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Does the Bible support reincarnation???

 
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Does the Bible support reincarnation???
Well I have heard from many people that the Bible does support reincarnation but verses that did were taken out of the Bible over the years.


My question is:

Does the Bible supported or has supported the idea of reincarnation?



If yes



Do you think TPTB are hiding the verses that support reincarnation from us to keep us in fear because if we get out of line we're going to hell and no second chances.


PS:I have heard that the early Christians firmly believed in reincarnation
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Re: Does the Bible support reincarnation???
Well I have heard from many people that the Bible does support reincarnation but verses that did were taken out of the Bible over the years.


My question is:

Does the Bible supported or has supported the idea of reincarnation?



If yes



Do you think TPTB are hiding the verses that support reincarnation from us to keep us in fear because if we get out of line we're going to hell and no second chances.


PS:I have heard that the early Christians firmly believed in reincarnation
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The ancient Israelites did not believe on it.

Jesus was speaking of being born again, from water and the Spirit. No reincarnation either.
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Me too don't believe incarnation
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Jesus said
It is appointed man one time to die and then the judgment.

no re-incarnation sorry...
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Re: Does the Bible support reincarnation???
The ancient Israelites did not believe on it.

Jesus was speaking of being born again, from water and the Spirit. No reincarnation either.
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But it is a documented fact the early Christians believed in reincarnation and TPTB (Catholic Church) at that time probably manipulated or took it out like they did with all the other things they didn't like they wanted control and power.
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Re: Does the Bible support reincarnation???
Jesus said
It is appointed man one time to die and then the judgment.

no re-incarnation sorry...
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Is that what your pastor told you...Study Bible history there are many interpretations of scripture as there people on earth.
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Re: Does the Bible support reincarnation???
The ancient Israelites did not believe on it.

Jesus was speaking of being born again, from water and the Spirit. No reincarnation either.
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But it is a documented fact the early Christians believed in reincarnation and TPTB (Catholic Church) at that time probably manipulated or took it out like they did with all the other things they didn't like they wanted control and power.
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There are no such "documented facts" and it is completely not true.
Do you have some agenda? Why are you making up lies?
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Re: Does the Bible support reincarnation???
Jesus said
It is appointed man one time to die and then the judgment.

no re-incarnation sorry...
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Is that what your pastor told you...Study Bible history there are many interpretations of scripture as there people on earth.
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That passage of scripture is pretty easy to understand. In context it was regarding the specific question of reincarnation.

You clearly have an agenda... as you are not interested in facts or truth.
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Re: Does the Bible support reincarnation???
The ancient Israelites did not believe on it.

Jesus was speaking of being born again, from water and the Spirit. No reincarnation either.
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But it is a documented fact the early Christians believed in reincarnation
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Probably because they were comming in with their pagan background. And most of the Christians have stayed pagan until today aka RCC.

Anyway, the Bible speaks of resurrection only.
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jews believe in reincarnation.
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"The soul that sinneth shall surely die"

...nope
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jews believe in reincarnation.
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What else, lol. Babylon did.
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Re: Does the Bible support reincarnation???
Man is 100% mortal until Jesus returns to give immortality to his people. There is no immortal soul.

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1 Corinthians 15:51 Behold, I show you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality. So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.
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Re: Does the Bible support reincarnation???
Jesus said
It is appointed man one time to die and then the judgment.

no re-incarnation sorry...
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Is that what your pastor told you...Study Bible history there are many interpretations of scripture as there people on earth.
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That passage of scripture is pretty easy to understand. In context it was regarding the specific question of reincarnation.

You clearly have an agenda... as you are not interested in facts or truth.
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Sorry for the bias I will try to be as objective as possible
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Re: Does the Bible support reincarnation???
Of course it does.

Matthew 11


Speaking of John the Baptist:

14 And if you wish to accept it, he is Elijah who was to come.

15 He who has ears to hear, let him hear.


John 1:21 Then they asked him again, What then? Are you Elijah?

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Each of these shows that the idea of someone returning in a different body was a firm belief in reincarnation.


None of these statements have ANYTHING to do with the belief of being 'reborn' in God's Kingdom. They exclusively point to a belief that a person can return, to live among men.

