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The Truth about Hell - but the mainstream fundies can't accept it. and maybe you can't either

 
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Thank is good to know!

What denomination are you, may I ask?

If you wish not to say, I will understand.

blessings
 Quoting: Little Star


well, i don't subscribe to any denomination.
i know which ones i'm not. maybe that helps.
 Quoting: Salt


Then if you are not of any denomination, they we both have something in common. I do not belong to any church at all.

But I do go to churches to share what I have learned, if they want to listen.

I try and dig deep into the Word.

Like I have found acrostics, metaphors, figures of speech, Hebraisms, symbolics and etc. which the Word confirms all of them within itself. I think that is pretty cool.

I went to a church this summer and chatted with a pastor and he knew nothing about them. He gave me strict orders to keep my mouth shut at his church if I wished to attend.

I shared some things with him and he got lost , yet I used the Word to prove them, again using 1 Cor. 13:1 as my formula to prove what I was sharing with him.

What is a Hebraism I asked him.
Do you know sis ?

Because if you don't know about them, you will miss translate the verse's in the bible.

I can show you one if you don't know and then let the Lord lead you after that.
blessings
 Quoting: Little Star


i attend a couple local churches here. i go regular. but, i am also able to separate myself from the creepy people who are still stuck in the big "lie" and operate from discernment.

but, after a long search i found a couple that bring a good word each week.

one of them is a black church, which i like very much.
 Quoting: Salt


That is outstanding. You know as a Christian without a home church, I can understand clearly where you are coming from.
I miss fellowship at times and my wife and I have each other which helps greatly. I also have my mom and my brother and sisters and my moms husband which is a pastor.

He is a good man too! He knows he must be on his toes with me tho because I give him tons of questions also when I chat with him. He likes to tho. lol

Say, can you tell me what the Song of Moses is in the Word?

I hope you did not forget that question.
I know lots of pastors don't like to be asked any questions at all. They get put off by them.

blessings to you sis.

PS. if you see my postings you will know I made a mistake in my typing words. lol

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Joseph Campbell is a false teacher/prophet

i wouldn't follow him anywhere
 Quoting: Salt


Thank is good to know!

What denomination are you, may I ask?

If you wish not to say, I will understand.

blessings
 Quoting: Little Star


well, i don't subscribe to any denomination.
i know which ones i'm not. maybe that helps.
 Quoting: Salt


Then if you are not of any denomination, then we both have something in common. I do not belong to any church at all.

But I do go to churches to share what I have learned, if they want to listen.

I try and dig deep into the Word.

Like I have found acrostics, metaphors, figures of speech, Hebraisms, symbolics and etc. which the Word confirms all of them within itself. I think that is pretty cool.

I went to a church this summer and chatted with a pastor and he knew nothing about them. He gave me strict orders to keep my mouth shut at his church if I wished to attend.

I shared some things with him and he got lost , yet I used the Word to prove them, again using 1 Cor. 13:1 as my formula to prove what I was sharing with him.

What is a Hebraism I asked him.
Do you know sis ?

Because if you don't know about them, you will miss translate the verse's in the bible.

I can show you one if you don't know and then let the Lord lead you after that.
blessings
 Quoting: Little Star


start praying for truth and discernment.
and probably stay away from DGN's threads, or whatever his name is. he likes to twist things around a lot. no truth happening there.

i don't mind these discussions. that's why i created the thread.
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And what about the poor bastards who just so happened to be born in a geographic location that prevented them from ever even hearing about Jesus? Burn in hell? Fuck you pious cunts.
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Deuteronomy 32:1-43

Holman Christian Standard Bible (HCSB)
Song of Moses

32 Pay attention, heavens, and I will speak;
listen, earth, to the words of my mouth.
2 Let my teaching fall like rain
and my word settle like dew,
like gentle rain on new grass
and showers on tender plants.
3 For I will proclaim Yahweh’s name.
Declare the greatness of our God!
4 The Rock—His work is perfect;
all His ways are entirely just.
A faithful God, without prejudice,
He is righteous and true.

