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Tokyo’s compromise sends subtle message

The Japanese government is reportedly studying a compromise over the Diaoyu Islands issue, which would take into consideration China's position while insisting on Japan's "no sovereignty dispute" stance. According to Japanese media, whether the compromise is implemented or not will depend on China's future attitude.

We think there is no possibility of Japan making any substantial compromise with China over Diaoyu at this time. Chinese public opinion should have no such expectations. The so-called compromise proposed by Japan can only be a gesture aimed at tempering the tension and reducing the damage caused to the Japanese economy.

But this gesture also signals a new development in Sino-Japanese relations. Tokyo's arrogance has been dampened, while China is getting the upper hand in its tussle with Japan.


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The Chinese were encouraged to attack all Japan owned corporations in China. This should be a lesson for USA!
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That's what you call a feeler. The question is, what do they want in return? I don't believe they will just lay down.
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China all around Japan, Korea to the west and Russia to the north all have islands the Japs are hoggin'. The US will take Japans side in this after what they did at Pearl Harbor, the Phillipines, and Singapore.The old allies are now the opposition. Are Americans willing to die for Japanese? In the 80's everyone was whining about the Japanese and their protectionist business practices, and domination over the US business wise. Now it's China, next will be India probably.Japan has a nasty habit of saying they are your friends and without warning or declaration of war, just show up one day and start shooting and bombing you.
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pphhtt...google the opium war -China was the same as industrial america in the 1920's...they intend to make paybacks for the humiliation that was cast upon them..mark my words
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The Chinese were encouraged to attack all Japan owned corporations in China. This should be a lesson for USA!
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No it shouldn't. China doesn't have the relationship it does with the USA that it does with Japan.

China and Japan have a long nasty history. It wasn't but ~60 years ago that the Japanese raped and pillaged their way through China.

China and the USA are attached economically at the hip. If China starts attacking all USA owned businesses then USA owned businesses get scared and move to other parts of Asia. China needs the USA to sustain it's current growth rate. It needs USA investors. As strong as Japan is China doesn't need them like they do the USA.

Welcome to the downside of Globalization.
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“Islam makes it incumbent on all adult males, provided they are not disabled and incapacitated, to prepare themselves for the conquest of [other] countries so that the writ of Islam is obeyed in every country in the world. But those who study Islamic Holy War will understand why Islam wants to conquer the whole world…. Those who know nothing of Islam pretend that Islam counsels against war. Those [who say this] are witless. Islam says: Kill all the unbelievers just as they would kill you all! Does this mean that Muslims should sit back until they are devoured by [the unbelievers]? Islam says: Kill them [the non-Muslims], put them to the sword and scatter [their armies]. Does this mean sitting back until [non-Muslims] overcome us? Islam says: Kill in the service of Allah those who may want to kill you! Does this mean that we should surrender to the enemy? Islam says: Whatever good there is exists thanks to the sword and in the shadow of the sword! People cannot be made obedient except with the sword! The sword is the key to Paradise, which can be opened only for Holy Warriors! There are hundreds of other [Koranic] verses and Hadiths [sayings of the Prophet] urging Muslims to value war and to fight. Does all that mean that Islam is a religion that prevents men from waging war? I spit upon those foolish souls who make such a claim.”
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If Japan is about to relinquish the island they should take all their Fukishima material and all the other toxic, radioactive and deadly material they have and store it there, then turn the islands over.
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China prob has more military personnel than Japan has in it's entire population.

Sheer # game.
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China all around Japan, Korea to the west and Russia to the north all have islands the Japs are hoggin'. The US will take Japans side in this after what they did at Pearl Harbor, the Phillipines, and Singapore.The old allies are now the opposition. Are Americans willing to die for Japanese? In the 80's everyone was whining about the Japanese and their protectionist business practices, and domination over the US business wise. Now it's China, next will be India probably.Japan has a nasty habit of saying they are your friends and without warning or declaration of war, just show up one day and start shooting and bombing you.
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We were Allies with China in the 40's. In the 50's we were fighting them. Things change quickly. This won't come to war so no sides need to be picked.

