your understanding of Gods Word!

The Day is coming quickly, Faith Is The Only Way To See The Kingdom!
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Neim is neither violent or destructive and absolutely knows whom he/she serves. You my dear are deceived by the pagan constantinian christianity as was I and most of us coming out of babylon. Neim is most definately on the side of YHVH, the Most High. I know it is hard at first trying to "unlearn" all the churchianity but it is well worth studying the Word for yourself, not filtered through the churchers.

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I do not need your grace your graciousness should be directed at God for what is the grace that we are called to?

That a man walk in righteousness and obedince to the word of the word.What is the word? his laws statutes and commands.


Now merry christmas, happy easter, halloween and have a good sunday! ok

bye
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Well said, bro.
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These seminarian puppets come on peoples thread to derail it with their delusional thinking

This is what the book said!

acts chp 5


30 The God of our fathers raised up Jesus, whom ye slew and hanged on a tree.

31 Him hath God exalted with his right hand to be a Prince and a Saviour, for to give repentance to Israel, and forgiveness of sins.

32 And we are his witnesses of these things; and so is also the Holy Ghost, whom God hath given to them that obey him.

33 When they heard that, they were cut to the heart, and took counsel to slay them.

THE BLOOD OF MESSIAH WAS FOR THE FORGIVENESS OF SIN FOR THE CHILDREN OF ISRAEL. THEY HAD TO COME BACK INTO FELLOWSHIP WITH THE FATHERS PLAN FOR HIS PEOPLE. THE GENTILE NATION WILL THEN BE GRAFTED IN TO FOLLOW ALL THE PRECEPTS OF MESSIAH AS HE SAID IN MATTHEW CHAPTER 5 VERSE 17-22


17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.

18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
1

9 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

20 For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven.

21 Ye have heard that it was said of them of old time, Thou shalt not kill; and whosoever shall kill shall be in danger of the judgment:



THEN GO TO ROMANS CHAPTER 11 AND READ WHAT PAUL EXPLAINED TO THE GENTILE NATIONS


I will not let these false teachers with pagan teachings corrupt the truth and send people to hell
 Quoting: Neim-Ya'shar


So, Tinker Toy, I guess YOU think YOU are saved. And...yet...I don't think you follow all of those 613 laws in the Old Testament. In fact, I KNOW for a fact that you don't even follow half of them. Have you ever read the Old Testament? There are even laws about what kind of clothing you must wear. You must kill rebellious children and all those who work on Sunday. God takes these laws seriously. He told the people they had to STONE a man to death for picking up sticks on the sabbath.

So, as I see it, you are not following God's laws. The road is very narrow, as per Jesus, so that only a very FEW get in. I am thinking that you will not be one of them. Jesus said to sell everything you own and give it ALL to the poor and yet here you sit on your expensive computer. You are just a Pharisee. You judge everyone else while not noting that your own shit is smelling twice as bad.

So my question to you is this: What makes you think that YOU are so worthy to go to heaven? What makes you different from those peole you judge as being pagan Christians. Maybe they love Jesus more than you do? Maybe you are nothing but a worthless Pharisee?
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I am not going to heaven but will inherit the earth as the book teaches.

I live in accordance to the scriptures and the book reveals who you are.if one walks contrary obeying traditions of man and this world then you are pagan.


maybe you should read the book and the thread and make amends
1 But these took this counsel among themselves, that they would leave the multitude of the heathen, and go forth into a further country, where never mankind dwelt,
42 That they might there keep their statutes, which they never kept in their own land.
43 And they entered into Euphrates by the narrow places of the river.
44 For the most High then shewed signs for them, and held still the flood, till they were passed over.
45 For through that country there was a great way to go, namely, of a year and a half: and the same region is called Arsareth.
46 Then dwelt they there until the latter time; and now when they shall begin to come,
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Well said, bro.
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These seminarian puppets come on peoples thread to derail it with their delusional thinking

This is what the book said!

acts chp 5


30 The God of our fathers raised up Jesus, whom ye slew and hanged on a tree.

31 Him hath God exalted with his right hand to be a Prince and a Saviour, for to give repentance to Israel, and forgiveness of sins.

32 And we are his witnesses of these things; and so is also the Holy Ghost, whom God hath given to them that obey him.

33 When they heard that, they were cut to the heart, and took counsel to slay them.

THE BLOOD OF MESSIAH WAS FOR THE FORGIVENESS OF SIN FOR THE CHILDREN OF ISRAEL. THEY HAD TO COME BACK INTO FELLOWSHIP WITH THE FATHERS PLAN FOR HIS PEOPLE. THE GENTILE NATION WILL THEN BE GRAFTED IN TO FOLLOW ALL THE PRECEPTS OF MESSIAH AS HE SAID IN MATTHEW CHAPTER 5 VERSE 17-22


17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.