5 His people have acted corruptly toward Him;
this is their defect—they are not His children
but a devious and crooked generation.
6 Is this how you repay the Lord,
you foolish and senseless people?
Isn’t He your Father and Creator?
Didn’t He make you and sustain you?
7 Remember the days of old;
consider the years long past.
Ask your father, and he will tell you,
your elders, and they will teach you.
8 When the Most High gave the nations their inheritance
and divided the human race,
He set the boundaries of the peoples
according to the number of the people of Israel.
9 But the Lord’s portion is His people,
Jacob, His own inheritance.

10 He found him in a desolate land,
in a barren, howling wilderness;
He surrounded him, cared for him,
and protected him as the pupil of His eye.
11 He watches over[d] His nest like an eagle
and hovers over His young;
He spreads His wings, catches him,
and lifts him up on His pinions.
12 The Lord alone led him,
with no help from a foreign god.
13 He made him ride on the heights of the land
and eat the produce of the field.
He nourished him with honey from the rock
and oil from flint-like rock,
14 cream from the herd and milk from the flock,
with the fat of lambs,
rams from Bashan, and goats,
with the choicest grains of wheat;
you drank wine from the finest grapes.

15 Then Jeshurun became fat and rebelled—
you became fat, bloated, and gorged.
He abandoned the God who made him
and scorned the Rock of his salvation.
16 They provoked His jealousy with foreign gods;
they enraged Him with detestable practices.
17 They sacrificed to demons, not God,
to gods they had not known,
new gods that had just arrived,
which your fathers did not fear.
18 You ignored the Rock who gave you birth;
you forgot the God who gave birth to you.

19 When the Lord saw this, He despised them,
provoked to anger by His sons and daughters.
20 He said: “I will hide My face from them;
I will see what will become of them,
for they are a perverse generation—
unfaithful children.
21 They have provoked My jealousy
with their so-called gods;
they have enraged Me with their worthless idols.
So I will provoke their jealousy
with an inferior people;
I will enrage them with a foolish nation.
22 For fire has been kindled because of My anger
and burns to the depths of Sheol;
it devours the land and its produce,
and scorches the foundations of the mountains.

23 “I will pile disasters on them;
I will use up My arrows against them.
24 They will be weak from hunger,
ravaged by pestilence and bitter plague;
I will unleash on them wild beasts with fangs,
as well as venomous snakes that slither in the dust.
25 Outside, the sword will take their children,
and inside, there will be terror;
the young man and the young woman will be killed,
the infant and the gray-haired man.

26 “I would have said: I will cut them to pieces
and blot out the memory of them from mankind,
27 if I had not feared insult from the enemy,
or feared that these foes might misunderstand
and say: ‘Our own hand has prevailed;
it wasn’t the Lord who did all this.’”

28 Israel is a nation lacking sense
with no understanding at all.
29 If only they were wise, they would figure it out;
they would understand their fate.
30 How could one man pursue a thousand,
or two put ten thousand to flight,
unless their Rock had sold them,
unless the Lord had given them up?
31 But their “rock” is not like our Rock;
even our enemies concede.
32 For their vine is from the vine of Sodom
and from the fields of Gomorrah.
Their grapes are poisonous;
their clusters are bitter.
33 Their wine is serpents’ venom,
the deadly poison of cobras.

34 “Is it not stored up with Me,
sealed up in My vaults?
35 Vengeance belongs to Me; I will repay.
In time their foot will slip,
for their day of disaster is near,
and their doom is coming quickly.”
36 The Lord will indeed vindicate His people
and have compassion on His servants
when He sees that their strength is gone
and no one is left—slave or free.
37 He will say: “Where are their gods,
the ‘rock’ they found refuge in?
38 Who ate the fat of their sacrifices
and drank the wine of their drink offerings?
Let them rise up and help you;
let it be a shelter for you.
39 See now that I alone am He;
there is no God but Me.
I bring death and I give life;
I wound and I heal.
No one can rescue anyone from My hand.
40 I raise My hand to heaven and declare:
As surely as I live forever,
41 when I sharpen My flashing sword,
and My hand takes hold of judgment,
I will take vengeance on My adversaries
and repay those who hate Me.
42 I will make My arrows drunk with blood
while My sword devours flesh—
the blood of the slain and the captives,
the heads of the enemy leaders.”