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Re: Does the Bible support reincarnation???
The bible does not support reincarnation unless you mean Born Again by believing Jesus was the Son of God, who died on the cross for your sin.

You should check out the personal account of Pilate, the person who was in charge at the time of Jesus's crucifixion. He even told those jews he didn't want the blood to be on his hands....

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Re: Does the Bible support reincarnation???
Of course it does.

Matthew 11


Speaking of John the Baptist:

14 And if you wish to accept it, he is Elijah who was to come.

15 He who has ears to hear, let him hear.


John 1:21 Then they asked him again, What then? Are you Elijah?

======================

Each of these shows that the idea of someone returning in a different body was a firm belief in reincarnation.
 Quoting: Esoteric Morgan


The job, not the man was meant.
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Re: Does the Bible support reincarnation???
The ancient Israelites did not believe on it.

Jesus was speaking of being born again, from water and the Spirit. No reincarnation either.
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But it is a documented fact the early Christians believed in reincarnation and TPTB (Catholic Church) at that time probably manipulated or took it out like they did with all the other things they didn't like they wanted control and power.
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Yes....I believe this is true. MHO.
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Re: Does the Bible support reincarnation???
Of course it does.

Matthew 11


Speaking of John the Baptist:

14 And if you wish to accept it, he is Elijah who was to come.

15 He who has ears to hear, let him hear.


John 1:21 Then they asked him again, What then? Are you Elijah?

======================

Each of these shows that the idea of someone returning in a different body was a firm belief in reincarnation.
 Quoting: Esoteric Morgan


The job, not the man was meant.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 24276364



I truly believe that those asking John if he was Elijah returned firmly believed John could be Elijah reborn.

If men had no belief in reincarnation, they would never have thought to ask, period. The concept was real.



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No, it supports the resurrection which was why Jesus was resurrecting the dead to show what he is going to do on a greater scale during his thousand year reign. If people kept being recycled there would be no one to resurrect. Jesus says people are dead or 'sleeping' in their graves awaiting the call of his voice. So all those who have died have a chance at life again as themselves and not as someone or something else.
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Of course it does.

Matthew 11


Speaking of John the Baptist:

14 And if you wish to accept it, he is Elijah who was to come.

15 He who has ears to hear, let him hear.


John 1:21 Then they asked him again, What then? Are you Elijah?

======================

Each of these shows that the idea of someone returning in a different body was a firm belief in reincarnation.
 Quoting: Esoteric Morgan


The job, not the man was meant.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 24276364



I truly believe that those asking John if he was Elijah returned firmly believed John could be Elijah reborn.

If men had no belief in reincarnation, they would never have thought to ask, period. The concept was real.



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The religion of the Pharisees was coming from Babylon, not biblical. Hence their strife with Jesus all the time.

The resurrection is not reincarnation.
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yes it is within the apocryphal is that the word texts of the bible it is within thomas if memory serves it is deemed to extreme for the mainstream religion plenty out there on it oh and it even speaks of ufo's
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Isnt everyone born with "original sin"?
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Re: Does the Bible support reincarnation???
To answer your questions: yes and yes

Reincarnation is a law of nature that applies to all living things from minerals to all species of animals, plants, humans and lifeforms unknown to man.

The message of the bible was twisted and rewritten Until it has become unrecognizable.

Check Out the message of the Bhagavad Gita instead!
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Not reincarnation as coming back as a frog or a dog. Yet Paradise will be here on a new earth and in a new you. Resurrected, rescued a sort of reincarnation.
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There are many bible verses where you can see it laid out. In order to let you look into it yourself and see your own insights if interested, I've chosen to lay out only a handful of them here, some with commentary after the verse. I believe it does, and I know for a fact from years of religious study that the Essenes, the sect that Jesus and indeed, the Virgin Mary belonged to, believed in such, but I will leave you to draw your own conclusion from the texts of the bible itself, below:


Malachi 1:2-3 and Romans 9:11-13 both state that God loved Jacob, but hated Esau even before they were born. These verses are highly suggestive of the pre-existence of Esau, a necessary tenet associated with reincarnation.

