Godlike Productions - Conspiracy Forum
Users Online Now: 1,325 (Who's On?)Visitors Today: 601,195
Pageviews Today: 773,463Threads Today: 155Posts Today: 3,179
07:30 AM


Rate this Thread

Absolute BS Crap Reasonable Nice Amazing
 

When SHTF weapon suggestions for close encounters.

 
Mrbillybadass (OP)

User ID: 760726
United States
10/10/2012 12:09 PM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: When SHTF weapon suggestions for close encounters.
...


Well went to guns fast...
 Quoting: Mrbillybadass


Well ..... guns can be used as clubs at close range.

OP, even your club suggests a range of about 36 inches. Close in hand-to-hand, learn to use a pair of SOG seal knives -- the way SEALS use them. Become adept in Krav. Learn how to use anything laying around as a weapon.

Best of luck if the worst comes to pass.

Katana With Rose
 Quoting: Lady Jane Smith


I'm ok in self defense and still training, and I'm a critical thinker in objects lying around of how to use them. This thread isn't supposed to be about guns unless you have a preference for them in your hands in hand to hand. This is just a fun thread for what if type scenario's, and what weapon you would feel comfortable with using.
 Quoting: Mrbillybadass


"Well ..... guns can be used as clubs at close range."

^^^That was sarcasm^^^ Maybe I could have executed it better?


I have been a martial artist for over 20 years. When fights go to the ground is when they are most dangerous. An effective weapon is simple, crude & handmade. A six penny nail through a 1/2 inch X 1 inch piece of wood. Hold between fore & middle fingers in clenched fist, find artery, eye, etc.

Gruesome & effective. Just try to never end up on the ground grappling if at all possible. Also remember, it does not matter how big the opponent is -- take their knees & they will go down -- learn how to defend against having your knees taken.
 Quoting: Lady Jane Smith

Maybe you should try doing research on that? Since it was sarcasm apparently you don't think it can be used in close range. Native americans found use in gun butts and turned them into war clubs pictured here

IMAGE ( [link to www.mountainridgetrading.com] )
they obviously can inflict much trauma. Also you mentioned krav maga...have you honestly trained in that they have many hand to hand combat techniques when you have a gun in your hand.
Lady Jane SmithModerator
Forum Moderator

User ID: 19147018
United States
10/10/2012 12:10 PM

Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: When SHTF weapon suggestions for close encounters.


Last Edited by Lady Jane Smith on 10/10/2012 04:05 PM
Life is karma and karma always reflects both past and present circumstance. Our time here is short, so choose carefully and behave well, for all of your tomorrows are presently being decided.

"Don't die on a small cross..." Saddletramp's Mom

"A fool thinks himself to be wise, but a wise man knows himself to be a fool."
-- William Shakespeare, born April 23, 1564.

Killer Bunny mockingjay
Mrbillybadass (OP)

User ID: 760726
United States
10/10/2012 12:15 PM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: When SHTF weapon suggestions for close encounters.
Interesting thread.

Any suggestions for an "older woman"?

I went to buy a gun but found out I had to register it and had just read an article about the gov't enforcing stricter
laws in Oct. Not sure how true that all was but couldn't see paying $600 on a weapon to have the gov't come and take it away.

I'm open to any and all suggestions!

Thanks for the thread..

Praise the Lord and pass the ammunition rocket
 Quoting: Angelic_Warrior


As far as guns you just need to get a 9mm to decrease kick-back so you can keep your accuracy. As far as a hand to hand weapon a small easily concealable knife is always a good bet just learn where to stick it groin, neck, femoral artery, shoulder, armpit ect ect. Women whether they realize it or not always have an advantage in a situation like that. 95% of the time you be perceived as weak and not be able to defend yourself. That will be your attackers fault but when you decide to attack make it fucking count. All those aforementioned area's of strike if you hit it with a knife twist it before pulling it out to ensure maximum amount of damage. Also another cool easily hide able weapon are these little badass things.

IMAGE ( [link to www.tbotech.com] )


IMAGE ( [link to www.budokanitalia.it] )


That is a spiked kubotan, and regular kubotan. They come in many different designs you can look them up and find which one suits you the best. But depending on the design they either have a stabbing effect or blunt force trama. Now unless you get a spike with them coming out of the knuckles you do not have to worry about punching, and they work with a woman's tendency to naturally downward swipes just turn your hand to a hammer fist. The blunt force wont be that equal to aforementioned blunt weapons but it will easily break any face bone you contact...nose and jaws are always good spots to hit. Hope this has helped.
 Quoting: Mrbillybadass


Women have to be trained to strike lethally. I have the most difficult time with women who show up in the school for the first time.