43 Rejoice, you nations, concerning His people,
for He will avenge the blood of His servants.
He will take vengeance on His adversaries;
He will purify His land and His people.
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Thank is good to know!

What denomination are you, may I ask?

If you wish not to say, I will understand.

blessings
 Quoting: Little Star


well, i don't subscribe to any denomination.
i know which ones i'm not. maybe that helps.
 Quoting: Salt


Then if you are not of any denomination, then we both have something in common. I do not belong to any church at all.

But I do go to churches to share what I have learned, if they want to listen.

I try and dig deep into the Word.

Like I have found acrostics, metaphors, figures of speech, Hebraisms, symbolics and etc. which the Word confirms all of them within itself. I think that is pretty cool.

I went to a church this summer and chatted with a pastor and he knew nothing about them. He gave me strict orders to keep my mouth shut at his church if I wished to attend.

I shared some things with him and he got lost , yet I used the Word to prove them, again using 1 Cor. 13:1 as my formula to prove what I was sharing with him.

What is a Hebraism I asked him.
Do you know sis ?

Because if you don't know about them, you will miss translate the verse's in the bible.

I can show you one if you don't know and then let the Lord lead you after that.
blessings
 Quoting: Little Star


start praying for truth and discernment.
and probably stay away from DGN's threads, or whatever his name is. he likes to twist things around a lot. no truth happening there.

i don't mind these discussions. that's why i created the thread.
 Quoting: Salt


DGN is okay, I know he is a JW and that is okay with me. I can talk with anyone no matter what denomination they are.

I had asked DGN a couple of questions today. He kind of fell on his face a bit when I asked him about the Hebrew alphabet and the letter "J".

It stumped him a bit. lol
I kind of woke him up a bit.. lol

I try to be as nice and friendly as I can with everyone. But I am human too and if someone pushes real hard for a long period of time, I open up scriptures to let them see themselves, just like I do myself. lol

Blessings
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And what about the poor bastards who just so happened to be born in a geographic location that prevented them from ever even hearing about Jesus? Burn in hell? Fuck you pious cunts.
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everyone gets a chance to know God.
everyone.
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Appropriately your required response is to acknowledge your own need -- in effect, giving up your "honor" -- by admitting that you need God's help to pay the debt. ..."

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Sounds like the way re-education camps worked.

Nice deity indeed, see the "Why christians worship Satan" thread
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Deuteronomy 32:1-43

Holman Christian Standard Bible (HCSB)
Song of Moses

32 Pay attention, heavens, and I will speak;
listen, earth, to the words of my mouth.
2 Let my teaching fall like rain
and my word settle like dew,
like gentle rain on new grass
and showers on tender plants.
3 For I will proclaim Yahweh’s name.
Declare the greatness of our God!
4 The Rock—His work is perfect;
all His ways are entirely just.
A faithful God, without prejudice,
He is righteous and true.

5 His people have acted corruptly toward Him;
this is their defect—they are not His children
but a devious and crooked generation.
6 Is this how you repay the Lord,
you foolish and senseless people?
Isn’t He your Father and Creator?
Didn’t He make you and sustain you?
7 Remember the days of old;
consider the years long past.
Ask your father, and he will tell you,
your elders, and they will teach you.
8 When the Most High gave the nations their inheritance
and divided the human race,
He set the boundaries of the peoples
according to the number of the people of Israel.
9 But the Lord’s portion is His people,
Jacob, His own inheritance.

10 He found him in a desolate land,
in a barren, howling wilderness;
He surrounded him, cared for him,
and protected him as the pupil of His eye.
11 He watches over[d] His nest like an eagle
and hovers over His young;
He spreads His wings, catches him,
and lifts him up on His pinions.
12 The Lord alone led him,
with no help from a foreign god.
13 He made him ride on the heights of the land
and eat the produce of the field.
He nourished him with honey from the rock
and oil from flint-like rock,
14 cream from the herd and milk from the flock,
with the fat of lambs,
rams from Bashan, and goats,
with the choicest grains of wheat;
you drank wine from the finest grapes.

