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Message Subject PAGAN CHRISTIANS WHO TEACH FALSEHOOD OF THE LAW,FAITH AND WORKS
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Here is a sample, the list of quotes are too long. If you reject what the first Christians believed, some of them who knew the Apostles, you end up following a lie, heresy.

There have been various heresies throughout 2000 years of the Church but the lie of "Faith Alone" came along in the
16th century, from Martin Luther.

Faith alone is no lie and was explicitly taught by Paul. Do you suggest that a man who calls on the name of Jesus to save him with his dying breath will still be damned because he has no opportunity to perform any works? Such a thing would be ridiculous to teach.

Notice the date on the quotes...

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The Early Church Fathers on
Justification

From the very beginning the Church taught that we are justified by faith which is manifested through works. As James tells us: “faith of itself, if it does not have works, is dead” (James 2:17). While the meaning of the text is plain some still deny it.

Clement of Rome

Let us therefore join with those to whom grace is given by God. Let us clothe ourselves in concord, being humble and self- controlled, keeping ourselves far from all backbiting and slander, being justified by works and not by words. . . . Why was our Father Abraham blessed? Was it not because of his deeds of justice and truth, wrought in faith? . . . So we, having been called through his will in Christ Jesus, were not justified through ourselves or through our own wisdom or understanding or piety or works which we wrought in holiness of heart, but through faith, whereby the almighty God justified all men. (Letter to the Corinthians 30:3, 31:2, 32:3-4 [A.D. 95]).

This explains that we are justified by faith, not through our own wisdom and understanding or indeed our works. Abraham's deeds were the result of his faith and yet the fact that he lived prior to Mosaic Law makes his faith and deeds all the more remarkable. Little wonder God chose to bless him richly.

Theophilus of Antioch

Give studious attention to the prophetic writings, and they will lead you on a clearer path to escape the eternal punishments and to obtain the eternal good things of God. He who gave the mouth for speech and formed the ears for hearing and made eyes for seeing will examine everything and will judge justly, granting recompense to each according to merit. To those who seek immortality by the patient exercise of good works, he will give everlasting life, joy, peace, rest, and all good things, which neither has eye seen nor ear heard, nor has it entered into the heart of man. For the unbelievers and for the contemptuous, and for those who do not submit to the truth but assent to iniquity, when they have been involved in adulteries and fornications and homosexuality and avarice and in lawless idolatries, there will be wrath and indignation, tribulation and anguish, and in the end such men as these will be detained in everlasting fire (To Autolycas 1:14 [ca. A.D. 181]).

This is pure BS. Man cannot reach immortality by the patient exercise of good works. The righteousness of man is as filthy rags in the sight of the Lord. We cannot earn a place by God's side, we must receive it as a gift.

Clement of Alexandria

When we hear, 'Your faith has saved you,' we do not understand the Lord to say simply that they will be saved who have believed in whatever manner, even if works have not followed. To begin with, it was to the Jews alone that he spoke this phrase, who had lived in accord with the law and blamelessly and who had lacked only faith in the Lord (Stromateis or Miscellanies 6:14:108:4 [post A.D. 202]).

Their faith did indeed save them and this was not isolated to Jews alone. Indeed, Jesus said that greater faith he had not seen than that of the Roman Centurion who was a gentile. The Jews were not blameless because they lived in accord with the law. They were blameless in the sight of the Lord because they offered a sacrifice in their stead when they broke the law. The sacrifice was temporary and did not prevent them from sinning. It was simply allowed as a substitute death in the eyes of the Lord so that the Jews would not be required to die. The Jews were NOT blameless, hence the need for sacrifices in the first place.

Origen

Whoever dies in his sins, even if he profess to believe in Christ, does not truly believe in him; and even if that which exists without works be called faith, such faith is dead in itself, as we read in the epistle bearing the name of James (Commentaries on John 19:6 [A.D. 226-232]).

What this is saying is that a man can profess to believe in Christ yet not truly believe in him and thus dies in his sins. It is this person for whom professed faith exists in absence of works. If we truly believe in Christ, we are COMPELLED by our faith to produce works as a fruit of the Spirit. That being said, it is not by our works that we are saved, but our faith.

Cyprian

You, then, who are rich and wealthy, buy for yourself from Christ gold purified in fire, for with your filth, as if burned away in the fire; you can be like pure gold, if you are cleansed by almsgiving and by works of justice. Buy yourself a white garment so that, although you had been naked like Adam and were formerly frightful and deformed, you may be clothed in the white garment of Christ. You who are a matron rich and wealthy, anoint not your eyes with the antimony of the devil, but with the salve of Christ, so that you may at last come to see God, when you have merited before God both by your works and by your manner of living (Works and Almsgiving 14 [A.D. 252]).

This section also appears to suggest that by works and manner of living we can make ourselves acceptable to God. This is false and obvious heresy. How many times must we repeat that we are not saved by our works. Nothing we do can EARN a place by God's side.

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None of this concludes that we can be saved by works or that works are required in order to be saved. We are saved by faith and our faith compels us to perform good works in the name of the Lord. How many different ways must this be explained?
 
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