18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
1

9 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

20 For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven.

21 Ye have heard that it was said of them of old time, Thou shalt not kill; and whosoever shall kill shall be in danger of the judgment:



THEN GO TO ROMANS CHAPTER 11 AND READ WHAT PAUL EXPLAINED TO THE GENTILE NATIONS


I will not let these false teachers with pagan teachings corrupt the truth and send people to hell
 Quoting: Neim-Ya'shar


So, Tinker Toy, I guess YOU think YOU are saved. And...yet...I don't think you follow all of those 613 laws in the Old Testament. In fact, I KNOW for a fact that you don't even follow half of them. Have you ever read the Old Testament? There are even laws about what kind of clothing you must wear. You must kill rebellious children and all those who work on Sunday. God takes these laws seriously. He told the people they had to STONE a man to death for picking up sticks on the sabbath.

So, as I see it, you are not following God's laws. The road is very narrow, as per Jesus, so that only a very FEW get in. I am thinking that you will not be one of them. Jesus said to sell everything you own and give it ALL to the poor and yet here you sit on your expensive computer. You are just a Pharisee. You judge everyone else while not noting that your own shit is smelling twice as bad.

So my question to you is this: What makes you think that YOU are so worthy to go to heaven? What makes you different from those peole you judge as being pagan Christians. Maybe they love Jesus more than you do? Maybe you are nothing but a worthless Pharisee?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 20657814


I am not going to heaven but will inherit the earth as the book teaches.

I live in accordance to the scriptures and the book reveals who you are.if one walks contrary obeying traditions of man and this world then you are pagan.


maybe you should read the book and the thread and make amends
 Quoting: Neim-Ya'shar


No, you are NOT going to inherit the earth or anything else. You are going to die, turn to dust, or you will be incinerated in a fire during a cremation. You are nothing but an animal. You are NOT immortal. You are a mortal being, just like a cockroach. You cling to these foolish myths about God and Satan because you have a large and out of control ego. You DO NOT live forever...anywhere. When you finally accept this, tinker toy, you will be an adult.

I doubt that you will ever grow up. You lie to yourself every single day. You think you live in accordance to the scriptures? Which ones? You certainly don't live by many of them listed in the Old Testament. And maybe YOU should repent of the sin of pride, arrogance, self-righteousness, etc., which were all sins of the Pharisees, and these are your sins as well. Jesus called them "sons of Satan" so I wonder what he would call YOU?

I suppose you belong to the cult of Jehovah's Witnesses. There is no talking to people like you. Once you have been brainwashed, you are basically brain dead. You are a sad specimen of a human being and it is actually a very good thing that you don't live forever. Study science. Grow a brain. Do something worthwhile with your life. No one gives a shit what you believe, except those who believe exactly like you do. No one gives a shit what I believe either but at least I am not condemning people to some imaginary hell.

If you had a child that stopped going to your Saturday cult meetings and decided to leave your cult, could you kill them? Could you torture them forever? Well, I would imagine YOU could, but most people have more love in their hearts. They would never torture the children they love. Yet your horrible monster named Jehovah tortures most of the world forever? I would be very careful, if I were you. If you think he would do this to so many people, I would think it would be a little hard to trust such a creature? It would be like putting all your trust in Hitler, if he had all the power. One wrong move and you will be a tortured man yourself, if you aren't already. Grow up. Myths and fairy tales are for kids.
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So my question to you is this: What makes you think that YOU are so worthy to go to heaven? What makes you different from those peole you judge as being pagan Christians. Maybe they love Jesus more than you do? Maybe you are nothing but a worthless Pharisee?
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Only the one who does the will of my Father in Heaven will enter into the kingdom of Heaven Matthew 7:21-23
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So my question to you is this: What makes you think that YOU are so worthy to go to heaven? What makes you different from those peole you judge as being pagan Christians. Maybe they love Jesus more than you do? Maybe you are nothing but a worthless Pharisee?
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Only the one who does the will of my Father in Heaven will enter into the kingdom of Heaven Matthew 7:21-23
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exactly also the kingdom of heaven is a union and the oneness with the father so and the ruach. WE SHALL REIGN ON THE EARTH WITH CHRIST OUR KING
1 But these took this counsel among themselves, that they would leave the multitude of the heathen, and go forth into a further country, where never mankind dwelt,
42 That they might there keep their statutes, which they never kept in their own land.
43 And they entered into Euphrates by the narrow places of the river.
44 For the most High then shewed signs for them, and held still the flood, till they were passed over.
45 For through that country there was a great way to go, namely, of a year and a half: and the same region is called Arsareth.
46 Then dwelt they there until the latter time; and now when they shall begin to come,
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So my question to you is this: What makes you think that YOU are so worthy to go to heaven? What makes you different from those peole you judge as being pagan Christians. Maybe they love Jesus more than you do? Maybe you are nothing but a worthless Pharisee?
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Only the one who does the will of my Father in Heaven will enter into the kingdom of Heaven Matthew 7:21-23
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exactly also the kingdom of heaven is a union and the oneness with the father so and the ruach. WE SHALL REIGN ON THE EARTH WITH CHRIST OUR KING
 Quoting: Neim-Ya'shar


hf

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These seminarian puppets come on peoples thread to derail it with their delusional thinking

This is what the book said!

acts chp 5


30 The God of our fathers raised up Jesus, whom ye slew and hanged on a tree.

31 Him hath God exalted with his right hand to be a Prince and a Saviour, for to give repentance to Israel, and forgiveness of sins.