Job 1:20-21

Then Job arose and tore his robe and shaved his head and he fell to the ground and worshipped. And he said, "Naked I came from my mother’s womb, and naked I shall return there. The Lord gave and the Lord has taken away. Blessed be the name of the Lord." Job says here that he will return to be born again in a womb indicating that he expects to reincarnate.

Another Old Testament verse states:

"Generations come and generations go, but the earth remains forever. The sun rises and the sun sets, and hurries back to where it rises. The wind blows to the south and turns to the north; round and round it goes, ever returning on its course. All streams flow into the sea, yet the sea is never full. To the place the streams come from, there they return again...What has been will be again, what has been done will be done again; there is nothing new under the sun." (Ecclesiastes 1:4-9)

The Hebrew kabbalists interpreted this quote to mean that a generation dies and subsequently returns by the process of reincarnation.

"And as he was passing by, he saw a man blind from birth. And his disciples asked him, 'Rabbi, who has sinned, this man or his parents, that he should be born blind?" Jesus answered, 'Neither has this man sinned, nor his parents, but the works of God were to be made manifest in him.'" (John 9:1)

The disciples ask the Lord if the man himself could have committed the sin that led to his blindness. Given the fact that the man has been blind from birth, we are confronted with a provocative question. When could he have made such transgressions as to make him blind at birth? The only conceivable answer is in some prenatal state. The question as posed by the disciples explicitly presupposes prenatal existence. It will also be noted that Christ says nothing to dispel or correct the presupposition.

"For all the prophets and the law have prophesied until John. And if you are willing to receive it, he is Elijah who was to come." (Matthew 11:13-14)

"And the disciples asked him, saying, 'Why then do the scribes say that Elijah must come first?' But he answered them and said, 'Elijah indeed is to come and will restore all things. But I say to you that Elijah has come already, and they did not know him, but did to him whatever they wished. So also shall the Son of Man suffer at their hand.' Then the disciples understood that he had spoken of John the Baptist." (Matthew 17:10-13)

As for the John the Baptist-Elijah episode, there can be little question as to its purpose. By identifying the Baptist as Elijah, Jesus is identifying himself as the Messiah. Throughout the gospel narrative there are explicit references to the signs that will precede the Messiah. "Behold I will send you Elijah the prophet, before the coming of the great and dreadful day of the Lord." (Malachi 4:5)



John 3:
1 There was a man of the Pharisees, named Nicodemus, a ruler of the Jews:

2 The same came to Jesus by night, and said unto him, Rabbi, we know that thou art a teacher come from God: for no man can do these miracles that thou doest, except God be with him.

3 Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.

4 Nicodemus saith unto him, How can a man be born when he is old? can he enter the second time into his mother's womb, and be born?

5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.


6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.

7 Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again.

8 The wind bloweth where it listeth, and thou hearest the sound thereof, but canst not tell whence it cometh, and whither it goeth: so is every one that is born of the Spirit.

9 Nicodemus answered and said unto him, How can these things be?

10 Jesus answered and said unto him, Art thou a master of Israel, and knowest not these things?

11 Verily, verily, I say unto thee, We speak that we do know, and testify that we have seen; and ye receive not our witness.

12 If I have told you earthly things, and ye believe not, how shall ye believe, if I tell you of heavenly things?

13 And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven.

14 And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up:

15 That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life.

16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

Beyond the obvious implication, look at the word choice in John 3:16, so oft taken for granted. His only BEGOTTEN son. If Adam was the only man created by God and not born, how is Jesus his only BEGOTTEN son unless it is the same who was Adam? And is He who introduced Sin not the only one who can sensibly take the Sin of mankind upon himself?

Although the Bible also contains other reincarnational passages, these Elijah-John passages constitute clear proof of reincarnation:

1. The Old Testament prophesied that Elijah himself (not someone "like" him or someone "similar" to him, but Elijah himself) would return before the advent of the Messiah.

2. Jesus declared that John the Baptist was Elijah who had returned, stating bluntly "Elijah has come".

Now, based on these passages alone, either (A) or (B) must be true:

(A) John the Baptist was Elijah himself, meaning that Elijah had reincarnated. If this is true, then reincarnation must belong in Christian theology, and the West's entire doctrinal interpretation of "Life After Death" in general, and the "Last Day Resurrection" in particular, must be radically revised, or...

