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id be a bit wary of casbolts stuff.
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id be a bit wary of casbolts stuff.
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Yet it's the first one I've seen that matches my personal story in so many areas (outside of those I was in the programs with obviously).
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id be a bit wary of casbolts stuff.
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Yet it's the first one I've seen that matches my personal story on any level (outside of those I was in the programs with obviously).
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oh ive no doubt this"theme" is true, for many, so im nopt surprised if it gave you the"true shivers" in one sense..but as for him in particular,if you research enough and watch enough of his interveiws(theres heaps)im sure you may draw similar conclusions.research
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id be a bit wary of casbolts stuff.
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Yet it's the first one I've seen that matches my personal story on any level (outside of those I was in the programs with obviously).
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oh ive no doubt this"theme" is true, for many, so im nopt surprised if it gave you the"true shivers" in one sense..but as for him in particular,if you research enough and watch enough of his interveiws(theres heaps)im sure you may draw similar conclusions.research
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From what little I've read, it does appear that he's gone off the deep end. But honestly, when you open your mind wide enough that's easy enough to do. That's one of the main reasons I tend to not even believe myself until I've confirmed things (like my document searches or how I take Google maps or blueprints and follow the paths I took in my memories to see if those paths really end up at the buildings/rooms I ended up at..I'll usually draw an as detailed as possible diagram or map myself first and then see if accessible data matches the memory).
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id be a bit wary of casbolts stuff.
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Yet it's the first one I've seen that matches my personal story on any level (outside of those I was in the programs with obviously).
 Quoting: The Light Under the Door


oh ive no doubt this"theme" is true, for many, so im nopt surprised if it gave you the"true shivers" in one sense..but as for him in particular,if you research enough and watch enough of his interveiws(theres heaps)im sure you may draw similar conclusions.research
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From what little I've read, it does appear that he's gone off the deep end. But honestly, when you open your mind wide enough that's easy enough to do. That's one of the main reasons I tend to not even believe myself until I've confirmed things (like my document searches or how I take Google maps or blueprints and follow the paths I took in my memories to see if those paths really end up at the buildings/rooms I ended up at).
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as some others here have stated-with any of this your dealing with fragments of people-splinters of people,missing memories, timelines, repressed stuff, possibly implanted false memories/programming.
Its makes the whole thing-for those that have experienced any of it,or for people trying to help-an utter messy minefield.Its hard to know whats real and whats not.Then take into account obvious propaganda to obscure things and the squabbles different factions have with each other and it gets worse.Its very hard to keep such a logical(going on what you think you may know) approach as youd like according to your own memories and knowledge IF that has been tampered with.I can understand you not wanting to believe yourself and that shows great self understanding-more than what you probably give yourself credit for.
when you watch james, check out his body language, then watch others(eg Aaron mccollum) and youll see similarities but also great differences.Be careful with that camelot stuff, thats another rabbithole in itself.But research...
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as some others here have stated-with any of this your dealing with fragments of people-splinters of people,missing memories, timelines, repressed stuff, possibly implanted false memories/programming.
Its makes the whole thing-for those that have experienced any of it,or for people trying to help-an utter messy minefield.Its hard to know whats real and whats not.Then take into account obvious propaganda to obscure things and the squabbles different factions have with each other and it gets worse.Its very hard to keep such a logical(going on what you think you may know) approach as youd like according to your own memories and knowledge IF that has been tampered with.I can understand you not wanting to believe yourself and that shows great self understanding-more than what you probably give yourself credit for.
when you watch james, check out his body language, then watch others(eg Aaron mccollum) and youll see similarities but also great differences.Be careful with that camelot stuff, thats another rabbithole in itself.But research...
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I'll have to check them out and keep an open mind to the discrepancies.
It is a damn mess.
hf
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as some others here have stated-with any of this your dealing with fragments of people-splinters of people,missing memories, timelines, repressed stuff, possibly implanted false memories/programming.
Its makes the whole thing-for those that have experienced any of it,or for people trying to help-an utter messy minefield.Its hard to know whats real and whats not.Then take into account obvious propaganda to obscure things and the squabbles different factions have with each other and it gets worse.Its very hard to keep such a logical(going on what you think you may know) approach as youd like according to your own memories and knowledge IF that has been tampered with.I can understand you not wanting to believe yourself and that shows great self understanding-more than what you probably give yourself credit for.
when you watch james, check out his body language, then watch others(eg Aaron mccollum) and youll see similarities but also great differences.Be careful with that camelot stuff, thats another rabbithole in itself.But research...
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I'll have to check them out and keep an open mind to the discrepancies.
It is a damn mess.
hf
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youre welcome.just watch them in bits if the ADD stuff kicks in.(lol thats meant in understanding not meaness btw)and give yourself space in between to process it.peace
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Yet it's the first one I've seen that matches my personal story on any level (outside of those I was in the programs with obviously).
 Quoting: The Light Under the Door


