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The Truth about Hell - but the mainstream fundies can't accept it. and maybe you can't either

 
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I am totally disgusted with this thread. What outrage!
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The blind leading the blind.
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Be wary, many wolves have entered the flock.

But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction. 2 Peter 2:1
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Well..
Then there is this...

Revelation 21:8


8 But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, they shall have their portion in the pool burning with fire and brimstone, which is the second death.

Revelation 20:15

15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life, was cast into the pool of fire.

Matthew 25:41

41 Then he shall say to them also that shall be on his left hand: Depart from me, you cursed, into everlasting fire which was prepared for the devil and his angels.


Matthew 10:28


28 And fear ye not them that kill the body, and are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him that can destroy both soul and body in hell.



Hell sounds a little less cheerful now does it?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 2530461


the ones not found in the book of life are demons, not humans.

the ones in revelation 21:8 will be in Hades, but will not be purified.
 Quoting: Salt


Total crap! How can you say such things? How can you live with yourself? It is a given that the demons will be thrown into the Lake of Fire.


Universalism is total crap which contradicts the Bible and these verses expose it's lies.

Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat. Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it. Matthew 7:13-14
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 28100552


you are not ready to accept it. and that's ok. we've all been taught otherwise. it has become part of our core belief set.

God desires to reconcile ALL people.
The plan for that is set in motion.

It's a hard teaching.
But, when you finally realize it, the love message reigns, and the fear agenda simple dissolves into the abyss.

“And he shall send Jesus Christ, which before was preached unto you: Whom the heaven must receive until the times of the restitution of all things, which God hath spoken by the mouth of all his holy prophets since the world began.” (Acts 3:20-21)
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ok, so while in the car today, heard a radio talk show that discussed Hades being a portal.

i don't think it is a portal as much as it is a temporary holding place that's in between here and heaven
 Quoting: Salt


Good morning Salt and many blessings sent to you.

I hope your day goes well and that you meet a new true friend in your life today.
 Quoting: Little Star


good morning to you and thank you. i think i have some time this morning to look up that verse in Corinthians. would you be so kind as to refresh my memory to which verse it was?
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(Deu 7:9-10) "Therefore know that the LORD your God, He is God, the faithful God who keeps covenant and mercy for a thousand generations with those who love Him and keep His commandments and He repays those who hate Him to their face, to destroy them. He will not be slack with him who hates Him; He will repay him to his face.

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yep, and that is for those souls who hate God up to judgment day and beyond.

for those, it will be eternal separation (which is the suffering that is unbearable)
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(Deu 7:9-10) "Therefore know that the LORD your God, He is God, the faithful God who keeps covenant and mercy for a thousand generations with those who love Him and keep His commandments and He repays those who hate Him to their face, to destroy them. He will not be slack with him who hates Him; He will repay him to his face.

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yep, and that is for those souls who hate God up to judgment day and beyond.

for those, it will be eternal separation (which is the suffering that is unbearable)
 Quoting: Salt


thanks for the nasty red karma, btw.

here's a reminder:

"In your anger do not sin": Do not let the sun go down while you are still angry, and do not give the devil a foothold." (Eph 4:26-27)
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ok, so while in the car today, heard a radio talk show that discussed Hades being a portal.

i don't think it is a portal as much as it is a temporary holding place that's in between here and heaven
 Quoting: Salt


Good morning Salt and many blessings sent to you.

I hope your day goes well and that you meet a new true friend in your life today.
 Quoting: Little Star


good morning to you and thank you. i think i have some time this morning to look up that verse in Corinthians. would you be so kind as to refresh my memory to which verse it was?
 Quoting: Salt


the formula for rightly dividing the Word is found in 2 Cor. 13:1

Most verse's in the bible has a sister verse and many times 3 or more. Not to say that it ends in just 3, but sometimes even more than that.

Also sis, did you look up Gen. 9:22 that Hebraism ?
Lev. 18:2 and 20:11 validate what the Hebraism is in Gen. 9:22.

What is so cool about this is that even tho the KJV bible is written in Old English, the Hebraisms still come forth.

Many Christians do not know about this and see each word in the bible as they are written as 100% right.

Not so!
Like Unicorn. It is not in the original writings , yet we see it written five times in the bible. (should be wild ox).

The reason I am taking the time with you on this is because many Christians battle one and another without really understanding why there is confusion.

Look up the word "Sottish" which you will find in the old testie.
Why, if the old testie is original written in Hebrew , Aramaic and etc. is the word "Sottish" written.

That is the thumb print of one of the translators is why.
I can see his thumb print all through the bible and his part from the others because I picked up on his style.

Jer. 4:22
So as you will discover that word Sottish is a Celtic word.
Now I am not the best English grammar type of a person, but even I picked up on this one. lol

Sottish means "my children are a little bit stupid."
blessings
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Well..
Then there is this...

Revelation 21:8


8 But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, they shall have their portion in the pool burning with fire and brimstone, which is the second death.

Revelation 20:15

15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life, was cast into the pool of fire.

Matthew 25:41

41 Then he shall say to them also that shall be on his left hand: Depart from me, you cursed, into everlasting fire which was prepared for the devil and his angels.


