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The vaccine empire has collapsed

 
Codetwister

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whatever

Pointing out that the cited article tossed out percentages of people infected unvaccinated vs vaccinated populous.

I counter point that those percentages are not tied to any sort of real numbers. They're presented as if the two groups were absolutely equal in number, but they're not - you're being just as manipulative as the article you are claiming to speak out against.
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(NaturalNews)

In healthy adults, no flu vaccine delivers protection from the flu.

[link to www.naturalnews.com]
 Quoting: LittleMissDictator


Let's look at that paper he's lying about, shall we?
[link to onlinelibrary.wiley.com]

Jonny-baby says, "In healthy adults, no flu vaccine delivers protection from the flu."

but the paper he's citing says:
"4% of unvaccinated people versus 1% of vaccinated people developed influenza symptoms" when the vaccine was a good match for the circulating flu.
That means vaccinated people developed flu 25% as often as unvaccinated under these conditions.
-or-
Unvaccinated people developed flu 4 times as often as vaccinated people under these conditions.

and:

"poor vaccine matching were 2% and 1%", which means that unvaccinated people were 2 times as likely to develop flu than vaccinated people even when the vaccine didn't match the circulating flu.

Oooh, that Jon.
He be lyin' and disinformin' about that Cochrane study and expecting all his little sheep readership to be too dumb to see that he's treating them like ignoramuses.

R.
 Quoting: Reality420 23400173


Advice: you should go get a flu shot and then go fuck yourself.

 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1528473


Awww, poor baby.
No other response to the fact that the article he cites says the exact opposite to what he states?
No response that you've been played the fool, and in your case it was a slam-dunk.

It is really sad that the anti-vaccine kOOks prefer lies to fact and get upset when it is pointed out that their anti-vax info is looney BS.

kOOk on.


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Fhirinne

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(NaturalNews)

In healthy adults, no flu vaccine delivers protection from the flu.

[link to www.naturalnews.com]
 Quoting: LittleMissDictator


Let's look at that paper he's lying about, shall we?
[link to onlinelibrary.wiley.com]

Jonny-baby says, "In healthy adults, no flu vaccine delivers protection from the flu."

but the paper he's citing says:
"4% of unvaccinated people versus 1% of vaccinated people developed influenza symptoms" when the vaccine was a good match for the circulating flu.
That means vaccinated people developed flu 25% as often as unvaccinated under these conditions.
-or-
Unvaccinated people developed flu 4 times as often as vaccinated people under these conditions.

and:

"poor vaccine matching were 2% and 1%", which means that unvaccinated people were 2 times as likely to develop flu than vaccinated people even when the vaccine didn't match the circulating flu.

Oooh, that Jon.
He be lyin' and disinformin' about that Cochrane study and expecting all his little sheep readership to be too dumb to see that he's treating them like ignoramuses.

R.
 Quoting: Reality420 23400173


Advice: you should go get a flu shot and then go fuck yourself.

 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1528473


Awww, poor baby.
No other response to the fact that the article he cites says the exact opposite to what he states?
No response that you've been played the fool, and in your case it was a slam-dunk.

It is really sad that the anti-vaccine kOOks prefer lies to fact and get upset when it is pointed out that their anti-vax info is looney BS.

kOOk on.


R.
 Quoting: Reality420 23400173


have you read the full version?

The results of this review seem to discourage the utilisation of vaccination against influenza in healthy adults as a routine public health measure. As healthy adults have a low risk of complications due to respiratory disease, the use of the vaccine may be only advised as an individual protection measure against symptoms in specific cases.
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Anonymous Coward
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10/10/2012 11:51 AM
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(NaturalNews) You may not have heard the explosion, but it happened.

A review from The Cochrane Collaboration, a widely respected research-analysis team, went over all the evidence, and entered its conclusion:

In healthy adults, no flu vaccine delivers protection from the flu.

Boom!

It doesn't protect against transmission of flu viruses from person to person, either.

Boom!

[link to www.naturalnews.com]
 Quoting: LittleMissDictator


Quoting from "The Death Ranger"'s site is equivalent to citing whale.to.
Rational people break out in hysterics.

This particular piece of anti-vaccine lying propaganda is by that kOOk, Jon Rappoport, whose wife is... a nutritionist and a naturopath and studied iridology and has a clinic where she sells her nostrums. Think they may be hard-core kOOky alt-med nutters?