oh ive no doubt this"theme" is true, for many, so im nopt surprised if it gave you the"true shivers" in one sense..but as for him in particular,if you research enough and watch enough of his interveiws(theres heaps)im sure you may draw similar conclusions.research
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From what little I've read, it does appear that he's gone off the deep end. But honestly, when you open your mind wide enough that's easy enough to do. That's one of the main reasons I tend to not even believe myself until I've confirmed things (like my document searches or how I take Google maps or blueprints and follow the paths I took in my memories to see if those paths really end up at the buildings/rooms I ended up at).
 Quoting: The Light Under the Door


as some others here have stated-with any of this your dealing with fragments of people-splinters of people,missing memories, timelines, repressed stuff, possibly implanted false memories/programming.
Its makes the whole thing-for those that have experienced any of it,or for people trying to help-an utter messy minefield.Its hard to know whats real and whats not.Then take into account obvious propaganda to obscure things and the squabbles different factions have with each other and it gets worse.Its very hard to keep such a logical(going on what you think you may know) approach as youd like according to your own memories and knowledge IF that has been tampered with.I can understand you not wanting to believe yourself and that shows great self understanding-more than what you probably give yourself credit for.
when you watch james, check out his body language, then watch others(eg Aaron mccollum) and youll see similarities but also great differences.Be careful with that camelot stuff, thats another rabbithole in itself.But research...
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This is the video with Aaron......Watch his eyes when he is trying to recall stuff.

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This is the video with Aaron......Watch his eyes when he is trying to recall stuff.
[link to youtu.be]
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They move?
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This is the video with Aaron......Watch his eyes when he is trying to recall stuff.
[link to youtu.be]
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They move?
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I'm like what the hell. That's some rapid eye action. lol Never seen that before in someone recalling information. Most people look up, down or to the side. That's some affliction. Wonder if it was programing gone wrong. lol

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This is the video with Aaron......Watch his eyes when he is trying to recall stuff.
[link to youtu.be]
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They move?
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I'm like what the hell. That's some rapid eye action. lol Never seen that before in someone recalling information. Most people look up, down or to the side. That's some affliction. Wonder if it was programing gone wrong. lol
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people who have been traumatized do that. its one of the reasons why EMDR (eye movement desensitization reprocessing) is recommended for people who have been through traumatic events
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I know I look back and forth more often than most people, but it's just a long term reaction to the physical trauma done to one of my eyes..I'm not super sketchy I swear.
..at least I don't think I am :P

I can imagine someone analysing me and saying "oh look at the way her eyes go back and forth, that means she's not honest". Grr. There are many reasons I don't spend a lot of time in front of cameras.

He just looked super wide eyed to me, like he was either terrified of what he was saying or way too into it. He does look up and to the left some, which is where my eyes go when trying to process and remember the impossible. Like, if you ask me what my name is and I answer with the name I'm given to use..my eyes will go to the right for an instant. If I actually try to come up with a legitimate answer regarding what my name is, more time is spent up and to the left. That's just me though :)
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This is the video with Aaron......Watch his eyes when he is trying to recall stuff.
[link to youtu.be]
 Quoting: Blue Skies


They move?
tounge
 Quoting: The Light Under the Door

I'm like what the hell. That's some rapid eye action. lol Never seen that before in someone recalling information. Most people look up, down or to the side. That's some affliction. Wonder if it was programing gone wrong. lol
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people who have been traumatized do that. its one of the reasons why EMDR (eye movement desensitization reprocessing) is recommended for people who have been through traumatic events
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Never thought of that :)
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Ive seen it before, but they have it all the time. Theirs a actor who as it. Can't remember his name. Been in a lot of movies.

[link to www.nlm.nih.gov]
Nystagmus is a disorder that you get from birth....I think. But that is all the time.