32 And we are his witnesses of these things; and so is also the Holy Ghost, whom God hath given to them that obey him.

33 When they heard that, they were cut to the heart, and took counsel to slay them.

THE BLOOD OF MESSIAH WAS FOR THE FORGIVENESS OF SIN FOR THE CHILDREN OF ISRAEL. THEY HAD TO COME BACK INTO FELLOWSHIP WITH THE FATHERS PLAN FOR HIS PEOPLE. THE GENTILE NATION WILL THEN BE GRAFTED IN TO FOLLOW ALL THE PRECEPTS OF MESSIAH AS HE SAID IN MATTHEW CHAPTER 5 VERSE 17-22


17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.

18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
1

9 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

20 For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven.

21 Ye have heard that it was said of them of old time, Thou shalt not kill; and whosoever shall kill shall be in danger of the judgment:



THEN GO TO ROMANS CHAPTER 11 AND READ WHAT PAUL EXPLAINED TO THE GENTILE NATIONS


I will not let these false teachers with pagan teachings corrupt the truth and send people to hell
 Quoting: Neim-Ya'shar


So, Tinker Toy, I guess YOU think YOU are saved. And...yet...I don't think you follow all of those 613 laws in the Old Testament. In fact, I KNOW for a fact that you don't even follow half of them. Have you ever read the Old Testament? There are even laws about what kind of clothing you must wear. You must kill rebellious children and all those who work on Sunday. God takes these laws seriously. He told the people they had to STONE a man to death for picking up sticks on the sabbath.

So, as I see it, you are not following God's laws. The road is very narrow, as per Jesus, so that only a very FEW get in. I am thinking that you will not be one of them. Jesus said to sell everything you own and give it ALL to the poor and yet here you sit on your expensive computer. You are just a Pharisee. You judge everyone else while not noting that your own shit is smelling twice as bad.

So my question to you is this: What makes you think that YOU are so worthy to go to heaven? What makes you different from those peole you judge as being pagan Christians. Maybe they love Jesus more than you do? Maybe you are nothing but a worthless Pharisee?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 20657814


I am not going to heaven but will inherit the earth as the book teaches.

I live in accordance to the scriptures and the book reveals who you are.if one walks contrary obeying traditions of man and this world then you are pagan.


maybe you should read the book and the thread and make amends
 Quoting: Neim-Ya'shar


No, you are NOT going to inherit the earth or anything else. You are going to die, turn to dust, or you will be incinerated in a fire during a cremation. You are nothing but an animal. You are NOT immortal. You are a mortal being, just like a cockroach. You cling to these foolish myths about God and Satan because you have a large and out of control ego. You DO NOT live forever...anywhere. When you finally accept this, tinker toy, you will be an adult.

I doubt that you will ever grow up. You lie to yourself every single day. You think you live in accordance to the scriptures? Which ones? You certainly don't live by many of them listed in the Old Testament. And maybe YOU should repent of the sin of pride, arrogance, self-righteousness, etc., which were all sins of the Pharisees, and these are your sins as well. Jesus called them "sons of Satan" so I wonder what he would call YOU?

I suppose you belong to the cult of Jehovah's Witnesses. There is no talking to people like you. Once you have been brainwashed, you are basically brain dead. You are a sad specimen of a human being and it is actually a very good thing that you don't live forever. Study science. Grow a brain. Do something worthwhile with your life. No one gives a shit what you believe, except those who believe exactly like you do. No one gives a shit what I believe either but at least I am not condemning people to some imaginary hell.

If you had a child that stopped going to your Saturday cult meetings and decided to leave your cult, could you kill them? Could you torture them forever? Well, I would imagine YOU could, but most people have more love in their hearts. They would never torture the children they love. Yet your horrible monster named Jehovah tortures most of the world forever? I would be very careful, if I were you. If you think he would do this to so many people, I would think it would be a little hard to trust such a creature? It would be like putting all your trust in Hitler, if he had all the power. One wrong move and you will be a tortured man yourself, if you aren't already. Grow up. Myths and fairy tales are for kids.
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why argue with me when all i gave you was from your bible? i even gave you the verses.. GO FIGHT WITH GOD
1 But these took this counsel among themselves, that they would leave the multitude of the heathen, and go forth into a further country, where never mankind dwelt,
42 That they might there keep their statutes, which they never kept in their own land.
43 And they entered into Euphrates by the narrow places of the river.
44 For the most High then shewed signs for them, and held still the flood, till they were passed over.
45 For through that country there was a great way to go, namely, of a year and a half: and the same region is called Arsareth.
46 Then dwelt they there until the latter time; and now when they shall begin to come,
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why argue with me when all i gave you was from your bible? i even gave you the verses.. GO FIGHT WITH GOD
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Do you sacrifice two lambs, some flour, and some oil every sabbath as God commanded the Israelites to do?

9 And on the sabbath day two lambs of the first year without spot, and two tenth deals of flour for a meat offering, mingled with oil, and the drink offering thereof:

10 This is the burnt offering of every sabbath, beside the continual burnt offering, and his drink offering.
(Numbers 28:9-10)
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Do you sacrifice two lambs, some flour, and some oil every sabbath as God commanded the Israelites to do?

