Godlike Productions - Conspiracy Forum
Users Online Now: 2,522 (Who's On?)Visitors Today: 2,345,197
Pageviews Today: 3,326,217Threads Today: 799Posts Today: 15,630
11:12 PM


Rate this Thread

Absolute BS Crap Reasonable Nice Amazing
 

The Truth about Hell - but the mainstream fundies can't accept it. and maybe you can't either

 
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 28100552
Ireland
11/20/2012 03:14 PM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: The Truth about Hell - but the mainstream fundies can't accept it. and maybe you can't either
right prior to that scripture in matthew 7 reads this:

9 “Which of you, if your son asks for bread, will give him a stone? 10 Or if he asks for a fish, will give him a snake? 11 If you, then, though you are evil, know how to give good gifts to your children, how much more will your Father in heaven give good gifts to those who ask him! 12 So in everything, do to others what you would have them do to you, for this sums up the Law and the Prophets.
 Quoting: Salt


Now you have taken it out of context since that has nothing to do with what I mentioned.
Anonymous Coward (OP)
User ID: 21291600
United States
11/20/2012 03:17 PM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: The Truth about Hell - but the mainstream fundies can't accept it. and maybe you can't either
...


please don't confuse my words.
some will die the second death. they will.


but, i suspect it will be a small population.

the demons however, make up the bulk of that population.
 Quoting: Salt


Not what the word of God says. That was Yeshua who said that and you have just contradicted him. Is not that clear?

Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat. Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it. Matthew 7:13-14
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 28100552


please refer to the original post for clarification on this verse and the others you are basing your argument on.

a good rule of thumb is to read 20 verses prior and 20 verses after each scripture you consider in order to glean it's correct context.
 Quoting: Salt


lol I know how to apply the word in it's correct context. Please prove how I have taken it out of context? Sounds like a cop-out tbh.

Why did Yeshua die if everyone would be saved in the end? Kinda seems unnecessary.

The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance. 2 Peter 3:9
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 28100552


Jesus didn't come to condemn, but to reconcile...EVERYONE.

some will not be saved. some will perish. some will suffer, weeping and gnashing, burning in the holy divine fire in the presence of God for an aeon.

in my understanding, so far, there are two usages of hell/hades in Jesus' words. There is the one where Satan, the False Prophet, demons, death, and those who will not reconcile, which is the second death, the eternal place of suffering, and Hades, which is the place where those who do not come to Christ will be forced to spend a very very long time being purified so that they can be reconciled to God.

the other point is this:
sin destroys.
every single person sins.

NARROW GATE: if you sin, but have Christ, then you are reconciled and made holy.

WIDE GATE: if you have sin, and do not have Christ, then it is to the fire for you. AND, if you sin, and do not have Christ, and to the fire you go, and refuse to let go of the sin, then on to the second death you go.


i think that not many will enter the narrow gate
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 28100552
Ireland
11/20/2012 03:18 PM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: The Truth about Hell - but the mainstream fundies can't accept it. and maybe you can't either
But funny what comes after.

Matthew 7:15-23

New King James Version (NKJV)
You Will Know Them by Their Fruits

15 “Beware of false prophets, who come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ravenous wolves. 16 You will know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes from thornbushes or figs from thistles? 17 Even so, every good tree bears good fruit, but a bad tree bears bad fruit. 18 A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, nor can a bad tree bear good fruit. 19 Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. 20 Therefore by their fruits you will know them.
I Never Knew You

21 “Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven. 22 Many will say to Me in that day, ‘Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?’ 23 And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!’
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 28100552
Ireland
11/20/2012 03:23 PM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: The Truth about Hell - but the mainstream fundies can't accept it. and maybe you can't either
...


Not what the word of God says. That was Yeshua who said that and you have just contradicted him. Is not that clear?

Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat. Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it. Matthew 7:13-14
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 28100552


please refer to the original post for clarification on this verse and the others you are basing your argument on.

a good rule of thumb is to read 20 verses prior and 20 verses after each scripture you consider in order to glean it's correct context.
 Quoting: Salt


lol I know how to apply the word in it's correct context. Please prove how I have taken it out of context? Sounds like a cop-out tbh.

Why did Yeshua die if everyone would be saved in the end? Kinda seems unnecessary.

The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance. 2 Peter 3:9
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 28100552


Jesus didn't come to condemn, but to reconcile...EVERYONE.

some will not be saved. some will perish. some will suffer, weeping and gnashing, burning in the holy divine fire in the presence of God for an aeon.

in my understanding, so far, there are two usages of hell/hades in Jesus' words. There is the one where Satan, the False Prophet, demons, death, and those who will not reconcile, which is the second death, the eternal place of suffering, and Hades, which is the place where those who do not come to Christ will be forced to spend a very very long time being purified so that they can be reconciled to God.

the other point is this:
sin destroys.
every single person sins.

NARROW GATE: if you sin, but have Christ, then you are reconciled and made holy.

WIDE GATE: if you have sin, and do not have Christ, then it is to the fire for you. AND, if you sin, and do not have Christ, and to the fire you go, and refuse to let go of the sin, then on to the second death you go.


i think that not many will enter the narrow gate
 Quoting: Salt


Are you familiar with this scripture because I think it would do you good to remember it.

Ye shall not add unto the word which I command you, neither shall ye diminish ought from it, that ye may keep the commandments of the LORD your God which I command you. Deuteronomy 4:2

You are adding your own interpretations of the word of God. Very dangerous stuff. It should be taken how it is, literally.

Also,

Matthew 10:34. "Do not think that I came to bring peace on earth. I did not come to bring peace but a sword.

35 "For I have come to 'set a man against his father, a daughter against her mother, and a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law';

36 "and 'a man's enemies will be those of his own household.'
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 28100552
Ireland
11/20/2012 03:24 PM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: The Truth about Hell - but the mainstream fundies can't accept it. and maybe you can't either
But funny what comes after.

Matthew 7:15-23

New King James Version (NKJV)
You Will Know Them by Their Fruits

15 “Beware of false prophets, who come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ravenous wolves. 16 You will know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes from thornbushes or figs from thistles? 17 Even so, every good tree bears good fruit, but a bad tree bears bad fruit. 18 A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, nor can a bad tree bear good fruit. 19 Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. 20 Therefore by their fruits you will know them.
I Never Knew You

21 “Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven. 22 Many will say to Me in that day, ‘Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?’ 23 And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!’