15 Then Jeshurun became fat and rebelled—
you became fat, bloated, and gorged.
He abandoned the God who made him
and scorned the Rock of his salvation.
16 They provoked His jealousy with foreign gods;
they enraged Him with detestable practices.
17 They sacrificed to demons, not God,
to gods they had not known,
new gods that had just arrived,
which your fathers did not fear.
18 You ignored the Rock who gave you birth;
you forgot the God who gave birth to you.

19 When the Lord saw this, He despised them,
provoked to anger by His sons and daughters.
20 He said: “I will hide My face from them;
I will see what will become of them,
for they are a perverse generation—
unfaithful children.
21 They have provoked My jealousy
with their so-called gods;
they have enraged Me with their worthless idols.
So I will provoke their jealousy
with an inferior people;
I will enrage them with a foolish nation.
22 For fire has been kindled because of My anger
and burns to the depths of Sheol;
it devours the land and its produce,
and scorches the foundations of the mountains.

23 “I will pile disasters on them;
I will use up My arrows against them.
24 They will be weak from hunger,
ravaged by pestilence and bitter plague;
I will unleash on them wild beasts with fangs,
as well as venomous snakes that slither in the dust.
25 Outside, the sword will take their children,
and inside, there will be terror;
the young man and the young woman will be killed,
the infant and the gray-haired man.

26 “I would have said: I will cut them to pieces
and blot out the memory of them from mankind,
27 if I had not feared insult from the enemy,
or feared that these foes might misunderstand
and say: ‘Our own hand has prevailed;
it wasn’t the Lord who did all this.’”

28 Israel is a nation lacking sense
with no understanding at all.
29 If only they were wise, they would figure it out;
they would understand their fate.
30 How could one man pursue a thousand,
or two put ten thousand to flight,
unless their Rock had sold them,
unless the Lord had given them up?
31 But their “rock” is not like our Rock;
even our enemies concede.
32 For their vine is from the vine of Sodom
and from the fields of Gomorrah.
Their grapes are poisonous;
their clusters are bitter.
33 Their wine is serpents’ venom,
the deadly poison of cobras.

34 “Is it not stored up with Me,
sealed up in My vaults?
35 Vengeance belongs to Me; I will repay.
In time their foot will slip,
for their day of disaster is near,
and their doom is coming quickly.”
36 The Lord will indeed vindicate His people
and have compassion on His servants
when He sees that their strength is gone
and no one is left—slave or free.
37 He will say: “Where are their gods,
the ‘rock’ they found refuge in?
38 Who ate the fat of their sacrifices
and drank the wine of their drink offerings?
Let them rise up and help you;
let it be a shelter for you.
39 See now that I alone am He;
there is no God but Me.
I bring death and I give life;
I wound and I heal.
No one can rescue anyone from My hand.
40 I raise My hand to heaven and declare:
As surely as I live forever,
41 when I sharpen My flashing sword,
and My hand takes hold of judgment,
I will take vengeance on My adversaries
and repay those who hate Me.
42 I will make My arrows drunk with blood
while My sword devours flesh—
the blood of the slain and the captives,
the heads of the enemy leaders.”

43 Rejoice, you nations, concerning His people,
for He will avenge the blood of His servants.
He will take vengeance on His adversaries;
He will purify His land and His people.

 Quoting: Salt


You are the second Christian on glp since I have been on glp. I have been on glp since 2000.
Now did you look that up, or did you know it already ? lol

Just kidding, no need to answer that one .... lol

My wife and I know it by heart, that is Deut. 32.

Deuteronomy 32:15 is one verse I use on people who do not know the Word but want to tell me what they think the Word means to them.
Amos 8:11 is one of the verse's I use quite a bit also.
My objective with all my Christian brothers and sisters is to get them motivated into learning the Word and even the deeper things.

That is why I asked you about "Hebraisms".