9 And on the sabbath day two lambs of the first year without spot, and two tenth deals of flour for a meat offering, mingled with oil, and the drink offering thereof:

10 This is the burnt offering of every sabbath, beside the continual burnt offering, and his drink offering.
(Numbers 28:9-10)
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First realise how Jesus was used to do so fullfiling the Law.
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Do you sacrifice two lambs, some flour, and some oil every sabbath as God commanded the Israelites to do?

9 And on the sabbath day two lambs of the first year without spot, and two tenth deals of flour for a meat offering, mingled with oil, and the drink offering thereof:

10 This is the burnt offering of every sabbath, beside the continual burnt offering, and his drink offering.
(Numbers 28:9-10)
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 28988802


DID YOU READ THE VERSES IN THE THREAD?

Address that first with your saviour and then maybe I will answer your question..Stay on topic
1 But these took this counsel among themselves, that they would leave the multitude of the heathen, and go forth into a further country, where never mankind dwelt,
42 That they might there keep their statutes, which they never kept in their own land.
43 And they entered into Euphrates by the narrow places of the river.
44 For the most High then shewed signs for them, and held still the flood, till they were passed over.
45 For through that country there was a great way to go, namely, of a year and a half: and the same region is called Arsareth.
46 Then dwelt they there until the latter time; and now when they shall begin to come,
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So, Tinker Toy, I guess YOU think YOU are saved. And...yet...I don't think you follow all of those 613 laws in the Old Testament. In fact, I KNOW for a fact that you don't even follow half of them. Have you ever read the Old Testament? There are even laws about what kind of clothing you must wear. You must kill rebellious children and all those who work on Sunday. God takes these laws seriously. He told the people they had to STONE a man to death for picking up sticks on the sabbath.

So, as I see it, you are not following God's laws. The road is very narrow, as per Jesus, so that only a very FEW get in. I am thinking that you will not be one of them. Jesus said to sell everything you own and give it ALL to the poor and yet here you sit on your expensive computer. You are just a Pharisee. You judge everyone else while not noting that your own shit is smelling twice as bad.

So my question to you is this: What makes you think that YOU are so worthy to go to heaven? What makes you different from those peole you judge as being pagan Christians. Maybe they love Jesus more than you do? Maybe you are nothing but a worthless Pharisee?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 20657814


I am not going to heaven but will inherit the earth as the book teaches.

I live in accordance to the scriptures and the book reveals who you are.if one walks contrary obeying traditions of man and this world then you are pagan.


maybe you should read the book and the thread and make amends
 Quoting: Neim-Ya'shar


No, you are NOT going to inherit the earth or anything else. You are going to die, turn to dust, or you will be incinerated in a fire during a cremation. You are nothing but an animal. You are NOT immortal. You are a mortal being, just like a cockroach. You cling to these foolish myths about God and Satan because you have a large and out of control ego. You DO NOT live forever...anywhere. When you finally accept this, tinker toy, you will be an adult.

I doubt that you will ever grow up. You lie to yourself every single day. You think you live in accordance to the scriptures? Which ones? You certainly don't live by many of them listed in the Old Testament. And maybe YOU should repent of the sin of pride, arrogance, self-righteousness, etc., which were all sins of the Pharisees, and these are your sins as well. Jesus called them "sons of Satan" so I wonder what he would call YOU?

I suppose you belong to the cult of Jehovah's Witnesses. There is no talking to people like you. Once you have been brainwashed, you are basically brain dead. You are a sad specimen of a human being and it is actually a very good thing that you don't live forever. Study science. Grow a brain. Do something worthwhile with your life. No one gives a shit what you believe, except those who believe exactly like you do. No one gives a shit what I believe either but at least I am not condemning people to some imaginary hell.

If you had a child that stopped going to your Saturday cult meetings and decided to leave your cult, could you kill them? Could you torture them forever? Well, I would imagine YOU could, but most people have more love in their hearts. They would never torture the children they love. Yet your horrible monster named Jehovah tortures most of the world forever? I would be very careful, if I were you. If you think he would do this to so many people, I would think it would be a little hard to trust such a creature? It would be like putting all your trust in Hitler, if he had all the power. One wrong move and you will be a tortured man yourself, if you aren't already. Grow up. Myths and fairy tales are for kids.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 20657814


why argue with me when all i gave you was from your bible? i even gave you the verses.. GO FIGHT WITH GOD
 Quoting: Neim-Ya'shar


Isn't that like the pot calling the kettle black? I haven't been directly quoting Scripture but I have been telling you about Scripture verses all along. Jesus hated the Pharisees. He hated them because they saw themselves as something special, they looked their noses down on others and thought most people were not worthy of heaven. You seem like the same kind of person.

The Pharisees were also blind to their own sins. They just couldn't see them. Just like you. You quote all these Scripture verses, just like a Pharisee. The Pharisees knew the scriptures like the back of their hands. But they didn't have a single drop of love in their hearts. They are an exact replica of someone like you. You, apparently, don't care that this monster Jehovah will torment most people forever. All you care about is converting people to your religion. The Pharisees went out far and wide to try to convert people and Jesus said they made them twice the children of Satan that they were. Maybe YOU should try to read the Bible, instead of just listening to your church propaganda. Do you think?
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Do you sacrifice two lambs, some flour, and some oil every sabbath as God commanded the Israelites to do?