Besides the Japanese have a weird relationship with the USA. After WW2 they thought the USA would basically annex Japan and be very harsh to the people. It was the exact opposite. We did the marshal plan which allowed Japan to grow strong enough that many in the US thought Japan would be a super power in the 80's.

My grandpa used to tell me how when he was in Japan the strange respect the Japanese citizens had for Americans. They were told the Americans would rape and kill everyone. Instead we rebuild their country and give them freedom.

Just look a General Douglas McAruthur. He was a flawed man for sure but a great great man also. He oversaw occupation and shaped Japan to what it is now. Many Japanese loved him.

Now it's ~60 years later and many Japanese forget how easily Japan could have been annexed by the USA or split between the USA and USSR which would have been a real nightmare for them.

Japan is still a very proud nation though and still isolated in many ways. They don't have a strong enough military to attack anyway so you don't need to worry about any sneak attacks. The culture of the 40's where everyone lives to serves the Emperor is much different than today.
Ayatollah Khomeini:
“Islam makes it incumbent on all adult males, provided they are not disabled and incapacitated, to prepare themselves for the conquest of [other] countries so that the writ of Islam is obeyed in every country in the world. But those who study Islamic Holy War will understand why Islam wants to conquer the whole world…. Those who know nothing of Islam pretend that Islam counsels against war. Those [who say this] are witless. Islam says: Kill all the unbelievers just as they would kill you all! Does this mean that Muslims should sit back until they are devoured by [the unbelievers]? Islam says: Kill them [the non-Muslims], put them to the sword and scatter [their armies]. Does this mean sitting back until [non-Muslims] overcome us? Islam says: Kill in the service of Allah those who may want to kill you! Does this mean that we should surrender to the enemy? Islam says: Whatever good there is exists thanks to the sword and in the shadow of the sword! People cannot be made obedient except with the sword! The sword is the key to Paradise, which can be opened only for Holy Warriors! There are hundreds of other [Koranic] verses and Hadiths [sayings of the Prophet] urging Muslims to value war and to fight. Does all that mean that Islam is a religion that prevents men from waging war? I spit upon those foolish souls who make such a claim.”
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Taiwan is next...

US will allow it to happen. We are far too weak and the Chinese hold too much of our debt. They control us.

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the outcome of ww2 was determined by the availability/embargo of oil and the ability to manufacture war machines in factories

in the 1940's it was different

China will be the global leader and superpower eventually..I hope the west hasn't offended them too much in the past and that we will pay our debts for foreign trade in the future...
conflict is likely inevitable...scary part is that all we got left is probably nukes..we can't manufacture guns. tanks. planes anymore for conventional war
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Japan is hopeless, they are too shortsighted to realise they will be counting on the Chinese`s rescue when they go into the ocean. if they are smart they should simply apologize and return the islands to Taiwan or China whichever is nearer. they`ve done enough to earn what's coming to them

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pphhtt...google the opium war -China was the same as industrial america in the 1920's...they intend to make paybacks for the humiliation that was cast upon them..mark my words
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This is a manufactured problem. In reality, the aims of the United States are the same as the required outcomes of both China and Japan.

They are under control, as is the United States.

When there are "problems" in this area, look elsewhere for the true game that is being played.

Turkey, NATO, Syria, Israel, and Iran are the pawns in the current game. All others are in play, but not at the top.
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why are you all so war hungry?
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why are you all so war hungry?
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Perhaps some are, but in the end it is not their choice.

Nor is it yours...
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Chinese sympathizers are either Chinese immigrants/ children of Chinese immigrants or just simply idiots.

How do people justify Chinese government! Ww2???