Matthew 10:28


28 And fear ye not them that kill the body, and are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him that can destroy both soul and body in hell.



Hell sounds a little less cheerful now does it?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 2530461


the ones not found in the book of life are demons, not humans.

the ones in revelation 21:8 will be in Hades, but will not be purified.
 Quoting: Salt


Total crap! How can you say such things? How can you live with yourself? It is a given that the demons will be thrown into the Lake of Fire.


Universalism is total crap which contradicts the Bible and these verses expose it's lies.

Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat. Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it. Matthew 7:13-14
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“For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Saviour; Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth. For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus; Who gave himself a ransom for all, to be testified in due time.” (1 Timothy 2:3-6)
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ok, so while in the car today, heard a radio talk show that discussed Hades being a portal.

i don't think it is a portal as much as it is a temporary holding place that's in between here and heaven
 Quoting: Salt


Good morning Salt and many blessings sent to you.

I hope your day goes well and that you meet a new true friend in your life today.
 Quoting: Little Star


good morning to you and thank you. i think i have some time this morning to look up that verse in Corinthians. would you be so kind as to refresh my memory to which verse it was?
 Quoting: Salt


the formula for rightly dividing the Word is found in 2 Cor. 13:1



 Quoting: Little Star


2 corinthians 13:1 is not about rightly dividing the word.

not sure what you are getting at with that.

can you explain?
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Good morning Salt and many blessings sent to you.

I hope your day goes well and that you meet a new true friend in your life today.
 Quoting: Little Star


good morning to you and thank you. i think i have some time this morning to look up that verse in Corinthians. would you be so kind as to refresh my memory to which verse it was?
 Quoting: Salt


the formula for rightly dividing the Word is found in 2 Cor. 13:1



 Quoting: Little Star


2 corinthians 13:1 is not about rightly dividing the word.

not sure what you are getting at with that.

can you explain?
 Quoting: Salt


Little Star may better present this to you..

But what is Christ's new name?

Considering that now read the verse again with a deeper level of understanding. Verses can take on one meaning for lambs and deeper meanings for sheep.

If that is not enough try it on to see where the Word of God witnesses and establishes wisdom or teachings. Mathew 24, Mark 13, and Luke 21 are full of easy examples to see this witnessing in action but there are many other places where the Word establishes truth in this manner throughout the little book. Even New Testament to Old and vice versa.

This one you get to try before you buy. :)
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good morning to you and thank you. i think i have some time this morning to look up that verse in Corinthians. would you be so kind as to refresh my memory to which verse it was?
 Quoting: Salt


the formula for rightly dividing the Word is found in 2 Cor. 13:1



 Quoting: Little Star


2 corinthians 13:1 is not about rightly dividing the word.

not sure what you are getting at with that.

can you explain?
 Quoting: Salt


Little Star may better present this to you..

But what is Christ's new name?

Considering that now read the verse again with a deeper level of understanding. Verses can take on one meaning for lambs and deeper meanings for sheep.

If that is not enough try it on to see where the Word of God witnesses and establishes wisdom or teachings. Mathew 24, Mark 13, and Luke 21 are full of easy examples to see this witnessing in action but there are many other places where the Word establishes truth in this manner throughout the little book. Even New Testament to Old and vice versa.

This one you get to try before you buy. :)
 Quoting: Brogan


Good choice on the question. This will make it more easily to Show Salt what 2 Cor. 13:1 truly means.
I did tell her simply, but as you know Brogan it needs to be explained with an example.
So your question to Salt is the perfect question to validate 2 Cor. 13:1 to prove that I did share truth.

But I want Salt to answer your question if she wants to try to answer it.

NOTE: Again my sister in Christ I am a teacher of the deeper things and my objective is to present things and while I do that, I ask the Lord to open up your eyes to this truth that I am sharing.

So Salt I will wait on you. I know you are multitasking and will wait for a response before I proceed.

blessings
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I will be waiting Salt. See Brogans last posting question.

Then look at mine afterwards.

blessings
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Well..
Then there is this...

Revelation 21:8


8 But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, they shall have their portion in the pool burning with fire and brimstone, which is the second death.

Revelation 20:15

15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life, was cast into the pool of fire.

Matthew 25:41

41 Then he shall say to them also that shall be on his left hand: Depart from me, you cursed, into everlasting fire which was prepared for the devil and his angels.


Matthew 10:28


28 And fear ye not them that kill the body, and are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him that can destroy both soul and body in hell.



Hell sounds a little less cheerful now does it?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 2530461


the ones not found in the book of life are demons, not humans.

the ones in revelation 21:8 will be in Hades, but will not be purified.
 Quoting: Salt


Total crap! How can you say such things? How can you live with yourself? It is a given that the demons will be thrown into the Lake of Fire.


Universalism is total crap which contradicts the Bible and these verses expose it's lies.

Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat. Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it. Matthew 7:13-14
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 28100552


you are not ready to accept it. and that's ok. we've all been taught otherwise. it has become part of our core belief set.

God desires to reconcile ALL people.
The plan for that is set in motion.

