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PAGAN CHRISTIANS WHO TEACH FALSEHOOD OF THE LAW,FAITH AND WORKS

 
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"But we are all like an unclean thing, and all our righteousnesses are like filthy rags."


Isaiah 64: 6


Only the Holy Spirit......when He comes to live inside someone......can generate good works. That is why those good works are described as the fruit of the Spirit.



Your first sin killed you.......at around the age of 8 or 9......when you understood the law......and then went out and fibbed to your mom......etc. This separated you from God. God is Holy.


That is why Christ said you must be born again......born of the Spirit.....indwelt by the Holy Spirit......and re-connected with God.
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Do you sacrifice two lambs, some flour, and some oil every sabbath as God commanded the Israelites to do?

9 And on the sabbath day two lambs of the first year without spot, and two tenth deals of flour for a meat offering, mingled with oil, and the drink offering thereof:

10 This is the burnt offering of every sabbath, beside the continual burnt offering, and his drink offering.
(Numbers 28:9-10)
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 28988802


DID YOU READ THE VERSES IN THE THREAD?

Address that first with your saviour and then maybe I will answer your question..Stay on topic
 Quoting: Neim-Ya'shar


It is on topic for your thread. In your first post you wrote:

"10 For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.
Deut 27:26 Gal 3:10 "

Making those sacrifices is a point of the law you say you are obeying. If you aren't making those sacrifices, you are breaking the law. You are guilty of breaking the whole law.

Whereas according to the bible, Christians aren't supposed to be under the Law of Moses, therefore Christians aren't supposed to perform those sacrifices every sabbath.

For some reason you want Christians to ignore the bible, and do what you say instead. You want Christians to join you in your law breaking. You shouldn't be doing that.
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-Galations chapter 3
17 And this I say, that the covenant, that was confirmed before of God in Christ, the law, which was four hundred and thirty years after, cannot disannul, that it should make the promise of none effect.

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This was the Law of Moses or sacrificial system that did end with Jesus. God's 10C law remains forever.
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Gal 3:10 "For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continues not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them."

The "book of the law" is the Law of Moses who wrote it is a book. God's 10C law was written on tables of stone.
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The ordinances God gave Moses to write and the Ten commandments written in stone by God are two different things.


2 Chronicles 33:8 Neither will I any more remove the foot of Israel from out of the land which I have appointed for your fathers; so that they will take heed to do all that I have commanded them, according to the whole law and the statutes and the ordinances by the hand of Moses.

Exodus 24:3 And Moses came and told the people all the words of the LORD, and all the judgments: and all the people answered with one voice, and said, All the words which the LORD hath said will we do.

4 And Moses wrote all the words of the LORD, and rose up early in the morning, and builded an altar under the hill, and twelve pillars, according to the twelve tribes of Israel.

5 And he sent young men of the children of Israel, which offered burnt offerings, and sacrificed peace offerings of oxen unto the LORD.

6 And Moses took half of the blood, and put it in basons; and half of the blood he sprinkled on the altar.

7 And he took the book of the covenant, and read in the audience of the people: and they said, All that the LORD hath said will we do, and be obedient.

8 And Moses took the blood, and sprinkled it on the people, and said, Behold the blood of the covenant, which the LORD hath made with you concerning all these words.

9 Then went up Moses, and Aaron, Nadab, and Abihu, and seventy of the elders of Israel:

10 And they saw the God of Israel: and there was under his feet as it were a paved work of a sapphire stone, and as it were the body of heaven in his clearness.

11 And upon the nobles of the children of Israel he laid not his hand: also they saw God, and did eat and drink.

12 And the LORD said unto Moses, Come up to me into the mount, and be there: and I will give thee tables of stone, and a law, and commandments which I have written; that thou mayest teach them.



The ordinances were written by Moses in a book. The commandments were written by God on tabels of stone.


2 Chron.35:12 And they removed the burnt offerings, that they might give according to the divisions of the families of the people, to offer unto the LORD, as it is written in the book of Moses. And so did they with the oxen.


Moses' book was placed in the side of the Ark of the Covenant while God's Ten Commandments were placed inside the Ark.


Deut.31:24 And it came to pass, when Moses had made an end of writing the words of this law in a book, until they were finished,

25 That Moses commanded the Levites, which bare the ark of the covenant of the LORD, saying,

26 Take this book of the law, and put it in the side of the ark of the covenant of the LORD your God, that it may be there for a witness against thee.