9 And on the sabbath day two lambs of the first year without spot, and two tenth deals of flour for a meat offering, mingled with oil, and the drink offering thereof:

10 This is the burnt offering of every sabbath, beside the continual burnt offering, and his drink offering.
(Numbers 28:9-10)
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 28988802


First realise how Jesus was used to do so fullfiling the Law.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 26268975


These guys are trying to sway the topic and trap you..stay on the topic and the verses shown
1 But these took this counsel among themselves, that they would leave the multitude of the heathen, and go forth into a further country, where never mankind dwelt,
42 That they might there keep their statutes, which they never kept in their own land.
43 And they entered into Euphrates by the narrow places of the river.
44 For the most High then shewed signs for them, and held still the flood, till they were passed over.
45 For through that country there was a great way to go, namely, of a year and a half: and the same region is called Arsareth.
46 Then dwelt they there until the latter time; and now when they shall begin to come,
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I am not going to heaven but will inherit the earth as the book teaches.

I live in accordance to the scriptures and the book reveals who you are.if one walks contrary obeying traditions of man and this world then you are pagan.


maybe you should read the book and the thread and make amends
 Quoting: Neim-Ya'shar


No, you are NOT going to inherit the earth or anything else. You are going to die, turn to dust, or you will be incinerated in a fire during a cremation. You are nothing but an animal. You are NOT immortal. You are a mortal being, just like a cockroach. You cling to these foolish myths about God and Satan because you have a large and out of control ego. You DO NOT live forever...anywhere. When you finally accept this, tinker toy, you will be an adult.

I doubt that you will ever grow up. You lie to yourself every single day. You think you live in accordance to the scriptures? Which ones? You certainly don't live by many of them listed in the Old Testament. And maybe YOU should repent of the sin of pride, arrogance, self-righteousness, etc., which were all sins of the Pharisees, and these are your sins as well. Jesus called them "sons of Satan" so I wonder what he would call YOU?

I suppose you belong to the cult of Jehovah's Witnesses. There is no talking to people like you. Once you have been brainwashed, you are basically brain dead. You are a sad specimen of a human being and it is actually a very good thing that you don't live forever. Study science. Grow a brain. Do something worthwhile with your life. No one gives a shit what you believe, except those who believe exactly like you do. No one gives a shit what I believe either but at least I am not condemning people to some imaginary hell.

If you had a child that stopped going to your Saturday cult meetings and decided to leave your cult, could you kill them? Could you torture them forever? Well, I would imagine YOU could, but most people have more love in their hearts. They would never torture the children they love. Yet your horrible monster named Jehovah tortures most of the world forever? I would be very careful, if I were you. If you think he would do this to so many people, I would think it would be a little hard to trust such a creature? It would be like putting all your trust in Hitler, if he had all the power. One wrong move and you will be a tortured man yourself, if you aren't already. Grow up. Myths and fairy tales are for kids.
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why argue with me when all i gave you was from your bible? i even gave you the verses.. GO FIGHT WITH GOD
 Quoting: Neim-Ya'shar


Isn't that like the pot calling the kettle black? I haven't been directly quoting Scripture but I have been telling you about Scripture verses all along. Jesus hated the Pharisees. He hated them because they saw themselves as something special, they looked their noses down on others and thought most people were not worthy of heaven. You seem like the same kind of person.

The Pharisees were also blind to their own sins. They just couldn't see them. Just like you. You quote all these Scripture verses, just like a Pharisee. The Pharisees knew the scriptures like the back of their hands. But they didn't have a single drop of love in their hearts. They are an exact replica of someone like you. You, apparently, don't care that this monster Jehovah will torment most people forever. All you care about is converting people to your religion. The Pharisees went out far and wide to try to convert people and Jesus said they made them twice the children of Satan that they were. Maybe YOU should try to read the Bible, instead of just listening to your church propaganda. Do you think?
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the pharisees did not teach messiah or valued his teaching like you are...who is a pharisee when you reject the new testament teachings of messiah ?


New Testament James chapter 4
11 Speak not evil one of another, brethren. He that speaketh evil of his brother, and judgeth his brother, speaketh evil of the law, and judgeth the law: but if thou judge the law, thou art not a doer of the law, but a judge.

12 There is one lawgiver, who is able to save and to destroy: who art thou that judgest another?

Last Edited by Neim-Ya'shar on 12/03/2012 09:19 AM
1 But these took this counsel among themselves, that they would leave the multitude of the heathen, and go forth into a further country, where never mankind dwelt,
42 That they might there keep their statutes, which they never kept in their own land.
43 And they entered into Euphrates by the narrow places of the river.
44 For the most High then shewed signs for them, and held still the flood, till they were passed over.
45 For through that country there was a great way to go, namely, of a year and a half: and the same region is called Arsareth.
46 Then dwelt they there until the latter time; and now when they shall begin to come,
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No, you are NOT going to inherit the earth or anything else. You are going to die, turn to dust, or you will be incinerated in a fire during a cremation. You are nothing but an animal. You are NOT immortal. You are a mortal being, just like a cockroach. You cling to these foolish myths about God and Satan because you have a large and out of control ego. You DO NOT live forever...anywhere. When you finally accept this, tinker toy, you will be an adult.