It's a hard teaching.
But, when you finally realize it, the love message reigns, and the fear agenda simple dissolves into the abyss.

“And he shall send Jesus Christ, which before was preached unto you: Whom the heaven must receive until the times of the restitution of all things, which God hath spoken by the mouth of all his holy prophets since the world began.” (Acts 3:20-21)
 Quoting: Salt


No I will never be ready to accept that and will always reject it like I have done here since it contradicts the word of God.

Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat. Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it. Matthew 7:13-14

I find it startling how some people can twist the word of God to suit their own agenda's. My conscience would not allow it. It is glaringly obvious how universalism contradicts the word of God and your reply's to my posts have me dumbfounded at how you can reinterpret the literal obvious.
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Well..
Then there is this...

Revelation 21:8


8 But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, they shall have their portion in the pool burning with fire and brimstone, which is the second death.

Revelation 20:15

15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life, was cast into the pool of fire.

Matthew 25:41

41 Then he shall say to them also that shall be on his left hand: Depart from me, you cursed, into everlasting fire which was prepared for the devil and his angels.


Matthew 10:28


28 And fear ye not them that kill the body, and are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him that can destroy both soul and body in hell.



Hell sounds a little less cheerful now does it?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 2530461


the ones not found in the book of life are demons, not humans.

the ones in revelation 21:8 will be in Hades, but will not be purified.
 Quoting: Salt


Total crap! How can you say such things? How can you live with yourself? It is a given that the demons will be thrown into the Lake of Fire.


Universalism is total crap which contradicts the Bible and these verses expose it's lies.

Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat. Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it. Matthew 7:13-14
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you are not ready to accept it. and that's ok. we've all been taught otherwise. it has become part of our core belief set.

God desires to reconcile ALL people.
The plan for that is set in motion.

It's a hard teaching.
But, when you finally realize it, the love message reigns, and the fear agenda simple dissolves into the abyss.

“And he shall send Jesus Christ, which before was preached unto you: Whom the heaven must receive until the times of the restitution of all things, which God hath spoken by the mouth of all his holy prophets since the world began.” (Acts 3:20-21)
 Quoting: Salt


Please post chapter and verse for that.

Are you speaking of this? Because that does not mention what you said.

2 Peter 3:9

King James Version (KJV)

9 The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.

And the fear agenda? I suppose Yeshua too had a fear agenda.

John 15:6-8

King James Version (KJV)

6 If a man abide not in me, he is cast forth as a branch, and is withered; and men gather them, and cast them into the fire, and they are burned.

7 If ye abide in me, and my words abide in you, ye shall ask what ye will, and it shall be done unto you.

8 Herein is my Father glorified, that ye bear much fruit; so shall ye be my disciples.

How about this?

"But, when you finally realize it, the love message reigns, and the fear agenda simple dissolves into the abyss."

So then because thou art lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will spue thee out of my mouth. Revelation 3:16


“And he shall send Jesus Christ, which before was preached unto you: Whom the heaven must receive until the times of the restitution of all things, which God hath spoken by the mouth of all his holy prophets since the world began.”

You are taking that verse out of context.

"which God hath spoken by the mouth of all his holy prophets since the world began"

All the Prophets spoke of the Judgement of the wicked and rebellious as will the two witnesses.

This is what in effect you are doing. You are 'prophesying' smooth things and deceits. You are just like the false Prophets of old.

Isa 30:9 That this is a rebellious people, lying children, children that will not hear the law of the LORD:
Isa 30:10 Which say to the seers, See not; and to the prophets, Prophesy not unto us right things, speak unto us smooth things, prophesy deceits:
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Well..
Then there is this...

Revelation 21:8


8 But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, they shall have their portion in the pool burning with fire and brimstone, which is the second death.

Revelation 20:15

15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life, was cast into the pool of fire.

Matthew 25:41

41 Then he shall say to them also that shall be on his left hand: Depart from me, you cursed, into everlasting fire which was prepared for the devil and his angels.


Matthew 10:28


28 And fear ye not them that kill the body, and are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him that can destroy both soul and body in hell.



Hell sounds a little less cheerful now does it?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 2530461


the ones not found in the book of life are demons, not humans.

the ones in revelation 21:8 will be in Hades, but will not be purified.
 Quoting: Salt


Total crap! How can you say such things? How can you live with yourself? It is a given that the demons will be thrown into the Lake of Fire.


Universalism is total crap which contradicts the Bible and these verses expose it's lies.

Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat. Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it. Matthew 7:13-14
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“For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Saviour; Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth. For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus; Who gave himself a ransom for all, to be testified in due time.” (1 Timothy 2:3-6)
 Quoting: Salt


Who was he that you elevate his words over the words of the Messiah himself and the real Apostles, which he was not one of the 12, therefore had zero Authority to speak on such matters and never even met Yeshua. That snake was a false Prophet, may he burn in hell.


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the ones not found in the book of life are demons, not humans.

the ones in revelation 21:8 will be in Hades, but will not be purified.
 Quoting: Salt


Total crap! How can you say such things? How can you live with yourself? It is a given that the demons will be thrown into the Lake of Fire.