If you don't know any, would you like me to share to you one?
If you don't know about them, then some scripture will not make sense to you or you will get a different sense about the verse's thinking it means something that is does not.

Look the word up on the net if you do not know and that way you will know I'm not kidding or as the metaphor goes, "pulling your leg".
Notice I always say "blessings"?
I do it to show respect and love ! Some people don't like it.
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And what about the poor bastards who just so happened to be born in a geographic location that prevented them from ever even hearing about Jesus? Burn in hell? Fuck you pious cunts.
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Since you don't know this, I will tell you.

God knows everyones heart, good or bad. Eccl. 12: last verse.

There will be great teachings in the millennium, and you just might be one of them that will have to wait until then.

And if you disagree with what I just said, It is okay. Only the Lord can bring you into His arms. No Christian can do that.

Peace, and blessings
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i'm very familiar with it, but to be honest with you, i forgot which book it was in and had to look it up.

pretty sad for a seminary student, eh?

lol
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i'm very familiar with it, but to be honest with you, i forgot which book it was in and had to look it up.

pretty sad for a seminary student, eh?

lol
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I have not gone to any seminary at all.

I am a loner. lol

Here is a Hebraism.

This is pretty cool. The bible is laced with them and the bible confirms them all.

Go to Gen. 9:22. The second part of that verse is a Hebraism.

A Hebraism is a Hebrew expression that only comes from the Hebrew language and is not spoken by other languages.

Gen. 9:22. the second half " saw the nakedness of his father"

That part is a Hebraism.

I am not going to ask you what and where I can validate this with you sis because I know you are multitasking for glp sight.
So I am just going to tell you. Again I am going to use 1 Cor. 13:1 as the formula that the bible has to confirm the Word as to what "Saw thy fathers nakedness" mean.

Lev. 18:8 and my second witness is Lev. 20:11. ( Note: did you see how 2 Cor. 13:1 comes into play for this understanding of the Hebraism?) Pretty cool heh?

By the way this is the scripture I used on that pastor which I attended this summer a few times. I was hoping he would be open for others to help him.
Like many, they rule.. no matter what... Right or wrong, many pastors do not like to be told something to them in the Word. (The Holy Ghost) teaches them they say to me. lol

Now read both those scriptures slowly and see the Hebraism.

Again the bible is laced with them. So what did Gen. 9:22 that part reveal to you as a Christian?

blessings

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Well..
Then there is this...

Revelation 21:8


8 But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, they shall have their portion in the pool burning with fire and brimstone, which is the second death.

Revelation 20:15

15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life, was cast into the pool of fire.

Matthew 25:41

41 Then he shall say to them also that shall be on his left hand: Depart from me, you cursed, into everlasting fire which was prepared for the devil and his angels.


Matthew 10:28


28 And fear ye not them that kill the body, and are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him that can destroy both soul and body in hell.



Hell sounds a little less cheerful now does it?
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i'm very familiar with it, but to be honest with you, i forgot which book it was in and had to look it up.

pretty sad for a seminary student, eh?

lol
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I have not gone to any seminary at all.

I am a loner. lol

Here is a Hebraism.

This is pretty cool. The bible is laced with them and the bible confirms them all.

Go to Gen. 9:22. The second part of that verse is a Hebraism.

A Hebraism is a Hebrew expression that only comes from the Hebrew language and is not spoken by other languages.

Gen. 9:22. the second half " saw the nakedness of his father"

That part is a Hebraism.

I am not going to ask you what and where I can validate this with you sis because I know you are multitasking for glp sight.
So I am just going to tell you. Again I am going to use 1 Cor. 13:1 as the formula that the bible has to confirm the Word as to what "Saw thy fathers nakedness" mean.

Lev. 18:8 and my second witness is Lev. 20:11.

By the way this is the scripture I used on that pastor which I attended this summer a few times. I was hoping he would be open for others to help him.
Like many, they rule.. no matter what... Right or wrong, many pastors do not like to be told something to them in the Word. (The Holy Ghost) teaches them they say to me. lol

Now read both those scriptures slowly and see the Hebraism.