 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 28100552


21 “Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven. 22 Many will say to Me in that day, ‘Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?’ 23 And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!’


^^^^

That there contradicts the false doctrine of Universalism.
WalkerTalker2

User ID: 27551253
United States
11/20/2012 03:31 PM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: The Truth about Hell - but the mainstream fundies can't accept it. and maybe you can't either
OK- I will jumpin here on the 20th page....lets see---there are many hundreds of people living who have been visited by Jesus Christ and were shown heaven and hell-- so I take that very seriously, and I hope you do too. When you have that many and they all are seeing basically the same horror in hell, and being TOLD by Jesus who will go and why--I take that serious, ewspecially when its accompanied by an avalanch of scripture ( Jesus cites His wrod-- I will listen to Him over a human bibletard such as myself).

This thread is enormous, but I am going thru it trying to read what I can.

Even so come Lord Jesus

Blessings to all, even if we dont agree, in time it will be shown.....but...listen to THE WITTNESSES- theres tons of 'em!!
WalkerTalker2
Anonymous Coward (OP)
User ID: 21291600
United States
11/20/2012 03:38 PM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: The Truth about Hell - but the mainstream fundies can't accept it. and maybe you can't either
But funny what comes after.

Matthew 7:15-23

New King James Version (NKJV)
You Will Know Them by Their Fruits

15 “Beware of false prophets, who come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ravenous wolves. 16 You will know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes from thornbushes or figs from thistles? 17 Even so, every good tree bears good fruit, but a bad tree bears bad fruit. 18 A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, nor can a bad tree bear good fruit. 19 Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. 20 Therefore by their fruits you will know them.
I Never Knew You

21 “Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven. 22 Many will say to Me in that day, ‘Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?’ 23 And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!’

 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 28100552


21 “Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven. 22 Many will say to Me in that day, ‘Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?’ 23 And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!’


^^^^

That there contradicts the false doctrine of Universalism.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 28100552


i would like you to take all of your personal emotions out of our discussion. if possible.

i am not a false teacher, and i am certainly no prophet.
i am a witness to the perfect love of God and how His words are being misunderstood to both His people and the ones who reject Him.

This is a huge problem. People are running from God because of it.

People cannot see the love message for the fear agenda.
God does not want people to love him out of fear. One cannot love from fear anyway.

I do not claim to have answers, but I do devote my entire life to the Word and the study of it -- with fervor!! When God opens my eyes and ears to new depths of His living word and it brings me new understanding, then i bring it forward to anyone who will hear it. I am a seminary student as well, with a goal to work within the church in a counseling capacity, which should tell you how much i am interested in the things of God.
Anonymous Coward (OP)
User ID: 21291600
United States
11/20/2012 03:45 PM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: The Truth about Hell - but the mainstream fundies can't accept it. and maybe you can't either
...


please refer to the original post for clarification on this verse and the others you are basing your argument on.

a good rule of thumb is to read 20 verses prior and 20 verses after each scripture you consider in order to glean it's correct context.
 Quoting: Salt


lol I know how to apply the word in it's correct context. Please prove how I have taken it out of context? Sounds like a cop-out tbh.

Why did Yeshua die if everyone would be saved in the end? Kinda seems unnecessary.

The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance. 2 Peter 3:9
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 28100552


Jesus didn't come to condemn, but to reconcile...EVERYONE.

some will not be saved. some will perish. some will suffer, weeping and gnashing, burning in the holy divine fire in the presence of God for an aeon.

in my understanding, so far, there are two usages of hell/hades in Jesus' words. There is the one where Satan, the False Prophet, demons, death, and those who will not reconcile, which is the second death, the eternal place of suffering, and Hades, which is the place where those who do not come to Christ will be forced to spend a very very long time being purified so that they can be reconciled to God.

the other point is this:
sin destroys.
every single person sins.

NARROW GATE: if you sin, but have Christ, then you are reconciled and made holy.

WIDE GATE: if you have sin, and do not have Christ, then it is to the fire for you. AND, if you sin, and do not have Christ, and to the fire you go, and refuse to let go of the sin, then on to the second death you go.


i think that not many will enter the narrow gate
 Quoting: Salt


Are you familiar with this scripture because I think it would do you good to remember it.

Ye shall not add unto the word which I command you, neither shall ye diminish ought from it, that ye may keep the commandments of the LORD your God which I command you. Deuteronomy 4:2

You are adding your own interpretations of the word of God. Very dangerous stuff. It should be taken how it is, literally.

Also,

Matthew 10:34. "Do not think that I came to bring peace on earth. I did not come to bring peace but a sword.

35 "For I have come to 'set a man against his father, a daughter against her mother, and a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law';

36 "and 'a man's enemies will be those of his own household.'
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 28100552


see, brother, this is what i am talking about. how do you interpret these passages?

Jesus often asked people how they interpreted scriptures. i pose the same question to you.
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 28100552
Ireland
11/20/2012 03:46 PM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: The Truth about Hell - but the mainstream fundies can't accept it. and maybe you can't either
But funny what comes after.

Matthew 7:15-23

New King James Version (NKJV)
You Will Know Them by Their Fruits

15 “Beware of false prophets, who come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ravenous wolves. 16 You will know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes from thornbushes or figs from thistles? 17 Even so, every good tree bears good fruit, but a bad tree bears bad fruit. 18 A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, nor can a bad tree bear good fruit. 19 Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. 20 Therefore by their fruits you will know them.
I Never Knew You

21 “Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven. 22 Many will say to Me in that day, ‘Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?’ 23 And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!’

 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 28100552


21 “Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven. 22 Many will say to Me in that day, ‘Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?’ 23 And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!’


^^^^

That there contradicts the false doctrine of Universalism.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 28100552


i would like you to take all of your personal emotions out of our discussion. if possible.

i am not a false teacher, and i am certainly no prophet.
i am a witness to the perfect love of God and how His words are being misunderstood to both His people and the ones who reject Him.

This is a huge problem. People are running from God because of it.

People cannot see the love message for the fear agenda.
God does not want people to love him out of fear. One cannot love from fear anyway.