Universalism is total crap which contradicts the Bible and these verses expose it's lies.

Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat. Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it. Matthew 7:13-14
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“For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Saviour; Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth. For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus; Who gave himself a ransom for all, to be testified in due time.” (1 Timothy 2:3-6)
 Quoting: Salt


Who was he that you elevate his words over the words of the Messiah himself and the real Apostles, which he was not one of the 12, therefore had zero Authority to speak on such matters and never even met Yeshua. That snake was a false Prophet, may he burn in hell.


[link to www.jesuswordsonly.com]

3 [link to www.judaismvschristianity.com]
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Even the Catholic Church admitted to only adding him to the Canon because his writings were edifying.

I know thy works, and thy labour, and thy patience, and how thou canst not bear them which are evil: and thou hast tried them which say they are apostles, and are not, and hast found them liars. Revelation 2:2
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But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death. Revelation 21:8

Fire and brimstone, the same stuff that God threw down on Sodom and Gomorrah as Judgement for their wickedness.

The second death.

Does death mean life in your opinion?

For the living know that they shall die: but the dead know not any thing, neither have they any more a reward; for the memory of them is forgotten. Ecclesiastes 9:5


They're memory is forgotten.
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Is it fair that the Bible says people can get into heaven by simply believing in Jesus, when there might be some far better people around who might go to hell simply because they didn't believe in him?

This question derives from a misunderstanding. When Jesus said that anyone who believes in him will have eternal life, the implication of his word believe has been lost in many Bible translations; it actually had the connetation of not only believing, but also obeying. The jewish people would have understood that actions would automatically follow from true faith, and it wouldn't be true faith without them. (Though the true meaning of the word believe has been lost in many translations, the principle is spelled out in so many New Testament verses that it doesn't matter.)

From an article called The Law and the Christian from the Tektonics.org website:

"... And now we plagiarize our own work again to explain our meaning, The Semitic Totality Concept means that "a man's thoughts form one totality with their results in action so that 'thoughts' that result in no action are 'vain'." [Dahl, Resurrection of the Body, 60] To put it another way, man does not have a body; man is a body, and what we regard as constituent elements of spirit and body were looked upon by the Hebrews as a fundamental unity. Applied to the role of works following faith, this means that there can be no decision without corresponding action, for the total person will inevitably reflect a choice that is made. ...

Thus, what we would consider separate actions of conversion, confession, and obedience in the form of works would be considered by the Hebrews to be an act in totality. "Both the act and the meaning of the act mattered -- the two formed for the first Christians an indivisible unity." [Flemington, New Testament Doctrine of Baptism, 111] ..."

From an article called Why Didn't God Stop the Process Before it Started, if He Knew of the Massive Amounts of Suffering That Would Befall Many of His Creatures?? by Glenn Miller:

"... 1. The first 'long-term judgment' verse in the Bible:

“And many of those who sleep in the dust of the ground will awake, these to everlasting life, but the others to disgrace and everlasting contempt. (Dan 12.2)

This is the first verse in the bible that refers to post-death, post-resurrection, long-term effects of this life, for those who actively reject God’s goodness. Notice that the 'quality of life' is described as 'disgrace' and 'contempt'--hardly mind-numbing torture terms! If the hell-experience had been understood as the intense suffering commonly attributed to it, then this verse has focused on very minor aspects of that--to the point of being misleading perhaps.

2. The "weeping and gnashing of teeth" passages: ...

As the weeds are pulled up and burned in the fire, so it will be at the end of the age. 41 The Son of Man will send out his angels, and they will weed out of his kingdom everything that causes sin and all who do evil. 42 They will throw them into the fiery furnace, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth. (matt 13.40)

Once again, the kingdom of heaven is like a net that was let down into the lake and caught all kinds of fish. 48 When it was full, the fishermen pulled it up on the shore. Then they sat down and collected the good fish in baskets, but threw the bad away. 49 This is how it will be at the end of the age. The angels will come and separate the wicked from the righteous 50 and throw them into the fiery furnace, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth. (Matt 13.47) ...

But suppose that servant is wicked and says to himself, ‘My master is staying away a long time,’ 49 and he then begins to beat his fellow servants and to eat and drink with drunkards. 50 The master of that servant will come on a day when he does not expect him and at an hour he is not aware of. 51 He will cut him to pieces and assign him a place with the hypocrites, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth. (matt 24.48ff) ...

There will be weeping there, and gnashing of teeth, when you see Abraham, Isaac and Jacob and all the prophets in the kingdom of God, but you yourselves thrown out. 29 People will come from east and west and north and south, and will take their places at the feast in the kingdom of God. (Luke 13.28ff)


The discomfort described here is weeping/sorrow, NOT screaming/pain--contrary to most of the popular images of hell used for this question.

Notice that a few of these passages have the 'darkness' and 'fire' images, but the effects are cast in terms of sorrow ('weeping') and anguish/regret/anger ('gnashing of teeth', cf. Acts 7.54, Ps 37.12). Notice especially that in the Lucan passage the weeping occurs "when they see" their own exclusion--it is due to the separation issue, not some torture or pain. ...