The have been situations when I have donned a sparring vest, stood there & made women kick me repeatedly until I was satisfied that she had overcome her timidity of hard nailing an opponent. When she finally gets to where she can kick the crap out of me, one of the guys takes over & she continues until she can deliver a hard enough blow to knock him off balance -- this entire process can take months.

It is just socialized into many women from day one that they either cannot, or are bad girls if they do deliver a hard blow.
 Quoting: Lady Jane Smith


This is very true and not disagreeing at all, but if a woman on here is looking for advice I think it could be that they have a mindset that might facilitate a faster transition to being able to give heavy sooner. Do you teach self defense, or a specific martial art?
Lady Jane SmithModerator
Forum Moderator

User ID: 19147018
United States
10/10/2012 12:16 PM

Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: When SHTF weapon suggestions for close encounters.


Last Edited by Lady Jane Smith on 10/10/2012 04:05 PM
Life is karma and karma always reflects both past and present circumstance. Our time here is short, so choose carefully and behave well, for all of your tomorrows are presently being decided.

"Don't die on a small cross..." Saddletramp's Mom

"A fool thinks himself to be wise, but a wise man knows himself to be a fool."
-- William Shakespeare, born April 23, 1564.

Killer Bunny mockingjay
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 1065356
United States
10/10/2012 12:17 PM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: When SHTF weapon suggestions for close encounters.
Mossberg model 500 12 GA 3" chamber, 24" slug barrel, pump action is 100% reliable at close or medium range, slugs will kill through body armour out to 150 Yds., buckshot is good to about 125 Yds.
 Quoting: weasel keeper


easy to spot you've never actually shot one...

ohno
Back From the Future

User ID: 25086117
United States
10/10/2012 12:21 PM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: When SHTF weapon suggestions for close encounters.
Anyone who wants to learn to throw steel, here is a short video explaining how to. Any object can be used. Find Center and throw!

[link to www.youtube.com]
Light Warrior
Mrbillybadass (OP)

User ID: 760726
United States
10/10/2012 12:22 PM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: When SHTF weapon suggestions for close encounters.
...


I'm ok in self defense and still training, and I'm a critical thinker in objects lying around of how to use them. This thread isn't supposed to be about guns unless you have a preference for them in your hands in hand to hand. This is just a fun thread for what if type scenario's, and what weapon you would feel comfortable with using.
 Quoting: Mrbillybadass


"Well ..... guns can be used as clubs at close range."

^^^That was sarcasm^^^ Maybe I could have executed it better?


I have been a martial artist for over 20 years. When fights go to the ground is when they are most dangerous. An effective weapon is simple, crude & handmade. A six penny nail through a 1/2 inch X 1 inch piece of wood. Hold between fore & middle fingers in clenched fist, find artery, eye, etc.

Gruesome & effective. Just try to never end up on the ground grappling if at all possible. Also remember, it does not matter how big the opponent is -- take their knees & they will go down -- learn how to defend against having your knees taken.
 Quoting: Lady Jane Smith

Maybe you should try doing research on that? Since it was sarcasm apparently you don't think it can be used in close range. Native americans found use in gun butts and turned them into war clubs pictured here

IMAGE ( [link to www.mountainridgetrading.com] )
they obviously can inflict much trauma. Also you mentioned krav maga...have you honestly trained in that they have many hand to hand combat techniques when you have a gun in your hand.
 Quoting: Mrbillybadass



Okay, you want to argue with me.

Best of luck & pay attention to some of the good advice you have received from some experienced people on here.

When I go to work, my students address me as "Master -----". I am internationally certified & required by law to carry such an ID at all times. I have trained in 5 martial arts & hold advanced black belts in 2.

What are you adept in?
 Quoting: Lady Jane Smith

Wrong quote, and I was just humbly asking what you trained in not trying to argue. I really hate talking about my experience on the internet, because all it is, is dick swinging and could easily be a lie to begin with. If you do want me to say my experience I will though.
siniXster

User ID: 24892162
United States
10/10/2012 12:30 PM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: When SHTF weapon suggestions for close encounters.
Mossberg model 500 12 GA 3" chamber, 24" slug barrel, pump action is 100% reliable at close or medium range, slugs will kill through body armour out to 150 Yds., buckshot is good to about 125 Yds.
 Quoting: weasel keeper

This^^^ cept an 18" barrel and tactical mods along with a side arm, a machete and my trusty, never leave w/out it 8" Ka-Bar.