Again the bible is laced with them. So what did Gen. 9:22 that part reveal to you as a Christian?

blessings
 Quoting: Little Star


"Hebrew-isms" are the most beautiful thing about the OT (and the New).

their use of language and the culture are incredible.

i have to log off for a while. but, i will be back on tonight.

i will look up those passages then
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Well..
Then there is this...

Revelation 21:8


8 But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, they shall have their portion in the pool burning with fire and brimstone, which is the second death.

Revelation 20:15

15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life, was cast into the pool of fire.

Matthew 25:41

41 Then he shall say to them also that shall be on his left hand: Depart from me, you cursed, into everlasting fire which was prepared for the devil and his angels.


Matthew 10:28


28 And fear ye not them that kill the body, and are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him that can destroy both soul and body in hell.



Hell sounds a little less cheerful now does it?
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the ones not found in the book of life are demons, not humans.

the ones in revelation 21:8 will be in Hades, but will not be purified.
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And what about the poor bastards who just so happened to be born in a geographic location that prevented them from ever even hearing about Jesus? Burn in hell? Fuck you pious cunts.
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Your anger seems based on the traditions and teachings of men and not what is in the Word of God. It's understandable because the scenario you mention would upset anyone. Our creator is not the devil but many pulpits teach this very lesson and it is wrong. Satan wants you to believe that so you would not look further for the truth.

All who don't make the 1st resurrection will know and be shown the truth after the flesh is shed. During the millinium reign of Christ discipline will be taught. These very people who did not accept Christ in the flesh or could not stand against satan and fall away to him will then be tested again after that 1000 year period of teaching with Christ present. This is not a second chance as our Father knows that most have no chance to stand against satan and the current control systems of this world.

For now they, like us all, get to learn and experience starting from a zero point of innocence what it is like operating and living in a world without Gods will formost in our lives. This all becomes much more clear when we understand what happened long before the first soul was ever placed in a flesh body by God. He knows what He is doing and is complete control, but ultimately each souls (persons) choice is thier own.

We each are born here for a reason and it is not because someone ate an apple, and not for the sins of our forefathers.
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Well..
Then there is this...

Revelation 21:8


8 But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, they shall have their portion in the pool burning with fire and brimstone, which is the second death.

Revelation 20:15

15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life, was cast into the pool of fire.

Matthew 25:41

41 Then he shall say to them also that shall be on his left hand: Depart from me, you cursed, into everlasting fire which was prepared for the devil and his angels.


Matthew 10:28


28 And fear ye not them that kill the body, and are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him that can destroy both soul and body in hell.



Hell sounds a little less cheerful now does it?
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I am going to share something with you.....

Our bibles tells us how God is going to destroy the spiritual body at the end of the millennium. The flesh dies on earth and flesh and blood cannot go to paradise or heaven.

Psalms 37 all of it talks about the wicked. But pay close attention to Psalms 37:20.
Your spiritual body symbolically in that verse is called the "fat of lambs", the juices like cooking a steak.

No one is going to fry like a piece of bacon forever and forever. God is a LOVING GOD and and a merciful God and will not let any wicked burn forever and forever.

Best way I can get you to see this with your flesh mind is by saying this.
Ever have a night of sleep where you do not "dream" or know what is going around you at all. The world could be coming to an end all around you on nights like that.
Well that is Gods way of telling us what eternal death is all about or what will happen to your spiritual body.
You will not have thought, nor any spiritual body, or anything happen to you. You will be just gone.
And the worse thing about it is this. All family members that do come to the Lord will have eternal life. And God will wipe the memory about you from the minds of your family members that do have eternal life.
That is why God's Word says there will be no tears in heaven.

I know I will get some rebuttal from Christians most likely, but I just read Psalms 37:20 and it does tell us straight out.
Ever see juices from meat hitting the grill during a bbq ?
Well the smoke goes up and dissipates, gone forever.

Satan is spoken of in Eze. chapter 28. Many do not know that and in verse 9 he is called a man, like all angels that come to earth except arch angels.
We see Satan being spoken of in Eze. 28:13 being in the garden of Eden, and in the next verse we see him as a cherub. (V. 14.)