Retard!!!!
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Disputed Islands With 45 Years of Oil Split China, Japan

..China is the world’s largest energy consumer and is running out of oil because its aging onshore fields cannot keep pace with near double-digit economic growth. By the end of this decade, the country will need to import more than 60 percent of its crude compared with about 50 percent now and one third of its natural gas, according to estimates from China Petroleum & Chemical Industry Federation.
“China has to look for offshore fields to deliver the energy supply it needs as onshore fields are exhausted,” said Lin Boqiang, director of the China Center for Energy Economics Research at Xiamen University in Fujian province.
Japanese Prime Minister Yoshihiko Noda yesterday called for talks to contain economic damage from the diplomatic dispute with China. He reiterated that the islands are “Japan’s inherent territory” in an interview with Bloomberg News.


Saudi-Sized Reserves

The sea east of China may hold as much as 160 billion barrels of oil and the South China Sea 213 billion, according to Chinese studies cited by the U.S. Energy Information Agency. Combined, the reserves would be bigger than Saudi Arabia’s 265 billion barrels and enough to supply China’s needs for a century based on 2011 consumption data provided by BP Plc. (BP/)
Gaining control over the largely untapped areas in the South China and East China Seas would help China avoid Japan’s postwar energy model, where its security is largely staked on oil tanker supplies originating 7,700 kilometers (4,800 miles) from Tokyo in the Middle East.
“China is concerned about the long term,” said Hoo

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the outcome of ww2 was determined by the availability/embargo of oil and the ability to manufacture war machines in factories

in the 1940's it was different

China will be the global leader and superpower eventually..I hope the west hasn't offended them too much in the past and that we will pay our debts for foreign trade in the future...
conflict is likely inevitable...scary part is that all we got left is probably nukes..we can't manufacture guns. tanks. planes anymore for conventional war
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Isn't it ironic how your parents fled china to immigrate to Canada and their children becomes brainwashed into the ccp propaganda?

U shouldn't identify yourself with ccp but you should know how ccp treats it's people ! Study your own people's history
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Japan car sales in China tumble, hit by islands row

Japanese car makers reported tumbling sales in China for September - with Toyota's almost halvin
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China Exclusive: Japanese "sovereignty" claim over Diaoyu Islands never recognized by U.S.
By Zhang Yunlong (Xinhua)
08:19, October 11, 2012
BEIJING, Oct. 10 (Xinhua) -- A recent document produced by the United States government shows that the U.S. has never recognized Japan's claim of "sovereignty" over the Diaoyu Islands.

The report, "Diaoyu Islands Dispute: U.S. Treaty Obligations," was released on Sept. 25 by the U.S. Congressional Research Service and clarifies the U.S. government stand on the sovereignty issue.

The U.S. government position was also echoed by Henry Kissinger in his latest remarks reported by global media.


During U.S. Senate deliberations in October 1971 on whether to consent to the ratification of the "Okinawa Reversion Treaty," the U.S. State Department asserted that the United States took a neutral positi..

[link to english.peopledaily.com.cn]
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The Chinese were encouraged to attack all Japan owned corporations in China. This should be a lesson for USA!
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No it shouldn't. China doesn't have the relationship it does with the USA that it does with Japan.

China and Japan have a long nasty history. It wasn't but ~60 years ago that the Japanese raped and pillaged their way through China.

China and the USA are attached economically at the hip. If China starts attacking all USA owned businesses then USA owned businesses get scared and move to other parts of Asia. China needs the USA to sustain it's current growth rate. It needs USA investors. As strong as Japan is China doesn't need them like they do the USA.

Welcome to the downside of Globalization.
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And yet, to maintain our fleet in the Pacific, we're taking Japan's side. Japan is our bitch, our "permanent aircraft carrier" in that part of the ocean.

Sort of an interesting position to take, militarily opposing our largest creditor.
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The Chinese were encouraged to attack all Japan owned corporations in China. This should be a lesson for USA!
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No it shouldn't. China doesn't have the relationship it does with the USA that it does with Japan.