Last Edited by siniXster on 10/10/2012 12:32 PM
"Man cannot discover new oceans unless he has the courage to lose sight of the shore" - Andre Gide

"Given enough time, any man may master the physical. With enough knowledge, any man may become wise. It is the true warrior who can master both....and surpass the result." - Tien T'ai

"All my life, my heart has yearned for a thing I cannot name." - Andre Breton

"Sometimes you just have to pee in the sink" - Charles Bukowski

Except the Lord keep the city, the watchman waketh but in vain - Exerpt Psalm 127:1

Pain and heartbreak are but illusions that we allow our mind to create out of fear, live in love and from your heart and you'll realize that all is as it should be. The lessons we learn from loss are meant to be taken with wisdom and happiness not sadness and remorse. New strength, new love, new life, new wisdom and lessons that propel us forward on our journey back to unity, universal consciousness and true unconditional love. Wow, what an incredibly joyous ride when we see it for what it truly is!- Sin
<<FOCUS>
User ID: 660580
United States
10/10/2012 12:46 PM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: When SHTF weapon suggestions for close encounters.
They would be kinda messy, but cold steel also makes a kick as Kukri blade. i love mine, I have 2.

[link to www.amazon.com]


also for close combat, a tonfa like you showed is awesome if you know how to use it.

My absolute favorite is the M48 Hawk Axe

[link to www.amazon.com]
Back From the Future

User ID: 25086117
United States
10/10/2012 12:52 PM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: When SHTF weapon suggestions for close encounters.
They would be kinda messy, but cold steel also makes a kick as Kukri blade. i love mine, I have 2.

[link to www.amazon.com]


also for close combat, a tonfa like you showed is awesome if you know how to use it.

My absolute favorite is the M48 Hawk Axe

[link to www.amazon.com]
 Quoting: <<FOCUS> 660580

If you threw that, it would knock a man off his feet and stick him to the wall. My K-Bar gives me goosebumps when I throw it.
Light Warrior
WindyMind

User ID: 7244814
United States
10/10/2012 12:52 PM

Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: When SHTF weapon suggestions for close encounters.
I am going to get a metal baseball bat. I think I can swing a bat ok. I liked the hairspray idea.
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 25310965
United States
10/10/2012 12:56 PM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: When SHTF weapon suggestions for close encounters.
you should have some type of gun. a .22LR rifle for getting food, and an AR-15 for fights. if you can't have both it would actually be better to have the 22LR because you will spend a lot more time searching for food than anything else, it is still good for something in a fight, but you will run out of ammo for your AR in no time and you will be starving. a handgun or shotgun isn't as valuable as a rifle. a shotgun is better for getting food, a handgun is the worst for getting food, and like the AR15, either of those will run out of ammo long before your 22LR rifle runs out. a handgun would be the right choice for someone who only needs to defend the house, staying inside it, only plans on using a little ammo to do that, and doesn't have to worry about food. a 22WMR is a bad idea because ammo is about as expensive as surplus 5.56/223, has 1/2 the power, and will actually be harder to find than 5.56/223 once the stores close. a 22WMR is impractical.

you MUST have some type of blade. you can do everything with a knife. it's also one of the best items to have for fighting since it's easily carried compared to a machete or sword and works in confined spaces like a hallway, bathroom or car. you can have a longer blade and a knife. a machete is not such a good idea because they are only about as effective as a knife in a fight, but they can't do the other tasks a knife can. the only reason you should want a machete is to clear away vegetation, which is what they are designed for. a kukri or large bowie is a good compromise, but a regular knife like a ka-bar is still better. if you want a bladed weapon strictly for fighting, get a sword. katanas are the best swords.

a club or baseball bat or mace or tire iron is not as good as any bladed weapon. it would be stupid to choose one of those when you can just as easily have a knife or sword.

if you can get whatever you want, get one of each. if you have limited funds, get a .22LR rifle, a few 500-round boxes of ammo, and a 7" sheath knife. then think about adding to your collection.
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 25310965
United States
10/10/2012 12:58 PM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: When SHTF weapon suggestions for close encounters.
When I go to work, my students address me as "Master -----". I am internationally certified & required by law to carry such an ID at all times. I have trained in 5 martial arts & hold advanced black belts in 2.
 Quoting: Lady Jane Smith


bullshit
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 25310965
United States
10/10/2012 01:08 PM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: When SHTF weapon suggestions for close encounters.
a tomahawk isn't a good idea because a medium-length blade is more effective, such as a wakazashi or one of those old bayonets, they weigh less, but are the same size, and they are much easier to carry. and they can still be used for most tasks if you lose your sheath knife.
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 1486867
Canada
10/10/2012 01:10 PM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: When SHTF weapon suggestions for close encounters.
Tesla coil on your yard.
Back From the Future