Let's look at that paper he's lying about, shall we?
[link to onlinelibrary.wiley.com]

Jonny-baby says, "In healthy adults, no flu vaccine delivers protection from the flu."

but the paper he's citing says:
"4% of unvaccinated people versus 1% of vaccinated people developed influenza symptoms" when the vaccine was a good match for the circulating flu.
That means vaccinated people developed flu 25% as often as unvaccinated under these conditions.
-or-
Unvaccinated people developed flu 4 times as often as vaccinated people under these conditions.

and:

"poor vaccine matching were 2% and 1%", which means that unvaccinated people were 2 times as likely to develop flu than vaccinated people even when the vaccine didn't match the circulating flu.

Oooh, that Jon.
He be lyin' and disinformin' about that Cochrane study and expecting all his little sheep readership to be too dumb to see that he's treating them like ignoramuses.

It's almost like all these kOOks who write articles have absolute disdain for their readership because virtually every time they lie about what the science says. They must figure their readership is too dumb to catch them.

In any event, we can now throw anything written by Jon Rappoport into the trash since he's now shown he has no problem of bald-faced lying about what his sources say.
He can join Merdola and Adams in the dumpster with the fish heads.

R.
 Quoting: Reality420 23400173



You take that shit, and give it to your kids. Moron. No, don't give it to your kids, just suck up all you want for yourself. You can play with mercury and fishoil rejuvenant in your own damned body.
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<snip>

Oooh, that Jon.
He be lyin' and disinformin' about that Cochrane study and expecting all his little sheep readership to be too dumb to see that he's treating them like ignoramuses.

It's almost like all these kOOks who write articles have absolute disdain for their readership because virtually every time they lie about what the science says. They must figure their readership is too dumb to catch them.

In any event, we can now throw anything written by Jon Rappoport into the trash since he's now shown he has no problem of bald-faced lying about what his sources say.
He can join Merdola and Adams in the dumpster with the fish heads.

R.
 Quoting: Reality420 23400173


Well then, Slappy, if you know so fucking much more about the subject than everyone else, you should probably stop wasting your time posting to internet forums and go start your own website where you can enlighten everyone with your wisdom that vaccines are A-OK.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 25298957


If you believed that article from naturalnews.com I most certainly do know more about the subject than you as I am not illiterate nor innumerate and can read the original paper and see that the naturalnews article is an obvious lie.

I don't need my own website as there are many fine websites that do not spread disinformation like naturalnews.com.
I can post here and watch you anti-life kOOks froth at the mouth when confronted by the facts... that is, if you don't delete my posts and ban me from your threads for presenting dangerous facts to counter your moronic copy/pastes from anti-science, supplement pushing, dimwits.

Here's my advice - should you get a vaccination and are worried about the side effects you can mitigate any nastiness by promptly drinking a 12 oz. glass of fluoridated water (0.7-1.0ppm)and taking a shark good-squalene supplement when you get home.
That will remove the antifreeze, monkey pus, mercury, aluminum, plutonium, 60 cancer viruses, aborted babies, nanobots, Heinz-57 steak sauce, JP-8, bad-squalene, and everything else that would have mutated you into an unrecognisable mass of cancerous tumors.

No charge.


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Reality420
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have you read the full version?

 Quoting: Fhirinne


Yes, have you?

"In healthy adults, no flu vaccine delivers protection from the flu."

Is this statement the truth or a lie?

Are you defending this lying article because it is using lies to present anti-vaccination propaganda?

How very honest of you... what an honest researcher.


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Reality420
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You take that shit, and give it to your kids. Moron. No, don't give it to your kids, just suck up all you want for yourself. You can play with mercury and fishoil rejuvenant in your own damned body.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 25242783


What is fishoil rejuvenant?
Is it like WD-40 or is it a piscine supplement used to rejuvenate your goldfish when they are feeling run-down and "sticky"?

Anti-vax geniuses... I'm always impressed.


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Fhirinne

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have you read the full version?

 Quoting: Fhirinne


Yes, have you?

"In healthy adults, no flu vaccine delivers protection from the flu."

Is this statement the truth or a lie?

Are you defending this lying article because it is using lies to present anti-vaccination propaganda?

How very honest of you... what an honest researcher.


R.
 Quoting: Reality420 23400173


I am talking about the study itself and not the abstract version of it!

Of course the vaccine offers some protection I can read the study numbers but its also not as they have told people about flu vaccines seen as there are so many things that fall under the flu blanket term not all of it the vaccine deals with as spoke of here in the first part of the study.