Hell is thought by many to be eternal. But an examination of the original Greek words apparently sheds a new light on it, and according to some, it turns out that hell is a process of punishment meant to refine and correct faults, to bring people to feel sorrow for their past behaviour so they sincerely seek forgiveness and wish to change their ways, at which point, they can be allowed into heaven.

From an article called Is It All GREEK to You? by brad edwards:

"... While on the topic of "FIRE," let's consider another strong passage from Revelation.

REV 14:10"...he will be tormented with burning SULFUR in the PRESENCE of the holy angels and the Lamb"

In this verse we see the word "SULFUR" used for "tormenting" (punishing) those who follow the Beast. Also note that this is done in the PRESENCE of Jesus and not in some subterranean fire pit away from God. It is this PRESENSE of our holy God that causes their pain to be sure. So what is SULFUR? Well, in some Bibles it is translated "brimstone," but the Greek word here is "THEION" which can also be translated DIVINE as in something from God. Places that lightning touched were called "theia" and left a sulfurous smell. Also sulfur was used in purification ceremonies in that day by some outside of Judea. The real key here is that THEION is derived from THEOS which is GOD! Yes, THEOS is God in Greek and the word THEION comes directly from this Source.

Consider this passage from Acts:

Act 17:29 "Being then the children of God, we ought not to think that the DIVINE Nature is like gold or silver or stone, an image formed by the art and thought of man."

The word translated here DIVINE is THEION which has been translated sulfur in other passages like in Revelation. The lake of Fire has a direct connection to the Divine because it comes from God. Not only is this a Divine Fire, but it is one that PURIFIES whatever it comes in contact with. Are we to suppose that our God and Father has no purpose in this Fire that torments those He created in His image and likeness? All that God does has purpose, we simply can't comprehend it yet. ...

The next word to look at is "AION" and its derivatives- "AIONION" and "AIONIOS." That ugly doctrine of "eternal" hell greatly depends on this word meaning forever. ...

There are many passages I could cite showing that AION or OLAM doesn't mean forever, but concerning an AGE or AGE-LASTING.
The many derivatives of AION are relating to an age or of the ages. Aionios is rendered "age-lasting" in better translations. The corrective punishment God uses is only for as long as it takes to bring godly sorrow and repentance. Many literal translations of the Bible have corrected this mistake as to bring back loving harmony to God's word as you will read later in this study. To reiterate, aion means an age- a limited period of time and NOT eternal, forever nor forever and ever. ...

The word for punishment here is "KOLASIS." The meaning is to punish, but for CORRECTIVE purposes and not out of vengeance. God is correcting those nations on His left with "aionion kolasis" which is translated this way in these Bibles:

"And these shall go away into age-abiding CORRECTION" -Rotherham's Emphasized Bible ..."

From an article called Honor and Pain - A Refocus on the Atonement and Eternal Punishment from the Tektonics.org website:

"... The 'logic' of hell in the bible is surprisingly simple: You receive back the treatment/effects you gave other agents (including God and yourself) with some kind of multiplier effect. [The bible is full of images of this reciprocity concept: reaping what you sow, being paid back, suffering loss as you had despoiled others, unkindness for unkindness shown, apathy for apathy rendered, 'eye for an eye', proportional judgement, etc] This is suited as well to what we have said of honor debts and shame as a response. You dishonor God; you receive dishonor in return. Appropriately your required response is to acknowledge your own need -- in effect, giving up your "honor" -- by admitting that you need God's help to pay the debt. ..."

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salt, one you can read the more mature materials given you would not have made this post. get thee some walter russell to start with. this is all bs. all of it.

You have no concept of the creation at all. There was a book given to awaken star seeds to their I AM THAT I AM, and you won't read the thing. You are in shell shock perhaps? Man's books of olden times and of current times tend to suck big time. the multiplies effect comes from the law of giving and regiving that is everywhere present in natures god. You need to understand that those olden people believed in hell and did not know better, but it is not what you postulate here. They believed in a evil god that punished people. period.

And the ones who are mind controlled also mean it when they say hell exists. There is not logic in it, superstitious people believed it, period. and still do. It comes from them not understanding nature and subscribing it to being demonic in many cases. And there also the demonic, most of the thought forms people think which are trapped within the mass of earth. and occassionally surface. They do not know their own thoughts are their own demons in a way.

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The actual Lord's Prayer Given by Jesus 2000 years ago.

"MY SPIRIT, YOU ARE OMNIPOTENT. YOUR NAME IS HOLY. MAY YOUR REALM BE INCARNATE IN ME. MAY YOUR POWER REVEAL ITSELF WITHIN ME, ON EARTH AND IN THE HEAVEN. GIVE ME TODAY MY DAILY BREAD, AND THUS, LET ME RECOGNIZE MY TRANSGRESSIONS AND ERRORS, AND I SHALL RECOGNIZE THE TRUTH. AND DO NOT LEAD ME INTO TEMPTATION AND CONFUSION, BUT DELIVER ME FROM ERROR. FOR YOURS IS THE REALM WITHIN ME AND THE POWER AND THE KNOWLEDGE FOREVER,
AMEN.