User ID: 25086117
United States
10/10/2012 01:15 PM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: When SHTF weapon suggestions for close encounters.
Tesla coil on your yard.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1486867

OMG...funny! Zapppp!
Light Warrior
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 1165448
United States
10/10/2012 01:27 PM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: When SHTF weapon suggestions for close encounters.
...


I'm ok in self defense and still training, and I'm a critical thinker in objects lying around of how to use them. This thread isn't supposed to be about guns unless you have a preference for them in your hands in hand to hand. This is just a fun thread for what if type scenario's, and what weapon you would feel comfortable with using.
 Quoting: Mrbillybadass


"Well ..... guns can be used as clubs at close range."

^^^That was sarcasm^^^ Maybe I could have executed it better?


I have been a martial artist for over 20 years. When fights go to the ground is when they are most dangerous. An effective weapon is simple, crude & handmade. A six penny nail through a 1/2 inch X 1 inch piece of wood. Hold between fore & middle fingers in clenched fist, find artery, eye, etc.

Gruesome & effective. Just try to never end up on the ground grappling if at all possible. Also remember, it does not matter how big the opponent is -- take their knees & they will go down -- learn how to defend against having your knees taken.
 Quoting: Lady Jane Smith

Maybe you should try doing research on that? Since it was sarcasm apparently you don't think it can be used in close range. Native americans found use in gun butts and turned them into war clubs pictured here

IMAGE ( [link to www.mountainridgetrading.com] )
they obviously can inflict much trauma. Also you mentioned krav maga...have you honestly trained in that they have many hand to hand combat techniques when you have a gun in your hand.
 Quoting: Mrbillybadass



Okay, you want to argue with me.

Best of luck & pay attention to some of the good advice you have received from some experienced people on here.

When I go to work, my students address me as "Master -----". I am internationally certified & required by law to carry such an ID at all times. I have trained in 5 martial arts & hold advanced black belts in 2.

What are you adept in?
 Quoting: Lady Jane Smith


STFU Master.

How's the humble practice going retard. Get in the kitchen and make some lunch.
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 4869223
United States
10/10/2012 01:27 PM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: When SHTF weapon suggestions for close encounters.
i like the big 6 cell maglites and they are easy to explain why you have one in your car or bag, unlike tonfas and nunchucks and big ass knives.
Mrbillybadass (OP)

User ID: 760726
United States
10/10/2012 01:39 PM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: When SHTF weapon suggestions for close encounters.
i like the big 6 cell maglites and they are easy to explain why you have one in your car or bag, unlike tonfas and nunchucks and big ass knives.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 4869223


SHTF scenario AC aka economy collapses or whatever scenario you want to come up with. Maglites are badass though I give you that.
WindyMind

User ID: 7244814
United States
10/10/2012 01:41 PM

Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: When SHTF weapon suggestions for close encounters.
What is going on?
Codetwister

User ID: 25305153
Canada
10/10/2012 02:01 PM

Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: When SHTF weapon suggestions for close encounters.
I'm kindof surprised that nobody has mentioned that 9mm handguns are practically useless against newly equipped Police and Military persons...unless you're a real crackshot, and can toss a bullet through known weakspots or unprotected areas on demand...

My formal hand-to-hand training is in Judo, which I did four nights a week for six years, competing in one or two heavy tournaments per month from my 6th month right on through to the end...I chose to walk away 2 months before my first black-belt judging....wish i didn't.
Mrbillybadass (OP)

User ID: 760726
United States
10/10/2012 02:25 PM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: When SHTF weapon suggestions for close encounters.
...


"Well ..... guns can be used as clubs at close range."

^^^That was sarcasm^^^ Maybe I could have executed it better?


I have been a martial artist for over 20 years. When fights go to the ground is when they are most dangerous. An effective weapon is simple, crude & handmade. A six penny nail through a 1/2 inch X 1 inch piece of wood. Hold between fore & middle fingers in clenched fist, find artery, eye, etc.