Viral respiratory disease imposes a heavy burden on society. The majority of viral respiratory disease (influenza-like illness (ILI)) is caused by many different agents which are not clinically distinguishable from one another. A variable proportion of ILI (7% to 15% on average) is caused by influenza viruses and is known as influenza
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Fhirinne

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You take that shit, and give it to your kids. Moron. No, don't give it to your kids, just suck up all you want for yourself. You can play with mercury and fishoil rejuvenant in your own damned body.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 25242783


What is fishoil rejuvenant?
Is it like WD-40 or is it a piscine supplement used to rejuvenate your goldfish when they are feeling run-down and "sticky"?

Anti-vax geniuses... I'm always impressed.


R.
 Quoting: Reality420 23400173


You know just what they are trying to say "adjuvant"
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In Switzerland the vaccine media propoganda is pushed as heavily as in the States shockingly
Reality420
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"In healthy adults, no flu vaccine delivers protection from the flu."

Is this statement the truth or a lie?

R.
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Of course the vaccine offers some protection I can read the study numbers

<snip subject change>
 Quoting: Fhirinne


So you agree that the naturalnews article is a lie.

And yet this doesn't seem to bother you. I wonder if a mainstream medical blog were to lie so obviously and egregiously if you would be as understanding.

When a site presents lies and disinfo to promote its agenda do you reject and ignore the site or do you wade in and gobble up any tripe they are shoveling if it matches your bias?

Tard.


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Fhirinne

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Reality420
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So you agree that the naturalnews article is a lie.

And yet this doesn't seem to bother you. I wonder if a mainstream medical blog were to lie so obviously and egregiously if you would be as understanding.

When a site presents lies and disinfo to promote its agenda do you reject and ignore the site or do you wade in and gobble up any tripe they are shoveling if it matches your bias?

Tard.


R.
 Quoting: Reality420 23400173


Never mind, I just found my answer concerning your honesty:
Here's your thread about this very subject:
Thread: Flu vaccines only protect against Influenza which is only 7% to 15% of all influenza like symptoms

Note the title:
Flu vaccines don’t protect against flu

And yet you just admitted you've read the study and agree that it does not state that vaccines don't protect.

So you started a thread with a premise you knew was a lie...

That's all I need to know about you.


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Fhirinne

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So you agree that the naturalnews article is a lie.

And yet this doesn't seem to bother you. I wonder if a mainstream medical blog were to lie so obviously and egregiously if you would be as understanding.

When a site presents lies and disinfo to promote its agenda do you reject and ignore the site or do you wade in and gobble up any tripe they are shoveling if it matches your bias?

Tard.


R.
 Quoting: Reality420 23400173


Never mind, I just found my answer concerning your honesty:
Here's your thread about this very subject:
Thread: Flu vaccines only protect against Influenza which is only 7% to 15% of all influenza like symptoms

Note the title:
Flu vaccines don’t protect against flu

And yet you just admitted you've read the study and agree that it does not state that vaccines don't protect.

So you started a thread with a premise you knew was a lie...

That's all I need to know about you.


R.
 Quoting: Reality420 23400173


slow the F down there hahaha

So I could not decide on a title and after reading the full study which was after I posted it and I still left the title because it seemed a dead thread.

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So I could not decide on a title and after reading the full study which was after I posted it and I still left the title because it seemed a dead thread.
 Quoting: Fhirinne


Good lord, your dishonesty is stunning even for an anti-vaccine kOOk.

It isn't just the title of your post, you link to an article at gaia-health.com titled: No Value in Any Influenza Vaccine: Cochrane Collaboration Study

The whole article is their exposition of the study to demonstrate the "fact" of the title.
It is a lie.
You know it, I know it.

Yet you posted the article knowing that it was trying to make a dishonest conclusion.

And now you are trying to mealy-mouth and squirm your way out of the obvious disinfo you've knowingly posted.

Such an honest person...

Done with you.


R.
kOOks lie. Constantly. It's part of the job description.
Fhirinne

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So I could not decide on a title and after reading the full study which was after I posted it and I still left the title because it seemed a dead thread.
 Quoting: Fhirinne


Good lord, your dishonesty is stunning even for an anti-vaccine kOOk.

It isn't just the title of your post, you link to an article at gaia-health.com titled: No Value in Any Influenza Vaccine: Cochrane Collaboration Study

The whole article is their exposition of the study to demonstrate the "fact" of the title.
It is a lie.
You know it, I know it.