Then we see in v. 18 Satan being destroyed completely at the end of Judgement day. He is the first to go by the way.
That is my second witness as to what happens to the wicked in their spiritual bodies.

blessings
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i'm very familiar with it, but to be honest with you, i forgot which book it was in and had to look it up.

pretty sad for a seminary student, eh?

lol
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I have not gone to any seminary at all.

I am a loner. lol

Here is a Hebraism.

This is pretty cool. The bible is laced with them and the bible confirms them all.

Go to Gen. 9:22. The second part of that verse is a Hebraism.

A Hebraism is a Hebrew expression that only comes from the Hebrew language and is not spoken by other languages.

Gen. 9:22. the second half " saw the nakedness of his father"

That part is a Hebraism.

I am not going to ask you what and where I can validate this with you sis because I know you are multitasking for glp sight.
So I am just going to tell you. Again I am going to use 1 Cor. 13:1 as the formula that the bible has to confirm the Word as to what "Saw thy fathers nakedness" mean.

Lev. 18:8 and my second witness is Lev. 20:11.

By the way this is the scripture I used on that pastor which I attended this summer a few times. I was hoping he would be open for others to help him.
Like many, they rule.. no matter what... Right or wrong, many pastors do not like to be told something to them in the Word. (The Holy Ghost) teaches them they say to me. lol

Now read both those scriptures slowly and see the Hebraism.

Again the bible is laced with them. So what did Gen. 9:22 that part reveal to you as a Christian?

blessings
 Quoting: Little Star


"Hebrew-isms" are the most beautiful thing about the OT (and the New).

their use of language and the culture are incredible.

i have to log off for a while. but, i will be back on tonight.

i will look up those passages then
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Well thanks for the chat. I hope that in some small way I have helped you and others see that there is greater things in the Word!
God bless you!

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And what about the poor bastards who just so happened to be born in a geographic location that prevented them from ever even hearing about Jesus? Burn in hell? Fuck you pious cunts.
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Your anger seems based on the traditions and teachings of men and not what is in the Word of God. It's understandable because the scenario you mention would upset anyone. Our creator is not the devil but many pulpits teach this very lesson and it is wrong. Satan wants you to believe that so you would not look further for the truth.

All who don't make the 1st resurrection will know and be shown the truth after the flesh is shed. During the millinium reign of Christ discipline will be taught. These very people who did not accept Christ in the flesh or could not stand against satan and fall away to him will then be tested again after that 1000 year period of teaching with Christ present. This is not a second chance as our Father knows that most have no chance to stand against satan and the current control systems of this world.

For now they, like us all, get to learn and experience starting from a zero point of innocence what it is like operating and living in a world without Gods will formost in our lives. This all becomes much more clear when we understand what happened long before the first soul was ever placed in a flesh body by God. He knows what He is doing and is complete control, but ultimately each souls (persons) choice is thier own.

We each are born here for a reason and it is not because someone ate an apple, and not for the sins of our forefathers.
 Quoting: Brogan


Hey are you at work? lol

You sure have come a long way in a short period of time.

It sure helps when you have a good teacher, you know who I mean....

Blessings to you and your family!
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Hey are you at work? lol

You sure have come a long way in a short period of time.

It sure helps when you have a good teacher, you know who I mean....

Blessings to you and your family!
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The money they hand out at work ain't gonna buy me any duds to wear in heaven. These people are being starved for the Truth, and I'll share what has been shown to me. That said, only God can let them see, and in His own time. Some may need more time to spin the wheels. Me, I am done flogging myself with this world and welcome the daily rest with open arms.

Blessings back at ya!
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I love Hell unconditionally
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actually, it's a place of purification, so at the end of the day, we should.
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Did I clappa you and this thread yet? Doesn't matter. If I did, it deserves another.

So few people bother to go through the Greek and Aramaic and correlate the texts.

clappa
Tell me what this tastes like...
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well i finally got you that 5 -LOL maybe i was out of stars LOL
Stickyfoot,i think i stepped in something
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I love Hell unconditionally
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actually, it's a place of purification, so at the end of the day, we should.
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Did I clappa you and this thread yet? Doesn't matter. If I did, it deserves another.