I do not claim to have answers, but I do devote my entire life to the Word and the study of it -- with fervor!! When God opens my eyes and ears to new depths of His living word and it brings me new understanding, then i bring it forward to anyone who will hear it. I am a seminary student as well, with a goal to work within the church in a counseling capacity, which should tell you how much i am interested in the things of God.
 Quoting: Salt


You mean my Zeal and Righteous anger to expose false teachings. Sorry, I cannot do that. And you are a false teacher since you teach contrary to what the word of God and the Son of God says. That is just a fact.

And why won't you answer my question? Why did Yeshua have to die if all would be saved in the end?

I would like you to stop spreading anti-Christ teachings on GLP.
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 28100552
Ireland
11/20/2012 03:47 PM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: The Truth about Hell - but the mainstream fundies can't accept it. and maybe you can't either
The fear of the LORD is the beginning of wisdom: a good understanding have all they that do his commandments: his praise endureth for ever. Psalm 111:10
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 28100552
Ireland
11/20/2012 03:48 PM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: The Truth about Hell - but the mainstream fundies can't accept it. and maybe you can't either
...


lol I know how to apply the word in it's correct context. Please prove how I have taken it out of context? Sounds like a cop-out tbh.

Why did Yeshua die if everyone would be saved in the end? Kinda seems unnecessary.

The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance. 2 Peter 3:9
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 28100552


Jesus didn't come to condemn, but to reconcile...EVERYONE.

some will not be saved. some will perish. some will suffer, weeping and gnashing, burning in the holy divine fire in the presence of God for an aeon.

in my understanding, so far, there are two usages of hell/hades in Jesus' words. There is the one where Satan, the False Prophet, demons, death, and those who will not reconcile, which is the second death, the eternal place of suffering, and Hades, which is the place where those who do not come to Christ will be forced to spend a very very long time being purified so that they can be reconciled to God.

the other point is this:
sin destroys.
every single person sins.

NARROW GATE: if you sin, but have Christ, then you are reconciled and made holy.

WIDE GATE: if you have sin, and do not have Christ, then it is to the fire for you. AND, if you sin, and do not have Christ, and to the fire you go, and refuse to let go of the sin, then on to the second death you go.


i think that not many will enter the narrow gate
 Quoting: Salt


Are you familiar with this scripture because I think it would do you good to remember it.

Ye shall not add unto the word which I command you, neither shall ye diminish ought from it, that ye may keep the commandments of the LORD your God which I command you. Deuteronomy 4:2

You are adding your own interpretations of the word of God. Very dangerous stuff. It should be taken how it is, literally.

Also,

Matthew 10:34. "Do not think that I came to bring peace on earth. I did not come to bring peace but a sword.

35 "For I have come to 'set a man against his father, a daughter against her mother, and a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law';

36 "and 'a man's enemies will be those of his own household.'
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 28100552


see, brother, this is what i am talking about. how do you interpret these passages?

Jesus often asked people how they interpreted scriptures. i pose the same question to you.
 Quoting: Salt


He did? Where? I don't need to interpret them for they say what they mean.
Dr_Kynes
User ID: 4209135
United States
11/20/2012 03:51 PM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: The Truth about Hell - but the mainstream fundies can't accept it. and maybe you can't either
Wow 20 pages.......

Seems like this is a subject with much contention

And it should be.....religion has messed this doctrine of hell up since the fall of Adam and Eve.

From my reading of the KJV Bible and from the fact that the devil has many many ways to twist God's word

I've come to the conclusion:

1) When we die......we don't know anything. Time stops
We DIE physically......and the next thing we will know
is being in the presence of GOD ready for the Great White throne Judgement (only exception being those saints that were martyred.....see revelations)

2) There are NO SAINTS that have died before us floating around in heaven watching us.

3) There are no damned ones in hell burning away in torment. Neither will the lake of fire last forever when it happens to the damned......No roasting for infintity years

4) Jesus Christ shed his blood for MANY (NOT ALL)....look it up it's in the bible.

5) Probably a large portion of all that have been born will end up in HELL. (Narrow is the way and few be that find it)

Maybe 100 Billion souls will end up in Hell, Maybe a billion souls will end up in heaven.

5b) There is no recycling of humans (no reincarnation)

6) The Lake of Fire is the end point to those who died in their sins who are not saved and did not know Jesus CHrist.

7) Hell is experienced by the damned when the GAVEL coming down at the great white throne judgement when the SINNER is shown his fate appart from Jesus in Heaven.

I suspect that there might be a waiting period before the angels cast the DAMNED ones into the actual Lake of Fire. This is where you will see weeping and knashing of teeth.

8) Once the damned person is cast into the lake of fire.....the life that was "resurected" is forever extinguished. The judgement is permanent, they will never have another chance to repent. They will also feel no more pain.......they won't be there to experience anything.

9) Outside the new jerusalem that God creates, will be the dead bodies of all those that were Cast into the Lake of Fire. (I'm thinking the fire is more like electrocution...rather than burning to ashes.)

10) In the scripture where it says...the smoke of their torment goes up day and night and their worm die-eth not........this means that the evidence of their judgement will be there for all in heaven and earth to see.....for all eternity the evidence will be there.

I mean look at "their worm die-eth not"......what happens to a body when it dies......shortly afterwards, worms start eating the flesh.

But when the flesh is completely eaten, the worms 'die' or more appropriately.......the worms become flys and leave the body.

So...."Their worm dieth not".....is an allegory to the fact that the state of this DAMNED PERSON being under the DEATH JUDGEMENT will be evidenced whenever a righteous person sees that dead body.

Since death will be cast into the lake of fire......there will be NO DECAY anymore......so it seems God will let there be a massive open Graveyard outside Jerusalem as evidence of the Final judgement.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 28100552
Ireland
11/20/2012 03:59 PM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: The Truth about Hell - but the mainstream fundies can't accept it. and maybe you can't either
I hope you see sense soon. I will pray for you. God bless you.
Anonymous Coward (OP)
User ID: 21291600
United States
11/20/2012 04:10 PM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: The Truth about Hell - but the mainstream fundies can't accept it. and maybe you can't either
But funny what comes after.

Matthew 7:15-23

New King James Version (NKJV)
You Will Know Them by Their Fruits

15 “Beware of false prophets, who come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ravenous wolves. 16 You will know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes from thornbushes or figs from thistles? 17 Even so, every good tree bears good fruit, but a bad tree bears bad fruit. 18 A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, nor can a bad tree bear good fruit. 19 Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. 20 Therefore by their fruits you will know them.
I Never Knew You

21 “Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven. 22 Many will say to Me in that day, ‘Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?’ 23 And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!’