I doubt that you will ever grow up. You lie to yourself every single day. You think you live in accordance to the scriptures? Which ones? You certainly don't live by many of them listed in the Old Testament. And maybe YOU should repent of the sin of pride, arrogance, self-righteousness, etc., which were all sins of the Pharisees, and these are your sins as well. Jesus called them "sons of Satan" so I wonder what he would call YOU?

I suppose you belong to the cult of Jehovah's Witnesses. There is no talking to people like you. Once you have been brainwashed, you are basically brain dead. You are a sad specimen of a human being and it is actually a very good thing that you don't live forever. Study science. Grow a brain. Do something worthwhile with your life. No one gives a shit what you believe, except those who believe exactly like you do. No one gives a shit what I believe either but at least I am not condemning people to some imaginary hell.

If you had a child that stopped going to your Saturday cult meetings and decided to leave your cult, could you kill them? Could you torture them forever? Well, I would imagine YOU could, but most people have more love in their hearts. They would never torture the children they love. Yet your horrible monster named Jehovah tortures most of the world forever? I would be very careful, if I were you. If you think he would do this to so many people, I would think it would be a little hard to trust such a creature? It would be like putting all your trust in Hitler, if he had all the power. One wrong move and you will be a tortured man yourself, if you aren't already. Grow up. Myths and fairy tales are for kids.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 20657814


why argue with me when all i gave you was from your bible? i even gave you the verses.. GO FIGHT WITH GOD
 Quoting: Neim-Ya'shar


Isn't that like the pot calling the kettle black? I haven't been directly quoting Scripture but I have been telling you about Scripture verses all along. Jesus hated the Pharisees. He hated them because they saw themselves as something special, they looked their noses down on others and thought most people were not worthy of heaven. You seem like the same kind of person.

The Pharisees were also blind to their own sins. They just couldn't see them. Just like you. You quote all these Scripture verses, just like a Pharisee. The Pharisees knew the scriptures like the back of their hands. But they didn't have a single drop of love in their hearts. They are an exact replica of someone like you. You, apparently, don't care that this monster Jehovah will torment most people forever. All you care about is converting people to your religion. The Pharisees went out far and wide to try to convert people and Jesus said they made them twice the children of Satan that they were. Maybe YOU should try to read the Bible, instead of just listening to your church propaganda. Do you think?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 20657814


the pharisees did not teach messiah or valued his teaching like you are...who is a pharisee when you reject the new testament teachings of messiah ?


New Testament James chapter 4
11 Speak not evil one of another, brethren. He that speaketh evil of his brother, and judgeth his brother, speaketh evil of the law, and judgeth the law: but if thou judge the law, thou art not a doer of the law, but a judge.

12 There is one lawgiver, who is able to save and to destroy: who art thou that judgest another?
 Quoting: Neim-Ya'shar


And I suppose YOU are not judging another when you call most Christians PAGANS? That is not judging? I guess you are correct. Jehovah's Witnesses are the ONLY people in the entire world who have a correct handle on the interpreting of Scripture. I won't be back for a while cause I am going to contact my nearest Jehovah Witness church and become one. I dont' want to risk going to hell.

But then...I have heard of these people called Mormons, and I better study their religion and become one of them too. What if they are correct and you are wrong? I don't want to take that chance. I will become a Mormon AND a Jehovah's Witness.

And what about that Landover Baptist church. Those people are so full of hate that it is brimming over so they MUST have the correct interpretation of Scripture. I better go join them. And maybe I will get me some rosary beads and become a Catholic....just in case. And maybe I should study Calvinism. They go out and sin and think they are the only ones chosen from God. It doesn't matter what you do. God CHOOSES YOU. I kind of like that religion, so I will try to become one of them.

And maybe I might try on some New Age stuff. It is interesting. Maybe I will study Hinduism, Buddhism and the Islam religion. The fact is I don't want to piss off any God. Maybe you are correct, but here again, EVERYONE thinks they are correct. So I don't want to miss out on ANY religion because every single God sends their non-believers to hell. So I won't be back now. I will be studying. I am so glad I can worship on Saturday and Sunday. This gives me lots of time.
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why argue with me when all i gave you was from your bible? i even gave you the verses.. GO FIGHT WITH GOD
 Quoting: Neim-Ya'shar


Isn't that like the pot calling the kettle black? I haven't been directly quoting Scripture but I have been telling you about Scripture verses all along. Jesus hated the Pharisees. He hated them because they saw themselves as something special, they looked their noses down on others and thought most people were not worthy of heaven. You seem like the same kind of person.

The Pharisees were also blind to their own sins. They just couldn't see them. Just like you. You quote all these Scripture verses, just like a Pharisee. The Pharisees knew the scriptures like the back of their hands. But they didn't have a single drop of love in their hearts. They are an exact replica of someone like you. You, apparently, don't care that this monster Jehovah will torment most people forever. All you care about is converting people to your religion. The Pharisees went out far and wide to try to convert people and Jesus said they made them twice the children of Satan that they were. Maybe YOU should try to read the Bible, instead of just listening to your church propaganda. Do you think?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 20657814


the pharisees did not teach messiah or valued his teaching like you are...who is a pharisee when you reject the new testament teachings of messiah ?