So few people bother to go through the Greek and Aramaic and correlate the texts.

clappa
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amen, brother


...and thanks
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well i finally got you that 5 -LOL maybe i was out of stars LOL
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totally rad.

thanks!
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ok, so while in the car today, heard a radio talk show that discussed Hades being a portal.

i don't think it is a portal as much as it is a temporary holding place that's in between here and heaven
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Hey are you at work? lol

You sure have come a long way in a short period of time.

It sure helps when you have a good teacher, you know who I mean....

Blessings to you and your family!
 Quoting: Little Star


The money they hand out at work ain't gonna buy me any duds to wear in heaven. These people are being starved for the Truth, and I'll share what has been shown to me. That said, only God can let them see, and in His own time. Some may need more time to spin the wheels. Me, I am done flogging myself with this world and welcome the daily rest with open arms.

Blessings back at ya!
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This is for you Brogan if you log on today.

I hear what you are saying. Many are going to be astounded when events begin to fall into place. Many will be confused as to what is going on in this world.

You know as well as I do that traditions of many church systems make void the Word of God. And what is so hard is that no matter how hard we try as we may, God is in control. Only He can open eyes and hearts to get them to dig deeper into the Word.

It is really unbelievable to see all the talks about the Word and see see so many interpretations as to what is what.

We know there is only ONE GOD, One Holy Spirit, One Lord that saves, and ONE truth which is not our minds truth; meaning we are not to interpret but Gods truth does it for us without our personal input.

We have a destiny and a purpose and we will stand for the truth of Gods Word.

Blessings bro and I thank God that we met and can rejoice in knowing Christ saved us from not only our sins, but from the deceptions going on in the world today.
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ok, so while in the car today, heard a radio talk show that discussed Hades being a portal.

i don't think it is a portal as much as it is a temporary holding place that's in between here and heaven
 Quoting: Salt


Good morning Salt and many blessings sent to you.

I hope your day goes well and that you meet a new true friend in your life today.
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Well..
Then there is this...

Revelation 21:8


8 But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, they shall have their portion in the pool burning with fire and brimstone, which is the second death.

Revelation 20:15

15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life, was cast into the pool of fire.

Matthew 25:41

41 Then he shall say to them also that shall be on his left hand: Depart from me, you cursed, into everlasting fire which was prepared for the devil and his angels.


Matthew 10:28


28 And fear ye not them that kill the body, and are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him that can destroy both soul and body in hell.



Hell sounds a little less cheerful now does it?
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the ones not found in the book of life are demons, not humans.

the ones in revelation 21:8 will be in Hades, but will not be purified.
 Quoting: Salt


Total crap! How can you say such things? How can you live with yourself? It is a given that the demons will be thrown into the Lake of Fire.


Universalism is total crap which contradicts the Bible and these verses expose it's lies.

Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat. Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it. Matthew 7:13-14
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[link to www.savior-of-all.com]

The Lake of Fire is very real and the wicked,rebellious, and faithless will be cast into it if they do not repent dying the second death, total annihilation.

But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death. Revelation 21:8
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that fire is in the presence of God.
 Quoting: Salt


Treacherous false teachings. You are on a very dangerous path and you will deceive many with this treachery. Do they teach these things at seminary? No wonder God told us to come out of her. Nothing but filthy satanic lies!

Also, a warning from Yeshua.


“For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book: And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and [from] the things which are written in this book,” Revelation 22:18, 19.


You are taking away from the book of Revelation.
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Yeshua talked and warned of the Lake of Fire more than he did of Heaven. Why would he warn people if the Lake of Fire was simply a purification. I am totally shocked at this thread OP and I am sure God the Father is greatly disappointed in you. I thought you were wiser than this.
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(Deu 7:9-10) "Therefore know that the LORD your God, He is God, the faithful God who keeps covenant and mercy for a thousand generations with those who love Him and keep His commandments and He repays those who hate Him to their face, to destroy them. He will not be slack with him who hates Him; He will repay him to his face.

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