Exodus 31:18
And [the Lord] gave to Moses, when He had made an end of communing with him on Mount Sinai, two tables of testimony, tables of stone, written with the finger of God.


Deuteronomy 10
1 At that time the LORD said unto me, Hew thee two tables of stone like unto the first, and come up unto me into the mount, and make thee an ark of wood.

2 And I will write on the tables the words that were in the first tables which thou brakest, and thou shalt put them in the ark.

3 And I made an ark of shittim wood, and hewed two tables of stone like unto the first, and went up into the mount, having the two tables in mine hand.

4 And he wrote on the tables, according to the first writing, the ten commandments, which the LORD spake unto you in the mount out of the midst of the fire in the day of the assembly: and the LORD gave them unto me.

5 And I turned myself and came down from the mount, and put the tables in the ark which I had made; and there they be, as the LORD commanded me.


1 Kings 8:9 There was nothing in the ark save the two tables of stone.



The cerimonial ordinances of Moses' lawbook were a shadowy schoolmaster for the coming Messiah. The sacrificial system of atonement.


Galatians 3:24 Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.


Heb.10:1 For the law having a shadow of good things to come, and not the very image of the things, can never with those sacrifices which they offered year by year continually make the comers thereunto perfect.


Gal.3:19 Why then the law? It was added because of transgressions, until the offspring should come to whom the promise had been made, and it was put in place through angels by an intermediary. Now an intermediary implies more than one, but God is one.
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The "book of the law" is the Law of Moses who wrote it is a book. God's 10C law was written on tables of stone.
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You read the ten commandments from the Law of Moses didn't you? You've never seen the tables of stone.
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Do you sacrifice two lambs, some flour, and some oil every sabbath as God commanded the Israelites to do?

9 And on the sabbath day two lambs of the first year without spot, and two tenth deals of flour for a meat offering, mingled with oil, and the drink offering thereof:

10 This is the burnt offering of every sabbath, beside the continual burnt offering, and his drink offering.
(Numbers 28:9-10)
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 28988802


DID YOU READ THE VERSES IN THE THREAD?

Address that first with your saviour and then maybe I will answer your question..Stay on topic
 Quoting: Neim-Ya'shar


It is on topic for your thread. In your first post you wrote:

"10 For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.
Deut 27:26 Gal 3:10 "

Making those sacrifices is a point of the law you say you are obeying. If you aren't making those sacrifices, you are breaking the law. You are guilty of breaking the whole law.

Whereas according to the bible, Christians aren't supposed to be under the Law of Moses, therefore Christians aren't supposed to perform those sacrifices every sabbath.

For some reason you want Christians to ignore the bible, and do what you say instead. You want Christians to join you in your law breaking. You shouldn't be doing that.
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17 Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone.

18 Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works: shew me thy faith without thy works, and I will shew thee my faith by my works.

19 Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble.

20 But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead?

1 But these took this counsel among themselves, that they would leave the multitude of the heathen, and go forth into a further country, where never mankind dwelt,
42 That they might there keep their statutes, which they never kept in their own land.
43 And they entered into Euphrates by the narrow places of the river.
44 For the most High then shewed signs for them, and held still the flood, till they were passed over.
45 For through that country there was a great way to go, namely, of a year and a half: and the same region is called Arsareth.
46 Then dwelt they there until the latter time; and now when they shall begin to come,
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Do you sacrifice two lambs, some flour, and some oil every sabbath as God commanded the Israelites to do?

9 And on the sabbath day two lambs of the first year without spot, and two tenth deals of flour for a meat offering, mingled with oil, and the drink offering thereof:

10 This is the burnt offering of every sabbath, beside the continual burnt offering, and his drink offering.
(Numbers 28:9-10)
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 28988802


DID YOU READ THE VERSES IN THE THREAD?

Address that first with your saviour and then maybe I will answer your question..Stay on topic
 Quoting: Neim-Ya'shar


It is on topic for your thread. In your first post you wrote:

"10 For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.
Deut 27:26 Gal 3:10 "

Making those sacrifices is a point of the law you say you are obeying. If you aren't making those sacrifices, you are breaking the law. You are guilty of breaking the whole law.

Whereas according to the bible, Christians aren't supposed to be under the Law of Moses, therefore Christians aren't supposed to perform those sacrifices every sabbath.

For some reason you want Christians to ignore the bible, and do what you say instead. You want Christians to join you in your law breaking. You shouldn't be doing that.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 28988802


17 Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone.

18 Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works: shew me thy faith without thy works, and I will shew thee my faith by my works.