New Testament James chapter 4
11 Speak not evil one of another, brethren. He that speaketh evil of his brother, and judgeth his brother, speaketh evil of the law, and judgeth the law: but if thou judge the law, thou art not a doer of the law, but a judge.

12 There is one lawgiver, who is able to save and to destroy: who art thou that judgest another?
 Quoting: Neim-Ya'shar


And I suppose YOU are not judging another when you call most Christians PAGANS? That is not judging? I guess you are correct. Jehovah's Witnesses are the ONLY people in the entire world who have a correct handle on the interpreting of Scripture. I won't be back for a while cause I am going to contact my nearest Jehovah Witness church and become one. I dont' want to risk going to hell.

But then...I have heard of these people called Mormons, and I better study their religion and become one of them too. What if they are correct and you are wrong? I don't want to take that chance. I will become a Mormon AND a Jehovah's Witness.

And what about that Landover Baptist church. Those people are so full of hate that it is brimming over so they MUST have the correct interpretation of Scripture. I better go join them. And maybe I will get me some rosary beads and become a Catholic....just in case. And maybe I should study Calvinism. They go out and sin and think they are the only ones chosen from God. It doesn't matter what you do. God CHOOSES YOU. I kind of like that religion, so I will try to become one of them.

And maybe I might try on some New Age stuff. It is interesting. Maybe I will study Hinduism, Buddhism and the Islam religion. The fact is I don't want to piss off any God. Maybe you are correct, but here again, EVERYONE thinks they are correct. So I don't want to miss out on ANY religion because every single God sends their non-believers to hell. So I won't be back now. I will be studying. I am so glad I can worship on Saturday and Sunday. This gives me lots of time.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 20657814

If the cap fit wear it, because if you are in compliance according to your bible then the word will not expose you.He who is against christ is an antichrist.If your are opposing the word then you are pagan and heathen..The bible tells you so
1 But these took this counsel among themselves, that they would leave the multitude of the heathen, and go forth into a further country, where never mankind dwelt,
42 That they might there keep their statutes, which they never kept in their own land.
43 And they entered into Euphrates by the narrow places of the river.
44 For the most High then shewed signs for them, and held still the flood, till they were passed over.
45 For through that country there was a great way to go, namely, of a year and a half: and the same region is called Arsareth.
46 Then dwelt they there until the latter time; and now when they shall begin to come,
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Isn't that like the pot calling the kettle black? I haven't been directly quoting Scripture but I have been telling you about Scripture verses all along. Jesus hated the Pharisees. He hated them because they saw themselves as something special, they looked their noses down on others and thought most people were not worthy of heaven. You seem like the same kind of person.

The Pharisees were also blind to their own sins. They just couldn't see them. Just like you. You quote all these Scripture verses, just like a Pharisee. The Pharisees knew the scriptures like the back of their hands. But they didn't have a single drop of love in their hearts. They are an exact replica of someone like you. You, apparently, don't care that this monster Jehovah will torment most people forever. All you care about is converting people to your religion. The Pharisees went out far and wide to try to convert people and Jesus said they made them twice the children of Satan that they were. Maybe YOU should try to read the Bible, instead of just listening to your church propaganda. Do you think?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 20657814


the pharisees did not teach messiah or valued his teaching like you are...who is a pharisee when you reject the new testament teachings of messiah ?


New Testament James chapter 4
11 Speak not evil one of another, brethren. He that speaketh evil of his brother, and judgeth his brother, speaketh evil of the law, and judgeth the law: but if thou judge the law, thou art not a doer of the law, but a judge.

12 There is one lawgiver, who is able to save and to destroy: who art thou that judgest another?
 Quoting: Neim-Ya'shar


And I suppose YOU are not judging another when you call most Christians PAGANS? That is not judging? I guess you are correct. Jehovah's Witnesses are the ONLY people in the entire world who have a correct handle on the interpreting of Scripture. I won't be back for a while cause I am going to contact my nearest Jehovah Witness church and become one. I dont' want to risk going to hell.

But then...I have heard of these people called Mormons, and I better study their religion and become one of them too. What if they are correct and you are wrong? I don't want to take that chance. I will become a Mormon AND a Jehovah's Witness.

And what about that Landover Baptist church. Those people are so full of hate that it is brimming over so they MUST have the correct interpretation of Scripture. I better go join them. And maybe I will get me some rosary beads and become a Catholic....just in case. And maybe I should study Calvinism. They go out and sin and think they are the only ones chosen from God. It doesn't matter what you do. God CHOOSES YOU. I kind of like that religion, so I will try to become one of them.