Yet you posted the article knowing that it was trying to make a dishonest conclusion.

And now you are trying to mealy-mouth and squirm your way out of the obvious disinfo you've knowingly posted.

Such an honest person...

Done with you.


R.
kOOks lie. Constantly. It's part of the job description.
 Quoting: Reality420 23400173


So I fucked up.

Here I will say I am sorry for posting a thread with a title that did not match other things.

But I did change the thread title and give it a more honest name.

But like I say on there due to what the study itself is talking about I stand by what I said there is little no point in having a flu vaccine due to what the study is saying in the full version in first parts and the discussion parts!


Viral respiratory disease imposes a heavy burden on society. The majority of viral respiratory disease (influenza-like illness (ILI)) is caused by many different agents which are not clinically distinguishable from one another. A variable proportion of ILI (7% to 15% on average) is caused by influenza viruses and is known as influenza


Summary of main results

Inactivated influenza vaccines decrease the risk of symptoms of influenza and time off work, but their effects are minimal, especially if the vaccines and the circulating viruses are mismatched. There is no evidence that they affect complications or transmission.

Overall completeness and applicability of evidence

Taken alone, the review shows that according to randomised evidence, inactivated vaccines have a small effect in preventing symptoms of influenza and getting workers back to work quicker.


Authors' conclusions

Implications for practice

The results of this review seem to discourage the utilisation of vaccination against influenza in healthy adults as a routine public health measure. As healthy adults have a low risk of complications due to respiratory disease, the use of the vaccine may be only advised as an individual protection measure against symptoms in specific cases.

Implications for research

The major differences in effect size between outcomes highlight the need for careful consideration of the best study design to assess the effects of public health measures such as vaccines. Large studies encompassing several influenza seasons are required to allow assessment of the effect of the vaccines on seemingly rare outcomes such as complications and death.



[link to www.cardiff.ac.uk]

Incidence of colds according to virus7

Rhinovirus 30-50%
Coronavirus 10-15%
Respiratory Syncytial Virus 10%
Adenovirus <5%
Parainfluenza 5%
Influenza 5-15%
Enteroviruses <5%
Metapneumovirus unknown
Unknown 20-30%

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People that are awake and realize they are receiving poison in the vaccines are already aware of this information. It is the brainwashed masses that still believe the lie.
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Last week I had my yearly physical & I swear the only reason the Dr. asked me to come in for a physical was so she could try to persuade me to take (5) vaccines.

Hepatitis
Shingles
Tetanus
Rabies
Flu shot.

she spent more time telling me about them & why I should get them than she spent on the entire physical. She sounded more like a rep for big pharma than a doctor. This doctor is a graduate since Jan 2010. Is this what they are teaching them in med school now. Of course I told her the reason I'm so healthy is because I don't take vaccines, which didn't impress her.
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I can't help but wonder if these doctors are really this brainwashed or if big-pharma reps are crossing their palms with cash?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 963379


My brother is a doctor and he really believes all these shots are necessary.
 Quoting: Raven 4


Well your brother may be a doctor but he is still an idiot. Vaccines don't work...period. They have never worked since they have been invented.

Well they work at killing you..that is what they were created for so I guess they do work.
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They are really pushing the Shingles vaccine to those over 50 this year here, as part of the regular flu-shot drive. What next? Pink eye?
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That's almost exactly what I thought when I drove by Walgreens the other day and saw the advertisement for the shingles vaccine. "What next? Is there just a freakin' vaccine for everything??"
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[link to www.medicalnewstoday.com]

"Studies Fail to Demonstrate Safety or Effectiveness of Influenza Vaccine in Children and Adults"


!!! British Medical Journal Published it also !!!
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(NaturalNews) You may not have heard the explosion, but it happened.

A review from The Cochrane Collaboration, a widely respected research-analysis team, went over all the evidence, and entered its conclusion:

In healthy adults, no flu vaccine delivers protection from the flu.

Boom!

It doesn't protect against transmission of flu viruses from person to person, either.

Boom!



[link to www.naturalnews.com]
 Quoting: LittleMissDictator


Money scam..nothing more......
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My wife works @ a hospital and HAS to get one, or she will be terminated. Really pisses me off.
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My wife works @ a hospital and HAS to get one, or she will be terminated. Really pisses me off.
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That is ridiculous. Soon everyone will require it of employement..
How would you know the difference between the dream world and the real world?

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