 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 28100552


21 “Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven. 22 Many will say to Me in that day, ‘Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?’ 23 And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!’


^^^^

That there contradicts the false doctrine of Universalism.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 28100552


i would like you to take all of your personal emotions out of our discussion. if possible.

i am not a false teacher, and i am certainly no prophet.
i am a witness to the perfect love of God and how His words are being misunderstood to both His people and the ones who reject Him.

This is a huge problem. People are running from God because of it.

People cannot see the love message for the fear agenda.
God does not want people to love him out of fear. One cannot love from fear anyway.

I do not claim to have answers, but I do devote my entire life to the Word and the study of it -- with fervor!! When God opens my eyes and ears to new depths of His living word and it brings me new understanding, then i bring it forward to anyone who will hear it. I am a seminary student as well, with a goal to work within the church in a counseling capacity, which should tell you how much i am interested in the things of God.
 Quoting: Salt


You mean my Zeal and Righteous anger to expose false teachings. Sorry, I cannot do that. And you are a false teacher since you teach contrary to what the word of God and the Son of God says. That is just a fact.

And why won't you answer my question? Why did Yeshua have to die if all would be saved in the end?

I would like you to stop spreading anti-Christ teachings on GLP.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 28100552


your zeal blinds you from the truth.
you seem like the type that wants to stand on the cliff and cheer for almost every soul that will burn.
there is no love in your posts, or your interpretation of scripture.
go back and reread my OP.

you keep saying that i claim ALL will be saved.
i don't claim this.

being saved means two things. saved in this life which means saved from Hades, and not saved in this life which means an everlasting age in Hades. For those who endure Hades and become reconciled they will enter the gates. For those who don't then they will die the second death. THIS IS THE PLACE OF ETERNAL LAKE OF FIRE.

Hades and Eternal Lake of Fire are two different places (or they will end up being the same place after judgment day - don't know)

it's so simple.

there is nothing anti-Christ about this post.
stop rejoicing in burning souls.

i wish i had lots of time to pick everything apart with you, but sadly today i am multi-tasking. i will have time tonight to look at things more deeply.
Life and Love

User ID: 26735250
United States
11/20/2012 04:12 PM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: The Truth about Hell - but the mainstream fundies can't accept it. and maybe you can't either
[...]

i wish i had lots of time to pick everything apart with you, but sadly today i am multi-tasking. i will have time tonight to look at things more deeply.
 Quoting: Salt


I wish the others would have the courage to review their strongly held positions.
We become like that to which we are devoted. Choose wisely.
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 28100552
Ireland
11/20/2012 04:15 PM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: The Truth about Hell - but the mainstream fundies can't accept it. and maybe you can't either
...


21 “Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven. 22 Many will say to Me in that day, ‘Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?’ 23 And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!’


^^^^

That there contradicts the false doctrine of Universalism.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 28100552


i would like you to take all of your personal emotions out of our discussion. if possible.

i am not a false teacher, and i am certainly no prophet.
i am a witness to the perfect love of God and how His words are being misunderstood to both His people and the ones who reject Him.

This is a huge problem. People are running from God because of it.

People cannot see the love message for the fear agenda.
God does not want people to love him out of fear. One cannot love from fear anyway.

I do not claim to have answers, but I do devote my entire life to the Word and the study of it -- with fervor!! When God opens my eyes and ears to new depths of His living word and it brings me new understanding, then i bring it forward to anyone who will hear it. I am a seminary student as well, with a goal to work within the church in a counseling capacity, which should tell you how much i am interested in the things of God.
 Quoting: Salt


You mean my Zeal and Righteous anger to expose false teachings. Sorry, I cannot do that. And you are a false teacher since you teach contrary to what the word of God and the Son of God says. That is just a fact.

And why won't you answer my question? Why did Yeshua have to die if all would be saved in the end?

I would like you to stop spreading anti-Christ teachings on GLP.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 28100552


your zeal blinds you from the truth.
you seem like the type that wants to stand on the cliff and cheer for almost every soul that will burn.
there is no love in your posts, or your interpretation of scripture.
go back and reread my OP.

you keep saying that i claim ALL will be saved.
i don't claim this.

being saved means two things. saved in this life which means saved from Hades, and not saved in this life which means an everlasting age in Hades. For those who endure Hades and become reconciled they will enter the gates. For those who don't then they will die the second death.

it's so simple.

there is nothing anti-Christ about this post.
stop rejoicing in burning souls.

i wish i had lots of time to pick everything apart with you, but sadly today i am multi-tasking. i will have time tonight to look at things more deeply.
 Quoting: Salt


Despicable slander. My eyes are fully opened and it is you who is blind. How do you get me wanting people to go to hell by simply exposing peoples false doctrine and lies on threads. What a cold thing to say. You believe what you want, I have said all I need to say on this thread.
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 30370241
United States
12/19/2012 11:30 PM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: The Truth about Hell - but the mainstream fundies can't accept it. and maybe you can't either
ok, so according to you i've been in hell my whole life because i'm unfortunate enough to experience 'instant karma' plus the multiplier every time.
pool
Netizen Ribbonmind

User ID: 18381151
United States
12/20/2012 12:06 AM

Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: The Truth about Hell - but the mainstream fundies can't accept it. and maybe you can't either
ok, so according to you i've been in hell my whole life because i'm unfortunate enough to experience 'instant karma' plus the multiplier every time.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 30370241


Eve and Adams debt were paid, not yours.
"The earth is mother of us all, for she is just; but you, because you are unjust have pretended that she is your mother alone; and if you do not stop, I will not permit you to remain upon her."

[link to www.livius.org]
888
User ID: 3095490
United States
12/20/2012 12:20 AM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: The Truth about Hell - but the mainstream fundies can't accept it. and maybe you can't either
Is it fair that the Bible says people can get into heaven by simply believing in Jesus, when there might be some far better people around who might go to hell simply because they didn't believe in him?

This question derives from a misunderstanding. When Jesus said that anyone who believes in him will have eternal life, the implication of his word believe has been lost in many Bible translations; it actually had the connetation of not only believing, but also obeying. The jewish people would have understood that actions would automatically follow from true faith, and it wouldn't be true faith without them. (Though the true meaning of the word believe has been lost in many translations, the principle is spelled out in so many New Testament verses that it doesn't matter.)