Nice video: [link to www.youtube.com] Make this World a Better One

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the ones not found in the book of life are demons, not humans.

the ones in revelation 21:8 will be in Hades, but will not be purified.
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Total crap! How can you say such things? How can you live with yourself? It is a given that the demons will be thrown into the Lake of Fire.


Universalism is total crap which contradicts the Bible and these verses expose it's lies.

Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat. Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it. Matthew 7:13-14
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you are not ready to accept it. and that's ok. we've all been taught otherwise. it has become part of our core belief set.

God desires to reconcile ALL people.
The plan for that is set in motion.

It's a hard teaching.
But, when you finally realize it, the love message reigns, and the fear agenda simple dissolves into the abyss.

“And he shall send Jesus Christ, which before was preached unto you: Whom the heaven must receive until the times of the restitution of all things, which God hath spoken by the mouth of all his holy prophets since the world began.” (Acts 3:20-21)
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No I will never be ready to accept that and will always reject it like I have done here since it contradicts the word of God.

Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat. Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it. Matthew 7:13-14

I find it startling how some people can twist the word of God to suit their own agenda's. My conscience would not allow it. It is glaringly obvious how universalism contradicts the word of God and your reply's to my posts have me dumbfounded at how you can reinterpret the literal obvious.
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The Reconciliation of ALL Things

Is there any idea that more thoroughly blackens the Name of God and His character than that which attributes all power and grace to Him, yet declares He consigns much of His creation to torment without end? To state that it is purely a gift of grace that brings salvation, yet believe that God desires to not only withhold that gift from those to whom He could equally bestow it, but also chooses to torture them for so long that a million years is only the beginning, is this not dementedly devilish? To think that an Omnipotent Creator and Ruler could bring into existence creatures knowing, much less planning such a fate, is to attribute an insensitivity and cruelty to Him that is unimaginable. For men it is imaginable because, after all, they concoct this idea. Therefore it is not only imaginable but documented.

The idea of annihilation is certainly more palatable an end, but not much better in giving of glory to God. Jesus said that "God sent not His Son into the world to condemn the world, but that the world through Him might be saved" (John 3:17). As we have all heard, "For God so loved the world..." How successful a love and salvation is annihilation (is that what you desire for your loved ones?) from Him Who is declared the Giver and Sustainer of all things and life itself? The resurrected Lord declares that He has the keys to hell and death (Rev. 1:18). How then are they accorded more power than Him?

And what does His Word say?

"All nations that You have made shall come and worship before You, O Lord, and shall glorify your Name" (Psalm 86:9).

"For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whosoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life. For God sent not His Son into the world to condemn the world, but that the world through Him might be saved" (John 3:16-17).

"And we have seen and do testify that the Father sent the Son to be the Savior of the world" (I John 4:14).

"The Lord is not slack concerning His promise, as some men count slackness, but is longsuffering toward us, not willing that any should perish but that all should come to repentance" (II Peter 3:9).

"All the ends of the world shall remember and turn unto the Lord, and all the kindreds of the nations shall worship before You" (Psalm 22:27).

"...having made known to us the mystery of His will, according to His good pleasure which He has purposed in Himself, that in the dispensation of the fulness of times He might gather together in one all things in Christ, both which are in heaven and which are on earth, even in Him" (Ephesians 1:9- 10).

"...Who will have all men to be saved and to come to a knowledge of the truth... Who gave Himself a ransom for all, to be testified in due time" (I Timothy 2:4,6).

"...that at the Name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth, and that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father" (Philippians 2:10-11).

Herein are not only the intentions of God clearly stated, He also gives them as a matter of fact. Now, do you believe that men who are weeping and gnashing their teeth will be confessing Jesus Christ as Lord, to the glory of God? A cosmic arm-twisting to elicit an "uncle" through clenched teeth? No way. The Scriptures, inspired by the Spirit of God, say, "Whosoever shall confess that Jesus is the Son of God (Lord), God dwells in him, and he in God" (I John 4:15). And again, "That if you shall confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus, and shall believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead, you shall be saved" (Romans 10:9).


"And they shall teach no more every man his neighbor, and every man his brother, saying, 'Know the Lord,' for they shall all know Me, from the least of them to the greatest of them, says the Lord. For I will forgive their iniquity and I will remember their sin no more" (Jeremiah 31:34)

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But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death. Revelation 21:8

Fire and brimstone, the same stuff that God threw down on Sodom and Gomorrah as Judgement for their wickedness.

The second death.

Does death mean life in your opinion?

For the living know that they shall die: but the dead know not any thing, neither have they any more a reward; for the memory of them is forgotten. Ecclesiastes 9:5


They're memory is forgotten.
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please don't confuse my words.
some will die the second death. they will.


but, i suspect it will be a small population.
the demons however, make up the bulk of that population.
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Yeshua talked and warned of the Lake of Fire more than he did of Heaven. Why would he warn people if the Lake of Fire was simply a purification. I am totally shocked at this thread OP and I am sure God the Father is greatly disappointed in you. I thought you were wiser than this.
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putin

The Lake of Fire
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some things to realize:

who you are (your personality, your mind, will, emotions, beliefs, ideals, etc etc etc) - which is your soul - STAYS INTACT. when you die, you do not magically become some different person. you take who you are with you. including your sinful ways. This is vital and important. This is why Jesus made such emphasis on your sinful ways (if your eye causes you to sin, pluck it out, etc)

sin is not only gonna hurt you in this life, but you take it with you and you cannot be with God with sin still residing in your soul/body.

for those who are in Christ, they become a "new person" and an heir.

the idea is to become a new creature in Christ, while in this life. Jesus came to reconcile ALL people. At one point, EVERY knee will bow and EVERY tongue will confess...