Gruesome & effective. Just try to never end up on the ground grappling if at all possible. Also remember, it does not matter how big the opponent is -- take their knees & they will go down -- learn how to defend against having your knees taken.
 Quoting: Lady Jane Smith

Maybe you should try doing research on that? Since it was sarcasm apparently you don't think it can be used in close range. Native americans found use in gun butts and turned them into war clubs pictured here

IMAGE ( [link to www.mountainridgetrading.com] )
they obviously can inflict much trauma. Also you mentioned krav maga...have you honestly trained in that they have many hand to hand combat techniques when you have a gun in your hand.
 Quoting: Mrbillybadass



Okay, you want to argue with me.

Best of luck & pay attention to some of the good advice you have received from some experienced people on here.

When I go to work, my students address me as "Master -----". I am internationally certified & required by law to carry such an ID at all times. I have trained in 5 martial arts & hold advanced black belts in 2.

What are you adept in?
 Quoting: Lady Jane Smith


STFU Master.

How's the humble practice going retard. Get in the kitchen and make some lunch.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1165448

Kind of expected that when I read that.
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 1187256
United States
10/10/2012 03:17 PM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: When SHTF weapon suggestions for close encounters.
Mossberg model 500 12 GA 3" chamber, 24" slug barrel, pump action is 100% reliable at close or medium range, slugs will kill through body armour out to 150 Yds., buckshot is igood to about 125 Yds.
 Quoting: weasel keeper


Maybe soft armor but not type III-IV plates and maybe 50 to 100 but not 150
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 23422474
United States
10/10/2012 05:13 PM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: When SHTF weapon suggestions for close encounters.
Interesting thread.

Any suggestions for an "older woman"?

I went to buy a gun but found out I had to register it and had just read an article about the gov't enforcing stricter
laws in Oct. Not sure how true that all was but couldn't see paying $600 on a weapon to have the gov't come and take it away.

I'm open to any and all suggestions!

Thanks for the thread..

Praise the Lord and pass the ammunition rocket
 Quoting: Angelic_Warrior


Get a revolver. .38 with +P hollow points works just fine at close range.
 Quoting: Conspiracy Theorist


Snubnose .357 would be a better option. You can shoot .38 hot loads in it, or .357

My daughter carries one.
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 14967850
United States
10/10/2012 05:26 PM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: When SHTF weapon suggestions for close encounters.
Just for the sheer awesomeness that it would be, I prefer the Zweihänder.

Now, back to real life... the best weapon would be a multi-purpose tool like a large knife/machete/axe that could be used as a weapon, cutting food, cutting sticks, can opener, cutting wire, etc etc you get where i'm going.

For a ranged weapon (non-gun), you could either be a master with an atl-atl OR just use a compound bow. Also, lawn darts would be pretty scary.

I could think of many weapons that would fare well in different cirumstances, .22 LR, 10 mm, etc so i'll just save it and say it all depends on what you prefer and the situation.
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 23422474
United States
10/10/2012 05:30 PM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: When SHTF weapon suggestions for close encounters.
There's quite a bit of bullshit in this thread.
Allow me to address a few points.

Kubotans are absolute crap for a woman to depend on to defend herself, period. (Men for that matter) End of story. Kubotans were developed by Tak Kubota to assist police in restraining techniques. Any other use is fantasy and dangerous misinterpretation of what it was designed for.

Fucking tonfas are crap for fighting, unless you swing them like a club. Swinging from the handle is useless. Even cops don't want to carry PR-24s anymore. Go to a Dog Brothers meeting sometime and see how many guys prefer tonfas.

There is no such thing as having to carry an ID because you have trained extensively in martial arts. I don't give a fuck what you trained in. You are a fucking liar, lady.


Lester is right about carrying his .45 acp. Lester knows what the fuck he is talking about.

The shot to the throat advice is good, if you are bare handed.
It works.

Sorry if I sound like a fucking asshole. I don't want to see anyone develop a sense of confidence and get killed because they depended on a fucking keychain that only works in a classroom environment.

Keep it real.
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 23011194
United States
10/10/2012 05:44 PM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: When SHTF weapon suggestions for close encounters.
stay home?
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 23011194
United States
10/10/2012 05:46 PM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: When SHTF weapon suggestions for close encounters.
PVS-14, gen 3 night vision. You'll have an unfair advantage....
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 3694399
United States
10/10/2012 05:53 PM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: When SHTF weapon suggestions for close encounters.
Saiga 12 by far
WindyMind

User ID: 7244814
United States
10/10/2012 06:00 PM

Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: When SHTF weapon suggestions for close encounters.
I am definitely not getting the keychain.

News








Proud Member Of The Angry Mob