From an article called The Law and the Christian from the Tektonics.org website:

"... And now we plagiarize our own work again to explain our meaning, The Semitic Totality Concept means that "a man's thoughts form one totality with their results in action so that 'thoughts' that result in no action are 'vain'." [Dahl, Resurrection of the Body, 60] To put it another way, man does not have a body; man is a body, and what we regard as constituent elements of spirit and body were looked upon by the Hebrews as a fundamental unity. Applied to the role of works following faith, this means that there can be no decision without corresponding action, for the total person will inevitably reflect a choice that is made. ...

Thus, what we would consider separate actions of conversion, confession, and obedience in the form of works would be considered by the Hebrews to be an act in totality. "Both the act and the meaning of the act mattered -- the two formed for the first Christians an indivisible unity." [Flemington, New Testament Doctrine of Baptism, 111] ..."

From an article called Why Didn't God Stop the Process Before it Started, if He Knew of the Massive Amounts of Suffering That Would Befall Many of His Creatures?? by Glenn Miller:

"... 1. The first 'long-term judgment' verse in the Bible:

“And many of those who sleep in the dust of the ground will awake, these to everlasting life, but the others to disgrace and everlasting contempt. (Dan 12.2)

This is the first verse in the bible that refers to post-death, post-resurrection, long-term effects of this life, for those who actively reject God’s goodness. Notice that the 'quality of life' is described as 'disgrace' and 'contempt'--hardly mind-numbing torture terms! If the hell-experience had been understood as the intense suffering commonly attributed to it, then this verse has focused on very minor aspects of that--to the point of being misleading perhaps.

2. The "weeping and gnashing of teeth" passages: ...

As the weeds are pulled up and burned in the fire, so it will be at the end of the age. 41 The Son of Man will send out his angels, and they will weed out of his kingdom everything that causes sin and all who do evil. 42 They will throw them into the fiery furnace, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth. (matt 13.40)

Once again, the kingdom of heaven is like a net that was let down into the lake and caught all kinds of fish. 48 When it was full, the fishermen pulled it up on the shore. Then they sat down and collected the good fish in baskets, but threw the bad away. 49 This is how it will be at the end of the age. The angels will come and separate the wicked from the righteous 50 and throw them into the fiery furnace, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth. (Matt 13.47) ...

But suppose that servant is wicked and says to himself, ‘My master is staying away a long time,’ 49 and he then begins to beat his fellow servants and to eat and drink with drunkards. 50 The master of that servant will come on a day when he does not expect him and at an hour he is not aware of. 51 He will cut him to pieces and assign him a place with the hypocrites, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth. (matt 24.48ff) ...

There will be weeping there, and gnashing of teeth, when you see Abraham, Isaac and Jacob and all the prophets in the kingdom of God, but you yourselves thrown out. 29 People will come from east and west and north and south, and will take their places at the feast in the kingdom of God. (Luke 13.28ff)


The discomfort described here is weeping/sorrow, NOT screaming/pain--contrary to most of the popular images of hell used for this question.

Notice that a few of these passages have the 'darkness' and 'fire' images, but the effects are cast in terms of sorrow ('weeping') and anguish/regret/anger ('gnashing of teeth', cf. Acts 7.54, Ps 37.12). Notice especially that in the Lucan passage the weeping occurs "when they see" their own exclusion--it is due to the separation issue, not some torture or pain. ...

Hell is thought by many to be eternal. But an examination of the original Greek words apparently sheds a new light on it, and according to some, it turns out that hell is a process of punishment meant to refine and correct faults, to bring people to feel sorrow for their past behaviour so they sincerely seek forgiveness and wish to change their ways, at which point, they can be allowed into heaven.

From an article called Is It All GREEK to You? by brad edwards:

"... While on the topic of "FIRE," let's consider another strong passage from Revelation.

REV 14:10"...he will be tormented with burning SULFUR in the PRESENCE of the holy angels and the Lamb"

In this verse we see the word "SULFUR" used for "tormenting" (punishing) those who follow the Beast. Also note that this is done in the PRESENCE of Jesus and not in some subterranean fire pit away from God. It is this PRESENSE of our holy God that causes their pain to be sure. So what is SULFUR? Well, in some Bibles it is translated "brimstone," but the Greek word here is "THEION" which can also be translated DIVINE as in something from God. Places that lightning touched were called "theia" and left a sulfurous smell. Also sulfur was used in purification ceremonies in that day by some outside of Judea. The real key here is that THEION is derived from THEOS which is GOD! Yes, THEOS is God in Greek and the word THEION comes directly from this Source.

Consider this passage from Acts:

Act 17:29 "Being then the children of God, we ought not to think that the DIVINE Nature is like gold or silver or stone, an image formed by the art and thought of man."

The word translated here DIVINE is THEION which has been translated sulfur in other passages like in Revelation. The lake of Fire has a direct connection to the Divine because it comes from God. Not only is this a Divine Fire, but it is one that PURIFIES whatever it comes in contact with. Are we to suppose that our God and Father has no purpose in this Fire that torments those He created in His image and likeness? All that God does has purpose, we simply can't comprehend it yet. ...

The next word to look at is "AION" and its derivatives- "AIONION" and "AIONIOS." That ugly doctrine of "eternal" hell greatly depends on this word meaning forever. ...

There are many passages I could cite showing that AION or OLAM doesn't mean forever, but concerning an AGE or AGE-LASTING.
The many derivatives of AION are relating to an age or of the ages. Aionios is rendered "age-lasting" in better translations. The corrective punishment God uses is only for as long as it takes to bring godly sorrow and repentance. Many literal translations of the Bible have corrected this mistake as to bring back loving harmony to God's word as you will read later in this study. To reiterate, aion means an age- a limited period of time and NOT eternal, forever nor forever and ever. ...

The word for punishment here is "KOLASIS." The meaning is to punish, but for CORRECTIVE purposes and not out of vengeance. God is correcting those nations on His left with "aionion kolasis" which is translated this way in these Bibles:

"And these shall go away into age-abiding CORRECTION" -Rotherham's Emphasized Bible ..."