Certainly seems like it was caused by something. Trauma could definitely be a reason.
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Ive seen it before, but they have it all the time. Theirs a actor who as it. Can't remember his name. Been in a lot of movies.

[link to www.nlm.nih.gov]
Nystagmus is a disorder that you get from birth....I think. But that is all the time.

Certainly seems like it was caused by something. Trauma could definitely be a reason.
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I went through lots of training on what in hell I was meant to do with my eyes because of the physical trauma to mine and because my eye movement does look sketchy. I think I failed the therapy somewhat. But it was considered a normal eye doctor therapy kind of thing. I still practice most mornings. If someone's seriously messed up, they may very well go through therapy or even just practice in the mirror to try to correct it to some level.


(At least I assume it was a normal eye therapy thing. But then I was also told I was going to the doctor's at least a few hundred times for illnesses I didn't even have.... I'm still working on defining normal.)
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check your email OP xx
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Yay, email :)
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I don't blame you for changing to pencil and paper. Would be safer that way......Maybe make copies of it and put them in different places. That's if you haven't done so already :)

As always well written and easy to understand and relate. The idea of you being told to lie about where you attended school, and for how long. That certainly shows that your guardians had something to hide.
Would make me wonder where I had learned those skills you used to deflect that kid. Being told that you hadn't still doesn't explain them away.
Didn't you guardians think that at some point as you got older, that you would question their inconsistencies? At that point.....Did they not bother trying to cover things up?
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I don't blame you for changing to pencil and paper. Would be safer that way......Maybe make copies of it and put them in different places. That's if you haven't done so already :)

As always well written and easy to understand and relate. The idea of you being told to lie about where you attended school, and for how long. That certainly shows that your guardians had something to hide.
Would make me wonder where I had learned those skills you used to deflect that kid. Being told that you hadn't still doesn't explain them away.
Didn't you guardians think that at some point as you got older, that you would question their inconsistencies? At that point.....Did they not bother trying to cover things up?
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Yeah, I seem pretty trained in some areas of being duped as well..

Oddly enough, most of the cover up, besides denial, was them changing the stories to compensate for whatever new evidence I had pulled up.
The last time I spoke to one of the original "crew", I gave her false evidence and she tried to change the story to compensate for it as well (I think they're getting senile..the originals are in their 70s now).

When I was little my guardian told me "true stories change with time, if someone always tells you the same story they're lying." I think she told me that to set me up to accept and believe stories that were always changing.

I've been apologised to by several of the people that were involved over the years. One of them straight out told me MK Ultra was involved. I've even got the one that finally admitted what kind of work they were involved in. There is some level of disclosure, it's not as well hidden as one would assume it should be. Sometimes I think the disclosure is just the humanity in people (when they say they're sorry). In one case I think it was because I got someone fired for doing such a crap job at containing things, lol, but that's only a guess.
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I don't blame you for changing to pencil and paper. Would be safer that way......Maybe make copies of it and put them in different places. That's if you haven't done so already :)

As always well written and easy to understand and relate. The idea of you being told to lie about where you attended school, and for how long. That certainly shows that your guardians had something to hide.
Would make me wonder where I had learned those skills you used to deflect that kid. Being told that you hadn't still doesn't explain them away.
Didn't you guardians think that at some point as you got older, that you would question their inconsistencies? At that point.....Did they not bother trying to cover things up?
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Yeah, I seem pretty trained in some areas of being duped as well..

Oddly enough, most of the cover up, besides denial, was them changing the stories to compensate for whatever new evidence I had pulled up.
The last time I spoke to one of the original "crew", I gave her false evidence and she tried to change the story to compensate for it as well (I think they're getting senile..the originals are in their 70s now).

When I was little my guardian told me "true stories change with time, if someone always tells you the same story they're lying." I think she told me that to set me up to accept and believe stories that were always changing.