19 Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble.

20 But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead?

 Quoting: Neim-Ya'shar


So why are you evading a simple question? Do you perform those sacrifices every sabbath? Yes or no?
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DID YOU READ THE VERSES IN THE THREAD?

Address that first with your saviour and then maybe I will answer your question..Stay on topic
 Quoting: Neim-Ya'shar


It is on topic for your thread. In your first post you wrote:

"10 For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.
Deut 27:26 Gal 3:10 "

Making those sacrifices is a point of the law you say you are obeying. If you aren't making those sacrifices, you are breaking the law. You are guilty of breaking the whole law.

Whereas according to the bible, Christians aren't supposed to be under the Law of Moses, therefore Christians aren't supposed to perform those sacrifices every sabbath.

For some reason you want Christians to ignore the bible, and do what you say instead. You want Christians to join you in your law breaking. You shouldn't be doing that.
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17 Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone.

18 Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works: shew me thy faith without thy works, and I will shew thee my faith by my works.

19 Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble.

20 But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead?

 Quoting: Neim-Ya'shar


So why are you evading a simple question? Do you perform those sacrifices every sabbath? Yes or no?
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Hosea 6:6 For I desire mercy, not sacrifice, and acknowledgment of ...
... I want you to know me more than I want burnt offerings. ... For I desire steadfast love
and not sacrifice, the knowledge of God rather than burnt offerings.

Leviticus 16:31 It is a sabbath of rest, and you must deny yourselves; it is a lasting ordinance.

Is not this the kind of fasting I have chosen: to loose the chains of injustice and untie the cords of the yoke, to set the oppressed free and break every yoke? Isaiah 58:6 Is it not to share your food with the hungry and to provide the poor wanderer with shelter--when you see the naked, to clothe him, and not to turn away from your own flesh and blood?
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Faith Alone came from Martin Luther's head not God. This
heresy so screws (sorry) up Protestants. There are other
heresies that stem from it. So sad, like the "imputation"
heresy, professing you are a saved by Christ taking on all
your sins on the Cross. He imputes His perfect righteousness
onto you because you are completely depraved. LOL if it wasn't
so serious, "completely depraved" is a lie (another heresy) too.

The only place you see faith alone written in the Bible is James 2:24.

Do you see that by works a man is justified; and not by faith only? Cancelled....


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James 2:24

King James Version (KJV)

Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only.

Sola Fide is Cancelled...
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James 2:24

King James Version (KJV)

Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only.

Sola Fide is Cancelled...
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CLAP
1 But these took this counsel among themselves, that they would leave the multitude of the heathen, and go forth into a further country, where never mankind dwelt,
42 That they might there keep their statutes, which they never kept in their own land.
43 And they entered into Euphrates by the narrow places of the river.
44 For the most High then shewed signs for them, and held still the flood, till they were passed over.
45 For through that country there was a great way to go, namely, of a year and a half: and the same region is called Arsareth.
46 Then dwelt they there until the latter time; and now when they shall begin to come,
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Very interesting reaction to this thread. It doesn't matter how much or how little one knows about the Bible, everyone suddenly becomes a Theologian and Bible scholar when their salvation is challenged. As a Christian I respect one's faith or one's view of scripture. If you read the Bible and ponder on it's deeper scriptural/spiritual meaning, the Holy Spirit will fill in the blanks and answer questions you may have. God says "My ways are not your ways" so I ask you, Do you think God keeps a scorecard, tallying up your points at the end. If so,,, is the concept of Salvation until God decides you haven't worked hard enough to keep it... really called "Probation" and not Salvation.. If you think you know everything about God, Jesus and the Bible, then you are only allowing yourself to be fooled by seducing spirits.....Just pray for your answer, for through prayer all questions are answered...

Ananias
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Very interesting reaction to this thread. It doesn't matter how much or how little one knows about the Bible, everyone suddenly becomes a Theologian and Bible scholar when their salvation is challenged. As a Christian I respect one's faith or one's view of scripture. If you read the Bible and ponder on it's deeper scriptural/spiritual meaning, the Holy Spirit will fill in the blanks and answer questions you may have. God says "My ways are not your ways" so I ask you, Do you think God keeps a scorecard, tallying up your points at the end. If so,,, is the concept of Salvation until God decides you haven't worked hard enough to keep it... really called "Probation" and not Salvation.. If you think you know everything about God, Jesus and the Bible, then you are only allowing yourself to be fooled by seducing spirits.....Just pray for your answer, for through prayer all questions are answered...