From an article called Honor and Pain - A Refocus on the Atonement and Eternal Punishment from the Tektonics.org website:

"... The 'logic' of hell in the bible is surprisingly simple: You receive back the treatment/effects you gave other agents (including God and yourself) with some kind of multiplier effect. [The bible is full of images of this reciprocity concept: reaping what you sow, being paid back, suffering loss as you had despoiled others, unkindness for unkindness shown, apathy for apathy rendered, 'eye for an eye', proportional judgement, etc] This is suited as well to what we have said of honor debts and shame as a response. You dishonor God; you receive dishonor in return. Appropriately your required response is to acknowledge your own need -- in effect, giving up your "honor" -- by admitting that you need God's help to pay the debt. ..."

[link to www.broadcaster.org.uk]
 Quoting: Salt


"THE TRUE" MEANING OF "THE WORD" IS NOT LOST...

YOU HAVE LOST "THE MEANING"!!!

TO GET BACK WHAT WAS LOST...

REPENT

ACCEPT JESUS CHRIST...

BAPTISE WITH "THE HOLY" SPIRIT...

THEN ASK "THE HOLY SPIRIT" ABOUT "THE TRUE" MEANING OF "THE WORD"...
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 9995655
Canada
01/24/2013 12:16 PM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: The Truth about Hell - but the mainstream fundies can't accept it. and maybe you can't either
"And how does one get out of Hell? One must pay the last penny of their debt of sins committed on the earth to get out: I tell you, you shall not get out until you have paid the very last penny, Luke 12:59; and by long, long pleading to the Lord Jesus Christ, (the savior of all men) to purify them, after the last penny, ( figure of speech describing penalty), has been paid...."


Sorry, but this is not Biblical or of God; it is of men in order not to offend and by the betrayal of the scripture that is quoted. The point Jesus was making is that we can never 'pay the last penny' not even in fire, this is why He paid the penalty and if you don't accept Him here and now...it will NEVER be paid by our own devices. This is the ENTIRE point of the gospel and you are advocating doctrine to the contrary. This is men bowing down to the offended and caring what men think and feel rather than portraying the truth. Jesus said we would be hated because of Him and we are not to twist scriptures so we would be 'liked' or 'accepted'. We are not to conform to this world and this is exactly what this theory would have us do. For shame!

Matthew 12:32
32 Anyone who speaks a word against the Son of Man will be forgiven, but anyone who speaks against the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven, either in this age or in the age to come.

Mark 3:29
29 But whoever blasphemes against the Holy Spirit will never be forgiven; he is guilty of an eternal sin.”


Luke 12:10
10 And everyone who speaks a word against the Son of Man will be forgiven, but anyone who blasphemes against the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven.


It is a contradiction of the biggest sort in that it, one, would have us believe that 'we' could pay off our debt, which would mean that Jesus Christ's death was not enough and that our works (even in hell) could do the work that Jesus Christ already did. If we could defend ourselves in the 'court of God' then we would not need the blood of Christ. Is this not what this 'theory' would have us believe? The unforgivable sin is that of disbelief, to the point that men would refuse the blood of Jesus Christ to cover their sins and by refusing the Holy Spirit's revealing of the truth thereby calling the Holy Spirit a liar...this can NEVER be forgiven now or 'in the age to come'.

Resource, Matthew Henry: Luke 12:57-59

"We have by sin made God our adversary, have provoked his displeasure against us, and he has both right and might on his side; so that it is to no purpose to think of carrying on the controversy with him either at bar or in battle. Christ, to whom all judgment is committed, is the magistrate before whom we are hastening to appear: if we stand a trial before him, and insist upon our own justification, the cause will certainly go against us, the Judge will deliver us to the officer, the ministers of his justice, and we shall be cast into the prison of hell, and the debt will be exacted to the utmost; though we cannot make a full satisfaction for it, it will be continually demanded, till the last mite be paid, which will not be to all eternity. Christ’s sufferings were short, yet the value of them made them fully satisfactory. In the sufferings of damned sinners what is wanting in value must be made up in an endless duration. Now, in consideration of this, let us give diligence to be delivered out of the hands of God as an adversary, into his hands as a Father, and this as we are in the way, which has the chief stress laid upon it here. While we are alive, we are in the way; and now is our time, by repentance and faith through Christ (who is the Mediator as well as the magistrate), to get the quarrel made up, while it may be done, before it be too late. Thus was God in Christ reconciling the world to himself, beseeching us to be reconciled. Let us take hold on the arm of the Lord stretched out in this gracious offer, that we may make peace, and we shall make peace (Isa. 27:4, 5), for we cannot walk together till we be agreed."
Anonymous Coward (OP)
User ID: 21291600
United States
01/24/2013 08:22 PM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: The Truth about Hell - but the mainstream fundies can't accept it. and maybe you can't either
"And how does one get out of Hell? One must pay the last penny of their debt of sins committed on the earth to get out: I tell you, you shall not get out until you have paid the very last penny, Luke 12:59; and by long, long pleading to the Lord Jesus Christ, (the savior of all men) to purify them, after the last penny, ( figure of speech describing penalty), has been paid...."


Sorry, but this is not Biblical or of God; it is of men in order not to offend and by the betrayal of the scripture that is quoted. The point Jesus was making is that we can never 'pay the last penny' not even in fire, this is why He paid the penalty and if you don't accept Him here and now...it will NEVER be paid by our own devices. This is the ENTIRE point of the gospel and you are advocating doctrine to the contrary. This is men bowing down to the offended and caring what men think and feel rather than portraying the truth. Jesus said we would be hated because of Him and we are not to twist scriptures so we would be 'liked' or 'accepted'. We are not to conform to this world and this is exactly what this theory would have us do. For shame!

Matthew 12:32
32 Anyone who speaks a word against the Son of Man will be forgiven, but anyone who speaks against the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven, either in this age or in the age to come.

Mark 3:29
29 But whoever blasphemes against the Holy Spirit will never be forgiven; he is guilty of an eternal sin.”


Luke 12:10
10 And everyone who speaks a word against the Son of Man will be forgiven, but anyone who blasphemes against the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven.


It is a contradiction of the biggest sort in that it, one, would have us believe that 'we' could pay off our debt, which would mean that Jesus Christ's death was not enough and that our works (even in hell) could do the work that Jesus Christ already did. If we could defend ourselves in the 'court of God' then we would not need the blood of Christ. Is this not what this 'theory' would have us believe? The unforgivable sin is that of disbelief, to the point that men would refuse the blood of Jesus Christ to cover their sins and by refusing the Holy Spirit's revealing of the truth thereby calling the Holy Spirit a liar...this can NEVER be forgiven now or 'in the age to come'.