(B) John the Baptist was not Elijah himself, meaning that Elijah himself had not returned. If this is so, then either:

(1) The Old Testament prophecy about Elijah returning before the Messiah failed to come to pass (meaning that Biblical prophecy is fallible), OR

(2) Jesus was not the Messiah.

Basically, it comes down to this simple question: What do you want to believe? One of the following A, B, or C, must logically be true:

A. Reincarnation is true, or

B. Jesus was not the Messiah, or

C. The prophecies of the Bible are unreliable.

As surely as two and two make four, one of the above must be true. At any rate, the passage in which Jesus says in no uncertain terms that John was Elijah is "overt" and direct:

"But I tell you, Elijah has come." (Mark 9:13)

The following verse is used to refute the John the Baptist/Elijah reincarnation connection. The Bible tells us that John the Baptist possessed,

"... the spirit and power of Elijah." (Luke 1:17)

Those who refute this reincarnation connection say that John the Baptist merely came in the spirit and power of Elijah. However, this is a perfect description of reincarnation: the spirit and power. This is reincarnation - the reincarnation of the spirit. The Bible itself states that John the Baptist possessed the spirit that had previously lived in, and as, the man Elijah - not his physical being and memory, but his spirit.

John carried Elijah's living spirit, but not his physical memory. And since John did not possess Elijah's physical memory, he did not possess the memories of being the man Elijah. Thus, John the Baptist denied being Elijah when asked:

They asked him, "Then who are you? Are you Elijah?" He said, "I am not." "Are you the Prophet?" He answered, "No." Finally they said, "Who are you? Give us an answer to take back to those who sent us. What do you say about yourself?" John replied in the words of Isaiah the prophet, "I am the voice of one calling in the desert, 'Make straight the way for the Lord.'" Now some Pharisees who had been sent questioned him, "Why then do you baptize if you are not the Christ, nor Elijah, nor the Prophet?" "I baptize with water," John replied, "but among you stands one you do not know. He is the one who comes after me, the thongs of whose sandals I am not worthy to untie." (John 1:21-27)

But Jesus knew better, and said so in the plainest words possible:

"This is the one ... there has not risen anyone greater than John the Baptist.... And if you are willing to accept it, he is the Elijah who was to come. He who has ears, let him hear." (Matthew 11:11-15).

It comes down to this: Jesus said John was Elijah, and John said he wasn't. Which of the two is to be believed - Jesus or John?

I also would like to point out that the Catholic Church outlawed and put to death those that preached reincarnation.

THE FIFTH ECUMENICAL COUNCIL THE SECOND COUNCIL OF CONSTANTINOPLE A.D. 553

IF anyone asserts the fabulous pre-existence of souls, and shall assert the monstrous restoration which follows from it: let him be anathema.

This is the same church that made Sabbath keeping punishable by death in the THE COUNCIL OF LAODICEA IN PHRYGIA PACATIANA 364 A.D.

CHRISTIANS must not judaize by resting on the Sabbath, but must work on that day, rather honouring the Lord's Day; and, if they can, resting then as Christians. But if any shall be found to be judaizers, let them be anathema from Christ.

The Jewish religious leaders of Jesus' day were well aware of the 'return of Elijah' prophecy. At one time the rabbis had asked Jesus' disciples to explain how Jesus could possibly have been the Messiah when it was obvious that Elijah had not returned from heaven yet.

The Apostles couldn't answer this question, so they asked Jesus:

"Why do the Jewish leaders insist Elijah must return before the Messiah comes?"
Jesus answered by first affirming that this question was valid and that this prophecy indeed was true. He said:
"They are right. Elijah must come and set everything in order..."
But then, to everyone's surprise, Jesus explained:
"In fact, he [Elijah] already has come, but he wasn't recognized, and was badly mistreated by many... Then the disciples realized he was speaking of John the Baptist."-Matthew 17:10-13 (LIVING BIBLE-CATHOLIC EDITION) (this account can also be found in: Mark 9:11-13)
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