Whether you are reconciled in this life, or after you cross over, makes the big difference.

Consider the parable about Lazarus and the rich man.

For those who flatly refuse, these are the ones that will die the second death.
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Total crap! How can you say such things? How can you live with yourself? It is a given that the demons will be thrown into the Lake of Fire.


Universalism is total crap which contradicts the Bible and these verses expose it's lies.

Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat. Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it. Matthew 7:13-14
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you are not ready to accept it. and that's ok. we've all been taught otherwise. it has become part of our core belief set.

God desires to reconcile ALL people.
The plan for that is set in motion.

It's a hard teaching.
But, when you finally realize it, the love message reigns, and the fear agenda simple dissolves into the abyss.

“And he shall send Jesus Christ, which before was preached unto you: Whom the heaven must receive until the times of the restitution of all things, which God hath spoken by the mouth of all his holy prophets since the world began.” (Acts 3:20-21)
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No I will never be ready to accept that and will always reject it like I have done here since it contradicts the word of God.

Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat. Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it. Matthew 7:13-14

I find it startling how some people can twist the word of God to suit their own agenda's. My conscience would not allow it. It is glaringly obvious how universalism contradicts the word of God and your reply's to my posts have me dumbfounded at how you can reinterpret the literal obvious.
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The Reconciliation of ALL Things

Is there any idea that more thoroughly blackens the Name of God and His character than that which attributes all power and grace to Him, yet declares He consigns much of His creation to torment without end? To state that it is purely a gift of grace that brings salvation, yet believe that God desires to not only withhold that gift from those to whom He could equally bestow it, but also chooses to torture them for so long that a million years is only the beginning, is this not dementedly devilish? To think that an Omnipotent Creator and Ruler could bring into existence creatures knowing, much less planning such a fate, is to attribute an insensitivity and cruelty to Him that is unimaginable. For men it is imaginable because, after all, they concoct this idea. Therefore it is not only imaginable but documented.

The idea of annihilation is certainly more palatable an end, but not much better in giving of glory to God. Jesus said that "God sent not His Son into the world to condemn the world, but that the world through Him might be saved" (John 3:17). As we have all heard, "For God so loved the world..." How successful a love and salvation is annihilation (is that what you desire for your loved ones?) from Him Who is declared the Giver and Sustainer of all things and life itself? The resurrected Lord declares that He has the keys to hell and death (Rev. 1:18). How then are they accorded more power than Him?

And what does His Word say?

"All nations that You have made shall come and worship before You, O Lord, and shall glorify your Name" (Psalm 86:9).

"For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whosoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life. For God sent not His Son into the world to condemn the world, but that the world through Him might be saved" (John 3:16-17).

"And we have seen and do testify that the Father sent the Son to be the Savior of the world" (I John 4:14).

"The Lord is not slack concerning His promise, as some men count slackness, but is longsuffering toward us, not willing that any should perish but that all should come to repentance" (II Peter 3:9).

"All the ends of the world shall remember and turn unto the Lord, and all the kindreds of the nations shall worship before You" (Psalm 22:27).

"...having made known to us the mystery of His will, according to His good pleasure which He has purposed in Himself, that in the dispensation of the fulness of times He might gather together in one all things in Christ, both which are in heaven and which are on earth, even in Him" (Ephesians 1:9- 10).

"...Who will have all men to be saved and to come to a knowledge of the truth... Who gave Himself a ransom for all, to be testified in due time" (I Timothy 2:4,6).

"...that at the Name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth, and that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father" (Philippians 2:10-11).

Herein are not only the intentions of God clearly stated, He also gives them as a matter of fact. Now, do you believe that men who are weeping and gnashing their teeth will be confessing Jesus Christ as Lord, to the glory of God? A cosmic arm-twisting to elicit an "uncle" through clenched teeth? No way. The Scriptures, inspired by the Spirit of God, say, "Whosoever shall confess that Jesus is the Son of God (Lord), God dwells in him, and he in God" (I John 4:15). And again, "That if you shall confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus, and shall believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead, you shall be saved" (Romans 10:9).


"And they shall teach no more every man his neighbor, and every man his brother, saying, 'Know the Lord,' for they shall all know Me, from the least of them to the greatest of them, says the Lord. For I will forgive their iniquity and I will remember their sin no more" (Jeremiah 31:34)

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The Bible is a book full of Judgement. How can you just ignore all of it? You are taking all of those verses out of context. The Bible over and over again speaks on the fate of the wicked and rebellious. Even in the last book of the Bible, it speaks of the wicked dying the second death. Are you saying God is evil for bringing Judgement on the wicked? God does not change, he is the same God of the old testament and will not let sin and disobedience go unpunished. Tell me, what was the point of Yeshua dying if all were to be saved in the end?
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But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death. Revelation 21:8

Fire and brimstone, the same stuff that God threw down on Sodom and Gomorrah as Judgement for their wickedness.