Resource, Matthew Henry: Luke 12:57-59

"We have by sin made God our adversary, have provoked his displeasure against us, and he has both right and might on his side; so that it is to no purpose to think of carrying on the controversy with him either at bar or in battle. Christ, to whom all judgment is committed, is the magistrate before whom we are hastening to appear: if we stand a trial before him, and insist upon our own justification, the cause will certainly go against us, the Judge will deliver us to the officer, the ministers of his justice, and we shall be cast into the prison of hell, and the debt will be exacted to the utmost; though we cannot make a full satisfaction for it, it will be continually demanded, till the last mite be paid, which will not be to all eternity. Christ’s sufferings were short, yet the value of them made them fully satisfactory. In the sufferings of damned sinners what is wanting in value must be made up in an endless duration. Now, in consideration of this, let us give diligence to be delivered out of the hands of God as an adversary, into his hands as a Father, and this as we are in the way, which has the chief stress laid upon it here. While we are alive, we are in the way; and now is our time, by repentance and faith through Christ (who is the Mediator as well as the magistrate), to get the quarrel made up, while it may be done, before it be too late. Thus was God in Christ reconciling the world to himself, beseeching us to be reconciled. Let us take hold on the arm of the Lord stretched out in this gracious offer, that we may make peace, and we shall make peace (Isa. 27:4, 5), for we cannot walk together till we be agreed."

 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 9995655


agreed.
-GLP-Christian-
Potential Terrorist Under Svea Banér

User ID: 33344582
Sweden
05/10/2013 09:38 PM

Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: The Truth about Hell - but the mainstream fundies can't accept it. and maybe you can't either
Apostasy you can just smell it in this thread.

OP you do know this hell denial has been prophecied?
Here's a nice artilce about it all:
Taking the Fire out of Hell
[link to wayoflife.org]

It's you and the apostates, dunno why you wanna run with the apostates but hey it's your choice.

I wrote a little about hell, maybe you should read it:
[link to www.christ-saviour.com]
-GLP-Christian-
Potential Terrorist Under Svea Banér

User ID: 33344582
Sweden
05/10/2013 09:47 PM

Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: The Truth about Hell - but the mainstream fundies can't accept it. and maybe you can't either
And this guy figured it out also:
[link to www.boundless.org]

further more Hebrews has some very enlightening words about the subject too, it may not look like it on the surface and it is a question:

Heb 10:28 He that despised Moses' law died without mercy under two or three witnesses:
Heb 10:29 Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace?
Heb 10:30 For we know him that hath said, Vengeance belongeth unto me, I will recompense, saith the Lord. And again, The Lord shall judge his people.
Heb 10:31 It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.

Because this is what people that go to hell do, they have trodden under foot the Son of God.

So what sorer punishment is there than capital punishment, why of course: Hell and then the Lake of fire for eternity.
Revelation 14:11 And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name.

if you look at the devils:
Mt 8:28 ¶ And when he was come to the other side into the country of the Gergesenes, there met him two possessed with devils, coming out of the tombs, exceeding fierce, so that no man might pass by that way.
Mt 8:29 And, behold, they cried out, saying, What have we to do with thee, Jesus, thou Son of God? art thou come hither to torment us before the time?

notice how terrified they are of Jesus and how terrified they are that Jesus will torment them before the time.
Another proof of hell, because hell was not made for man.
Matthew 25:41 Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:

notice how it says EVERLASTING fire.

and how there's EVERLASTING chains:
Jude 1:6 And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day.

2 Thessalonians 1:9 Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power;

and so on and so forth.
There's so much you don't even dare to touch upon because you know you are wrong, you are trying to be more compassionate than God as that guy in the first link talks about.

Btw now you can't claim you didn't know.
Life and Love

User ID: 36559246
United States
05/10/2013 09:50 PM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: The Truth about Hell - but the mainstream fundies can't accept it. and maybe you can't either
Apostasy you can just smell it in this thread.

OP you do know this hell denial has been prophecied?
Here's a nice artilce about it all:
Taking the Fire out of Hell
[link to wayoflife.org]

It's you and the apostates, dunno why you wanna run with the apostates but hey it's your choice.

I wrote a little about hell, maybe you should read it:
[link to www.christ-saviour.com]
 Quoting: -GLP-Christian-


I particularly appreciate the first link, which shows your belief is in the minority compared to the number of other views posted.
We become like that to which we are devoted. Choose wisely.
Quetzal785

User ID: 27934715
United States
05/10/2013 09:54 PM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: The Truth about Hell - but the mainstream fundies can't accept it. and maybe you can't either
Honestly im a devout religous person and im getting tired of hearing what everyone thinks about heaven and hell... its all forked tounge talk. Forgiveness is given to all,"For all men sin and fall short of the glory of god"

Now a quote from my favorite punk band.

"and who the fuck are you to judge me"

You being you not the creator.

Take your one eye illuminate bs somewhere esle
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 14286934


clappa
Quetzal785
-GLP-Christian-
Potential Terrorist Under Svea Banér

User ID: 33344582
Sweden
05/10/2013 10:04 PM

Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: The Truth about Hell - but the mainstream fundies can't accept it. and maybe you can't either
But funny what comes after.

Matthew 7:15-23

New King James Version (NKJV)
You Will Know Them by Their Fruits

15 “Beware of false prophets, who come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ravenous wolves. 16 You will know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes from thornbushes or figs from thistles? 17 Even so, every good tree bears good fruit, but a bad tree bears bad fruit. 18 A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, nor can a bad tree bear good fruit. 19 Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. 20 Therefore by their fruits you will know them.
I Never Knew You

21 “Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven. 22 Many will say to Me in that day, ‘Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?’ 23 And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!’

 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 28100552


21 “Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven. 22 Many will say to Me in that day, ‘Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?’ 23 And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!’


^^^^

That there contradicts the false doctrine of Universalism.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 28100552


i would like you to take all of your personal emotions out of our discussion. if possible.

i am not a false teacher, and i am certainly no prophet.
i am a witness to the perfect love of God and how His words are being misunderstood to both His people and the ones who reject Him.

This is a huge problem. People are running from God because of it.

People cannot see the love message for the fear agenda.
God does not want people to love him out of fear. One cannot love from fear anyway.