Ananias
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we can never know everything about him except through fasting prayer and obedience. like he said to joshua to keep his eyes on the book of the law do not turn to the right or to the left and you will be properous in all your ways.
it was also commanded to teach others and show the the truth.
1 But these took this counsel among themselves, that they would leave the multitude of the heathen, and go forth into a further country, where never mankind dwelt,
42 That they might there keep their statutes, which they never kept in their own land.
43 And they entered into Euphrates by the narrow places of the river.
44 For the most High then shewed signs for them, and held still the flood, till they were passed over.
45 For through that country there was a great way to go, namely, of a year and a half: and the same region is called Arsareth.
46 Then dwelt they there until the latter time; and now when they shall begin to come,
:knoup:
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Do you sacrifice two lambs, some flour, and some oil every sabbath as God commanded the Israelites to do?

9 And on the sabbath day two lambs of the first year without spot, and two tenth deals of flour for a meat offering, mingled with oil, and the drink offering thereof:

10 This is the burnt offering of every sabbath, beside the continual burnt offering, and his drink offering.
(Numbers 28:9-10)
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 28988802


DID YOU READ THE VERSES IN THE THREAD?

Address that first with your saviour and then maybe I will answer your question..Stay on topic
 Quoting: Neim-Ya'shar


It is on topic for your thread. In your first post you wrote:

"10 For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.
Deut 27:26 Gal 3:10 "

Making those sacrifices is a point of the law you say you are obeying. If you aren't making those sacrifices, you are breaking the law. You are guilty of breaking the whole law.

Whereas according to the bible, Christians aren't supposed to be under the Law of Moses, therefore Christians aren't supposed to perform those sacrifices every sabbath.

For some reason you want Christians to ignore the bible, and do what you say instead. You want Christians to join you in your law breaking. You shouldn't be doing that.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 28988802

I refuse to really answer because you seem unlearned .All that was written is your new testament instructions.I will not go into all these other things with you but advise you to read and pray instead of ignorantly looking to do mischief and lacking much knowledge of the father
1 But these took this counsel among themselves, that they would leave the multitude of the heathen, and go forth into a further country, where never mankind dwelt,
42 That they might there keep their statutes, which they never kept in their own land.
43 And they entered into Euphrates by the narrow places of the river.
44 For the most High then shewed signs for them, and held still the flood, till they were passed over.
45 For through that country there was a great way to go, namely, of a year and a half: and the same region is called Arsareth.
46 Then dwelt they there until the latter time; and now when they shall begin to come,
:knoup:
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If you practice "communion," then you're practicing paganism as well as satanism. End of story.
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If you practice "communion," then you're practicing paganism as well as satanism. End of story.
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thats right
1 But these took this counsel among themselves, that they would leave the multitude of the heathen, and go forth into a further country, where never mankind dwelt,
42 That they might there keep their statutes, which they never kept in their own land.
43 And they entered into Euphrates by the narrow places of the river.
44 For the most High then shewed signs for them, and held still the flood, till they were passed over.
45 For through that country there was a great way to go, namely, of a year and a half: and the same region is called Arsareth.
46 Then dwelt they there until the latter time; and now when they shall begin to come,
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I did
John 5:39 "You search the Scriptures because you think that in them you have eternal (aionion) life; it is these that testify about Me;

Enough sad

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I did
John 5:39 "You search the Scriptures because you think that in them you have eternal (aionion) life; it is these that testify about Me;

Enough sad
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Anyone who breaks one of the least of these commandments and teaches others to do the same will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever practices and teaches these commands will be called great in the kingdom of heaven. Matthew 5:19
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I did
John 5:39 "You search the Scriptures because you think that in them you have eternal (aionion) life; it is these that testify about Me;

Enough sad
 Quoting: nzreva


Anyone who breaks one of the least of these commandments and teaches others to do the same will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever practices and teaches these commands will be called great in the kingdom of heaven. Matthew 5:19
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sweethf
1 But these took this counsel among themselves, that they would leave the multitude of the heathen, and go forth into a further country, where never mankind dwelt,
42 That they might there keep their statutes, which they never kept in their own land.
43 And they entered into Euphrates by the narrow places of the river.
44 For the most High then shewed signs for them, and held still the flood, till they were passed over.
45 For through that country there was a great way to go, namely, of a year and a half: and the same region is called Arsareth.
46 Then dwelt they there until the latter time; and now when they shall begin to come,
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