The second death.

Does death mean life in your opinion?

For the living know that they shall die: but the dead know not any thing, neither have they any more a reward; for the memory of them is forgotten. Ecclesiastes 9:5


They're memory is forgotten.
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please don't confuse my words.
some will die the second death. they will.


but, i suspect it will be a small population.

the demons however, make up the bulk of that population.
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Not what the word of God says. That was Yeshua who said that and you have just contradicted him. Is not that clear?

Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat. Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it. Matthew 7:13-14
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But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death. Revelation 21:8

Fire and brimstone, the same stuff that God threw down on Sodom and Gomorrah as Judgement for their wickedness.

The second death.

Does death mean life in your opinion?

For the living know that they shall die: but the dead know not any thing, neither have they any more a reward; for the memory of them is forgotten. Ecclesiastes 9:5


They're memory is forgotten.
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please don't confuse my words.
some will die the second death. they will.


but, i suspect it will be a small population.

the demons however, make up the bulk of that population.
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Not what the word of God says. That was Yeshua who said that and you have just contradicted him. Is not that clear?

Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat. Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it. Matthew 7:13-14
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How about this one?

Matthew 22:1-14

King James Version (KJV)

22 And Jesus answered and spake unto them again by parables, and said,

2 The kingdom of heaven is like unto a certain king, which made a marriage for his son,

3 And sent forth his servants to call them that were bidden to the wedding: and they would not come.

4 Again, he sent forth other servants, saying, Tell them which are bidden, Behold, I have prepared my dinner: my oxen and my fatlings are killed, and all things are ready: come unto the marriage.

5 But they made light of it, and went their ways, one to his farm, another to his merchandise:

6 And the remnant took his servants, and entreated them spitefully, and slew them.

7 But when the king heard thereof, he was wroth: and he sent forth his armies, and destroyed those murderers, and burned up their city.

8 Then saith he to his servants, The wedding is ready, but they which were bidden were not worthy.

9 Go ye therefore into the highways, and as many as ye shall find, bid to the marriage.

10 So those servants went out into the highways, and gathered together all as many as they found, both bad and good: and the wedding was furnished with guests.

11 And when the king came in to see the guests, he saw there a man which had not on a wedding garment:

12 And he saith unto him, Friend, how camest thou in hither not having a wedding garment? And he was speechless.

13 Then said the king to the servants, Bind him hand and foot, and take him away, and cast him into outer darkness, there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.

14 For many are called, but few are chosen.
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But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death. Revelation 21:8

Fire and brimstone, the same stuff that God threw down on Sodom and Gomorrah as Judgement for their wickedness.

The second death.

Does death mean life in your opinion?

For the living know that they shall die: but the dead know not any thing, neither have they any more a reward; for the memory of them is forgotten. Ecclesiastes 9:5


They're memory is forgotten.
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please don't confuse my words.
some will die the second death. they will.


but, i suspect it will be a small population.

the demons however, make up the bulk of that population.
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Not what the word of God says. That was Yeshua who said that and you have just contradicted him. Is not that clear?

Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat. Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it. Matthew 7:13-14
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please refer to the original post for clarification on this verse and the others you are basing your argument on.

a good rule of thumb is to read 20 verses prior and 20 verses after each scripture you consider in order to glean it's correct context.
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right prior to that scripture in matthew 7 reads this:

9 “Which of you, if your son asks for bread, will give him a stone? 10 Or if he asks for a fish, will give him a snake? 11 If you, then, though you are evil, know how to give good gifts to your children, how much more will your Father in heaven give good gifts to those who ask him! 12 So in everything, do to others what you would have them do to you, for this sums up the Law and the Prophets.
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But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death. Revelation 21:8

Fire and brimstone, the same stuff that God threw down on Sodom and Gomorrah as Judgement for their wickedness.

The second death.

Does death mean life in your opinion?

For the living know that they shall die: but the dead know not any thing, neither have they any more a reward; for the memory of them is forgotten. Ecclesiastes 9:5


They're memory is forgotten.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 28100552


please don't confuse my words.
some will die the second death. they will.


but, i suspect it will be a small population.

the demons however, make up the bulk of that population.
 Quoting: Salt


Not what the word of God says. That was Yeshua who said that and you have just contradicted him. Is not that clear?

Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat. Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it. Matthew 7:13-14
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 28100552


please refer to the original post for clarification on this verse and the others you are basing your argument on.

a good rule of thumb is to read 20 verses prior and 20 verses after each scripture you consider in order to glean it's correct context.
 Quoting: Salt


lol I know how to apply the word in it's correct context. Please prove how I have taken it out of context? Sounds like a cop-out tbh.

Why did Yeshua die if everyone would be saved in the end? Kinda seems unnecessary.

The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance. 2 Peter 3:9

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