I've been apologised to by several of the people that were involved over the years. One of them straight out told me MK Ultra was involved. I've even got the one that finally admitted what kind of work they were involved in. There is some level of disclosure, it's not as well hidden as one would assume it should be. Sometimes I think the disclosure is just the humanity in people (when they say they're sorry). In one case I think it was because I got someone fired for doing such a crap job at containing things, lol, but that's only a guess.
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Do you think some of these people could never admit to themselves that they where used. Even those in their 70's?
Not surprised this activity could be hidden in plain site....Who would believe you. Those that do disclose what as happened, must realize their is no point in hiding it anymore, as you have been questioning them for so long. Got to end at some point.
At what age did all this stop.....I mean you being used. Or is it still going on?
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Do you think some of these people could never admit to themselves that they where used. Even those in their 70's?
Not surprised this activity could be hidden in plain site....Who would believe you. Those that do disclose what as happened, must realize their is no point in hiding it anymore, as you have been questioning them for so long. Got to end at some point.
At what age did all this stop.....I mean you being used. Or is it still going on?
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I think denial in any situation is possible, and easily in one where someone would have to admit to being used or question the very essence of who they believe themselves to be. On the flip side, MK training from my day and age often results in a diminishing of the ego on a lot of levels, so it might actually be more possible for MKs to work beyond the denial phase if they chose to.

Old people are just senile :)
Other than that they're probably just as capable of realisation or sticking their heads in the sand as any of us.

I lost part of last Wednesday. I can't honestly claim things are any better, although there are some things that have let off for a while and I pray that they continue to be missing from my life. With my luck it's just intermission.
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Do you think some of these people could never admit to themselves that they where used. Even those in their 70's?
Not surprised this activity could be hidden in plain site....Who would believe you. Those that do disclose what as happened, must realize their is no point in hiding it anymore, as you have been questioning them for so long. Got to end at some point.
At what age did all this stop.....I mean you being used. Or is it still going on?
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I think denial in any situation is possible, and easily in one where someone would have to admit to being used or question the very essence of who they believe themselves to be. On the flip side, MK training from my day and age often results in a diminishing of the ego on a lot of levels, so it might actually be more possible for MKs to work beyond the denial phase if they chose to.

Old people are just senile :)
Other than that they're probably just as capable of realisation or sticking their heads in the sand as any of us.

I lost part of last Wednesday. I can't honestly claim things are any better, although there are some things that have let off for a while and I pray that they continue to be missing from my life. With my luck it's just intermission.
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That would freak me out.uhoh Do you try hard to figure out what happened to the lost time. Or have you got to the point where its pointless trying?
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That would freak me out.uhoh Do you try hard to figure out what happened to the lost time. Or have you got to the point where its pointless trying?
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Sometimes I do, sometimes I don't.
It's like being lost at sea with no boat. Sometimes you swim as hard as you can to try to reach shore, and sometimes you just float and let the waves take you even though you know you'll just end up further out. Either way you're still human, you still need rest sometimes, and you're still at sea.
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They're closing up shop where I went through training..or some are.
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I shall take this brief moment to inflate my ego and hope that my constant whining was at least partially responsible.


They just better not be moving over here.
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They're closing up shop where I went through training..or some are.
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I shall take this brief moment to inflate my ego and hope that my constant whining was at least partially responsible.


They just better not be moving over here.
 Quoting: The Light Under the Door

You would think that the UK would have its own brand of monarch training going on.
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You would think that the UK would have its own brand of monarch training going on.
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Maybe not as good...or at least not the same.

There's this one guy here that was asking me all of these "do you remember" and "how does that make you feel" questions in an awesome eclectic office on a few nights here when I could barely remember how I ended up there. The way he looked at me was like a collector that just came upon the rarest butterfly. I was almost afraid that he was going to pin me to a board to keep me as a specimen.
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You would think that the UK would have its own brand of monarch training going on.
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Maybe not as good...or at least not the same.

There's this one guy here that was asking me all of these "do you remember" and "how does that make you feel" questions in an awesome eclectic office on a few nights here when I could barely remember how I ended up there. The way he looked at me was like a collector that just came upon the rarest butterfly. I was almost afraid that he was going to pin me to a board to keep me as a specimen.
 Quoting: The Light Under the Door

You had no idea who he was? I guess a rare find would be coveted. Maybe to use you as an example.
Did the interview end as he expected. Or for you?
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You had no idea who he was? I guess a rare find would be coveted. Maybe to use you as an example.
Did the interview end as he expected. Or for you?
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I tend not recall every word of every conversation, especially the bizarre ones that leave me feeling like a specimen. What's the point, we already know what they're about.
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Well your avatar makes sense now; it's fitting.
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Lol, maybe.

It was among the avatar choices at the time and it just resonated. I wasn't trying to be scary illuminati or anything :)





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