I do not claim to have answers, but I do devote my entire life to the Word and the study of it -- with fervor!! When God opens my eyes and ears to new depths of His living word and it brings me new understanding, then i bring it forward to anyone who will hear it. I am a seminary student as well, with a goal to work within the church in a counseling capacity, which should tell you how much i am interested in the things of God.
 Quoting: Salt


No it's not a problem at all.

Mt 7:13 Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat:
Mt 7:14 Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.

you see it as a problem. People go to hell and it's their own fault.

The fear agenda?
Do a word study on FEAR, you will be surprised, here's some interesting tid bits about fear:

Psalms 19:9 The fear of the LORD is clean, enduring for ever: the judgments of the LORD are true and righteous altogether.

Psalms 22:23 Ye that fear the LORD, praise him; all ye the seed of Jacob, glorify him; and fear him, all ye the seed of Israel.

Psalms 22:25 My praise shall be of thee in the great congregation: I will pay my vows before them that fear him.

Psalms 25:14 The secret of the LORD is with them that fear him; and he will shew them his covenant.

Psalms 31:19 Oh how great is thy goodness, which thou hast laid up for them that fear thee; which thou hast wrought for them that trust in thee before the sons of men!

Psalms 33:8 Let all the earth fear the LORD: let all the inhabitants of the world stand in awe of him.

Psalms 33:18 Behold, the eye of the LORD is upon them that fear him, upon them that hope in his mercy;

Psalms 34:7 The angel of the LORD encampeth round about them that fear him, and delivereth them.

Psalms 34:9 O fear the LORD, ye his saints: for there is no want to them that fear him.

Proverbs 1:29 For that they hated knowledge, and did not choose the fear of the LORD:

Proverbs 2:5 Then shalt thou understand the fear of the LORD, and find the knowledge of God.

Proverbs 3:7 Be not wise in thine own eyes: fear the LORD, and depart from evil.


Pr 8:13 The fear of the LORD is to hate evil: pride, and arrogancy, and the evil way, and the froward mouth, do I hate.
Pr 9:10 The fear of the LORD is the beginning of wisdom: and the knowledge of the holy is understanding.
Pr 10:27 The fear of the LORD prolongeth days: but the years of the wicked shall be shortened.
Pr 14:26 In the fear of the LORD is strong confidence: and his children shall have a place of refuge.
Pr 14:27 The fear of the LORD is a fountain of life, to depart from the snares of death.
Pr 15:16 Better is little with the fear of the LORD than great treasure and trouble therewith.
Pr 15:33 The fear of the LORD is the instruction of wisdom; and before honour is humility.
Pr 16:6 By mercy and truth iniquity is purged: and by the fear of the LORD men depart from evil.
Pr 19:23 The fear of the LORD tendeth to life: and he that hath it shall abide satisfied; he shall not be visited with evil.

Matthew 10:28 And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.

Luke 1:50 And his mercy is on them that fear him from generation to generation.

Luke 12:5 But I will forewarn you whom ye shall fear: Fear him, which after he hath killed hath power to cast into hell; yea, I say unto you, Fear him.

Revelation 19:5 And a voice came out of the throne, saying, Praise our God, all ye his servants, and ye that fear him, both small and great.

see you have been suckered in by the enemy, you probably have that same belief of Hate as being something bad, I wrote a little about Hate:

Notice also that Jesus says that God will cast into hell there in Matt.10:28 ad Luke 12:5.
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 6420767
United States
05/10/2013 10:22 PM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: The Truth about Hell - but the mainstream fundies can't accept it. and maybe you can't either
WOW

thank you Salt...thank you
david
User ID: 39253629
United States
05/11/2013 11:33 AM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: The Truth about Hell - but the mainstream fundies can't accept it. and maybe you can't either
dear Salt, though i'm not a christian, not asociated with any orthodox religion, i find your treatise at least logical. more carefully thought out than the typical "burn forever" dogma. respectfully, david
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 39664418
05/11/2013 11:54 AM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: The Truth about Hell - but the mainstream fundies can't accept it. and maybe you can't either
Proclaim NOT the Hell of the Churches of Men... In Their Words is No Mercy Found, Only the Makings of Satan

1/14/06 From God The Father - A Letter Given to Timothy, For All Those Who Have Ears to Hear


Thus says The Lord:
Listen, all you churches of men! Shall I, even I, torment My beloved, those who are continually tormented by he who is and has torment in his vesture?!... Satan is the tormentor!...

By your own mouths have you unknowingly called your God, satan! Repent therefore, and mend your ways and your doings! Forsake all your corrupt and evil teachings!... Become again a child of God, and learn to walk uprightly in Me, leading others to Love, by love, not fear.
My children, the second death is that grave, from which one shall not be raised nor awakened. For they have been cast out, abiding in outer darkness, forever separated from God and their part in life. These know nothing at all, returning to that from which they were formed. Beloved, THIS is the eternal state of My punishment, for those who have chosen death; for they have rejected The Gift, wherein is life everlasting. So then those under condemnation are dead; in no way are they part of the living, nor are they living in torment... Their inheritance is lost, they have been blotted out, broken vessels of dishonor received by the earth once again.



Therefore, stop blaspheming your God!
And have greater understanding of My Mercy, which endures forever...

For My Son did sleep in the lower parts of the earth, His tomb,
For three days and three nights...

By no means did He descend
Into the evils of man’s imaginings!



HE IS THE PURE LIGHT!...

Never has He had any part in darkness!
Behold, He shall destroy it utterly!

For HE IS RISEN!...

And all those, who believe in Him and walk in His ways,
Shall also rise and live, meeting Him in the air...

And forever shall they be with their Lord and their God,
Where all shall find mercy and love.




For more search under google:

Letters from God and His Christ


video links:
[link to www.youtube.com]
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 39589394
United States
05/11/2013 12:23 PM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: The Truth about Hell - but the mainstream fundies can't accept it. and maybe you can't either
"see, brother, this is what i am talking about. how do you interpret these passages?"

**************************************************


When the final man of evil comes, God will send a strong delusion upon the world. People who have spent a lifetime of rebellion against God will be turned over to their unbelief. The door of salvation will be closed.


At that point in time and after......as heard as it might seem to believe...........those friends and family who were never saved and born again of the Spirit......will turn on you.


Christ has warned us in advance.

News