And maybe I might try on some New Age stuff. It is interesting. Maybe I will study Hinduism, Buddhism and the Islam religion. The fact is I don't want to piss off any God. Maybe you are correct, but here again, EVERYONE thinks they are correct. So I don't want to miss out on ANY religion because every single God sends their non-believers to hell. So I won't be back now. I will be studying. I am so glad I can worship on Saturday and Sunday. This gives me lots of time.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 20657814

If the cap fit wear it, because if you are in compliance according to your bible then the word will not expose you.He who is against christ is an antichrist.If your are opposing the word then you are pagan and heathen..The bible tells you so
 Quoting: Neim-Ya'shar


Spend time in the word and tell truth to each your neighbor..i tell you the truth and it is the word not mine
1 But these took this counsel among themselves, that they would leave the multitude of the heathen, and go forth into a further country, where never mankind dwelt,
42 That they might there keep their statutes, which they never kept in their own land.
43 And they entered into Euphrates by the narrow places of the river.
44 For the most High then shewed signs for them, and held still the flood, till they were passed over.
45 For through that country there was a great way to go, namely, of a year and a half: and the same region is called Arsareth.
46 Then dwelt they there until the latter time; and now when they shall begin to come,
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I suggest to you read and humble yourselves and respect the living word who is Christ our savior.Te book of Hebrews states that he came in the "VOLUME OF THE BOOK", but you continue to lie and bring dishonor to the holy one of Israel.Christ is the law and the law giver

Galations chapter 3
17 And this I say, that the covenant, that was confirmed before of God in Christ, the law, which was four hundred and thirty years after, cannot disannul, that it should make the promise of none effect.



Romans chapter 2
11 For there is no respect of persons with God.
12 For as many as have sinned without law shall also perish without law: and as many as have sinned in the law shall be judged by the law;

The lawless will be judged and will perish for their lawlessness.Then all all others shall be judged by the law. This is why paul taufght us thatwe run for the best prize. So tell me *PEOPLE OF EARTH* which are you?, this is indicative to the book of revelation!

13 (For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified.

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THE LAW IS ALIVE!

FAITH WITHOUT WORKS IS DEAD!

YOUR WORKS ARE TO OBEY THE LAWS OF THE LAWGIVER AND EXECUTING IT BY YOUR ACTIONS TOWARD THE FATHER AND YOUR FELLOWMEN DURING YOUR LIFE HERE ON EARTH.


New Testament James chapter 4
11 Speak not evil one of another, brethren. He that speaketh evil of his brother, and judgeth his brother, speaketh evil of the law, and judgeth the law: but if thou judge the law, thou art not a doer of the law, but a judge.

12 There is one lawgiver, who is able to save and to destroy: who art thou that judgest another?


YOUR FAITH IS THE HOPE IN MESSIAH FOR THE THINGS PROMISED BY HIM AND THE FATHER BY BELIEVING IN HIM AND SEEKING OUT HIS WAYS DILGENTLY.BEING CONFIDENT IN THE UNSEEN OR FUTURISTIC UNKNOWN WHICH THE FATHER HAD REVEALED TO BELIEVERS

THE BOOK OF JAMES BROKE IT DOWN AGAIN FOR YOU NEW AGERS AND FOLLOWERS OF THE ANTICHRIST PROGRAM

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8 If ye fulfil the royal law according to the scripture, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself, ye do well:
Lev 19:18 Matt 5:43 Matt 19:19 Matt 22:39 Mark 12:31 Rom 13:9 Gal 5:14

9 But if ye have respect to persons, ye commit sin, and are convinced of the law as transgressors.

10 For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.
Deut 27:26 Gal 3:10

11 For he that said, Do not commit adultery, said also, Do not kill. Now if thou commit no adultery, yet if thou kill, thou art become a transgressor of the law.
Exod 20:14,13

12 So speak ye, and so do, as they that shall be judged by the law of liberty.

13 For he shall have judgment without mercy, that hath shewed no mercy; and mercy rejoiceth against judgment.

14 What doth it profit, my brethren, though a man say he hath faith, and have not works? can faith save him?

15 If a brother or sister be naked, and destitute of daily food,

16 And one of you say unto them, Depart in peace, be ye warmed and filled; notwithstanding ye give them not those things which are needful to the body; what doth it profit?

17 Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone.

18 Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works: shew me thy faith without thy works, and I will shew thee my faith by my works.

19 Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble.

20 But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead?

21 Was not Abraham our father justified by works, when he had offered Isaac his son upon the altar?

22 Seest thou how faith wrought with his works, and by works was faith made perfect?

23 And the scripture was fulfilled which saith, Abraham believed God, and it was imputed unto him for righteousness: and he was called the Friend of God.
Gen 15:6 Rom 4:3 Gal 3:6 Isa 41:8

24 Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only.

25 Likewise also was not Rahab the harlot justified by works, when she had received the messengers, and had sent them out another way?

26
For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also.






THE book of revelation chapter 14

12 Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.

13 And I heard a voice from heaven saying unto me, Write, Blessed are the dead which die in the Lord from henceforth: Yea, saith the Spirit, that they may rest from their labours; and their works do follow them.
 Quoting: Neim-Ya'shar



Bravo!

Faith, true faith yields works based on that faith naturally.

There is no effort in it when it is done on faith.

Faith, false faith, is merely a word one uses to elevate themselves over others when no work follows it.

Give all Glory to the Lord, is a statement of faith.

This work is the work of the Lord, is faith.

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