China and Japan have a long nasty history. It wasn't but ~60 years ago that the Japanese raped and pillaged their way through China.

China and the USA are attached economically at the hip. If China starts attacking all USA owned businesses then USA owned businesses get scared and move to other parts of Asia. China needs the USA to sustain it's current growth rate. It needs USA investors. As strong as Japan is China doesn't need them like they do the USA.

Welcome to the downside of Globalization.
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And yet, to maintain our fleet in the Pacific, we're taking Japan's side. Japan is our bitch, our "permanent aircraft carrier" in that part of the ocean.

Sort of an interesting position to take, militarily opposing our largest creditor.
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the fear held by other countries claiming title (both south korea and taiwan claim ownership also) is the japanese plan to develop them .

out of all the claims, the japaneses seems to hold the least weight.
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ahhhhh...the wisest they are, the cooler it gets. Thats why I like asians. They always come with wise stuff after being mad angry. Kitsune Wins!

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The Chinese were encouraged to attack all Japan owned corporations in China. This should be a lesson for USA!
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No it shouldn't. China doesn't have the relationship it does with the USA that it does with Japan.

China and Japan have a long nasty history. It wasn't but ~60 years ago that the Japanese raped and pillaged their way through China.

China and the USA are attached economically at the hip. If China starts attacking all USA owned businesses then USA owned businesses get scared and move to other parts of Asia. China needs the USA to sustain it's current growth rate. It needs USA investors. As strong as Japan is China doesn't need them like they do the USA.

Welcome to the downside of Globalization.
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And yet, to maintain our fleet in the Pacific, we're taking Japan's side. Japan is our bitch, our "permanent aircraft carrier" in that part of the ocean.

Sort of an interesting position to take, militarily opposing our largest creditor.
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Ure nobody in america unless ure rich!
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Why is our permanent aircraft carrier, i.e., the USS Japan, all talking this shit?
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Because people dont see the value of human life being wasted over little tiny lumps of rocks in the ocean other think that one side is "winning". Both sides win.
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China all around Japan, Korea to the west and Russia to the north all have islands the Japs are hoggin'. The US will take Japans side in this after what they did at Pearl Harbor, the Phillipines, and Singapore.The old allies are now the opposition. Are Americans willing to die for Japanese? In the 80's everyone was whining about the Japanese and their protectionist business practices, and domination over the US business wise. Now it's China, next will be India probably.Japan has a nasty habit of saying they are your friends and without warning or declaration of war, just show up one day and start shooting and bombing you.
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We were Allies with China in the 40's. In the 50's we were fighting them. Things change quickly. This won't come to war so no sides need to be picked.

Besides the Japanese have a weird relationship with the USA. After WW2 they thought the USA would basically annex Japan and be very harsh to the people. It was the exact opposite. We did the marshal plan which allowed Japan to grow strong enough that many in the US thought Japan would be a super power in the 80's.

My grandpa used to tell me how when he was in Japan the strange respect the Japanese citizens had for Americans. They were told the Americans would rape and kill everyone. Instead we rebuild their country and give them freedom.

Just look a General Douglas McAruthur. He was a flawed man for sure but a great great man also. He oversaw occupation and shaped Japan to what it is now. Many Japanese loved him.

Now it's ~60 years later and many Japanese forget how easily Japan could have been annexed by the USA or split between the USA and USSR which would have been a real nightmare for them.

Japan is still a very proud nation though and still isolated in many ways. They don't have a strong enough military to attack anyway so you don't need to worry about any sneak attacks. The culture of the 40's where everyone lives to serves the Emperor is much different than today.
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I agree, but with one exception. They don't need a big military, as long as they have the right equipment and alliance. And the U.S. and Japan are tight. The U.S. is the only thing protecting them from China. If i wasn't for the U.S.A., China would have attacked anytime after WWII til today. Without that protection, Japan would be toast.

Question is, could China do it and get away with it. Japan is stalling, and so is China.
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If this means avoiding conflict, I for one is happy.

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